lets talk '16

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:42 am

Chicat wrote: we are getting JJ so everyone can calm down now.

yes

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:48 am

az91 wrote:It seems like our 2016-17 season and the next few years, to some extent, depend on whether we can get the elusive signed LOI from JJ. If he signs, the Final Four is not out of the question next year and the future looks bright. If he does not sign, next year will be a mediocre at best season and the voices saying Miller has peaked are going to get louder.

Meaning your posts will get even gloomier? Nothing to be done about ridiculous "voices" (including yours?) that use one recruit to determine Miller's arc. Injuries happen. A healthy Ray Smith would mean three elite-level recruits next year: Trier, Lauri, Smith. That's not counting high level guys like Simon, PJC and Comanche. Toss in Allen and Ristic, and that's a lot of good recruiting, without landing one more guy (and he will bring in more).

That adds up to "mediocre at best?" Miller's been to the Elite Eight with less heralded talent. At Arizona and XU.

P.S. Also think it's fallacy to think we could've had Leaf and Lauri, or Rabb and Anderson. So when people bemoan those, they need to consider what we got instead. Didn't exactly come up empty.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:20 am

On the subject of recruiting, what exactly happened to Dorsey and him de-committing and going to Oregon? He committed to Miller before Trier, no? Did Dorsey leave because Trier was coming here? Or because of Allen & PJC?

Is it me, or does it just seem like Arizona has recruited some malcontents who can't stand competition (Jerrett, Leaf)? It doesn't seem like other programs have this problem (I'm sure they do).

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:38 am

Dorsey committed before the coaches decided if they really wanted him over a few others at his position.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:47 am

Chicat wrote:Dorsey committed before the coaches decided if they really wanted him over a few others at his position.

So we wanted Trier over Dorsey?

He certainly seems to be putting up good numbers at Oregon. Better than numbers than Trier (if that's the case).

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:13 pm

97cats wrote:
Chicat wrote: we are getting JJ so everyone can calm down now.
yes

Wow. That's about as close to being "where we want to be" as you can get.

I'd gladly trade a loss today for a JJ commitment in the spring. Actually, I'd trade a 4th place Pac finish this season for a JJ commitment.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:15 pm

carolinacat wrote:
Chicat wrote:Dorsey committed before the coaches decided if they really wanted him over a few others at his position.
So we wanted Trier over Dorsey?

He certainly seems to be putting up good numbers at Oregon. Better than numbers than Trier (if that's the case).

That has zero relevance to me this early in their freshman seasons. Let's let their college careers play out before we go anointing one better than the other because he gets 3 points more per game.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:39 pm

Chicat wrote:
carolinacat wrote:
Chicat wrote:Dorsey committed before the coaches decided if they really wanted him over a few others at his position.
So we wanted Trier over Dorsey?

He certainly seems to be putting up good numbers at Oregon. Better than numbers than Trier (if that's the case).
That has zero relevance to me this early in their freshman seasons. Let's let their college careers play out before we go anointing one better than the other because he gets 3 points more per game.

They don't seem to really be playing the same position anyway. Dorsey is more of a point guard as far (or combo guard) as far as I can tell. Trier much more like a true 2-guard or even a 3. Seems to me that we could have had room for both on the floor at the same time.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:11 pm

Josh J hope you saw it

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:24 pm

Thought the whole Dorsey thing was more about Simon and not Trier

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:26 pm

97cats wrote:
Chicat wrote: we are getting JJ so everyone can calm down now.
yes

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:48 pm

rgdeuce wrote:Thought the whole Dorsey thing was more about Simon and not Trier

I love Simon but I would take Dorsey over simon

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:51 pm

rgdeuce wrote:Thought the whole Dorsey thing was more about Simon and not Trier

I think it was a little Simon and a little PJC.

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:00 pm

97cats wrote:
Chicat wrote: we are getting JJ so everyone can calm down now.
yes

It'll be a mess if we don't considering we lose our entire front-court and really only have Smith (with Pitts for depth) at the 3.

We lose Tollefson, Zeus, and Anderson at the 4/5 and York at the 2. Even if Trier sticks around, that's a ton of production lost.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:13 am

It'll be ok. What we lose in production in the front court, we gain in quickness.

I think Miller realizes that the Big Countrys in the post only carry a team so far. Bringing in more Bramlett and Davison types and sticking to one Ristic should make our post game more adaptable and less lumbering.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:25 pm

I do remember the whispers : Simon doesn't want to play w Dorsey, he's a bit of a malcontent, a chucker, too much Mark Lyons in his game, his circle is demanding he play PG, etc.

Hindsight being what it is , I'd take Dorsey now and deal w the fallout. Sometimes he has blinders on and is focused solely on scoring, but so is Trier sometimes when guys are wide open. Dorsey is a great player and I've seen him make some nice passes. U never really know until u get a kid on campus and in practice but I'd love to see this team w Dorsey and Trier and York. Minutes would be tough to come by tho.

As it is I like our team and think a guy like Simon will be invaluable as an upperclassman, even if his O game is never fully polished.

In hindsight id also love to have Damian Lee as our main 3 man w Tolly backing him up. Kid is a monster.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:18 pm

Pretty sure everyone wanted Lee beforehand.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:49 pm

I know I'm just bitter.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:58 pm

PennZona20 wrote:I do remember the whispers : Simon doesn't want to play w Dorsey, he's a bit of a malcontent, a chucker, too much Mark Lyons in his game, his circle is demanding he play PG, etc.

Hindsight being what it is , I'd take Dorsey now and deal w the fallout. Sometimes he has blinders on and is focused solely on scoring, but so is Trier sometimes when guys are wide open. Dorsey is a great player and I've seen him make some nice passes. U never really know until u get a kid on campus and in practice but I'd love to see this team w Dorsey and Trier and York. Minutes would be tough to come by tho.

As it is I like our team and think a guy like Simon will be invaluable as an upperclassman, even if his O game is never fully polished.

In hindsight id also love to have Damian Lee as our main 3 man w Tolly backing him up. Kid is a monster.

Two graduate transfers in one year? Playing the same position?

And can I just say that Dorsey on this team would be a direct injection of pure hell?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:08 pm

Tollefsen wasn't coming if Lee was.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:12 pm

Tolly and Lee? No.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:47 pm

U wouldn't trade Tolly for Lee???

I actually like Tolly. He's sneaky good on the O glass and is real crafty from 16 feet in.

I guess it's pointless to cry over spilt milk w this team now. I still like this team and think , if God willing, we r healthy come March minus Smith, we can be dangerous.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:18 am

PennZona20 wrote:U wouldn't trade Tolly for Lee???

That's not a choice we or the coaches got to make.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:30 am

Lets give the Dorsey vs Simon thing some time, as in, talk to me when they are both juniors, before we make any judgments. There is a reason Miller wanted one over the other and if I recall, several big programs soured on Dorsey over time. That blond bombshell may be incredible the first few months, until she gives you syphilis and starts banging your friends. Then you start wishing you went after the quiet brunette who was still growing into her body.

And Miller wanted Trier over Briscoe too if I recall. Give that one time too.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:36 pm

PennZona20 wrote:U wouldn't trade Tolly for Lee???

I actually like Tolly. He's sneaky good on the O glass and is real crafty from 16 feet in.

I guess it's pointless to cry over spilt milk w this team now. I still like this team and think , if God willing, we r healthy come March minus Smith, we can be dangerous.

No. Saying we wouldn't get both. You mentioned Tolly as Lee's back-up.

That kind of thinking keeps occurring. Lee and Tolly. Leaf and Lauri. Rabb and Anderson. (Why would Rabb do that when he wants to play right away?)

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:38 pm

carolinacat wrote:
Chicat wrote:Dorsey committed before the coaches decided if they really wanted him over a few others at his position.
So we wanted Trier over Dorsey?

He certainly seems to be putting up good numbers at Oregon. Better than numbers than Trier (if that's the case).

I still want Trier every day and twice on Sunday...

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:56 pm

Sounds like our chances of landing JJackson are getting slimmer

http://www.hngn.com/articles/157754/201 ... a-lock.htm" target="_blank

By now many of the top recruits in the 2016 class have already decided where they will play their college basketball but Jackson is the best guy still available. Jackson is a consensus top three player in the class and is even ranked first by some outlets. The 6 foot-7 shooting guard is from Detroit, Michigan and has relationships with some of Michigan States commits so that may play a huge factor in his decision as he said "it would be real hard" to not commit to Michigan State.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:02 pm

dmjcat wrote:Sounds like our chances of landing JJackson are getting slimmer

http://www.hngn.com/articles/157754/201 ... a-lock.htm" target="_blank

By now many of the top recruits in the 2016 class have already decided where they will play their college basketball but Jackson is the best guy still available. Jackson is a consensus top three player in the class and is even ranked first by some outlets. The 6 foot-7 shooting guard is from Detroit, Michigan and has relationships with some of Michigan States commits so that may play a huge factor in his decision as he said "it would be real hard" to not commit to Michigan State.

Since I know the context of the source of that quote, I can tell you that Arizona's chances of landing Jackson are not getting slimmer. Similarly, when you break up with someone, it's advisable to tell her that it's really hard to do that, rather than telling her how excited you are about that bucktoothed cowgirl down at the Dew Drop Inn.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:13 pm

I'm liking our chances with JJ. 97 is confident, so we should be too.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:09 am

97cats wrote:
Chicat wrote: we are getting JJ so everyone can calm down now.
yes

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:27 am

Dude from the Kentucky site switched from us to MSU, and then Jerry Meyer switched from MSU to us. I'll take that trade.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:10 am

Puerco wrote:Dude from the Kentucky site switched from us to MSU, and then Jerry Meyer switched from MSU to us. I'll take that trade.

That's the problem with the composite. A lot of guessing based on info obtained and presented by other writers and fansites. All those switches really mean is that he's not going to UK.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:20 am

In the meantime, be glad that media personalities unfamiliar with this recruitment have cause to forecast Jackson to State. It serves to balance out guesses enough to sustain the protracted recruitment, which serves Jackson's circle for their own reasons and serves Izzo's reputation in his return to elite recruiting.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:42 am

Josh J's Mom. Interesting thoughts.

Josh Jackson’s mom wants to alter high-level recruiting
4:27 p.m. EST December 4, 2015

Jones says her son will take all five of his official visits, and he’s not expected to make a college decision until the spring. While Jones has been critical of the NCAA and the way it treats prospective student-athletes, she quickly shot down any chance of Jackson skipping college altogether for a season overseas before he heads off to the NBA.

“I’ve read that crap,” she says of the overseas rumors. “Josh wants to go to college, so Josh will be on a college campus. He’s definitely going to do that.

“If he entertained (going overseas), I would definitely entertain it. Because that’s how much I think the NCAA is messed up. … But my kid is going to college.”

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle ... /76797766/" target="_blank

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:01 am

“I never let him do anything wrong. I always corrected him,” she said. “And I always stressed defense. When I taught Josh, I taught him how to dribble and defend. That’s all we really worked on. And then, some of the other stuff, he picked up on his own.

“If a kid knows how to dribble, everything else comes easy. And if you can play defense, more likely than not, you will be on the court. It starts with defense.”

Sounds like Miller should give her a coaching gig. After Josh graduates, of course!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:39 am

"I've read that crap."

I like his mom's style.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:42 pm

Longhorned wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Sounds like our chances of landing JJackson are getting slimmer

http://www.hngn.com/articles/157754/201 ... a-lock.htm" target="_blank

By now many of the top recruits in the 2016 class have already decided where they will play their college basketball but Jackson is the best guy still available. Jackson is a consensus top three player in the class and is even ranked first by some outlets. The 6 foot-7 shooting guard is from Detroit, Michigan and has relationships with some of Michigan States commits so that may play a huge factor in his decision as he said "it would be real hard" to not commit to Michigan State.
Since I know the context of the source of that quote, I can tell you that Arizona's chances of landing Jackson are not getting slimmer. Similarly, when you break up with someone, it's advisable to tell her that it's really hard to do that, rather than telling her how excited you are about that bucktoothed cowgirl down at the Dew Drop Inn.

If he chooses Sparty, we're not going to "just be friends."

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:46 am

UNLV and UCLA still in it?? hmmm some doubts about that

USA TODAY High School Sports December 6, 2015

Still uncommitted, Jackson is deciding between Kansas, Arizona, Michigan State, UNLV and UCLA.

He may be a Michigan native who holds the Spartans dear, but he’s in no hurry to make a decision on where he wants to continue his career. He noted that Bridges has been urging him to go to Michigan State, which would take the top recruiting class that Tom Izzo has ever signed to a level beyond.

“I wish I could just make this decision tomorrow, but I’m still not sure where I want to go and I know this is one of the most important decisions I ever make in my life, so I want to make sure I don’t have any regrets about it,” he said.

For Jackson, while colleges await his declaration, it’s all about the team.

“(My goals are) to win as many games as possible,” he said, “and get better as we do it.”

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/josh-jackso ... lific-prep" target="_blank

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:48 am

It's AZ or MSU.

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:57 am

rgdeuce wrote:Thought the whole Dorsey thing was more about Simon and not Trier

So did I!!!

I thought it was Trier or Briscoe.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:45 am

Any updates on signing this kid?

Andrew Jones's Crystal Ball Predictions

http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/ ... redictions" target="_blank

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:22 am

HiCat wrote:Any updates on signing this kid?

Andrew Jones's Crystal Ball Predictions

http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/ ... redictions" target="_blank

If Arizona wants to land him they're going to have to get him back on campus before he makes his decision I imagine. He's visiting Texas this weekend and it's much easier for them to go see him and put the press on him than it is for us at this point. Rumor is he may make his decision by the end of this month.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:39 am

Thanks for the update. Maybe his Texas visit ends with an big L??

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:15 am

HiCat wrote:Thanks for the update. Maybe his Texas visit ends with an big L??

If he is committing in December I don't see how it'll be to anywhere else other than Texas, unless Arizona can convince him to visit for our UNLV game.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:38 am

Don't underestimate Shaka's pull in Austin. He's a great coach, and guys love playing for him. Not sure we land AJ.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:17 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Don't underestimate Shaka's pull in Austin. He's a great coach, and guys love playing for him. Not sure we land AJ.

And it looks like UT is about to upset UNC, or at the least, play one hell of a home game against them

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:41 pm

Damn, HUGE upset win and Shaka's first signature victory today during Jones's visit

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:51 pm

I don't think we were getting Jones out of Texas anyways. I think I read that his dad has health issues, probably wants to stay close to home.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:37 pm

My understanding is that Jones's dad really likes Arizona. But he is in a wheelchair and travel is a big challenge for him. The fact that he made it out to Tucson for the visit was a really big deal.

A December decision would favor Arizona but the fact that he has no more visits to Arizona could mean he's moving on faster than we'd hoped. Even if he had committed to Arizona on his visit in late summer, I wouldn't have been shocked if he'd decomit later.

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:44 am

Beachcat97 wrote:It's AZ or MSU.

Hmmm! His buddies are pulling him to MSU, but he got close to Miller on the USA team and likes him as a person and a coach.

If you were 2 or 3 years away from millions of dollars and a rock star lifestyle, which would you pick?

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