2017 recruits/commitment thread

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:24 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill
Are any of those 3 committed athletes projected to play RB?

I hope this class finishes ranked where it is currently... that would be positive.

I believe Nathan Tilford is projected as a RB.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:28 am

As I understand the rankings, they only rank the top 25 guys in each class so that no star guy won't impact us negatively. Of course if we get a couple of 4 stars that will bump the lower guys and we will look even stronger.

Many programs though will add guys as they are not up yo 25 yet. I think we will end up 30-35 come signing day

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:19 pm

azcat49 wrote:As I understand the rankings, they only rank the top 25 guys in each class so that no star guy won't impact us negatively. Of course if we get a couple of 4 stars that will bump the lower guys and we will look even stronger.

Many programs though will add guys as they are not up yo 25 yet. I think we will end up 30-35 come signing day

I think when it is all said & done (additional decommits and additions) we will end up around 35, which is slightly better than where we usually are when we sign 25+ recruits. 2014 was our best, 2015 our worst, and this looks to be in between...

In classes with ~20 so signees, we ended #45.

In each full recruiting season und RR, here is where we finished according to Rivals:
2013: #37 with 25 recruits (two 4* and four high 3*)
2014: #28 with 28 recruits (six 4* and four high 3*)
2015: #41 with 25 recruits (zero 4* and four high 3*)
2016: #45 with 20 recruits (two 4* and five high 3*)
2017: #TBD with 28? recruits (three 4* and five high 3*)

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:23 pm

So basically same old, same old. Shocking I tell ya

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:07 pm

azcat49 wrote:So basically same old, same old. Shocking I tell ya

All that matters is that they're OKGs.

-Dudek

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:32 pm

MrMeow wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
azgreg wrote:
whatisee wrote:Current Commits

5 LB's
3 DL
4 Safety's
2 CB's
2 OL
3 ATH
2 WR
2 TE
2 QB's

25 Total

#25 Class on Scout, #29 Scout, #18 Rivals, #31 ESPN for a 25.75 Average

I'm guessing here, but i believe we still have 3 spots to fill
Any of those D lineman over 247 lbs?
The 3 DL are listed as 6'3 260, 6'3 285 and 6'3 310

Which really doesn't matter when the Arizona offense is fast-paced. It wears those big guys out faster than the smaller ones and then you need depth and quick subs to offset it.
Chief, why does it matter to our DLs that Arizona's offense is fast paced and "wears those big guys our faster..."?

Hard to recruit big uglies when they know they are sucking wind all practice and in games because the offense is too fast paced and is killing the defense.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:46 pm

Curious after the success against ASSU if RR rethink the pace of the offense?

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:46 pm

I talked to Schooler a little bit and has a tidbit about Faoliu

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting ... -mater-dei" target="_blank

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:56 pm

Are we going to keep him CATINFL? He is really an important piece to this class

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:45 am

azcat49 wrote:Are we going to keep him CATINFL? He 8s really an important piece to this class

USC is keeping tabs on him if they offer I doubt he stays. Right now I'd bet on him at Arizona, but Washington State is coming hard for him.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:36 pm

catinfl wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Are we going to keep him CATINFL? He 8s really an important piece to this class
USC is keeping tabs on him if they offer I doubt he stays. Right now I'd bet on him at Arizona, but Washington State is coming hard for him.

Very anticlimactic in this era. He's raw and needs some work from a good DL coach.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:45 pm

Chief, his vids look pretty good and he had some nice stats AND he is a big man. Can Amey develope him or are we short on talent at that coaching position?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:22 pm

azcat49 wrote:Chief, his vids look pretty good and he had some nice stats AND he is a big man. Can Amey develope him or are we short on talent at that coaching position?

As far as I'm concerned, the jury is not out yet on Amey as far as coaching the position goes. Recruiting-wise....I have some negative thoughts but he is virtually new at it.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:46 pm

Well damn, I can't think of a more important recruiting position then D Line. Hopefully it's just his youthfulness and inexperience that gives you doubt and not his recognition of talent to recruit.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:34 pm

So what did I miss.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:30 pm

cordera89 wrote:So what did I miss.

Sky is falling. We can't recruit. RR can't coach. Chief thinks he's a genius. The usual

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:25 pm

whatisee wrote:
cordera89 wrote:So what did I miss.
Sky is falling. We can't recruit. RR can't coach. Chief thinks he's a genius. The usual

The gist of your post is accurate.

The only thing happening is recruiting, it is the same-old, same-old... except that we seem to have more decommits than usual.

This should end up a pretty garden-variety RR recruiting class.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:01 am

Harvey Specter wrote: This should end up a pretty garden-variety RR recruiting class.

Proposing this thread be retitled "2017 garden-variety recruits/commitment thread"

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:42 pm

CatsbyAZ wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote: This should end up a pretty garden-variety RR recruiting class.
Proposing this thread be retitled "2017 garden-variety recruits/commitment thread"

... or Same Shit, Different Year.

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:59 pm

Adrian Ealy deciding Thursday.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:08 am

catinfl wrote:Adrian Ealy deciding Thursday.

Would be a big win for us, I just don't see it happening.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:14 am

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:44 am

Tilford enrolling early means he can't get poached. At least we can look forward to having a big, and hopefully durable, RB in the backfield. That should open up some passing and running options for whoever ends-up at QB. I know folks are down on the Cats, and rightly so, but having a good back would be very good for us.

Woodcat · Post by **Woodcat** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:45 am

So with Tilford enrolling early does that mean that he counts against last year, or does he still count against this years class? I was just wondering if this frees up another spot for 2017.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:46 pm

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:50 pm

Woodcat wrote:So with Tilford enrolling early does that mean that he counts against last year, or does he still count against this years class? I was just wondering if this frees up another spot for 2017.

Yes he will count against last years number if possible as we don't know how many scholorships they might have granted to walk on's but one would think they will back date him to last year. With both BB and NT you could say we have room to sign at least 27 plus that one JUCO guy who will come in mid year and that makes 28

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:58 pm

Woodcat wrote:So with Tilford enrolling early does that mean that he counts against last year, or does he still count against this years class? I was just wondering if this frees up another spot for 2017.

I would rather save any spots that go unused for 2017 than just fill the class with warm bodies. At this stage, I am not sure how many legitimate prospects we can add.

There is no benefit to just filling open spots. Get real D1 talent now or wait and get it next year.

PS - Very reassuring that both Tilford and Burmeister appear solid.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:18 pm

They have that big OT, Ealy deciding in the next few days. He is legit and can enroll early. He is deciding between LSU, Oklahoma and us. Fingers crossed. Get that kid in

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:59 pm

Any chance O'Maury Samuels could commit to the UofA?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:04 pm

Irish27 wrote:Any chance O'Maury Samuels could commit to the UofA?

Michigan commit right now but I know we are trying to get him. Others probably know more

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:09 pm

I am really struggling to understand how we could snag some kids late in the game with offers fro OK, LSU, UM, etc...

I would really love to see that happen... it just seems awfully unlikely. When was the last time that happened this late in the cycle?

Tabor I suppose... until he switched.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:56 pm

I hear you but McGee works Louisiana hard and I guess this kid wants to play very early.

Samuels is from New Mexico and we might have some advantages in being closer for his family

Still either one would be a shock

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:33 am

Well looks like Oregon may flip Burmeister at the final hour. If that happens I suggest we blow up the football board for good as there's zero point in its existence. College football recruiting is the most foul cancer ever created.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:39 am

Well he is supposed to start classes Monday and he is the QB of the future and he has a special relationship with Rod Smith. I doubt he flips unless he decides to not enroll early

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:26 am

Hopefully he makes a statement soon.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:40 am

Always adds to the fun of an already self-induced nightmare.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:15 am

Interesting that tweet came from the step dad and not BB. We should just recruit orphans with how many parents seem to sabotage our recruit's commitments to AZ (a la Tabor).

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:20 am

UALoco wrote:Interesting that tweet came from the step dad and not BB. We should just recruit orphans with how many parents seem to sabotage our recruit's commitments to AZ (a la Tabor).

Aikili Smith is a former Oregon QB, and not a step dad as far as I know

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:43 am

whatisee wrote:
UALoco wrote:Interesting that tweet came from the step dad and not BB. We should just recruit orphans with how many parents seem to sabotage our recruit's commitments to AZ (a la Tabor).
Aikili Smith is a former Oregon QB, and not a step dad as far as I know

ah, I read that wrong..he feels like a proud step-dad.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:50 am

UALoco wrote:
whatisee wrote:
UALoco wrote:Interesting that tweet came from the step dad and not BB. We should just recruit orphans with how many parents seem to sabotage our recruit's commitments to AZ (a la Tabor).
Aikili Smith is a former Oregon QB, and not a step dad as far as I know
ah, I read that wrong..he feels like a proud step-dad.

Does that mean he's banging Braxton's mom? That has to work in our favor, right?

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:15 pm

azcat49 wrote:Well he is supposed to start classes Monday and he is the QB of the future and he has a special relationship with Rod Smith. I doubt he flips unless he decides to not enroll early

First day of classes starts on Wednesday, the 11th. Will have to wait two extra days.

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:48 pm

Najee Harris to Michigan= Samuels to Arizona

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:08 pm

On the radio this afternoon they said that if Burmeister is in Tucson on Sunday that means he's going to Arizona. He'd be moving in on campus on Sunday.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:15 pm

catinfl wrote:Najee Harris to Michigan= Samuels to Arizona

My initial response to this post was that it is wishful thinking... but looking at Samuels other offers - this one does not seem so far-fetched.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:29 pm

I think Samuels to AZ is better then 50/50, assuming the Harris kid chooses Michigan

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:36 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:43 pm

I hate college recruiting.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:14 pm

If Burmeister is a no-show next week, Byrne should take the first offer Texas makes for him and go become AD at a real football school. Rich Rod seems committed to blowing up the whole works before he's either forced to go back to the announcer's booth or flim-flam the next AD in Tucson into a couple more years.

But, and I say this as a passionate alum, the Arizona football program has turned into something clearly undeserving of someone of Greg Byrne's caliber. This isn't a Ced Dempsey situation where he didn't make a high enough offer to Larry Smith...this is one of the best college athletic administrators in the country who should go to where he has all the tools to win a national title, which is his true level of talent.

Arizona football is going to suck him down the drain if he sticks around, as the program is being out-recruited at a sad pace that is just cratering it. Nobody in the big markets takes us seriously enough anymore to put together a Pac-12 contender, and regardless of his level of responsibility for it, RichRod knows it.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:37 pm

catgrad97 wrote:If Burmeister is a no-show next week, Byrne should take the first offer Texas makes for him and go become AD at a real football school. Rich Rod seems committed to blowing up the whole works before he's either forced to go back to the announcer's booth or flim-flam the next AD in Tucson into a couple more years.

But, and I say this as a passionate alum, the Arizona football program has turned into something clearly undeserving of someone of Greg Byrne's caliber. This isn't a Ced Dempsey situation where he didn't make a high enough offer to Larry Smith...this is one of the best college athletic administrators in the country who should go to where he has all the tools to win a national title, which is his true level of talent.

Arizona football is going to suck him down the drain if he sticks around, as the program is being out-recruited at a sad pace that is just cratering it. Nobody in the big markets takes us seriously enough anymore to put together a Pac-12 contender, and regardless of his level of responsibility for it, RichRod knows it.

Dude, calm down. Nothings happened yet.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:32 am

catgrad97 wrote:If Burmeister is a no-show next week, Byrne should take the first offer Texas makes for him and go become AD at a real football school. Rich Rod seems committed to blowing up the whole works before he's either forced to go back to the announcer's booth or flim-flam the next AD in Tucson into a couple more years.

But, and I say this as a passionate alum, the Arizona football program has turned into something clearly undeserving of someone of Greg Byrne's caliber. This isn't a Ced Dempsey situation where he didn't make a high enough offer to Larry Smith...this is one of the best college athletic administrators in the country who should go to where he has all the tools to win a national title, which is his true level of talent.

Arizona football is going to suck him down the drain if he sticks around, as the program is being out-recruited at a sad pace that is just cratering it. Nobody in the big markets takes us seriously enough anymore to put together a Pac-12 contender, and regardless of his level of responsibility for it, RichRod knows it.

Why don't you go coach the team yourself if that what you think.

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