Ira Lee DUI
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:55 pm
Come on dude, you got to be better than this. Terrible look for Lee, Miller and U of A.
No!Jefe wrote:above .20
did we need a new thread on this?
you dont think this is a big deal? The guy could have killed people because of his stupidity. I wouldnt mind if he was dismissed from the team. But people deserve second chances so if he cleans his act up suspended for the OOC portion of the season is reasonable.Jefe wrote:above .20
did we need a new thread on this?
You honestly think he's gonna get kicked off the team for a misdemeanor DUI? I have no inside knowledge of team discipline, but he has not had any other issues and this at worst a misdemeanor.ASUHATER! wrote:Sigh, well one less player on the roster. Ira Lee is an idiot. Every other student at the UA uses Uber or Lyft to go anywhere that's more than a 3 minute walk away.
BAC of over 0.20 while under age is not a "misdemeanor". Wow, just wow at the other commentsSpaceman Spiff wrote:You honestly think he's gonna get kicked off the team for a misdemeanor DUI? I have no inside knowledge of team discipline, but he has not had any other issues and this at worst a misdemeanor.ASUHATER! wrote:Sigh, well one less player on the roster. Ira Lee is an idiot. Every other student at the UA uses Uber or Lyft to go anywhere that's more than a 3 minute walk away.
I doubt anyone condones drunk driving, but on the scale of criminal issues...
I do think Spiff is right in that it is treated as a misdemeanor. I agree with Hater on the stupidity on not calling an Uber or walking to the party. He will learn from it. Thank goodness no one was hurt as his future would have been ruined and someone could have been badly hurt.PHXCATS wrote:BAC of over 0.20 while under age is not a "misdemeanor". Wow, just wow at the other commentsSpaceman Spiff wrote:You honestly think he's gonna get kicked off the team for a misdemeanor DUI? I have no inside knowledge of team discipline, but he has not had any other issues and this at worst a misdemeanor.ASUHATER! wrote:Sigh, well one less player on the roster. Ira Lee is an idiot. Every other student at the UA uses Uber or Lyft to go anywhere that's more than a 3 minute walk away.
I doubt anyone condones drunk driving, but on the scale of criminal issues...
Yes it is.PHXCATS wrote:BAC of over 0.20 while under age is not a "misdemeanor". Wow, just wow at the other commentsSpaceman Spiff wrote:You honestly think he's gonna get kicked off the team for a misdemeanor DUI? I have no inside knowledge of team discipline, but he has not had any other issues and this at worst a misdemeanor.ASUHATER! wrote:Sigh, well one less player on the roster. Ira Lee is an idiot. Every other student at the UA uses Uber or Lyft to go anywhere that's more than a 3 minute walk away.
I doubt anyone condones drunk driving, but on the scale of criminal issues...
https://www.jacksonwhitelaw.com/crimina ... y-arizona/" target="_blankSpaceman Spiff wrote:Yes it is.PHXCATS wrote:BAC of over 0.20 while under age is not a "misdemeanor". Wow, just wow at the other commentsSpaceman Spiff wrote:You honestly think he's gonna get kicked off the team for a misdemeanor DUI? I have no inside knowledge of team discipline, but he has not had any other issues and this at worst a misdemeanor.ASUHATER! wrote:Sigh, well one less player on the roster. Ira Lee is an idiot. Every other student at the UA uses Uber or Lyft to go anywhere that's more than a 3 minute walk away.
I doubt anyone condones drunk driving, but on the scale of criminal issues...
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/28/01382.htm" target="_blank
Look at subsection J.
We can just move on as other things say it is a felony.Spaceman Spiff wrote:PHXCATS, you're not correct. Here is the Agg DUI statute.
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/28/01383.htm" target="_blank
28-1383(A)(1-5) outline the five circumstances that make a DUI a felony. Unless it was not mentioned, Ira meets none of them. Purely being above a .20 just puts you under 28-1382(A)(2), which is a misdemeanor.
People can plead down. I do not defend DUI, period. That said, this is early in a complex process.YoDeFoe wrote:Looks like P.J. Tucker got a Super Extreme DUI (same as Lee, though Lee is underage) while playing for the Suns... three days in jail, three game suspension. Suns GM Steve Keim plead to a damn near Super Extreme (0.193) and got two days plus a five week suspension from the Suns.
Seems the 45 days isn't always applied.
No kidding.Chicat wrote:The glee with which some people run over here with bad news is practically palpable. I did like the “terrible look for Miller” part. Was Sean feeding him Fireball shots?
Take a look at the two links I posted above. Each statute lays out penalties, which for a first time offender are graduated by BAC.ChooChooCat wrote:No kidding.Chicat wrote:The glee with which some people run over here with bad news is practically palpable. I did like the “terrible look for Miller” part. Was Sean feeding him Fireball shots?
There's no excuse for drinking as much as he did and driving regardless of the fact he recently lost his grandmother, but thank God he didn't hurt himself or anybody else. He'll be punished accordingly, but he's certainly not going to be kicked off the team. This does mean playing time for Omar for sure now.
On a side note is it really 45 days? I have a lawyer friend in Pima county who told me 10 days, with 2 being in jail and the other 8 wearing a boot. Can anybody clarify?
From what I understand pretty much if you have a lawyer what I posted is the standard in regards to how much prison time you will do with plea bargaining and such.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Take a look at the two links I posted above. Each statute lays out penalties, which for a first time offender are graduated by BAC.ChooChooCat wrote:No kidding.Chicat wrote:The glee with which some people run over here with bad news is practically palpable. I did like the “terrible look for Miller” part. Was Sean feeding him Fireball shots?
There's no excuse for drinking as much as he did and driving regardless of the fact he recently lost his grandmother, but thank God he didn't hurt himself or anybody else. He'll be punished accordingly, but he's certainly not going to be kicked off the team. This does mean playing time for Omar for sure now.
On a side note is it really 45 days? I have a lawyer friend in Pima county who told me 10 days, with 2 being in jail and the other 8 wearing a boot. Can anybody clarify?
Edit: What do lawyers use as contraceptives? Their personalities.
Yeah, the statute(s) just lays out minimums if convicted of particular charges. Whether someone pleads to a lesser offense, etc, that's not going to get defined by a rule.ChooChooCat wrote:From what I understand pretty much if you have a lawyer what I posted is the standard in regards to how much prison time you will do with plea bargaining and such.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Take a look at the two links I posted above. Each statute lays out penalties, which for a first time offender are graduated by BAC.ChooChooCat wrote:No kidding.Chicat wrote:The glee with which some people run over here with bad news is practically palpable. I did like the “terrible look for Miller” part. Was Sean feeding him Fireball shots?
There's no excuse for drinking as much as he did and driving regardless of the fact he recently lost his grandmother, but thank God he didn't hurt himself or anybody else. He'll be punished accordingly, but he's certainly not going to be kicked off the team. This does mean playing time for Omar for sure now.
On a side note is it really 45 days? I have a lawyer friend in Pima county who told me 10 days, with 2 being in jail and the other 8 wearing a boot. Can anybody clarify?
Edit: What do lawyers use as contraceptives? Their personalities.
Especially when their BAC is over .2.Alieberman wrote:Why not use Uber and Lift when you are drunk?
Maybe because people make really bad decisions when they are drunk?
He will take a plea deal for a misdemeanor DUI with BAC above 0.08%, not the over 0.20%. Will get 10 days jail, 8 of those suspended provided he completes some sort of treatment program and abides by other court orders/probation.PHXCATS wrote:BAC of over 0.20 while under age is not a "misdemeanor". Wow, just wow at the other commentsSpaceman Spiff wrote:You honestly think he's gonna get kicked off the team for a misdemeanor DUI? I have no inside knowledge of team discipline, but he has not had any other issues and this at worst a misdemeanor.ASUHATER! wrote:Sigh, well one less player on the roster. Ira Lee is an idiot. Every other student at the UA uses Uber or Lyft to go anywhere that's more than a 3 minute walk away.
I doubt anyone condones drunk driving, but on the scale of criminal issues...
Was he close to her.. yeah, might explain his behavior.azcat49 wrote:Hears he had lost his grandma a few days earlier. Not an excuse but might explain the situation some.
Even though it is illegal no one is blaming him for drinking. People are rightfully super disappointed in him and his decision making for driving drunk and almost hurting innocent people.HiCat wrote:Was he close to her.. yeah, might explain his behavior.azcat49 wrote:Hears he had lost his grandma a few days earlier. Not an excuse but might explain the situation some.
A misdemeanor DUI does not register on the national image.PHXCATS wrote:Lee went the wrong way going 30 over the speed limit and just missed hitting another car. This is a huge deal, have to come down hard on him for his sake and the national image and doing the right thing.
All perspective? He came inches away from hurting someone and you are acting like it isnt a big deal. And Miller and Arizona are under a huge microscope. You may think this is no big deal nationally but it certainly is with all the other stuff going on right now with the program.Spaceman Spiff wrote:A misdemeanor DUI does not register on the national image.PHXCATS wrote:Lee went the wrong way going 30 over the speed limit and just missed hitting another car. This is a huge deal, have to come down hard on him for his sake and the national image and doing the right thing.
I just finished watching Last Chance U. Dude got kicked off Georgia's football team after three misdemeanors, all marijuana possession, in his freshman year. It did not register nationally, and that should tell you how many nonviolent misdemeanors it truly takes.
Again, I don't defend drinking and driving in any way. It is stupid and can kill people. The tar and feather him posts are just bugging me a bit. Just because he got arrested for something bad doesn't mean all perspective has to go out the window.
If he killed someone, which he was close do doing, would non conference be acceptable then?azcat49 wrote:A non conference suspension? That is way over the top. Maybe we should just boo him loudly like we do Scott for a month. 3 or 4 games is enough
Can you link those details? I cannot find an article referring to anything besides DUI and failure to yield at an intersection.PHXCATS wrote:If he killed someone, which he was close do doing, would non conference be acceptable then?azcat49 wrote:A non conference suspension? That is way over the top. Maybe we should just boo him loudly like we do Scott for a month. 3 or 4 games is enough
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Can you link those details? I cannot find an article referring to anything besides DUI and failure to yield at an intersection.PHXCATS wrote:If he killed someone, which he was close do doing, would non conference be acceptable then?azcat49 wrote:A non conference suspension? That is way over the top. Maybe we should just boo him loudly like we do Scott for a month. 3 or 4 games is enough
There is no reckless driving citation I can find referenced.
I think so, but no excuse as we all know. People lose parents and grandparents every day and don't get extreme DUIs.HiCat wrote:Was he close to her.. yeah, might explain his behavior.azcat49 wrote:Hears he had lost his grandma a few days earlier. Not an excuse but might explain the situation some.
Ok, the car was driving over 30 MPH, not over 30 MPH over the speed limit. That is a very big difference, 33 MPH vs 55-65 MPH.PHXCATS wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:Can you link those details? I cannot find an article referring to anything besides DUI and failure to yield at an intersection.PHXCATS wrote:If he killed someone, which he was close do doing, would non conference be acceptable then?azcat49 wrote:A non conference suspension? That is way over the top. Maybe we should just boo him loudly like we do Scott for a month. 3 or 4 games is enough
There is no reckless driving citation I can find referenced.
Merkin wrote: The 6-foot-8-inch, 230-pound Lee had previously told police he had consumed one beer.
And why cops never believe anyone.
Unless of course he had 5 shots of vodka before the beer.
I think so, but no excuse as we all know. People lose parents and grandparents every day and don't get extreme DUIs.HiCat wrote:Was he close to her.. yeah, might explain his behavior.azcat49 wrote:Hears he had lost his grandma a few days earlier. Not an excuse but might explain the situation some.
I read it wrong initially, I thought it said 30 MPH over.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Ok, the car was driving over 30 MPH, not over 30 MPH over the speed limit. That is a very big difference, 33 MPH vs 55-65 MPH.PHXCATS wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:Can you link those details? I cannot find an article referring to anything besides DUI and failure to yield at an intersection.PHXCATS wrote:If he killed someone, which he was close do doing, would non conference be acceptable then?azcat49 wrote:A non conference suspension? That is way over the top. Maybe we should just boo him loudly like we do Scott for a month. 3 or 4 games is enough
There is no reckless driving citation I can find referenced.
The failure to yield is that he either ran a red or didn't stop and the car making a left had to jam on the brakes. The wrong way...my thoughts on whether that's sensational depend on the actual report. If he just crossed the center line on a 2 lane street, that is not nearly as bad as the article makes it sounds. If it was a divided street, it is bad.
Looking on Google, Warren is just an undivided side street by Arizona Stadium.
Ok, so punish him for driving drunk and putting tons of lives in dangerAlieberman wrote:You generally punish people for the things they actually did, not things that they could have potentially done.