Bear Down Wildcats

Chicat wrote:

EVCat wrote:

Chicat wrote:

EVCat wrote:I am not going to accept that because I, along with almost everyone, could see there was shady stuff going on in college basketball, we were all horrible people for watching.

Uh, WTF??

We weren't watching fucking dog fights. No one was abused. These kids got opportunities to get top notch instruction and training, a free education, and in at least some cases some money to help themselves and their families.

Please tell me why I should think of myself as a horrible person. This should be good...

Umm..i don't. Maybe read it again.

I was called a hypocrite for "knowing" And still watching and calling out other teams.

I am guessing you haven't read any of my posts

Posts are coming fast and furious .... which is why I'm guessing you missed my follow up. Your phrasing isn't at all clear.

Olsondogg wrote:

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Even I appreciate the info from 97cats...

this thread now truly has it ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do what I can in my own special way.

You all are welcome. I tried to quit this fucking place. Fail

Olsondogg wrote:Explain T-Ferg and Josh Jackson...those both baffle me for different reasons.

NYCat wrote:Who tipped off Sean, is what I want to know

Cal?

EVCat wrote:

Chicat wrote:

EVCat wrote:

Chicat wrote:

EVCat wrote:I am not going to accept that because I, along with almost everyone, could see there was shady stuff going on in college basketball, we were all horrible people for watching.

Uh, WTF??

We weren't watching fucking dog fights. No one was abused. These kids got opportunities to get top notch instruction and training, a free education, and in at least some cases some money to help themselves and their families.

Please tell me why I should think of myself as a horrible person. This should be good...

Umm..i don't. Maybe read it again.

I was called a hypocrite for "knowing" And still watching and calling out other teams.

I am guessing you haven't read any of my posts

Posts are coming fast and furious .... which is why I'm guessing you missed my follow up. Your phrasing isn't at all clear.

Yup.

It is a bit wonky, but I said that i refuse to accept that just because we knew there was shady stuff and still watched, we are evil. I wrote some novels that say the polyannas who act like they didn't know there were questionable practices in college basketball, and this changes everything, were either ignorant or are overstating their disgust, and I don't think any of them are ignorant. So I was told I am a hypocrite for watching, knowing how the sausage was made, and ever saying other programs were dirty. Which I reject, because there is a difference between the coaching staff participating, and the boosters and shoe companies doing what they do behind the scenes to take care of families and coaches/handlers. I do not accept that those of us who knew what was happening are evil for watching and enjoying the game and still saying other programs are dirty.

I was getting killed by the supermoralists so that is why i was surprised you thought that was what i was saying. The words are correct in my statement if you read it again, but the tense is wonky. Your conclusion would just be a total 180 from my previous posts, and really my personality, whatever that may be on this board. I am, by nature, more empathetic and open minded than strict and hardline. So I was surprised by your response.

And, yeah...i missed your next response. I was sure I looked first, but I guess not.

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Explain T-Ferg and Josh Jackson...those both baffle me for different reasons.

T-Ferg never woulda never qualified, like Brandon Jennings -- Jackson just chose Kansas -- both AZ and KU offered and had set up the desired amount.

even with this info, paying the amount didn't guarantee the player, there is still other factors that make it attractive to the player, so when you have Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, UCLA all ponied up for a player it then becomes the intangibles that everyone is familiar with, playing time, fit, style, etc.

KU just had what Jackson's mom wanted more.

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:Who tipped off Sean, is what I want to know

Cal?

the FBI

NYCat wrote:So we didn't offer TFerg anything or Arizona did on condition he qualifies

UofAlum05 wrote:

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Explain T-Ferg and Josh Jackson...those both baffle me for different reasons.

T-Ferg never woulda never qualified, like Brandon Jennings -- Jackson just chose Kansas -- both AZ and KU offered and had set up the desired amount.

even with this info, paying the amount didn't guarantee the player, there is still other factors that make it attractive to the player, so when you have Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, UCLA all ponied up for a player it then becomes the intangibles that everyone is familiar with, playing time, fit, style, etc.

KU just had what Jackson's mom wanted more.

Our boy told it to me this way a few years ago. The guys that are considered great recruiters are legitimately great recruiters. Every school is offering the same dollar amounts. So they still have to be great recruiters to convince guys to choose their school and the same dollar amount the others are offering.

NYCat wrote:

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:Who tipped off Sean, is what I want to know

Cal?

the FBI

Did he, did he tell book or was book that fucking stupid

UofAlum05 wrote:

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Explain T-Ferg and Josh Jackson...those both baffle me for different reasons.

T-Ferg never woulda never qualified, like Brandon Jennings -- Jackson just chose Kansas -- both AZ and KU offered and had set up the desired amount.

even with this info, paying the amount didn't guarantee the player, there is still other factors that make it attractive to the player, so when you have Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, UCLA all ponied up for a player it then becomes the intangibles that everyone is familiar with, playing time, fit, style, etc.

KU just had what Jackson's mom wanted more.

Our boy told it to me this way a few years ago. The guys that are considered great recruiters are legitimately great recruiters. Every school is offering the same dollar amounts. So they still have to be great recruiters to convince guys to choose their school and the same dollar amount the others are offering.

UofAlum05 wrote:As a Top-10 program and school that wants to compete for Final Fours and Titles there are only 2 spots we could be sitting in right now:

A) We could be one of the 100+ schools not named in the report yesterday that participate in this type of stuff daily. We could have kept our vaunted 2017-18 team in tact and reeled in a recruiting class for the ages for 2018-19. Our coaches could all breath a little sigh of relief, agree internally to clean it up, and reform with the NCAA (with all the other schools who weren't caught). Sure our name would come up in a few documents and there would be suspicions but hey we were one of 100 schools that might be guilty in someway but we are going to clean it up.

-Or-

B) Our assistant coach who everyone with any sort of insight into UofA has been begging Miller to fire for years takes the entire program down. He decides to meet up with a new set of guys with money to offer, team up with our nemesis Adidas who has screwed us in numerous recruiting battles, and pocket $5k for himself. He gets caught on tape. So instead of 1 of the 100 schools who does this crap without getting name he now provides recorded proof of our pay for play. We get nailed in the National press, our rivals (who cheat their asses off too) dance on our grave, and we lose any shot of a normal 2017--18 season and are wondering if we'll have enough players to field a team the next season.

97cats wrote:Miller intentionally missed on Bowen and Walker cause at that time he was already contacted by the FBI and knew the prob and watch was on, he wanted to try and show that Arizona doesn't pay for its players and subsequently backed off and let the other programs (Miami and Louisville) pay and land their guy.

CalStateTempe wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Even I appreciate the info from 97cats...

this thread now truly has it ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do what I can in my own special way.

You all are welcome. I tried to quit this fucking place. Fail

I'm glad your back Odogg, I learn so much about a program I love from you and many others here. Sorry for letting my emotions get the best of me during the Spain incident; it is one of my faults around here, I know.

NYCat wrote:

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:Who tipped off Sean, is what I want to know

Cal?

the FBI

Did he, did he tell book or was book that fucking stupid

Pop McKale wrote:

97cats wrote:Miller intentionally missed on Bowen and Walker cause at that time he was already contacted by the FBI and knew the prob and watch was on, he wanted to try and show that Arizona doesn't pay for its players and subsequently backed off and let the other programs (Miami and Louisville) pay and land their guy.

Wow, this makes it sound like Miller let Book hang himself. Quinerly was well after Bowen and Walker.

97cats wrote:

Pop McKale wrote:

97cats wrote:Miller intentionally missed on Bowen and Walker cause at that time he was already contacted by the FBI and knew the prob and watch was on, he wanted to try and show that Arizona doesn't pay for its players and subsequently backed off and let the other programs (Miami and Louisville) pay and land their guy.

Wow, this makes it sound like Miller let Book hang himself. Quinerly was well after Bowen and Walker.

jinx

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

UofAlum05 wrote:

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Explain T-Ferg and Josh Jackson...those both baffle me for different reasons.

T-Ferg never woulda never qualified, like Brandon Jennings -- Jackson just chose Kansas -- both AZ and KU offered and had set up the desired amount.

even with this info, paying the amount didn't guarantee the player, there is still other factors that make it attractive to the player, so when you have Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, UCLA all ponied up for a player it then becomes the intangibles that everyone is familiar with, playing time, fit, style, etc.

KU just had what Jackson's mom wanted more.

Our boy told it to me this way a few years ago. The guys that are considered great recruiters are legitimately great recruiters. Every school is offering the same dollar amounts. So they still have to be great recruiters to convince guys to choose their school and the same dollar amount the others are offering.

I 100% agree here.

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:Who tipped off Sean, is what I want to know

Cal?

the FBI

Did he, did he tell book or was book that fucking stupid

would you believe me if I told you he let him hang himself, cause he was holding the position that he didn't know what Book was doing with the scummy agents and idiot investors till he was notified by the FBI -- which I 100% believe.

such is life

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:Who tipped off Sean, is what I want to know

Cal?

the FBI

Did he, did he tell book or was book that fucking stupid

would you believe me if I told you he let him hang himself, cause he was holding the position that he didn't know what Book was doing with the scummy agents and idiot investors till he was notified by the FBI -- which I 100% believe.

such is life

Pop McKale wrote:

97cats wrote:

Pop McKale wrote:

97cats wrote:Miller intentionally missed on Bowen and Walker cause at that time he was already contacted by the FBI and knew the prob and watch was on, he wanted to try and show that Arizona doesn't pay for its players and subsequently backed off and let the other programs (Miami and Louisville) pay and land their guy.

Wow, this makes it sound like Miller let Book hang himself. Quinerly was well after Bowen and Walker.

jinx

Yup. Holy smokes.

Longhorned wrote:

Chicat wrote:

EVCat wrote:

Chicat wrote:

EVCat wrote:I am not going to accept that because I, along with almost everyone, could see there was shady stuff going on in college basketball, we were all horrible people for watching.

Uh, WTF??

We weren't watching fucking dog fights. No one was abused. These kids got opportunities to get top notch instruction and training, a free education, and in at least some cases some money to help themselves and their families.

Please tell me why I should think of myself as a horrible person. This should be good...

Umm..i don't. Maybe read it again.

I was called a hypocrite for "knowing" And still watching and calling out other teams.

I am guessing you haven't read any of my posts

Posts are coming fast and furious .... which is why I'm guessing you missed my follow up. Your phrasing isn't at all clear.

I still don't understand what you mean, EVCat. While I do think I'm a horrible person, it seems you think you and everyone else here is as well. Are you missing some punctuation and lettering, or is that what you mean?

NYCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

UofAlum05 wrote:

97cats wrote:
T-Ferg never woulda never qualified, like Brandon Jennings -- Jackson just chose Kansas -- both AZ and KU offered and had set up the desired amount.

even with this info, paying the amount didn't guarantee the player, there is still other factors that make it attractive to the player, so when you have Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, UCLA all ponied up for a player it then becomes the intangibles that everyone is familiar with, playing time, fit, style, etc.

KU just had what Jackson's mom wanted more.

Our boy told it to me this way a few years ago. The guys that are considered great recruiters are legitimately great recruiters. Every school is offering the same dollar amounts. So they still have to be great recruiters to convince guys to choose their school and the same dollar amount the others are offering.

I 100% agree here.

It's like Lance & Bonds, almost everyone did it (level playing field) and yet they were still head and shoulders and shrunken testicles ahead of everyone else

Olsondogg wrote:Could it be that book forgot to multiply by 10?

Olsondogg wrote:Could it be that book forgot to multiply by 10?

EVCat wrote:

Umm..i don't. Maybe read it again.

I was called a hypocrite for "knowing" And still watching and calling out other teams.

I am guessing you haven't read any of my posts
Posts are coming fast and furious .... which is why I'm guessing you missed my follow up. Your phrasing isn't at all clear.

Longhorned wrote:I still don't understand what you mean, EVCat. While I do think I'm a horrible person, it seems you think you and everyone else here is as well. Are you missing some punctuation and lettering, or is that what you mean?

EVcat wrote:Perhaps I should lose my job as a writer. I don't see it being that hard to grasp, but maybe that is because I wrote it.

I refuse to accept (to say it is correct) that, (comma) because I (me) and almost everyone else (almost everyone else) , could see there was shady stuff going in in basketball (we knew things were shady...aau, etc), we (almost everyone and me) were horrible people for watching anyway (this is what i refuse to accept...that we were horrible for still watching while knowing shady things happened).

It is awkward...part of typing on a phone...but the words are correct.

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Could it be that book forgot to multiply by 10?

or that by that time Miller was already assisting the FEDS and the standard wasn't available -- also, Quin wasn't a 150k guy...book did this all on his own, and Miller let him.

UofAlum05 wrote:True/False: Coach K was a hold out in this whole Pay for Play with one and done/AAU players originally. But it was our beat down of them in 2011 that made him realize he needed to talent was more important than 4-year development guys. Now Duke is worse than anyone.

TheGreatCatsby wrote:97 so roughly speaking when (month/year) did Sean you think get contacted by the FBI?

I could be off on my timeline, but like 1-2 years ago Sean had a major health change and went from heavy to skinny, sweated alot, seemed off...maybe FBI contacted him around then? Would explain some things, but could be totally coincidental.

Olsondogg wrote:
Was a joke based on the stupidity of that sum...

UofAlum05 wrote:True/False: Coach K was a hold out in this whole Pay for Play with one and done/AAU players originally. But it was our beat down of them in 2011 that made him realize he needed to talent was more important than 4-year development guys. Now Duke is worse than anyone.

97cats wrote:

TheGreatCatsby wrote:97 so roughly speaking when (month/year) did Sean you think get contacted by the FBI?

I could be off on my timeline, but like 1-2 years ago Sean had a major health change and went from heavy to skinny, sweated alot, seemed off...maybe FBI contacted him around then? Would explain some things, but could be totally coincidental.

Book got surveillance on him in March, I'm not sure exactly when but it was post the meeting in NY where Richarsdson was first caught on audio agreeing to , yes, 5k a month,

lmmfao

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:Who tipped off Sean, is what I want to know

Cal?

the FBI

Did he, did he tell book or was book that fucking stupid

would you believe me if I told you he let him hang himself, cause he was holding the position that he didn't know what Book was doing with the scummy agents and idiot investors till he was notified by the FBI -- which I 100% believe.

such is life

LBdCactus wrote:

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:

97cats wrote:

NYCat wrote:Who tipped off Sean, is what I want to know

Cal?

the FBI

Did he, did he tell book or was book that fucking stupid

would you believe me if I told you he let him hang himself, cause he was holding the position that he didn't know what Book was doing with the scummy agents and idiot investors till he was notified by the FBI -- which I 100% believe.

such is life

Good evening.

So wait... Are you saying the FBI told Miller they were investigating Book? Did I read something wrong? Because that definitely doesn't sound right. Why would they discuss an ongoing investigation with someone who at that point may even turn out to be an accomplice once the full investigation is over, especially considering that Book only comes into play this past spring. Doesn't seem like enough time to clear anyone associated with the Program.

Or maybe I'm just spinning all of this in my head too much.

UofAlum05 wrote:True/False: Coach K was a hold out in this whole Pay for Play with one and done/AAU players originally. But it was our beat down of them in 2011 that made him realize he needed to have start talent and that was more important than 4-year development guys. Now Duke is worse than anyone.