Bear Down Wildcats

Where are all the people that gave up after the Providence loss at?

At the game, is where I was ... at.

gumby wrote:At the game, is where I was ... at.

How was it? Anything like McKale?

I think most people were in their right to criticize the current state of the team against Providence (bad defense, horribly sloppy with the ball, stagnant offense down the stretch), but 1 November game I don't think was enough for a whole lot of people to completely get off the bandwagon...this team definitely has its issues, but it does have some strengths, we'll see how it goes. It does feel like a we probably should make the tournament, we probably need to get to 10 pac 12 wins, but how far we'll actually go no one at this idea really knows, except first round exit to sweet sixteen ceiling seems the best bet at this point.

TheGreatCatsby wrote:I think most people were in their right to criticize the current state of the team against Providence (bad defense, horribly sloppy with the ball, stagnant offense down the stretch), but 1 November game I don't think was enough for a whole lot of people to completely get off the bandwagon...this team definitely has its issues, but it does have some strengths, we'll see how it goes. It does feel like a we probably should make the tournament, we probably need to get to 10 pac 12 wins, but how far we'll actually go no one at this idea really knows, except first round exit to sweet sixteen ceiling seems the best bet at this point.

Blah, blah, blah. It's OK to live in the moment. Enjoy. Great win.

84Cat wrote:

gumby wrote:At the game, is where I was ... at.

How was it? Anything like McKale?

It was loud! Students really dominate and they are fully engaged. Great atmosphere. Half the size of McKale, but first-rate.

Providence is better than Gonzaga this year. Gonzaga is, as usual, overrated.

legallykenny wrote:Providence is better than Gonzaga this year. Gonzaga is, as usual, overrated.

No. They were better LY overall, but Karnowski, Wiltjer, and Sabonis is rivaled by very few. If Williams-Goss was eligible to play for them TY, they're solidly a top 10 team.

As of now, both are top 20 teams and both will be higher seeds come tourney time

TheGreatCatsby wrote:I think most people were in their right to criticize the current state of the team against Providence (bad defense, horribly sloppy with the ball, stagnant offense down the stretch), but 1 November game I don't think was enough for a whole lot of people to completely get off the bandwagon...this team definitely has its issues, but it does have some strengths, we'll see how it goes. It does feel like a we probably should make the tournament, we probably need to get to 10 pac 12 wins, but how far we'll actually go no one at this idea really knows, except first round exit to sweet sixteen ceiling seems the best bet at this point.

See, that's where you are wrong. You have little to no right to criticize this team after the Providence game. IT'S FUCKING DECEMBER YOU JAGOFF

Why would we even begin to judge this team in the harsh way that some people on here have considering everything that has happened (losing 4 starters, trying to blend a TON of new faces, devastating injuries)

Cue the "I can criticize whoever I want" line here

I'm at really appreciating what Miller was able to accomplish with a completely different starting 5 from last year. That second half was amazing. I'm glad it is on DVR and I'll be watching it again when I leave this board.
I also liked York's interview after the game. I wondered afterwards if he was "announcer" material when his playing days are over. The way he has progressed in 4 years shows me that he is truly learning the game. The words from Miller that I took from that interview were "Play hard". I also admired his humility about being the #1 player to stop as the interviewers suggested. I disagreed with that. If I'm the opposing coach, I start with Ryan. He is more versatile in my opinion. Sure, Gabe can drive and shoot floaters, but that doesn't wound the opponent like his treys can.

He was very polite. Lotta "sirs" in his responses.

DC, criticizing the team in November and December is fine. Nitpicking every little thing, acting like the sky is falling, throwing in the towel, questioning Sean Miller's coaching and recruiting abilities, saying the program is trending down and Miller already peaked, making ridiculous statements like "we aren't a tournament team," etc., is another story. I don't fault anyone for being critical and frustrated after the Providence loss: we played like dog crap in the Santa Clara game before it, and even played bad in the game before that one.

rgdeuce wrote:DC, criticizing the team in November and December is fine. Nitpicking every little thing, acting like the sky is falling, throwing in the towel, questioning Sean Miller's coaching and recruiting abilities, saying the program is trending down and Miller already peaked, making ridiculous statements like "we aren't a tournament team," etc., is another story. I don't fault anyone for being critical and frustrated after the Providence loss: we played like dog crap in the Santa Clara game before it, and even played bad in the game before that one.

First off, I posted this right after the win, and I probably was not 100% in my rational mind at the time.

I don't have any issue with discussing the problems this team has had and will have. I'll be the first person to say we need to minimize our dumb TO's, play better team D and knock down our jumpers.

The issue for me really was the people who used terms like trending down, said we'd be lucky to sneak into the tourney and otherwise treated the state of our program like the fall of Rome. We are still in a good position to make a tourney run. Our players need to settle into their new roles and understand what is expected of them.

Most importantly, against Gonzaga, we showed that we're ready to fight for it this year.

LOL. That was directed at DC. I have no problems with what you posted, some of the shit that has been said here recently has been ridiculous. I think the difference is, you were dealing with the extreme, and I felt DC was being a little unfair by lumping realistic criticism and concerns with the extreme. Being honest, what you posted was one of the first things that went through my head after we won.

rgdeuce wrote:LOL. That was directed at DC. I have no problems with what you posted, some of the shit that has been said here recently has been ridiculous. I think the difference is, you were dealing with the extreme, and I felt DC was being a little unfair by lumping realistic criticism and concerns with the extreme. Being honest, what you posted was one of the first things that went through my head after we won.

I felt a little bad after I posted. It was a pure reaction to being really fired up about the win and wanting to rub it in for people who were acting like the sky was falling after the Wooden. Look, we're almost all Arizona fans here, but the doom and gloom about this season (and worse about the long term outlook) was killing me. Like we should just bend over and tell UCLA the conference was theirs for the next decade. The day Sean Miller does that, Josh Smith will win a Presidential Physical Fitness medal.

In my defense, I see it as being really bought into the process...

I'm ok with criticizing, I think I was livid when, after we had just beat Gonzaga, that dude said "It does feel like we should probably make the tournament" and it blew my mind. That performance should have cemented in all of our minds that this team is going to be very good by the end of the year, and is pretty damn good right now.

That dude said we probably need to get to 10 pac wins. That's literally a worst case scenario and it just annoys me when people think that way. I'm loving this team, I will continue to enjoy the journey, lumps and all. And I won't criticize these kids until there is a reason to, maybe if they don't progress over the next 4 months like they should

At this point only winning 10 pac12 games would be a huge disappointment. We've only won less than 12 once, in Miller's first year.

ASUHATER! wrote:At this point only winning 10 pac12 games would be a huge disappointment. We've only won less than 12 once, in Miller's first year.

Seriously. It's pretty far out there to even assume we aren't winning this conference outright. With CSM dealing the way he has the last few years people should look at us similarly to how like they look at Kansas (not quite as much a guarantee but still), until someone takes it you assume we're gonna win it

ASUHATER! wrote:At this point only winning 10 pac12 games would be a huge disappointment. We've only won less than 12 once, in Miller's first year.

Oh, and I was gonna say, being you must be one hell of a roller coaster. Like the positive posts of late from you, I must admit.

You mean the normal posts? Only time I'm ever negative is when I'm reverse jinxing in a game thread when we're doing poorly

ASUHATER! wrote:You mean the normal posts? Only time I'm ever negative is when I'm reverse jinxing in a game thread when we're doing poorly

Haha whatever you say my man

I'm in McKale on Wednesday, and also for UNLV. That's where, mofo.

Olsondogg wrote:I'm in McKale on Wednesday, and also for UNLV. That's where, mofo.

Just once in my life I want to be able to say I saw a game at McKale. Why does Tucson have to be so far away from everything???

dcZONAfan wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:I'm in McKale on Wednesday, and also for UNLV. That's where, mofo.

Just once in my life I want to be able to say I saw a game at McKale. Why does Tucson have to be so far away from everything???

117 miles door to door ain't that bad.

Olsondogg wrote:

dcZONAfan wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:I'm in McKale on Wednesday, and also for UNLV. That's where, mofo.

Just once in my life I want to be able to say I saw a game at McKale. Why does Tucson have to be so far away from everything???

117 miles door to door ain't that bad.

Bastard

dcZONAfan wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:I'm in McKale on Wednesday, and also for UNLV. That's where, mofo.

Just once in my life I want to be able to say I saw a game at McKale. Why does Tucson have to be so far away from everything???

It's not that far. At most two hours from anywhere in Phoenix and it has an airport. It's not like it's Pullman or Lawrence or Lubbock or Tuscaloosa or something

ASUHATER! wrote: It's not that far. At most two hours from anywhere in Phoenix and it has an airport. It's not like it's Pullman or Lawrence or Lubbock or Tuscaloosa or something

are you going to the game on WED or are you working that night again??

97cats wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: It's not that far. At most two hours from anywhere in Phoenix and it has an airport. It's not like it's Pullman or Lawrence or Lubbock or Tuscaloosa or something

are you going to the game on WED or are you working that night again??

Be at work til about 6 or later. Can't afford bball tickets during the holidays but I'll be watching like always!

I'll represent for you all. #truefan #machinasproud

ASUHATER! wrote:

dcZONAfan wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:I'm in McKale on Wednesday, and also for UNLV. That's where, mofo.

Just once in my life I want to be able to say I saw a game at McKale. Why does Tucson have to be so far away from everything???

It's not that far. At most two hours from anywhere in Phoenix and it has an airport. It's not like it's Pullman or Lawrence or Lubbock or Tuscaloosa or something

From the Northeast, it's far. Especially when there is literally no reason to go to that area of the country with the wife.

ASUHATER! wrote:

97cats wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: It's not that far. At most two hours from anywhere in Phoenix and it has an airport. It's not like it's Pullman or Lawrence or Lubbock or Tuscaloosa or something

are you going to the game on WED or are you working that night again??

Be at work til about 6 or later. Can't afford bball tickets during the holidays but I'll be watching like always!

Another mid-afternoon shift at the MVD? Will you ever catch a break?!

There's always a reason. Basketball games, homecoming, nice winter weather vacation.

I like how Hater tells you it isn't that far, only a plane flight away...and then talks about how it's too expensive to go from Tucson.

Salty wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

97cats wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: It's not that far. At most two hours from anywhere in Phoenix and it has an airport. It's not like it's Pullman or Lawrence or Lubbock or Tuscaloosa or something

are you going to the game on WED or are you working that night again??

Be at work til about 6 or later. Can't afford bball tickets during the holidays but I'll be watching like always!

Another mid-afternoon shift at the MVD? Will you ever catch a break?!

So are you a cop in Tucson, a law student, a cop in Austin, a bouncer, an astronaut, a fighter pilot or an mma fighter nowadays? You change careers and locations and things so often it's hard to keep track.

Olsondogg wrote:I like how Hater tells you it isn't that far, only a plane flight away...and then talks about how it's too expensive to go from Tucson.

Well everyone on this board likes to brag about the high paying jobs they have, so one must assume they can fly!

ASUHATER! wrote: Be at work til about 6 or later. Can't afford bball tickets during the holidays but I'll be watching like always!

you're a fraud

ASUHATER! wrote:

Salty wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

97cats wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: It's not that far. At most two hours from anywhere in Phoenix and it has an airport. It's not like it's Pullman or Lawrence or Lubbock or Tuscaloosa or something

are you going to the game on WED or are you working that night again??

Be at work til about 6 or later. Can't afford bball tickets during the holidays but I'll be watching like always!

Another mid-afternoon shift at the MVD? Will you ever catch a break?!

So are you a cop in Tucson, a law student, a cop in Austin, a bouncer, an astronaut, a fighter pilot or an mma fighter nowadays? You change careers and locations and things so often it's hard to keep track.

I'm all of those things. And it's awesome.

My secret? Gluten-free food. Unlocks your true potential.

BTW the wife is working till about 5PM here in PHX, we are still making the game.

97cats wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: Be at work til about 6 or later. Can't afford bball tickets during the holidays but I'll be watching like always!

you're a fraud

Sure. You can think whatever you like. Has no affect on the real world. I always respected you as a good guy and a poster until for whatever reason lately you got a stick up your ass about butting into people's personal lives on a sports message board. Why do you care so much...ain't none ya business.

Salty wrote: I'm all of those things. And it's awesome.

My secret? Gluten-free food. Unlocks your true potential.

you've taken some lumps on here, Salty -- some self inflicted, no doubt.

but what's HATER's secret to prolonged mediocrity? he won't tell me so if you could find out that'd be greeeeat.

yet all he does is bag on anything and everything else everyone else does.

thx in advance.

ASUHATER! wrote:

97cats wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: Be at work til about 6 or later. Can't afford bball tickets during the holidays but I'll be watching like always!

you're a fraud

Sure. You can think whatever you like. Has no affect on the real world. I always respected you as a good guy and a poster until for whatever reason lately you got a stick up your ass about butting into people's personal lives on a sports message board. Why do you care so much...ain't none ya business.

Can you seriously not see the hypocrisy there?

You literately called out like three posters, in about the past 20 minutes, about their own personal lives or situation, but then declared that your situation is off limits.

You sure can dish it, and you sure can't take it.

Salty wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

97cats wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: Be at work til about 6 or later. Can't afford bball tickets during the holidays but I'll be watching like always!

you're a fraud

Sure. You can think whatever you like. Has no affect on the real world. I always respected you as a good guy and a poster until for whatever reason lately you got a stick up your ass about butting into people's personal lives on a sports message board. Why do you care so much...ain't none ya business.

Can you seriously not see the hypocrisy there?

You literately called out like three posters, in about the past 20 minutes, about their own personal lives or situation, but then declared that your situation is off limits.

You sure can dish it, and you sure can't take it.

Can you not see the difference? Everyone I called out brought it upon themselves. You share intimate personal details on an anonymous message board and act like an ass...expect to be called out. I keep private. It's not my choice for you all to not keep your own lives private. Absolutely no hypocrisy anywhere near me. I've never asked any personal details about anyone on this site.

Is Missouri any good?

I hate all you people.

97cats wrote:

Salty wrote: I'm all of those things. And it's awesome.

My secret? Gluten-free food. Unlocks your true potential.

you've taken some lumps on here, Salty -- some self inflicted, no doubt.

but what's HATER's secret to prolonged mediocrity? he won't tell me so if you could find out that'd be greeeeat.

yet all he does is bag on anything and everything else everyone else does.

thx in advance.

I was a fucked up, immature asshole for a long time.

I recognize that. I am trying to improve and I've spent a lot of time working on my character.

But this isn't about me, and the fact that this has turned to other poster's personal situation is due to Hater's character issues and his inability to admit his hypocrisy.

Zero wrote:Is Missouri any good?

Thoroughly mediocre. 4-3 I believe. Picked dead last in the sec media poll.

dcZONAfan wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:I'm in McKale on Wednesday, and also for UNLV. That's where, mofo.

Just once in my life I want to be able to say I saw a game at McKale. Why does Tucson have to be so far away from everything???

I had to move to Spokane to see a game.

Salty wrote:

97cats wrote:

Salty wrote: I'm all of those things. And it's awesome.

My secret? Gluten-free food. Unlocks your true potential.

you've taken some lumps on here, Salty -- some self inflicted, no doubt.

but what's HATER's secret to prolonged mediocrity? he won't tell me so if you could find out that'd be greeeeat.

yet all he does is bag on anything and everything else everyone else does.

thx in advance.

I was a fucked up, immature asshole for a long time.

I recognize that. I am trying to improve and I've spent a lot of time working on my character.

But this isn't about me, and the fact that this has turned to other poster's personal situation is due to Hater's character issues and his inability to admit his hypocrisy.

You're still an immature asshole.

gumby wrote:

dcZONAfan wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:I'm in McKale on Wednesday, and also for UNLV. That's where, mofo.

Just once in my life I want to be able to say I saw a game at McKale. Why does Tucson have to be so far away from everything???

I had to move to Spokane to see a game.

Braggart

Jesus all of this happened because I said I want to go to an Arizona game in McKale just once......