Fired Casteel

illcat · Post by **illcat** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:00 pm

I'll post it again, RR must owe casteel BIG TIME!

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:14 pm

chiefzona wrote:
Dkenner wrote:does anyone know how good of a DB coach Addae is yet? cause I got a cousin flipping burgers that thinks he can coach too!

Hey DK.....Lockwood was garbage. This Addae kid hasn't even coached one game as a CB coach. We all know the real problem is Casteel but hey, let's get your cousin in the mix.

Learn to use Google. Addae was RB coach at Cincy, and graduate assistant coaching DB's (last time I checked, CB was a DB, right?) at Michigan. Dude was also an all conference DB in college - I know it doesn't stack up to "Salty Internet Guy" as yourself, but the dude is probably a good coach and a young, energetic guy. Which can be a good combo for recruiting.

Back to the Casteel thing...the dude has had top 10 defenses in the past and has a good rep, once again he's not as well known as you, the "Salty Internet Guy", but I'll take his track record over yours any day.

You are picking and choosing your phrases and facts very cleverly, being the "Salty Internet Guy" that you are, but I don't see what your motivation is. Not building your business - being a jackass isn't good for business. Especially in the role you play as a mentor to these kids.

Just sayin....

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:03 pm

wyo-cat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
Dkenner wrote:does anyone know how good of a DB coach Addae is yet? cause I got a cousin flipping burgers that thinks he can coach too!

Hey DK.....Lockwood was garbage. This Addae kid hasn't even coached one game as a CB coach. We all know the real problem is Casteel but hey, let's get your cousin in the mix.
Learn to use Google. Addae was RB coach at Cincy, and graduate assistant coaching DB's (last time I checked, CB was a DB, right?) at Michigan. Dude was also an all conference DB in college - I know it doesn't stack up to "Salty Internet Guy" as yourself, but the dude is probably a good coach and a young, energetic guy. Which can be a good combo for recruiting.

Back to the Casteel thing...the dude has had top 10 defenses in the past and has a good rep, once again he's not as well known as you, the "Salty Internet Guy", but I'll take his track record over yours any day.

You are picking and choosing your phrases and facts very cleverly, being the "Salty Internet Guy" that you are, but I don't see what your motivation is. Not building your business - being a jackass isn't good for business. Especially in the role you play as a mentor to these kids.

Just sayin....

Oh, I'm just playing around with my buddy DK. CB meaning he hasn't even coached up corners and that's a big eyesore on this team. Safeties are tough to coach in this system so that'll be a big challenge as well. I knew he was a RB coach but why mention it when it's completely irrelevant to coaching DBs. Casteel is unreal as a DC and he's one of the best in the game.

Thanks for the tip but I don't compromise my thoughts and feelings for anyone let alone my business. I'm not a local hack or profiteer who uses canned statements and feel good comments to polish a terd. Business is good btw and if me being a jackass helps to turn people away, well that's a good thing. Thanks for the tips and for the salty internet guy. That was clever.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:23 pm

It's spelled "turd".

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:32 pm

Chicat wrote:It's spelled "turd".

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:14 pm

catinfl wrote:Addae is a proven recruiter. Did well at Cincinnati
"Addae has also been recognized by Rivals.com as one of the top-10 recruiters in the BIG EAST Conference in 2010-11."http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-foot ... ile00.html

Forgive me for not getting too excited about Lockwoods demise. While he certainly deserved it RRod chose to replace him not with someone with Western recruiting ties (which we badly need) but with someone who is acknowledged for being a top recruiter in the Big East. It appears that RRod is intent on keeping a staff that is constructed for running a program on the East Coast, not the PAC12.

The day that RRod sacks Casteel & Kirlawich (sp?) and replaces them with West Coast based assistants will be the day that RRod demonstrates that he is trying to build a long term program at AZ. Until then, he's just treading water until he can high-tail it back east on his own terms.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:18 pm

He did that with Robert Anae and then when he left he hired the CAL OLine coach (coach Mic) but no doubt he likes his buddies.

I am willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt as I have heard he really is a good recruiter. Time will tell.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:48 pm

azcat49 wrote:He did that with Robert Anae and then when he left he hired the CAL OLine coach (coach Mic) but no doubt he likes his buddies.

I am willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt as I have heard he really is a good recruiter. Time will tell.

For real Cat fans, we have no choice but to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he succeeds.

But I am reluctant to buy into this 'he is a great recruiter' talk track that Scheer initiated. Yes, I know he was rated one of the 10 best recruiting assistants in the Big East while he was at Cincinnati (decent accolade, but let's not get carried away). Recruiting is the lifeblood of every college program, and a great recruiter with position coach experience would have been on the trail for somebody... and not working in our film room these past 3 (or however many) seasons.

I remember reading how Ragle was going to give us a big edge in recruiting the Valley. Yawn.

Rhetoric is part of the game, I get that. But when it does not pass the smell test - don't blame those of us who don't buy into it.

I will be ecstatic to eat crow if this guy moves the needle with our '17 class.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:59 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
azcat49 wrote:He did that with Robert Anae and then when he left he hired the CAL OLine coach (coach Mic) but no doubt he likes his buddies.

I am willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt as I have heard he really is a good recruiter. Time will tell.
For real Cat fans, we have no choice but to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he succeeds.

But I am reluctant to buy into this 'he is a great recruiter' talk track that Scheer initiated. Yes, I know he was rated one of the 10 best recruiting assistants in the Big East while he was at Cincinnati (decent accolade, but let's not get carried away). Recruiting is the lifeblood of every college program, and a great recruiter with position coach experience would have been on the trail for somebody... and not working in our film room these past 3 (or however many) seasons.

I remember reading how Ragle was going to give us a big edge in recruiting the Valley. Yawn.

Rhetoric is part of the game, I get that. But when it does not pass the smell test - don't blame those of us who don't buy into it.

I will be ecstatic to eat crow if this guy moves the needle with our '17 class.

Agree 100%. At this point, I have almost felt Ragle has hurt our recruiting in the valley as I have heard rumors many of the other area coaches do not like him from his time at Chapparal. We also have gotten some Chapparal players but none have made a major difference so far.

I think this recruiting class could be the first that I can remember that does not have a Phoenix area player in it.

Dkenner · Post by **Dkenner** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:23 pm

anyone watching this WV/Asu game and see what the 335 is supposed to look like?

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:50 pm

Which one? Both teams play it.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:52 am

Dkenner wrote:anyone watching this WV/Asu game and see what the 335 is supposed to look like?

Neither WV or ASU played any defense last night so I guess I did see what the 335 was supposed to look like...just terrible

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:41 am

Casteel was fired!

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:42 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattGOAZCATS ... 0980413440

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:42 am

Newportcat wrote:Casteel was fired!

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:43 am

Wow, didn't see that coming.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:44 am

I guess rich Rod isn't that loyal after all...wow big move and who would you guys like us to get?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:45 am

. My work is done here.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:47 am

dmjcat wrote:
catinfl wrote:Addae is a proven recruiter. Did well at Cincinnati
"Addae has also been recognized by Rivals.com as one of the top-10 recruiters in the BIG EAST Conference in 2010-11."http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-foot ... ile00.html

Forgive me for not getting too excited about Lockwoods demise. While he certainly deserved it RRod chose to replace him not with someone with Western recruiting ties (which we badly need) but with someone who is acknowledged for being a top recruiter in the Big East. It appears that RRod is intent on keeping a staff that is constructed for running a program on the East Coast, not the PAC12.

The day that RRod sacks Casteel & Kirlawich (sp?) and replaces them with West Coast based assistants will be the day that RRod demonstrates that he is trying to build a long term program at AZ. Until then, he's just treading water until he can high-tail it back east on his own terms.

Maybe he is trying to build a program here then

Love this move to fire the coaches after four years of pretty bad defensive football

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:47 am

The big question now is does RR stick with the 3-3-5?

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:49 am

Peace Casteel. Hoping you take the 3-3-5 with you

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:52 am

Shocking. I just didn't see this happening.

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:52 am

Wow. I'm shocked that it actually happened. Would have thought the position coaches would go first, then Casteel. But... OK... who are we looking at as his replacement?

What do you guys think?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:54 am

Wonder if the hammer came down from Byrne? Casteel and RR were drinking buddies going way back. You would have thought RR would have given them one more year to get vested in the state retirement system.

Looks like the video guy will be the best recruiter left...

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azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:54 am

Maybe look to a playoff contender and steal their DC. Some guy named Mike Stoops.

/kidding

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:55 am

RR still likes the 3-3-5, so I'm guessing it stays. What will probably change is how aggressive we are with blitzes. When played correctly, there should always be at least 4 guys rushing the passer. When you play it conservatively like Casteel, you end up giving the QB plenty of time to throw with big passing lanes, and RBs nice wide-open holes in the line until they get to the second level.

chiefzona wrote:My work is done here.

Bon Voyage to you and Casteel.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:59 am

I wouldn't expect a 4-3 defense anytime soon.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:59 am

Chicat wrote:RR still likes the 3-3-5, so I'm guessing it stays. What will probably change is how aggressive we are with blitzes. When played correctly, there should always be at least 4 guys rushing the passer. When you play it conservatively like Casteel, you end up giving the QB plenty of time to throw with big passing lanes, and RBs nice wide-open holes in the line until they get to the second level.

Yep, rushing 3 and dropping back 8 into coverage only works against crummy QBs. Anyone half decent gets career games against that defense.

Especially when the UA DBs are a step slower and 6" shorter than the receivers.

Always rush 4, just disguising where the 4th is coming from.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:00 am

oh wow. well....it can't get any worse. interested to see what we do.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:01 am

I think Wilcox got thrown under the bus a bit at USC as their DC. Major west coast connections

I would really like to hire a guy who

1. Actually recruits
2. Has west coast connections
3. Doesn't run the 335

I would say this firing has raised my excitement level for next year for sure as the thought of watching casteel running the 335 made me sick

uacat540 · Post by **uacat540** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:03 am

This has an undertone of my favorite man, Byrne. With a huge retention bonus upcoming, RR's flirting with SC, it sounds like Byrne said enough is enough and saw that Arizona was headed backwards without significant changes. Hate that we are all happy that 2 people lost their jobs, families have to move etc, but this was needed. I still want pendergast here with ogeron as a d line coach. That would finally show a commitment of serious levels on behalf of Arizona to football. Man has there been a better weekend than ASU craping down its leg in both sports and a well needed staff shake up on the Arizona front?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:04 am

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:04 am

Newportcat wrote:I think Wilcox got thrown under the bus a bit at USC as their DC. Major west coast connections

I would really like to hire a guy who

1. Actually recruits
2. Has west coast connections
3. Doesn't run the 335

I would say this firing has raised my excitement level for next year for sure as the thought of watching casteel running the 335 made me sick

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:05 am

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:07 am

Pendergrast would be very interesting...

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:07 am

Merkin wrote:
Chicat wrote:RR still likes the 3-3-5, so I'm guessing it stays. What will probably change is how aggressive we are with blitzes. When played correctly, there should always be at least 4 guys rushing the passer. When you play it conservatively like Casteel, you end up giving the QB plenty of time to throw with big passing lanes, and RBs nice wide-open holes in the line until they get to the second level.
Yep, rushing 3 and dropping back 8 into coverage only works against crummy QBs. Anyone half decent gets career games against that defense.

Especially when the UA DBs are a step slower and 6" shorter than the receivers.

Always rush 4, just disguising where the 4th is coming from.

That's they key to the 3-3-5. Another guy is coming, you just don't know where he's coming from. I think Casteel was too worried about the secondary to send more blitzers and then with the QB having extra time the secondary was going to have trouble anyway. Against USC and Utah they were much more aggressive on defense and it showed. USC has a stud o-line and they were knocking Kessler all over the place.

RR is in uncharted waters here. He's without Casteel but this time it's by his own choice. We'll see if he stays 3-3-5 or if he switches up philosophy. Rodriguez has said many times that even though it's a 3 man front they've got a fourth guy at the line quite a bit, which makes me wonder if he's not going to stay 3-3-5 but have a DC run it with a different philosophy. It has worked before, not just at West Virginia but at other places including South Carolina. It wasn't working here, under conservative play calling. Oughta be a fun next few days.

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:08 am

I'd like to believe that RR learned his lesson at Michigan when he tried to make two unfamiliar DCs run the 3-3-5 and both failed miserably. He's not going to get a top DC candidate to Tucson to run the 3-3-5, or without giving complete defensive control. Hopefully it's gone.

Is Justin Wilcox available?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:09 am

Is it possible that this was mandated by GB?

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:11 am

I hope they shitcan the 3-3-5... I just worry that RR loves it more than he loved Casteel. His defenses at Michigan sucked and the scheme is the one constant at both places (aside from him).

I think our defense is going to be weak for a while anyhow because of personnel issues. I'd just as soon flush this turd and position ourselves to recruit better defensive prospects in the future.

Seems ridiculous to have named a CB coach when this move was coming. RR hates being micromanaged, but he does not seem to mind doing it... Unless he gives the new DC free reign to make any & all changes he wants to, including Addae.

This smells like Byrne was involved in some way... The Lockwood release appears to have been in response to "changes need to be made". These moves look like round 2 after being told "Not good enough".

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:11 am

azgreg wrote:Is it possible that this was mandated by GB?

I'd doubt it. Athletic directors getting involved in football decisions is a recipe for trouble.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:12 am

uacat540 wrote:This has an undertone of my favorite man, Byrne. With a huge retention bonus upcoming, RR's flirting with SC, it sounds like Byrne said enough is enough and saw that Arizona was headed backwards without significant changes. Hate that we are all happy that 2 people lost their jobs, families have to move etc, but this was needed. I still want pendergast here with ogeron as a d line coach. That would finally show a commitment of serious levels on behalf of Arizona to football. Man has there been a better weekend than ASU craping down its leg in both sports and a well needed staff shake up on the Arizona front?

Heard yesterday that Clancy is going back to USC

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:14 am

http://tucson.com/sports/blogs/uafootba ... 29f77.html" target="_blank

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:15 am

azgreg wrote:

He's from Tucson but is better slated as a DL coach. Decent west coast recruiter.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:18 am

uacat540 wrote:This has an undertone of my favorite man, Byrne. With a huge retention bonus upcoming, RR's flirting with SC, it sounds like Byrne said enough is enough and saw that Arizona was headed backwards without significant changes. Hate that we are all happy that 2 people lost their jobs, families have to move etc, but this was needed. I still want pendergast here with ogeron as a d line coach. That would finally show a commitment of serious levels on behalf of Arizona to football. Man has there been a better weekend than ASU craping down its leg in both sports and a well needed staff shake up on the Arizona front?

I don't feel bad at all for guys who make as much money as casteel made the past couple of years getting fired

He will be just fine and the DL guy can just retire

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:19 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Casteel coach from the sideline? Always thought it was better to have your O and D coordinators up in the booth where they can see the whole field, plus the television game feeds and use that birds-eye view to make adjustments on the fly. Hopefully the next guy we get is in the booth and relaying stuff down to the position coaches.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:25 am

wyo-cat wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
Dkenner wrote:does anyone know how good of a DB coach Addae is yet? cause I got a cousin flipping burgers that thinks he can coach too!

Hey DK.....Lockwood was garbage. This Addae kid hasn't even coached one game as a CB coach. We all know the real problem is Casteel but hey, let's get your cousin in the mix.
Learn to use Google. Addae was RB coach at Cincy, and graduate assistant coaching DB's (last time I checked, CB was a DB, right?) at Michigan. Dude was also an all conference DB in college - I know it doesn't stack up to "Salty Internet Guy" as yourself, but the dude is probably a good coach and a young, energetic guy. Which can be a good combo for recruiting.

Back to the Casteel thing...the dude has had top 10 defenses in the past and has a good rep, once again he's not as well known as you, the "Salty Internet Guy", but I'll take his track record over yours any day.

You are picking and choosing your phrases and facts very cleverly, being the "Salty Internet Guy" that you are, but I don't see what your motivation is. Not building your business - being a jackass isn't good for business. Especially in the role you play as a mentor to these kids.

Just sayin....

Want to revisit that Casteel thing? Even RR disagrees.

Love,

Salty Internet Guy

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:26 am

Chicat wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Casteel coach from the sideline? Always thought it was better to have your O and D coordinators up in the booth where they can see the whole field, plus the television game feeds and use that birds-eye view to make adjustments on the fly. Hopefully the next guy we get is in the booth and relaying stuff down to the position coaches.

I've said that for the last four years but was scoffed. Good perception though.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:31 am

Ok smart guys...who, realistically, do you want to fill the open defensive coaching spots and why?

tgrumpy2 · Post by **tgrumpy2** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:47 am

Hopefully now we can all move on and the haters can find something else to hate. You won't have Casteel to kick around anymore. lol Not that he didn't deserve it. To me moving Addae into the DB coaching position makes more sense now. I think people knew this was coming and they needed someone in the fore front that knew all of the recruits we have committed presently to try and preserve some of the commitments. This is going to be interesting for sure.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:58 am

azgreg wrote:Is it possible that this was mandated by GB?

I think the question should be, is it possible that this was RR's own decision without any pressure. I think the answer to that is no. RR runs the program, but Byrne runs the AD and the boosters also have some say and some pressure. Everyone saw this coming and knew a change had to happen. Still, until recruiting changes significantly, it's all smoke and mirrors regardless of the scheme you run.

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