Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:34 pm
What's a tough pill is that we really stand to gain nothing by winning tonight and tomorrow. We can't improve our seed, and we can't become the top overall seed. I guess it's good for our confidence to win two more games? More reps for Bal?
Two more opportunities for a freak injury
It's hard to get all bent out of shape. Every team in the country has to play in a league tourney, so it's not like we're being disadvantaged.
But yeah, given the laughably low stakes of the conference tourneys, these games are just hard to watch at times.
Conference Tourneys only for non-Power 5 leagues to leave that Cinderella opportunity alive. If you are a power 5 bubble team, tough shit. Should have played better in the regular season.
RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:59 amI wouldn't mind Arizona losing in the conf tournament, almost every past eventual champion losses there (early too).
yes maybe perhaps but still no for me
Can I convince you that it's best we lose there in the semifinals or something
2021 Baylor - lost in Semis
2019 Virginia - lost in semis
2018 Villanova - won conf tournament
2017 North Carolina - lost in semis
2016 Villanova - lost in final
2015 Duke - lost in Semis
2014 UConn - lost in final
2013 Louisville - won conf tournament
2012 Kentucky - lost in final
2011 UConn - won conf tournament
2010 Duke - won conf tournament
2009 north Carolina - lost in semis
Usually it's best to lose in conf tournament because it's really hard to win like 12-15+ games in a row if you haven't lost before the tournament. If you go into the tournament winning say 4+ in a row plus 3+ in the conf tournament and then 6 in the NCAA tournament, that's really hard to do. It usually means you're bound for a stinker of a game and if it happens in the tournament, well you're season is over
Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:30 am
Another thought: if Gonzaga does lose, and win out, is there any chance Tommy pumps the brakes a little in the Pac tourney, maybe resting our guys who've had injuries (Tubelis, Kriisa)? Or is it pedal to the metal from here on out?
Hell yeah we should lose there, pretty much every recent Natty champ has lost in the conference tournament.
Arizona is currently on a 9 game win streak.... The last several national champions win streaks to win the 'chip...
Really in modern college basketball ('12 is the start of this era imo), championship teams get their loss out of the way in the conference tournament
It isn't worth the extreme energy exhausted there to get something not as important when they're already likely have the 1 seed on lock
Perfect time to lose and rest up
Got the #1 seed already locked up
Welp. Still a shot if we're coinciding with past champions history if we lose tonight.
Basically winning a championship after winning a conference championship has happened twice in the past 10 years. The era of one and done.
Arizona currently has won 5 in a row, tonight could be 6. Winning it all would require 12 in a row. Again a winning streak of 6+ games to finish the season is something that has only happened twice in the one and done era/past 10 years.
Arizona can be the third team to do it (good enough to do it imo). A loss wouldn't hurt though, got the excuse of having an injured starter. But by not losing yesterday, you don't get the rest anyway so might as well win it?
In a vacuum yes, but it's really hard to finish off the season winning 10+ in a row (winning it all would require 12).
Consider how Arizona had won 9 in a row before going to Colorado. You don't want that stinker to come at the end of the season, the game where absolutely everything goes wrong, everyone is cold, the energy/intensity isn't there etc.
Getting a loss out of the way just before and being laser focused after has clearly been beneficial to the overwhelming majority of recent champs.
No reason not to spread out PT * tonight and to try different sets/tactics and to clean up previous weak spots. Treat this as a scrimmage with St. Mary's that comes at the end of the year instead of the beginning.
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RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:29 pm
In a vacuum yes, but it's really hard to finish off the season winning 10+ in a row (winning it all would require 12).
Consider how Arizona had won 9 in a row before going to Colorado. You don't want that stinker to come at the end of the season, the game where absolutely everything goes wrong, everyone is cold, the energy/intensity isn't there etc.
Getting a loss out of the way just before and being laser focused after has clearly been beneficial to the overwhelming majority of recent champs.
Exactly. Of course this game tonight means a lot to our guys, and maybe they'll surprise me and play their best game of the Pac tourney tonight. But the reality is that this game means NOTHING for our seeding and has no bearing on what happens next week.
RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:29 pm
In a vacuum yes, but it's really hard to finish off the season winning 10+ in a row (winning it all would require 12).
Consider how Arizona had won 9 in a row before going to Colorado. You don't want that stinker to come at the end of the season, the game where absolutely everything goes wrong, everyone is cold, the energy/intensity isn't there etc.
Getting a loss out of the way just before and being laser focused after has clearly been beneficial to the overwhelming majority of recent champs.
Exactly. Of course this game tonight means a lot to our guys, and maybe they'll surprise me and play their best game of the Pac tourney tonight. But the reality is that this game means NOTHING for our seeding and has no bearing on what happens next week.
Yada, yada, yada…
BTFD, and play to win!!!!
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97cats wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:46 pm
if Arizona were to lose to UCLA it would effect region for sure, but not seed
I don't think so. I think we are 99% San Antonio regardless. I think Kansas is the only team that can pass us on the one line, and even if they do, they would send them to Chicago.
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Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm
Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds
Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.
I think Purdue would have a better chance than Duke... but I don't think either of them have the resume
The NCAA wants eyes and make TV partners happy. With Baylor, auburn, and Kentucky losing it gives the committee justification for duke to move to the last #1. Though I don’t agree with it.
They will milk the coach K swan song and hope Duke is around for a long time
Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm
Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds
Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.
I think Purdue would have a better chance than Duke... but I don't think either of them have the resume
The NCAA wants eyes and make TV partners happy. With Baylor, auburn, and Kentucky losing it gives the committee justification for duke to move to the last #1. Though I don’t agree with it.
They will milk the coach K swan song and hope Duke is around for a long time
Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm
Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds
Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.
I think Purdue would have a better chance than Duke... but I don't think either of them have the resume
The NCAA wants eyes and make TV partners happy. With Baylor, auburn, and Kentucky losing it gives the committee justification for duke to move to the last #1. Though I don’t agree with it.
They will milk the coach K swan song and hope Duke is around for a long time
Please disregard…
They'll have to milk him from the 2 or three line. Can't move up to a 1 seed when you lose to va tech to give them enough juice to get in to the tourney. K is getting generous as he ages.
Arizona State might have the most surprisingly anemic history in men's basketball of any program that you might think is better than it is.
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Anyone who watched tonight's game would agree we should be the #1 overall seed.
I know we won't get it, but we absolutely are the best team in the country.
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scumdevils86 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm
Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1
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Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:04 pm
An Arizona #1 seed is still not locked up- Dmjcat
He still is waiting for that Utah loss to prove 97 wrong.
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scumdevils86 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm
Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1
Had we lost tonight, it would've been pretty easy to call the Zags the top overall seed. Now we have two wins over the same team that's Gonzaga's best win of the year. So yeah, I'm not real clear on why we shouldn't be the #1 overall seed.
Gonzaga also arguably lost their hardest road game of the year @St. Mary's, whereas we won @Illinois.
Last time the Cats won an Elite 8 game, it was played in San Antonio. Remember when they showed Kerr and Elliot showing up to the arena during the game? I don't mind if they get the #1 in the South. Cats have not done so well when they play in California and the Elite 8.
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scumdevils86 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm
Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1
Had we lost tonight, it would've been pretty easy to call the Zags the top overall seed. Now we have two wins over the same team that's Gonzaga's best win of the year. So yeah, I'm not real clear on why we shouldn't be the #1 overall seed.
Gonzaga also arguably lost their hardest road game of the year @St. Mary's, whereas we won @Illinois.
We had our chance when the Zags lost to St. Mary's. But the Cats lost to Colorado. The Zags held serve after that and I don't have a problem with them being the top overall seed.
scumdevils86 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm
Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1
Had we lost tonight, it would've been pretty easy to call the Zags the top overall seed. Now we have two wins over the same team that's Gonzaga's best win of the year. So yeah, I'm not real clear on why we shouldn't be the #1 overall seed.
Gonzaga also arguably lost their hardest road game of the year @St. Mary's, whereas we won @Illinois.
We had our chance when the Zags lost to St. Mary's. But the Cats lost to Colorado. The Zags held serve after that and I don't have a problem with them being the top overall seed.
I don't either. Just gimme the South region without Illinois, Baylor or Texas Tech, and we're all good. Seems likely that Tennessee could be the 3 in our region.
Please give us Auburn as the 2 seed, Duke as the 3, and Providence as the 4. That would make me ever so happy.
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Arizona is so fucking good that I've lost a lot interest in the bracket.
Anybody can beat anybody, and nobody has a good chance to reach the Final Four, but I have no concerns about any match-up.
I don't buy for a second that I should be concerned with certain opponents' strengths or playing style. This team will figure out anything by about halfway into the second half.
My biggest concern is about match-ups. It's about needing to keep Kerr on the floor when he's limited by the injury. But I think my concern is more about getting Kadeem'd a la Wichita State, which is more about my own baggage than reality. When Pelle is on the floor with Terry, Kier, and Benn, this team probably has too many ball handlers on the floor for that to work.
UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:24 am
I hope the fans of the other top teams are saying "I don't want Arizona in our bracket."
I’ve heard that from an Illinois fan, a Wisconsin fan, an Iowa State fan, and a Duke fan.
It feels great.
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