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UAEebs86 wrote:All the service academies do it because of the size of their lineman and the inability to sustain blocks against D1 teams to run offenses that rely on passing or grinding it out between the tackles.ChooChooCat wrote:If we're hiring a coach who runs the triple option we're better off bulldozing the stadium.
Until he proves he can run a different system efficiently, I don’t want him.UAEebs86 wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:If we're hiring a coach who runs the triple option we're better off bulldozing the stadium.
Why do we assume he would run triple option here? All the service academies do it because of the size of their lineman and the inability to sustain blocks against D1 teams to run offenses that rely on passing or grinding it out between the tackles.
He's never ran another system his entire career and even if he runs something else our plan is to hire a guy to implement a system he's never ran before? Great plan!UAEebs86 wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:If we're hiring a coach who runs the triple option we're better off bulldozing the stadium.
Why do we assume he would run triple option here? All the service academies do it because of the size of their lineman and the inability to sustain blocks against D1 teams to run offenses that rely on passing or grinding it out between the tackles.
"Great guy"TucsonClip wrote:We are going to hire a coach who has never installed the offense he is going to run? Or he runs the triple option? How does that pass any test?
My dad's a great guy who will coach for cheap. Why not at this point?RondaeShimmy wrote:"Great guy"TucsonClip wrote:We are going to hire a coach who has never installed the offense he is going to run? Or he runs the triple option? How does that pass any test?
No.TucsonClip wrote:We are going to hire a coach who has never installed the offense he is going to run? Or he runs the triple option? How does that pass any test?
That a lot of money, but you don’t let him come to Tucson knowing that number and letting him leave without a deal close to thatMerkin wrote:Those sandwiches at Rincon Market are pretty pricey.
Missed that post the first time, but bears repeating.ramcat wrote:Some Good background on Sumlin. Interesting was born in same, really small town as Fred Snowden in Alabama.
http://allsportstucson.com/2018/01/06/n ... ext-coach/" target="_blank
Anyone who negatively works race into this should be banned from posting for a week. It's 2018 and plenty of us on here are "millennials who get it" and should be allowed to sh*t all over anyone who parrots this angering crap.Chicat wrote:The smiley I included might indicate to people that I was playing around to see who would take the bait. I guess I sunk the hook.jimson wrote:Not sure if I'm allowed to say this but the problem with Affirmative Action hires is that criteria often becomes more important than all things being equal, as in a choice between 2 coaches fired from their last stop, one would pick the one without a national championship and worse records. Or in my case, shilling for Hunley, but that has nothing to do with race but his passion and I believe, his willingness to crawl from CA on his knees to coach here and truly give it his all.Chicat wrote:I’d prefer a qualified African American coach if he’s available and has mutual interest, all other things being equal. How many White guys we had in a row now?jimson wrote:Or maybe some of you are all in his jock simply because he's black?chiefzona wrote:Sumlin would be a home run hire for Arizona. That’s it and that’s all. I’ve heard all the bitching about him and I honestly believe some of it is angry Aggie racist guy who wanted a white guy in there. Well y’all got Big Jimbo! Yeehaw!
If it is Sumlin, I can’t wait to hear complaints about this being an “affirmative action hire” quickly followed by, “Look, I’m not racist. I knew this Black dude once...”
It’s gonna be tremendous.
No smiley, but I seemed to have done the same thing LOL. There are legitimate reasons why one might want Sumlin over Miles. One being he is a bit younger. I would pass on both myself especially if they are demanding too much money, but I would be OK with a Sumlln hire if that works out. No matter who it is I damn sure want them to stop shunning legendary alumni like RR did. For a place that supposedly has no tradition, that's stupid. We should have Affirmative Action for alumni coaches.Chicat wrote:The smiley I included might indicate to people that I was playing around to see who would take the bait. I guess I sunk the hook.jimson wrote:Not sure if I'm allowed to say this but the problem with Affirmative Action hires is that criteria often becomes more important than all things being equal, as in a choice between 2 coaches fired from their last stop, one would pick the one without a national championship and worse records. Or in my case, shilling for Hunley, but that has nothing to do with race but his passion and I believe, his willingness to crawl from CA on his knees to coach here and truly give it his all.Chicat wrote:I’d prefer a qualified African American coach if he’s available and has mutual interest, all other things being equal. How many White guys we had in a row now?jimson wrote:Or maybe some of you are all in his jock simply because he's black?chiefzona wrote:Sumlin would be a home run hire for Arizona. That’s it and that’s all. I’ve heard all the bitching about him and I honestly believe some of it is angry Aggie racist guy who wanted a white guy in there. Well y’all got Big Jimbo! Yeehaw!
If it is Sumlin, I can’t wait to hear complaints about this being an “affirmative action hire” quickly followed by, “Look, I’m not racist. I knew this Black dude once...”
It’s gonna be tremendous.
That's a really cool connection.Merkin wrote:Missed that post the first time, but bears repeating.ramcat wrote:Some Good background on Sumlin. Interesting was born in same, really small town as Fred Snowden in Alabama.
http://allsportstucson.com/2018/01/06/n ... ext-coach/" target="_blank
He's ran it for 15 years now. Do you even want him to attempt to run something else?UAEebs86 wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:If we're hiring a coach who runs the triple option we're better off bulldozing the stadium.
Why do we assume he would run triple option here? All the service academies do it because of the size of their lineman and the inability to sustain blocks against D1 teams to run offenses that rely on passing or grinding it out between the tackles.
Winning is the test for anyone. Niumatalolo's biggest issue, IMO, would be that it would be difficult to win right off the bat bc our current personnel is a bad fit for the scheme he's run in the past.Chicat wrote:WildcatAuthority (24/7 - formerly Scout - Scheer’s site) seems to be going all in on this Ken Niumatalolo hire.
I think I speak for a number of out-of-state alums of a certain household income when I say with that hire I’d need 2-3 years of consistent winning to drum up the enthusiasm to travel to see the Cats play, or to give money to the AD.
This was wavedIrish27 wrote:The UofA can't release the name of the new coach until after 10 days from the day the job was posted. I think that day is tomorrow.
Got a waiverIrish27 wrote:The UofA can't release the name of the new coach until after 10 days from the day the job was posted. I think that day is tomorrow.
Oh, if the wildcats made the Rose Bowl the first year or play offs you would travel to see the cats. Now 8-4 might not, but there are situations where you would. Just poking you.Chicat wrote:WildcatAuthority (24/7 - formerly Scout - Scheer’s site) seems to be going all in on this Ken Niumatalolo hire.
I think I speak for a number of out-of-state alums of a certain household income when I say with that hire I’d need 2-3 years of consistent winning to drum up the enthusiasm to travel to see the Cats play, or to give money to the AD.
Hire Sumlin, retain Yates, keep Tate ...... I’d be inclined to go to Houston or come back to Tucson for SC or Oregon.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Winning is the test for anyone. Niumatalolo's biggest issue, IMO, would be that it would be difficult to win right off the bat bc our current personnel is a bad fit for the scheme he's run in the past.Chicat wrote:WildcatAuthority (24/7 - formerly Scout - Scheer’s site) seems to be going all in on this Ken Niumatalolo hire.
I think I speak for a number of out-of-state alums of a certain household income when I say with that hire I’d need 2-3 years of consistent winning to drum up the enthusiasm to travel to see the Cats play, or to give money to the AD.
With RR’s recruits and players? Only if the subsequent recruiting class had a bunch of 4-star kids. And even then I’d be wary.OSUCat wrote:Oh, if the wildcats made the Rose Bowl the first year or play offs you would travel to see the cats. Now 8-4 might not, but there are situations where you would. Just poking you.Chicat wrote:WildcatAuthority (24/7 - formerly Scout - Scheer’s site) seems to be going all in on this Ken Niumatalolo hire.
I think I speak for a number of out-of-state alums of a certain household income when I say with that hire I’d need 2-3 years of consistent winning to drum up the enthusiasm to travel to see the Cats play, or to give money to the AD.
I'm not in the camp that any rumored candidate is good enough where I wouldn't want to see results before buying in. Sumlin is probably the best of the recently fired, but he's recently fired for on field performance issues. He just reminds me of RR so much, which has upsides and downsides.Chicat wrote:Hire Sumlin, retain Yates, keep Tate ...... I’d be inclined to go to Houston or come back to Tucson for SC or Oregon.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Winning is the test for anyone. Niumatalolo's biggest issue, IMO, would be that it would be difficult to win right off the bat bc our current personnel is a bad fit for the scheme he's run in the past.Chicat wrote:WildcatAuthority (24/7 - formerly Scout - Scheer’s site) seems to be going all in on this Ken Niumatalolo hire.
I think I speak for a number of out-of-state alums of a certain household income when I say with that hire I’d need 2-3 years of consistent winning to drum up the enthusiasm to travel to see the Cats play, or to give money to the AD.
Hire Niumatalolo and I’m going to need to see 8-10 wins the next couple of years before I’m going anywhere for Arizona Football. He just does not move the needle for me.
This is why it is a no for me. It is so boring. It's a waste of the good offensive talent that comes out on the west.Merkin wrote:But the primary reason it will fail in Tucson is that it's a really boring offense. I went to a Poly game a couple years ago, and the only pass they threw the first half was at the end of the half.
That's AZ football. Has been for 40 years since we joined the PAC. Why change now?RondaeShimmy wrote:Seems like we're signing up for 6-8 wins every year at best.
Looks like we'll be doing this in another 6-8 years because he'll get an extension somewhere
This!!!Merkin wrote:No one gives a shit about race in college football. It's just win baby win. Nothing else.
Tired of reading about the race angle.
Reminds me of all the comments when RichRod was hired and they wanted to push his name on the Tucson Latino community.
btfd16 wrote:If Niumatalolo was hired, would we ever get a WR commit?
Only blocking WR's!chiefzona wrote:btfd16 wrote:If Niumatalolo was hired, would we ever get a WR commit?
Best question I've seen in awhile.
Pretty sure that was waived decades ago.btfd16 wrote: I was unaware of this. Interesting. That sucks for him, but if he turned down BYU, I don't see him saying yes to Arizona (nor do I want him to).
You're correct. No way that still exists.Merkin wrote:Pretty sure that was waived decades ago.btfd16 wrote: I was unaware of this. Interesting. That sucks for him, but if he turned down BYU, I don't see him saying yes to Arizona (nor do I want him to).
Look at the AFA roster.
http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-de ... orce/89877" target="_blank
I hate to keep beating what many will probably see as a dead horse, but how this thing gets set up might be more important than who specifically you hire. As you say, if we can get Beau at $1.6-$1.8M area and get him to act as his own OC, we might be able to pony up $1.5M for a super elite DC and possibly even $400K for an elite West coast recruiter which might put us in a good position for success going forward.DrWildcat wrote:At this point this hire should be pretty simple. If Sumlin wants to come and you have the money then hire him. If not, hire the bright up and comer like Baldwin. Start him out cheap, in the $1.6-$1.8M range. That way you save money to either pay him more if he does well or bank the saved money to pay up for a possibly better coach down the line.
