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ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:25 pm
by RondaeShimmy

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:32 pm
by Alieberman
Cannot wait for Enfugo to start posting here again! It’s on!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:40 pm
by EastCoastCat
F*ckansas

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:41 pm
by RondaeShimmy

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:51 pm
by UAEebs86
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Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:01 pm
by Alieberman
When did they produce those?!!!!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:03 pm
by azgreg
Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:01 pm When did they produce those?!!!!
That one has been in the quiver.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:19 pm
by dovecanyoncat
I was just chatting with my buddy who lives in Seattle but graduated from Wiscy. He's going home to the B1G, so good for him. I told him for Wildcat fans Wiscy occupies the pantheon of hated schools no less than Duke and Illinois and that at least we can still spar as original conference rivals. He's an old friend from the mid 70s and I confess I love him unreservedly. But I told him that if y'all knew, I'd be buried out in the desert within a week.

Change is difficult, but it's a good thing in the end.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:20 pm
by Chicat
Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:01 pm When did they produce those?!!!!
Guess it wasn’t in doubt for a while!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:26 pm
by FreeSpiritCat
I am really happy UA joined the Big 12. I've wanted it all along since the Big 12 gave an invitation to the 4-corners schools last year. I am glad the Cats don't go on boring road trips where the arenas look empty. We are going to a conference that cares about the sports. It's not just the top teams. I can't wait for playing Iowa State at the Hilton, West Virginia in Morgantown (better if Bob Huggins hadn't screwed up), Texas Tech.

I think we are really going to enjoy playing in the Big 12. It is a lot different than the Pac because it is far more intense.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:30 pm
by RondaeShimmy
I'll just repost this here if anyone is wondering about the money from the big 12
RondaeShimmy wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:19 pm From McMurphy's article
In the Big 12, Arizona, Arizona State and Utah will receive a full $31.7 million annually in media rights revenue (not including other league revenue from College Football Playoff, etc.) once the Big 12’s new six-year $2.3 billion Grant of Rights deal with ESPN and FOX begins in 2025, sources said.

In 2024, the three schools also will receive a full Big 12 revenue share, estimated to be about $42 million, a source said. In 2025, that “all-in” number is expected to be around $50 million annually per school, industry sources said.
Here's the udub and nikeu share of the big ten

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:30 pm
by scumdevils86
I will miss the few road trips I got to take to Oregon, LA, Colorado etc. Lubbock
, Morgantown, Manhattan, and Stillwater don't make me want to hop a plane. I preferred being associated with the West Coast so that blows but it was time to old yeller this thing I guess.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:31 pm
by AZCatGirl
Basketball season is going to kick so much ass next year it wont even be funny.

Probably wont be living in the US next year, but I'm glad to leave knowing our sports are in good hands.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:32 pm
by KillerKlown
I'm ready for the growing pains of being in a tough, passionate conference but it'll be worth it in the end. NO MORE PAC REFS!!!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:35 pm
by dovecanyoncat
KillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:32 pm I'm ready for the growing pains of being in a tough, passionate conference but it'll be worth it in the end. NO MORE PAC REFS!!!
THIS! 100X This!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:12 pm
by azgreg
KillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:32 pm I'm ready for the growing pains of being in a tough, passionate conference but it'll be worth it in the end. NO MORE PAC REFS!!!
They don't like their refs either.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:14 pm
by Chicat
scumdevils86 wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:30 pm I will miss the few road trips I got to take to Oregon, LA, Colorado etc. Lubbock
, Morgantown, Manhattan, and Stillwater don't make me want to hop a plane. I preferred being associated with the West Coast so that blows but it was time to old yeller this thing I guess.
Colorado trip won’t change.

Morgantown is a riot. Went there once and partied about as hard as I ever have.

I’ll grant you Manhattan, Stillwater, and Lubbock should be avoided like the clap.

But Phog?? Dallas? Houston? Cincy? Hell yes! Might even combine a UCF game with a Disneyworld trip. Let’s go!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:36 am
by ghostwhitehorse
KillerKlown wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:32 pm I'm ready for the growing pains of being in a tough, passionate conference but it'll be worth it in the end. NO MORE PAC REFS!!!
It will be nice to be mad at a different group of refs for a change.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:48 am
by EastCoastCat
And I'm going to love some of time zone benefits!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:04 am
by enfuego
Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:32 pm Cannot wait for Enfugo to start posting here again! It’s on!
Had to go look up my password. Welcome to the Big 12 and I will enjoy the perennial beat down we will be giving you in basketball.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:08 am
by Alieberman
enfuego wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:04 am
Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:32 pm Cannot wait for Enfugo to start posting here again! It’s on!
Had to go look up my password. Welcome to the Big 12 and I will enjoy the perennial beat down we will be giving you in basketball.
Enjoy your technical wins against us!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:10 am
by Chicat
enfuego wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:04 am
Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:32 pm Cannot wait for Enfugo to start posting here again! It’s on!
Had to go look up my password. Welcome to the Big 12 and I will enjoy the perennial beat down we will be giving you in basketball.
I can tell you typed that with your chest puffed out and your head held high. Hope your Jaychickens don’t disappoint you. Of course we’ll never know because you never post after they lose.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:11 am
by enfuego
Alieberman wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:08 am
enfuego wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:04 am
Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:32 pm Cannot wait for Enfugo to start posting here again! It’s on!
Had to go look up my password. Welcome to the Big 12 and I will enjoy the perennial beat down we will be giving you in basketball.
Enjoy your technical wins against us!
Yo, those were legit technical losses UA suffered to both Colorado and Utah. We'll be locking the candy machines in Lawrence when you all come to town. I'm excited to watch Kansas play locally and two hours drive.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:12 am
by enfuego
Chicat wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:10 am
enfuego wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:04 am
Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:32 pm Cannot wait for Enfugo to start posting here again! It’s on!
Had to go look up my password. Welcome to the Big 12 and I will enjoy the perennial beat down we will be giving you in basketball.
I can tell you typed that with your chest puffed out and your head held high. Hope your Jaychickens don’t disappoint you. Of course we’ll never know because you never post after they lose.
Get real. I don't pull that crap.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 1:51 pm
by TheCat
Probably the biggest collapse at the FOG ever. A 37 point second half turnaround. Don't forget to celebrate.

"Salim Stoudamire led a 10-0 run to open the second half and No. 1 Arizona stunned No. 6 Kansas by storming back from a 20-point deficit for a 91-74 victory Saturday."

Please don't forget your recent struggles against lower division PAC team. Hell you are 0-2 against the mighty Sun Devils.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:04 am
by Chicat
enfuego wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:12 am
Chicat wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:10 am
enfuego wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:04 am
Alieberman wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:32 pm Cannot wait for Enfugo to start posting here again! It’s on!
Had to go look up my password. Welcome to the Big 12 and I will enjoy the perennial beat down we will be giving you in basketball.
I can tell you typed that with your chest puffed out and your head held high. Hope your Jaychickens don’t disappoint you. Of course we’ll never know because you never post after they lose.
Get real. I don't pull that crap.
Sure you do. But now that it’s been called out I guess we’ll see what happens.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:44 am
by scumdevils86
Chicat wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:14 pm
scumdevils86 wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:30 pm I will miss the few road trips I got to take to Oregon, LA, Colorado etc. Lubbock
, Morgantown, Manhattan, and Stillwater don't make me want to hop a plane. I preferred being associated with the West Coast so that blows but it was time to old yeller this thing I guess.
Colorado trip won’t change.

Morgantown is a riot. Went there once and partied about as hard as I ever have.

I’ll grant you Manhattan, Stillwater, and Lubbock should be avoided like the clap.

But Phog?? Dallas? Houston? Cincy? Hell yes! Might even combine a UCF game with a Disneyworld trip. Let’s go!
Fair enough, 50/50. I know the travel is less ideal for those of us in AZ. I am looking forward to some potential benefits in start times for bball and football though. Maybe less 9 pm basketball tips and 8 pm football kicks.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:44 am
by UAdevil
My wife is a KU alum. Already thinking of a trip to Lawrence for a game down the line. We're stoked.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:54 am
by ASUHATER!
True maybe we'll actually get some 5 pm kickoffs now

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:49 am
by PHXCATS
Every single home game is gonna be between 7 and 8pm. Every single one

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:52 am
by Chicat

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 1:23 pm
by RondaeShimmy
Iowa St is the about the same distance to Washington

Kansas is closer than Washington

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:34 pm
by AZCatGirl
PHXCATS wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:49 am Every single home game is gonna be between 7 and 8pm. Every single one
Well you've certainly been spot on with your predictions so far.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:49 pm
by PHXCATS
AZCatGirl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:34 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:49 am Every single home game is gonna be between 7 and 8pm. Every single one
Well you've certainly been spot on with your predictions so far.
Want to wager on it?

I bet every home football game in 2024 will start at 7pm or later Arizona time

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:30 pm
by dovecanyoncat
PHXCATS wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:49 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:34 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:49 am Every single home game is gonna be between 7 and 8pm. Every single one
Well you've certainly been spot on with your predictions so far.
Want to wager on it?

I bet every home football game in 2024 will start at 7pm or later Arizona time
My first choice is for you to move to Albania and drink bleach, but I never get what I want the way I want it. That's rule #1.

Rule #2 doesn't work in this circumstance, so GET A FUCKING PASSPORT!

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:30 pm
by KillerKlown
When was the last time Arizona had every home game start at 7pm or later local time? Has it ever happened?

Anyway...

Arizona already has/had KSU scheduled in '24 as a non conference opponent.
Do they keep them for that same week and schedule another out of conference opponent for later in the season? Maybe just cancel that game and find a different out of conference opponent for the same week?

Edit: in football

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:05 am
by azcat49
PHXCATS wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:49 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:34 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:49 am Every single home game is gonna be between 7 and 8pm. Every single one
Well you've certainly been spot on with your predictions so far.
Want to wager on that ?

I bet every home football game in 2024 will start at 7pm or later Arizona time
I would take that bet since the territorial cup game will likely be showcased along with the holy war game as they will jump immediately to the best two rivalry games in the conference and they will want to showcase those games on the networks

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:48 am
by Alieberman
I'm curious how playing in a league where a majority of the teams are not in the Pacific timezone is going to make our average game start time later than it currently is?

Then again... I'm curious as to the rational of most of Machina''s thoughts....

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:38 am
by FreeSpiritCat
Alieberman wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:48 am I'm curious how playing in a league where a majority of the teams are not in the Pacific timezone is going to make our average game start time later than it currently is?

Then again... I'm curious as to the rational of most of Machina''s thoughts....
I'd like to see Arizona be part of the mountain time zone where it is always an hour ahead of the west coast. That would mean all the games west of Ohio would be 0-1 hour time difference.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:46 am
by EastCoastCat
Time to show ECC some loving. Every hour a game is not near my bed time will be a plus.

Having said that, I think a little rep is in order for years and years of staying up to the wee hours watching games and even contributing to game threads.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:19 am
by azgreg
Alieberman wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:48 am I'm curious how playing in a league where a majority of the teams are not in the Pacific timezone is going to make our average game start time later than it currently is?

Then again... I'm curious as to the rational of most of Machina''s thoughts....
If FOX or ESPN wants a late game and either us or ASSu are home I can see a late kickoff coming our way.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:26 am
by ProfessorFate
PHXCATS wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:49 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:34 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:49 am Every single home game is gonna be between 7 and 8pm. Every single one
Well you've certainly been spot on with your predictions so far.
Want to wager on it?

I bet every home football game in 2024 will start at 7pm or later Arizona time
Your original post said every single home game will start between 7 and 8pm, not 7pm or later. Stop moving the goal post.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:28 am
by Alieberman
azgreg wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:19 am
Alieberman wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:48 am I'm curious how playing in a league where a majority of the teams are not in the Pacific timezone is going to make our average game start time later than it currently is?

Then again... I'm curious as to the rational of most of Machina''s thoughts....
If FOX or ESPN wants a late game and either us or ASSu are home I can see a late kickoff coming our way.
For sure... but that was already happening.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:30 am
by FreeSpiritCat
azgreg wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:19 am
Alieberman wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:48 am I'm curious how playing in a league where a majority of the teams are not in the Pacific timezone is going to make our average game start time later than it currently is?

Then again... I'm curious as to the rational of most of Machina''s thoughts....
If FOX or ESPN wants a late game and either us or ASSu are home I can see a late kickoff coming our way.
At least it will be shown on Fox or ESPN and not the Pac-12 Network.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:39 am
by Chicat
EastCoastCat wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:46 am Time to show ECC some loving. Every hour a game is not near my bed time will be a plus.

Having said that, I think a little rep is in order for years and years of staying up to the wee hours watching games and even contributing to game threads.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I’ve been talking the wife’s ear off for days about the move to the Big12 and she said yesterday, “All I want to know is if you’ll still be coming to bed at 1am pissed off because Arizona lost.”

“Now it won’t be EVERY week” was my answer.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:39 am
by PHXCATS
Alieberman wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:48 am I'm curious how playing in a league where a majority of the teams are not in the Pacific timezone is going to make our average game start time later than it currently is?

Then again... I'm curious as to the rational of most of Machina''s thoughts....
In the Big 12 agreement with fox and espn there was the pro rata extension for any power 5 school jointing the big 12 (I believe up to 4 additional schools). Meaning the new schools would get full shares and the overall tv deal for the conference would automatically increase without negations with the networks.

Well no one would leave the B1G or SEC for the Big 12 and the ACC is in a close to unbreakable GOR with huge buyouts so that was obviously written for potential PAC-12 teams.

Now why would espn and fox do that and not care which Pac-12 teams were coming on? The networks didn’t even need to approve. Because the one valuable thing the PAC12 has that no one else does. Power schools that can play home games in the 10pm eastern windows. That is why they added that and that is why there is an excellent case that the PAC12 would have in suing espn and fox.

Fox can use big fox or fs1 now for power games in that window and espn can use espn espn 2 or espnu for those games. They are gonna want to use as many as possible in that slow. Thus why every UA home football game is gonna be 7pm or later

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:47 am
by FreeSpiritCat
PHXCATS wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:39 am
Alieberman wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:48 am I'm curious how playing in a league where a majority of the teams are not in the Pacific timezone is going to make our average game start time later than it currently is?

Then again... I'm curious as to the rational of most of Machina''s thoughts....
In the Big 12 agreement with fox and espn there was the pro rata extension for any power 5 school jointing the big 12 (I believe up to 4 additional schools). Meaning the new schools would get full shares and the overall tv deal for the conference would automatically increase without negations with the networks.

Well no one would leave the B1G or SEC for the Big 12 and the ACC is in a close to unbreakable GOR with huge buyouts so that was obviously written for potential PAC-12 teams.

Now why would espn and fox do that and not care which Pac-12 teams were coming on? The networks didn’t even need to approve. Because the one valuable thing the PAC12 has that no one else does. Power schools that can play home games in the 10pm eastern windows. That is why they added that and that is why there is an excellent case that the PAC12 would have in suing espn and fox.

Fox can use big fox or fs1 now for power games in that window and espn can use espn espn 2 or espnu for those games. They are gonna want to use as many as possible in that slow. Thus why every UA home football game is gonna be 7pm or later
That is not what will happen. It depends on the matchup and how good UA is. For example if Kansas is playing at UA in basketball the game won't be played at 7 pm, and probably played on a Saturday afternoon because it will receive a lot of eyeballs. If UA is good in football a home game with TCU is not going to be played in the evening because of eyeballs. Not all home games are going to be a 7 pm or later. If the Cats are playing NAU then yes, the game will start late.

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:53 am
by FreeSpiritCat
This is the link for the Robbins and Heeke press conference from the official sports website of Arizona. It starts at 9 am.

https://pac-12.com/live/university-arizona

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:47 am
by PHXCATS
Catintheheat wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:47 am
PHXCATS wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:39 am
Alieberman wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:48 am I'm curious how playing in a league where a majority of the teams are not in the Pacific timezone is going to make our average game start time later than it currently is?

Then again... I'm curious as to the rational of most of Machina''s thoughts....
In the Big 12 agreement with fox and espn there was the pro rata extension for any power 5 school jointing the big 12 (I believe up to 4 additional schools). Meaning the new schools would get full shares and the overall tv deal for the conference would automatically increase without negations with the networks.

Well no one would leave the B1G or SEC for the Big 12 and the ACC is in a close to unbreakable GOR with huge buyouts so that was obviously written for potential PAC-12 teams.

Now why would espn and fox do that and not care which Pac-12 teams were coming on? The networks didn’t even need to approve. Because the one valuable thing the PAC12 has that no one else does. Power schools that can play home games in the 10pm eastern windows. That is why they added that and that is why there is an excellent case that the PAC12 would have in suing espn and fox.

Fox can use big fox or fs1 now for power games in that window and espn can use espn espn 2 or espnu for those games. They are gonna want to use as many as possible in that slow. Thus why every UA home football game is gonna be 7pm or later
That is not what will happen. It depends on the matchup and how good UA is. For example if Kansas is playing at UA in basketball the game won't be played at 7 pm, and probably played on a Saturday afternoon because it will receive a lot of eyeballs. If UA is good in football a home game with TCU is not going to be played in the evening because of eyeballs. Not all home games are going to be a 7 pm or later. If the Cats are playing NAU then yes, the game will start late.
Lets make a bet on it then. $100 to the winner's choice of charity? Something lese?

Re: ARIZONA JOINS BIG 12 CONFERENCE

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:05 am
by FreeSpiritCat
I don't gamble.