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That sucks. Get well soon.

WTF?

Did this just happen

Oh my, heart goes out to the kid

That is just unreal. Absolutely brutal for the team and especially the kid.

Fuck

Get well Ray. We'll need you next year.

Speechless

Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

Slow down

Alieberman wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

Slow down

Nothing I said warrants a slow down. He was the most likely one and done and now his basketball career is more than likely over...so slow down on what? makes absolutely no sense to think he'll ever play a minute here.

Doubt he goes pro now, either way this really sucks.

He will still be able to play basketball man. His athleticism may never be the same, but all that does is makes him a face up 4 instead of a 3.

You are seriously THE most pessimistic person I have ever encountered.

And I have a 97 year old Jewish grandmother.

ChooChooCat wrote:He will still be able to play basketball man. His athleticism may never be the same, but all that does is makes him a face up 4 instead of a 3.

In rec leagues? Not in major college basketball.

Alieberman wrote:You are seriously THE most pessimistic person I have ever encountered.

And I have a 97 year old Jewish grandmother.

Do you have some inside info on a medical miracle or treatment that he's getting?

ASUHATER! wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:He will still be able to play basketball man. His athleticism may never be the same, but all that does is makes him a face up 4 instead of a 3.

In rec leagues? Not in major college basketball.

If Jawaan McClellan who had absolutely no cartilage in his knee was able to play major college basketball then so would Ray Smith at a position where lateral and knee movement isn't as required as his previous one. You're being god damn ridiculous.

This isn't a pitcher having tommy John surgery in the 90s.

How could luck be this bad? All you can hope is he'll recover just as well this time as last. That's likely, as is his return next year, but I feel for the kid.

Come on Hater, way to soon to say that

Nuts.

The number of NBA players who have had multiple knee surgeries may very well be in the triple digits. This isn't a career ender. It hurts. It's a setback. But if he has the skills many say, with his height, add some smarts and a few years of good coaching, and he'll be on the radar. He'll need to prove health. That's the trick, but I'd be more concerned about meniscus or cartilage.

It does feel like McClellan. But that story had so much more than just injury.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Blake Griffin is multiple knee injuries before he ever played a minute in the League.

Is there a way to "Ignore" users here. I've had enough of this douchebag ASUhater's posts

Wow. Devastating for the kid and the team.

Especially after hearing how well he was doing in practice.

JMarkJohns wrote:The number of NBA players who have had multiple knee surgeries may very well be in the triple digits. This isn't a career ender. It hurts. It's a setback. But if he has the skills many say, with his height, add some smarts and a few years of good coaching, and he'll be on the radar. He'll need to prove health. That's the trick, but I'd be more concerned about meniscus or cartilage.

It does feel like McClellan. But that story had so much more than just injury.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Blake Griffin is multiple knee injuries before he ever played a minute in the League.

Do you think he'd have the athleticism to be a 3 man still after two ACL tears or do you think a position change is in his future?

JMarkJohns wrote:The number of NBA players who have had multiple knee surgeries may very well be in the triple digits. This isn't a career ender. It hurts. It's a setback. But if he has the skills many say, with his height, add some smarts and a few years of good coaching, and he'll be on the radar. He'll need to prove health. That's the trick, but I'd be more concerned about meniscus or cartilage.

It does feel like McClellan. But that story had so much more than just injury.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Blake Griffin is multiple knee injuries before he ever played a minute in the League.

Are you saying you have some inside info on a medical miracle or treatment that he's getting?

Alieberman wrote:

JMarkJohns wrote:The number of NBA players who have had multiple knee surgeries may very well be in the triple digits. This isn't a career ender. It hurts. It's a setback. But if he has the skills many say, with his height, add some smarts and a few years of good coaching, and he'll be on the radar. He'll need to prove health. That's the trick, but I'd be more concerned about meniscus or cartilage.

It does feel like McClellan. But that story had so much more than just injury.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Blake Griffin is multiple knee injuries before he ever played a minute in the League.

Are you saying you have some inside info on a medical miracle or treatment that he's getting?

I have a 97 year old Buick La Sabre.

Huge bummer. Really feel for the kid.

What an up and down offseason this year, damn. Sucks for the kid. Heard he was a sleeper for the 2016 draft too. Hopefully he comes back close to 100% next year and gives us a good year or two and is a lotto pick.

I have no inside information. But the kid was heralded as an elite athlete as recently as last week after one injury. I don't think something as routine as an ACL will end that. It's not the same knee. I have to think that matters. As of now, it's not requiring microfractures. It's not a meniscus that degenerate and eventually is destroyed. I've seen enough athletes not just survive this but thrive in spite that I'm depressed for the kid missing a second straight year of basketball, but I'm not fretting that his career is gone.

As for positional determinations, I have no idea until I see him play. Good news is the NBA is smaller and more versatile, so I think even if he's a 3/4 tweener, he'll have a place, especially if he becomes a knockdown shooter.

isn't it the other knee? Medical reality these days is that a surgically repaired ACL is stronger than the one you are born with. The key factor is whether it was a clean tear or took meniscus/other ligaments with it. If it is a clean tear of the other knee, he will likely have a full recovery.

It is a shit load of work and sucks and I really feel for the kid. But without knowing that there was further knee damage, it is way out there to think his recovery is anything but 100%. And even if there is some other damage, as long as it is minor, he will be back equal to the effort he puts into it. And he knows what it takes.

But it is heartbreaking.. so much work ahead

Feel bad for Ray, that kid was gonna have a great year.

I love all the experts on here.

dcZONAfan wrote:Is there a way to "Ignore" users here. I've had enough of this douchebag ASUhater's posts

Click on User Control Panel
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Click on "Manage Foes"
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EVCat wrote:isn't it the other knee? Medical reality these days is that a surgically repaired ACL is stronger than the one you are born with. The key factor is whether it was a clean tear or took meniscus/other ligaments with it. If it is a clean tear of the other knee, he will likely have a full recovery.

It is a shit load of work and sucks and I really feel for the kid. But without knowing that there was further knee damage, it is way out there to think his recovery is anything but 100%. And even if there is some other damage, as long as it is minor, he will be back equal to the effort he puts into it. And he knows what it takes.

But it is heartbreaking.. so much work ahead

I have read it is the other knee, and that there is also a tear on the mcl...

ASUHATER! wrote:

Alieberman wrote:You are seriously THE most pessimistic person I have ever encountered.

And I have a 97 year old Jewish grandmother.

Do you have some inside info on a medical miracle or treatment that he's getting?

Do you?

The Interwebz are filled with people who are completely full of $hit. But you have a unique ability to represent opinions very confidently while you talk out of your ass.

Olsondogg pretty much nailed it immediately above... and that comes after speaking tonight for about 10-15 minutes with a friend of mine who is an orthopedic surgeon. Apparently, currently about 60-70% of athletes who suffer from a torn ACL return to 100%... That is much improved from several years ago. Even if you treat this as a purely statistical problem (which in this case I am not sure is appropriate), that would suggest the likelihood of his return to 100% at 36-49%.

It depends on the specific nature of the injury, and also his resolve in battling back from this after having just gone through the exact same thing, that isn't easy for even the most tough minded and determined adult, let alone a kid of 18 years old.

Do you have a rain cloud that hovers over your head even when indoors?

Olsondogg wrote:

EVCat wrote:isn't it the other knee? Medical reality these days is that a surgically repaired ACL is stronger than the one you are born with. The key factor is whether it was a clean tear or took meniscus/other ligaments with it. If it is a clean tear of the other knee, he will likely have a full recovery.

It is a shit load of work and sucks and I really feel for the kid. But without knowing that there was further knee damage, it is way out there to think his recovery is anything but 100%. And even if there is some other damage, as long as it is minor, he will be back equal to the effort he puts into it. And he knows what it takes.

But it is heartbreaking.. so much work ahead

I have read it is the other knee, and that there is also a tear on the mcl...

It's the other knee. Where did you hear it damaged MCL? So long as it avoids cartilage and meniscus, I'm not really concerned longterm. Smith has proven dedication to the process and grind and shown he can come back stronger. While a bit more concerning about doubles damage, ACL/MCL is something many athletes have come back from, many more multiple times.

Read a few tweets. Looks like it traces back to PGU. So take it for what's its worth

Olsondogg wrote:Read a few tweets. Looks like it traces back to PGU. So take it for what's its worth

I've read everything from everyone I follow (not anyone affiliated with PGU) and haven't read the further damage. Hoping it's clean. If it's clean I'm not worried at all. Bump in the road. If it impacts surroundings, a bit more concern, but until I hear Meniscus or Microfracture, I'm confident Smith will return at a high level.

@BLUEChip_Miller: Sad news. Arizona freshman Ray Smith has torn his ACL and MCL, according to @UofAPointGuardU.

Olsondogg wrote:@BLUEChip_Miller: Sad news. Arizona freshman Ray Smith has torn his ACL and MCL, according to @UofAPointGuardU.

Seems like if that were true everyone would be reporting it. Not saying it's not. And PGU has certainly bought inside info before. But no other entity is saying MCL as well.

Either way, what an undeserved double whammy. So many ACL tears in Arizona athletics, so little luck.

And EVERYBODY should be rooting for Ray Smith to make a full recovery, regardless of where he plays, or when. Doubling down on the pessimism only makes you look twice as selfish.

Jason is deferring talks on MCL until official release tomorrow.

That suggests to me it may be true. I'd think if he's heard nothing or knew for certain, he'd say just ACL. Maybe not, but the fact he's not willing to rule it out isn't the news I wanted to hear.

This sucks....terrible news. Wish him well and a speedy recovery. Damn

This is awful news. I hope he can make a full recovery, but with severe injuries like this, you never can say for sure.

Good grief this is ugly news. Hang in there kid.


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Jason Scheer
Yesterday at 8:34 PM

Sources tell WildcatAuthority.com that freshman forward Ray Smith has torn his ACL and is out for the rest of the season.

Smith tore his right ACL in practice this week after tearing his left ACL last summer.

There haven’t been many guys on Arizona’s roster that have been practicing as well as Smith and sources say he was pushing for a starting spot.

In fact, one NBA scout recently told us that he projected Smith to go in the NBA lottery after one year of college if practice was any indication.

Stay tuned to WildcatAuthority.com and what it means for Arizona moving forward.

http://www.scout.com/college/arizona/st ... nee-injury" target="_blank

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

I think this only happens if Ray decides to walk away from the game, and that probably only happens if the latest injury is very severe.

ASUHATER! wrote:

Alieberman wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

Slow down

Nothing I said warrants a slow down. He was the most likely one and done and now his basketball career is more than likely over...so slow down on what? makes absolutely no sense to think he'll ever play a minute here.

I haven't seen anything that suggests he was a sure thing one and done.

Bad news for us...

... worse news for him.

I sure hope he recovers and can resume play and former expectations (solely for his sake).

scumdevils86 wrote:Huge bummer. Really feel for the kid.

Is this about Smith or your brother's chronic negative knee-jerking?

Anyway, dammit!

PHXCATS wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

Alieberman wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:Welp. Poor kid. Probably will never play a minute at Arizona now. Huge blow to the teams chances this year though. Too bad we will never see him play here

Slow down

Nothing I said warrants a slow down. He was the most likely one and done and now his basketball career is more than likely over...so slow down on what? makes absolutely no sense to think he'll ever play a minute here.

I haven't seen anything that suggests he was a sure thing one and done.

Don't even understand the relevance of that. Those guys don't heal? Not allowed to stay longer once affixed with "one and done" tag? Perhaps Hater will explain in his special Eeyore voice.

MCL too, if true, will add time to the recovery, but not really be as impact full to the ability to return to 100% as meniscus tear would be. The ligaments are replaceable, the cartilage not.

What a shitty thing to have happen twice. I watched my 14 year old go through the ACL rehab as nothing more than a motivated club/high school soccer player, and the work was pretty intense, and the periods of doubt common. Ray has the good and bad of having done it before: the good is he has done it before and knows what it takes to get back to 100%, and the bad is he has done it before, and knows what it takes to get to 100%. He will have top medical care. One of the biggest early issues is returning full flexibility/range of motion. These days, they have ACL patients working to that fresh off the operating table. The MCL, if true, will delay that somewhat, and that is worth concern. But kid can and, I believe given his access to top medical staff, will be back in an Arizona uni

By no means am I an orthopedic surgeon or expert, but isn't it very typical that if the ACL and MCL both tear that the medial meniscus typically does as well?