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Do you think if it were stable, Dudek would turn down Michigan?chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:Dudek going to Michigan is a no brainer. I'd be more inclined to agree with your framing of abandoning ship, if he left for an equal to lesser program.
So, you think that a job on staff at Arizona is a stable one right now?
ramcat wrote:Do you think if it were stable, Dudek would turn down Michigan?chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:Dudek going to Michigan is a no brainer. I'd be more inclined to agree with your framing of abandoning ship, if he left for an equal to lesser program.
So, you think that a job on staff at Arizona is a stable one right now?
I dont.
Silly question: Is the inventor of OKG, RR, an OKG? Review his history before answering. Clue: Carolina.chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:Do you think if it were stable, Dudek would turn down Michigan?chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:Dudek going to Michigan is a no brainer. I'd be more inclined to agree with your framing of abandoning ship, if he left for an equal to lesser program.
So, you think that a job on staff at Arizona is a stable one right now?
I dont.
But he's an OKG! OKGs don't take officials while committed to the University of Arizona football program! They also don't commit to another program while committed to this one! OKG is and will always be a gimmick.....just like I've always said.
MrMeow wrote: Silly question: Is the inventor of OKG, RR, an OKG? Review his history before answering. Clue: Carolina.
Merkin wrote:MrMeow wrote: Silly question: Is the inventor of OKG, RR, an OKG? Review his history before answering. Clue: Carolina.
Thought it was Chris Petersen while at BSU.
chiefzona wrote:Dudek apparently isn't the only loss this week. I heard there might be a transfer. I told you about the abandon ship siren. Most of of the media and myself was told about Dudek weeks ago. Everyone was told to be silent because we were all awaiting word from Michigan.
azcat49 wrote:chiefzona wrote:Dudek apparently isn't the only loss this week. I heard there might be a transfer. I told you about the abandon ship siren. Most of of the media and myself was told about Dudek weeks ago. Everyone was told to be silent because we were all awaiting word from Michigan.
Heard there might also be some roster additions coming as well
Dudek is THE CLOSER? No. That would be the head coach's job... at every school that actually recruits effectively.PHXCATS wrote:I see where you are coming from. To me Dudek was the guy to close him in when they visiting or making final decisions. If you don't bring him good guys, he cant do much.RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Maybe not a popular opinion but I have wondered about Dudeks' value for last couple years now. At least can be up to debate on his value to UA staff. Recruiting is not any better than under Stoops era, maybe collectively worse (I'll call it a tie).
Dudek has never been a coach
On the record he doesn't want to be a coach
Assume he is not an expert in player evals or development
Was initially hired to be on-campus recruiting coordinator and Pitch-man for recruiting news
UA hired a former Michigan player/recruiting coordinator to fill Dudek's position
Dudek promoted
Don't hear much from him or his pitches last year plus.
Results in recruiting and achievements have been mediocre to poor. That can stir a debate about value imo.
Dudek is not a loss. It is the first time you have referred to him in a positive light, but that is only because it suits your narrative. You were right before.chiefzona wrote:Dudek apparently isn't the only loss this week. I heard there might be a transfer. I told you about the abandon ship siren. Most of of the media and myself was told about Dudek weeks ago. Everyone was told to be silent because we were all awaiting word from Michigan.
Stay with me bud.....loss from the the program as in takeaway or leaving. Dudek is not a loss as in they'll miss him. He did very little.Harvey Specter wrote:Dudek is not a loss. It is the first time you have referred to him in a positive light, but that is only because it suits your narrative. You were right before.chiefzona wrote:Dudek apparently isn't the only loss this week. I heard there might be a transfer. I told you about the abandon ship siren. Most of of the media and myself was told about Dudek weeks ago. Everyone was told to be silent because we were all awaiting word from Michigan.
As for the part in bold...
ChiefZona living the starring role of the self-titled film "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" #LifeImitatesArt
Aside from the delusion that you are some of important insider, the idea that you could keep your mouth shut about anything for two weeks is a stretch did not even Gumby would make.
PHXCATS wrote:If he didn't do anything why did a top 5 coach in the game hire him?
So if that is all he does Harbaugh still hired him when he could have anyone not on Alabama Ohio State or Clemsons staff?chiefzona wrote:PHXCATS wrote:If he didn't do anything why did a top 5 coach in the game hire him?
That's a common misconception. Dudek got replaced by Singletary as "Recruiting Coordinator" once Singletary got on campus. They made him "General Manager/Director of Player Personnel" which was a nice title for...Singletary basically took your job but we will keep you on staff even though you are our Dancing Bear who screams OKG when a walkon signs a NLI. Dudek was once the face of recruiting though he didn't recruit. Singletary runs his show though and has since he stepped on campus.
PHXCATS wrote:I don't see this as a step down in title or reasonsibity for Dudek. Good move for him. Bet he gets paid much better also. This is what happens when your fans are so fair weather.
PHXCATS wrote:So if that is all he does Harbaugh still hired him when he could have anyone not on Alabama Ohio State or Clemsons staff?chiefzona wrote:PHXCATS wrote:If he didn't do anything why did a top 5 coach in the game hire him?
That's a common misconception. Dudek got replaced by Singletary as "Recruiting Coordinator" once Singletary got on campus. They made him "General Manager/Director of Player Personnel" which was a nice title for...Singletary basically took your job but we will keep you on staff even though you are our Dancing Bear who screams OKG when a walkon signs a NLI. Dudek was once the face of recruiting though he didn't recruit. Singletary runs his show though and has since he stepped on campus.
PHXCATS wrote:You are so full of it. If you are correct Harbaugh fired him by Sept 1 2018. Want to make abet he doesn't?
And you think our fan support is okay? Why don't we have an indoor practice facility and can't pay for good assistants then? Give me an answer besides RR because if that's true he will most likely be gone by December so these things should be fine by Sept 1 2018 as well.
I don't understand why you are so worked up. Dudek does very little and now that he joins a bigger staff....probably a lot less. Sarkisian got hired by Saban and I never heard anyone say that Sark must be good because Saban hired him. Quite the contrary. Winning programs win from recruiting, mostly. I've always said what I think, know, and feel. I called Casteel out when he was hired and fought people on the message board till the day he was fired. Guess what? Not one of those posters ever said anything after that and most of them are MIA. I've called out RR from day one and taken a lot of flak but guess what? Just recently some people are finally getting it and playing along. So, I'll continue to be me and you continue to be you and the world will still turn.PHXCATS wrote:You say Dudek doesn't do anything.
If that is true Harbaugh won't keep him around as Michigan can have just about anyone they want.
I think you are full of it and just talk to talk.
Giving you a chance to man up and back your talk up.
So put up and back your talk up or shut up and tak3 your shit back.
Dudek doesn't pick who to recruit the coaches do. He just does the planinng talking to them, setting up visits, and shows them around campus while they were here and he was very good at what he does. I like Singletary a lot though and I love Matty D and he will do great in Michigan, but he isn't the difference between having an amazing class and a mediocre one.chiefzona wrote:I don't understand why you are so worked up. Dudek does very little and now that he joins a bigger staff....probably a lot less. Sarkisian got hired by Saban and I never heard anyone say that Sark must be good because Saban hired him. Quite the contrary. Winning programs win from recruiting, mostly. I've always said what I think, know, and feel. I called Casteel out when he was hired and fought people on the message board till the day he was fired. Guess what? Not one of those posters ever said anything after that and most of them are MIA. I've called out RR from day one and taken a lot of flak but guess what? Just recently some people are finally getting it and playing along. So, I'll continue to be me and you continue to be you and the world will still turn.PHXCATS wrote:You say Dudek doesn't do anything.
If that is true Harbaugh won't keep him around as Michigan can have just about anyone they want.
I think you are full of it and just talk to talk.
Giving you a chance to man up and back your talk up.
So put up and back your talk up or shut up and tak3 your shit back.
catinfl wrote:Dudek doesn't pick who to recruit the coaches do. He just does the planinng talking to them, setting up visits, and shows them around campus while they were here and he was very good at what he does. I like Singletary a lot though and I love Matty D and he will do great in Michigan, but he isn't the difference between having an amazing class and a mediocre one.chiefzona wrote:I don't understand why you are so worked up. Dudek does very little and now that he joins a bigger staff....probably a lot less. Sarkisian got hired by Saban and I never heard anyone say that Sark must be good because Saban hired him. Quite the contrary. Winning programs win from recruiting, mostly. I've always said what I think, know, and feel. I called Casteel out when he was hired and fought people on the message board till the day he was fired. Guess what? Not one of those posters ever said anything after that and most of them are MIA. I've called out RR from day one and taken a lot of flak but guess what? Just recently some people are finally getting it and playing along. So, I'll continue to be me and you continue to be you and the world will still turn.PHXCATS wrote:You say Dudek doesn't do anything.
If that is true Harbaugh won't keep him around as Michigan can have just about anyone they want.
I think you are full of it and just talk to talk.
Giving you a chance to man up and back your talk up.
So put up and back your talk up or shut up and tak3 your shit back.
PHXCATS wrote:IF HE ISNT GOOD WHY IS THE 4TH BEST COACH IN THE NATION HIRING HIM?
Be a man and put up or shut up.
ramcat wrote:So are you saying that Dudek will become a better dancer due to being at Michigan?
Harbaugh hired him purely for his potential contribution to the program, and everything I've read about Harbaugh is that he is a perfectionist and is ridiculously competitve, and wouldn't imagine he'd be making fluffy hires, such as "dancing bears".
Can't imagine at all that Harbaugh, would be hiring Dudek, without thorough knowledge of what he did here and his contribution. But, what do I know maybe he feels Michigan needs a "Dancing Bear" to get to the top.
So Harbaugh hired someone who is not very good at what they do, and largely won't do anything for his program but a face with no substance? Seriously?chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:So are you saying that Dudek will become a better dancer due to being at Michigan?
Harbaugh hired him purely for his potential contribution to the program, and everything I've read about Harbaugh is that he is a perfectionist and is ridiculously competitve, and wouldn't imagine he'd be making fluffy hires, such as "dancing bears".
Can't imagine at all that Harbaugh, would be hiring Dudek, without thorough knowledge of what he did here and his contribution. But, what do I know maybe he feels Michigan needs a "Dancing Bear" to get to the top.
I think that Dudek will be a better dancer at Michigan. He'll love the winters cause they'll remind him of back home. We'll see if RR opens up his position or just lets Singletary dance.
He was the recruiting coordinator at Michigan while RR was there. For RR at Arizona he is in charge of setting up visits, recruiting trips for coaches, and coordinating everything for recruiting. Dudek did all this up till the time Singletary was hired. Then Dudek took a secondary role while Singletary a primary one with regards to recruiting. There was speculation that Singletary was hired because RR wasn't happy with Dudek. Who knows.ramcat wrote:So Harbaugh hired someone who is not very good at what they do, and largely won't do anything for his program but a face with no substance? Seriously?chiefzona wrote:ramcat wrote:So are you saying that Dudek will become a better dancer due to being at Michigan?
Harbaugh hired him purely for his potential contribution to the program, and everything I've read about Harbaugh is that he is a perfectionist and is ridiculously competitve, and wouldn't imagine he'd be making fluffy hires, such as "dancing bears".
Can't imagine at all that Harbaugh, would be hiring Dudek, without thorough knowledge of what he did here and his contribution. But, what do I know maybe he feels Michigan needs a "Dancing Bear" to get to the top.
I think that Dudek will be a better dancer at Michigan. He'll love the winters cause they'll remind him of back home. We'll see if RR opens up his position or just lets Singletary dance.
Chris Singletary came from Michigan, so interesting that the programs essentially swapped out recruiting coordinators.
RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Chris Singletary was hired on by RR at Michigan. Singletary stayed on with Brady Hoke and Hoke expanded Singletary's role. Singletary stayed on with Harbaugh after he was hired through a transition period but was let go just before Harbaugh's 1st Spring Game at Michigan (early April. Harbaugh hired end of December prior). Singletary also won a Championship as a player with Michigan 1997
Truechiefzona wrote:RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Chris Singletary was hired on by RR at Michigan. Singletary stayed on with Brady Hoke and Hoke expanded Singletary's role. Singletary stayed on with Harbaugh after he was hired through a transition period but was let go just before Harbaugh's 1st Spring Game at Michigan (early April. Harbaugh hired end of December prior). Singletary also won a Championship as a player with Michigan 1997
No. He was not hired by RR. He was hired by Lloyd Carr in 2006 and stayed on with RR, Hoke, and then Harbaugh.
Apparently 2 posts must qualify as typing furiously. I have always been of the impression that you are partial to your "ultimate OKG". Hopefully you have come to terms with his departure.Chicat wrote:Lot of typing going on about a guy who wasn't worth a whole lot (according to some people who keeping furiously typing about him).
I wasn't referring to you in particular, but welcome to the party Harv...Harvey Specter wrote:Apparently 2 posts must qualify as typing furiously.Chicat wrote:Lot of typing going on about a guy who wasn't worth a whole lot (according to some people who keeping furiously typing about him).
Spot on, Harvey.Harvey Specter wrote:Apparently 2 posts must qualify as typing furiously. I have always been of the impression that you are partial to your "ultimate OKG". Hopefully you have come to terms with his departure.Chicat wrote:Lot of typing going on about a guy who wasn't worth a whole lot (according to some people who keeping furiously typing about him).
I know he got the minions fired up with his social media bravado and grand proclamations. That usually goes over big in a testosteronefest.
It boils down to this for me: he had a loud bark & a soft bite, and I've been quite consistent in my view. That does not mean I am right, but it files directly in the face of any assertions that my reaction is the result of 'coping with despair' over his departure, he made the right career decision for Himself.
For the duration of his time with significant responsibilities for recruiting here, our recruiting has SUCKED. Talk a lot, deliver little. The Josh Partner model, for most of his career.
I do agree that Harbaugh is a damn good & smart coach... but I've seen plenty a smart guy make a dogshit hire. The "interview well & deliver nothing" model is very effective for self-promoters.
From the view of some, I expect Marty D is a super-salesman... he must be, because he sold his track record (or lack thereof) to an elite coach & program. I'd call that being full of shit,
Matt Dudek, Michigan's newly-hired recruiting director, will make an annual salary of $145,000, the university said in a public-records request.
