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pc in NM wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:34 am The concept of "losing...turning into a run in the tourney", is pure, unadulterated baloney!!!!
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Anyone have a clue about playing time or expectations of the Euro guys?

My thoughts for now:
G- Bradley- 25 min
G- Boswell- 25 min
W- Pelle- 25 min
F- Johnson- 20 min
C- Ballo- 20 min

That leaves 45 minutes for Guard/Wing
And 40 for forward or bigs.

Lewis- 15-20 min
Murauskas-15-20 min
Transfer guard- 10-15 min
Krivas- ?
Veesaar- ?
Borovicanin- ?
Anderson- ?
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Ballo and Pelle averaged 27 minutes last year so not sure why that would decrease. If anything they will average close to 30.
Boswell should make the biggest jump - probably close to 30 as well.

Those 3 guys are probably your biggest lock in terms of mpg. After that, it all depends how well the new guys play/assimilate within CTL's system. Veesaar averaged 7 mpg last year - will he also make a jump?

The real question is how deep will our rotation be? Last year, it was 7. This year I think it will be more like 8-9.
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I think there is a likelihood that our defense is worlds better with Johnson on the floor. If so I think he gets tons of minutes. Tommy's teams will score the ball. Defend and special things can happen.
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Great podcast great interview

Really excited for the new Euro guys after this interview. Well I was excited for them before and even more now

Great to see a podcast about U of A with no bullshit
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So if we ACTUALLY land Caleb Love..we are rolling out a roster of:

Jaden Bradley (5 Star)
Caleb Love (5 Star, Final Four)
Pelle Larsson (NBA potential)
Keshad Johnson (Final Four)
Oumar Ballo (BEAST)

Bench:
Kylan Boswell (5 Star)
KJ Lewis (bully)
Murauskas (shooter with size)
Veesaar/Krivas (relief for Ballo when we don’t want to go small)

I will be VERY excited for this year. That’s a better roster overall than last year when we got a 2 seed.
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IndianaZonaFan wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 5:27 am So if we ACTUALLY land Caleb Love..we are rolling out a roster of:

Jaden Bradley (5 Star)
Caleb Love (5 Star, Final Four)
Pelle Larsson (NBA potential)
Keshad Johnson (Final Four)
Oumar Ballo (BEAST)

Bench:
Kylan Boswell (5 Star)
KJ Lewis (bully)
Murauskas (shooter with size)
Veesaar/Krivas (relief for Ballo when we don’t want to go small)

I will be VERY excited for this year. That’s a better roster overall than last year when we got a 2 seed.
I don’t think Boswell will be coming off the bench. This is likely to be his team to run. My guess would be that Bradley comes off the bench, but still logs 25 minutes per game.
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We should know by now that "starting" means jack shit in CTL's system so there shouldn't be any concern around that moniker.
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I doubt Bradley transferred to come off the bench. And just because I think Boswell comes off the bench, doesn’t mean I think less of him. I think out of the 3 main guards, Bam Bam gets the most minutes for the season.
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Pelle could still be 6th man depending on who we play
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I think next years team will be light years better defensively then anything we have seen under Lloyd.
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CatFan1399 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 6:38 am
IndianaZonaFan wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 5:27 am So if we ACTUALLY land Caleb Love..we are rolling out a roster of:

Jaden Bradley (5 Star)
Caleb Love (5 Star, Final Four)
Pelle Larsson (NBA potential)
Keshad Johnson (Final Four)
Oumar Ballo (BEAST)

Bench:
Kylan Boswell (5 Star)
KJ Lewis (bully)
Murauskas (shooter with size)
Veesaar/Krivas (relief for Ballo when we don’t want to go small)

I will be VERY excited for this year. That’s a better roster overall than last year when we got a 2 seed.
I don’t think Boswell will be coming off the bench. This is likely to be his team to run. My guess would be that Bradley comes off the bench, but still logs 25 minutes per game.
Hopefully this team can hit a few perimeter shots to keep defenses honest.
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RaisingArizona wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 8:14 am
Frybry02 wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 9:48 pm Would like to add a shooter.

Teams are going to dare us to shoot from deep.
Paulius Murauskas is about as deadeye as it gets supposedly. Boswell can really shoot it as well. Still could use more though.
I hope so but not how many minutes is PM going to get?

We have no clue right now. But if we add love, that means far less minutes available.
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IndianaZonaFan wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 7:34 am I doubt Bradley transferred to come off the bench. And just because I think Boswell comes off the bench, doesn’t mean I think less of him. I think out of the 3 main guards, Bam Bam gets the most minutes for the season.
I think it's Larsson that comes off the bench, he's not that much taller, just an inch. He also does better off the bench.

He'll still get probably the most mins per game on the team.
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Frybry02 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:05 am
RaisingArizona wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 8:14 am
Frybry02 wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 9:48 pm Would like to add a shooter.

Teams are going to dare us to shoot from deep.
Paulius Murauskas is about as deadeye as it gets supposedly. Boswell can really shoot it as well. Still could use more though.
I hope so but not how many minutes is PM going to get?

We have no clue right now. But if we add love, that means far less minutes available.
I have no idea. I kind of assumed that when we need more shooting we'd insert him as a stretch 4.
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Ok so...

1. Boswell - G
2. Bradley.- G
3. Larsson - G/Wing
4. Johnson - forward/wing
5. Ballo - C

6. Lewis - wing (a small one)
7. Murauskas - wing/forward
8. Veesaar - C
9. Krivas - C

10. Borovicanin - Wing
11. Martinez - G
12. Anderson - C

13. Love (G)

Roster is officially set
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EastCoastCat wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 6:50 am We should know by now that "starting" means jack shit in CTL's system so there shouldn't be any concern around that moniker.
It doesn’t. But you have to consider ego and all the people in the kids ear.
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RondaeShimmy wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 12:21 pm Ok so...

1. Boswell - G
2. Bradley.- G
3. Larsson - G/Wing
4. Johnson - forward/wing
5. Ballo - C

6. Lewis - wing (a small one)
7. Murauskas - wing/forward
8. Veesaar - C
9. Krivas - C

10. Borovicanin - Wing
11. Martinez - G
12. Anderson - C

13. Love (G)

Roster is officially set
Have we convinced Tuatvilas to give up his scholarship yet?
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CardiacCats97 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 12:41 pm
RondaeShimmy wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 12:21 pm Ok so...

1. Boswell - G
2. Bradley.- G
3. Larsson - G/Wing
4. Johnson - forward/wing
5. Ballo - C

6. Lewis - wing (a small one)
7. Murauskas - wing/forward
8. Veesaar - C
9. Krivas - C

10. Borovicanin - Wing
11. Martinez - G
12. Anderson - C

13. Love (G)

Roster is officially set
Have we convinced Tuatvilas to give up his scholarship yet?
He doesn't get a say, he's not getting a scholarship for playing anymore
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CardiacCats97 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 12:41 pm
Have we convinced Tuatvilas to give up his scholarship yet?
I thought it was pretty much immediately pulled when Zu declared.
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I think our rotations is going to be something like

Boswell
Love
Larsson
Johnson
Ballo

Bradley
Veesaar
Murauskas or Lewis

Everyone will get garbage time mins
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RondaeShimmy wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:29 am
IndianaZonaFan wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 7:34 am I doubt Bradley transferred to come off the bench. And just because I think Boswell comes off the bench, doesn’t mean I think less of him. I think out of the 3 main guards, Bam Bam gets the most minutes for the season.
I think it's Larsson that comes off the bench, he's not that much taller, just an inch. He also does better off the bench.

He'll still get probably the most mins per game on the team.
I think Larsson will come off the bench, but he did not do better off the bench than when he started. It is a narrative that he did

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PHXCATS wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 12:57 pm
RondaeShimmy wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:29 am
IndianaZonaFan wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 7:34 am I doubt Bradley transferred to come off the bench. And just because I think Boswell comes off the bench, doesn’t mean I think less of him. I think out of the 3 main guards, Bam Bam gets the most minutes for the season.
I think it's Larsson that comes off the bench, he's not that much taller, just an inch. He also does better off the bench.

He'll still get probably the most mins per game on the team.
I think Larsson will come off the bench, but he did not do better off the bench than when he started. It is a narrative that he did

Starter Points 9.94 per game Rebounds 5.17 per game Assists 3.00 per game
Bench Points 9.94 per game Rebounds 3.42 per game Assists 3.12 per game
He played so much better as a bench player that those numbers don't do it justice. Here's his shooting splits

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pl ... plits/2023

Off bench:

FG% 53 • 2PT% 55 • 3PT% 48 • FT% 81

Starter:

FG% 41 • 2PT% 54 • 3PT% 27 • FT% 84
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Wow! Simply Wow! All bases covered.

See you in April Kansas.
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This is incredible. I've rarely seen our prospects for a next season change and skyrocket so quickly.

Welcome, C-Love!!!

Guys, this team is loaded.

Is it effing November yet??!
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We are Arizona.

We don't rebuild...we reload.

And the Awe Shucks Assassin does it again. Lull's you to thinking the cupboard is bare and then strikes.
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EastCoastCat wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 1:40 pm We are Arizona.

We don't rebuild...we reload.

And the Awe Shucks Assassin does it again. Lull's you to thinking the cupboard is bare and then strikes.
I was perfectly okay with next season being a rebuild, with some great prospects for 2024-25. This is unexpected and seemingly unprecedented. I do remember Miller pulled some late recruits here and there, but to go from this...

Boswell
Lewis
Larsson
Veesaar
Ballo

...to this...

Love
Boswell/Bradley
Larsson
Johnson
Ballo

...is pretty bonkers. No one has had a better offseason. Not yet, at least.
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The key to this all, both portal and HS recruiting, is that we play an exciting and winning style of basketball. Quite frankly I was shocked at all the doomsayers on here when we had one of the best products to sell. Who wouldn't want to play this style of basketball?
Now some of the players give me pause on how they will mesh together but that is why coaches get paid so much money. I think we will sub out 3 players at a time and lose no efficiency and have fresh bodies on the court at all times. I also think everyone is selling our Litho forward short. That guy is going to be really good after he adjusts to the speed of the game and the different rules. I think he plays a significant role in the second half of the year.
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Scheer said we're likely to add one more top 5 team to the non-conference schedule. He hinted it depends if a certain player returns to school. My guess is Edey/Purdue.
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Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Purdue? Are we going for the B1G title?
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Maybe Marquette with Prosper testing NBA

Edit: just noticed he is not returning.

Additional edit: maybe UK?
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Kansas, Purdue, UConn, Marquette or Miami are the options
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I’d love to kick the shit out of UConn to cement what a fluke their Natty was.
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CardiacCats97 wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 5:41 pm I’d love to kick the shit out of UConn to cement what a fluke their Natty was.
Which of their 5 natty's are you talking about?
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azgreg wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 5:43 pm
CardiacCats97 wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 5:41 pm I’d love to kick the shit out of UConn to cement what a fluke their Natty was.
Which of their 5 natty's are you talking about?
Yeah I hate UCONN more than anyone but you got to give them credit. 5 NC’s is blue blood territory.
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arizonawildcats wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 3:35 pm Scheer said we're likely to add one more top 5 team to the non-conference schedule. He hinted it depends if a certain player returns to school. My guess is Edey/Purdue.
Edey just announced he’s coming back.
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azgreg wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 5:43 pm
CardiacCats97 wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 5:41 pm I’d love to kick the shit out of UConn to cement what a fluke their Natty was.
Which of their 5 natty's are you talking about?
Every one since 2010.
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Watson headed back to Gonzaga.

Tommy ready to make up that game we postponed?
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Looks like it is Purdue
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RondaeShimmy wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:25 am Looks like it is Purdue
Is this for real???

That would be crazy!!
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It is amazing how Arizona fans alway take the bait with the media. Davis. Parrish. Now Goodman yet again

These fools win when you give them the engagement and attention. Goodman has a monster lead right now
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My guess for season:

Boswell: 30 MPG, 15 pts
Bradley: 25 MPG, 8 pts
Love: 25 MPG, 13 pts
Johnson: 25 MPG, 6 pts
Ballo: 30 MPG, 11 pts

Larsson: 30 MPG, 14 PPG
Lewis: 10 MPG, 4pts
Murauskas: 15 MPG, 7pts
Veesaar/Krivas: 10 MPG, 3 pts
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Oumar will get a lot more touches with Zu gone. And he has a lot of guys who can get him the ball now. He will be a conference POY candidate if he comes back healthy from the broken hand and stomach issue.
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I think the addition of a few of these players fix the problem of taking the ball to the hoop. I think when our guards penetrate it will open Ballo/Pelle for easier buckets. I am most excited about our Lith forward because I think his shooting may help stretch the floor and give some room to drive the ball for easy baskets.

We have no idea how these guys will blend but if coach TL put them together he owns the result. It will be a rocky start but I think we will be a team to watch in the second half of the year. Good luck to them all reaching their dreams.
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We have some monster games in the non con, should be able to just flat out run a couple of them. Looking forward to the high profile games.
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Not that I care, but Stadium doesn't even have us ranked in the top 25? And CU at 16?
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