Arizona vs. Washington State Discussion Thread

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:52 pm

Youth of our LB'S. need to drop into coverage quicker, better recognition

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:58 pm

SVP made his college picks for the weekend and took the Cats +3. Nice to see the block A on the show.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:06 am

game thread is up

Pop McKale · Post by **Pop McKale** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:21 am

It will be interesting to see what happens if we get down 10-14 points and Rodriguez/Tate is forced to pass more to get us back in the game. I think they're going to need to pass more on Saturday regardless but we've gotten off to fast starts the last 3 weeks and could afford to run, run, run. Mostly because it was working but the game circumstances also lent themselves to keeping it on the ground.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:32 am

Here's some important stats for the homers:

3rd down conversion defense:
Wazzu 4th-24.35%
AZ 122nd-48.11%

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:35 am

chiefzona wrote:
wyo-cat wrote:Red Out Saturday.

Makes sense since they are playing WAZZU.

We ALWAYS do this and I can't stand it.... Wear the opposite colors of your opponent. It drives me crazy.

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:43 am

scumdevils86 wrote:Here's some important stats for the homers:

3rd down conversion defense:
Wazzu 4th-24.35%
AZ 122nd-48.11%

Yeah that definitely needs to tighten up on our side, but it's been much better then in the recent past. What was that number the last couple of years, 99.98% or thereabouts? They just need to keep playing hard as they have been and dial up a few more of those 3rd down stops . . . Passing defense is still a big concern, but run defense has been relatively solid - this being Leach and Wazzou, the secondary has to step up big.

It's still hairy, but not as bad. There's no question in my mind that this defensive staff is light years better than the old one and the kids are playing better.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:43 am

scumdevils86 wrote:Here's some important stats for the homers:

3rd down conversion defense:
Wazzu 4th-24.35%
AZ 122nd-48.11%

Here are some other "important" stats

Rush Yards per attempt
AZ 3rd 6.5
Wazzu 127th 2.9

Pass Yards per attempt
AZ 41st 7.7
Wazzu 72nd 7.0

However if you look at solely the last three games when Tate has played U of A is at 11.1 yards per attempt which would be 2nd in the nation.

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scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:53 am

Actually it isn't any better...

AZ 3rd down defense:

2016-127th
2015-114th
2014-74th
2013-63rd
2012-90th

we're just as bad as we ever have been on 3rd down defense.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:54 am

azcat49 wrote:Youth of our LB'S. need to drop into coverage quicker, better recognition

We also have to squeeze the zones better, which means forcing disruption of route and giving ourselves a yard or two to tackle. Easier said than done.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:54 am

PHXCATS wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Here's some important stats for the homers:

3rd down conversion defense:
Wazzu 4th-24.35%
AZ 122nd-48.11%

Here are some other "important" stats for the two turds who think they are so smart and so much better than everyone else.

Rush Yards per attempt
AZ 3rd 6.5
Wazzu 127th 2.9

Pass Yards per attempt
AZ 41st 7.7
Wazzu 72nd 7.0

However if you look at solely the last three games when Tate has played U of A is at 11.1 yards per attempt which would be 2nd in the nation.

thanks for making my point for me.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:57 am

scumdevils86 wrote:Actually it isn't any better...

AZ 3rd down defense:

2016-127th
2015-114th
2014-74th
2013-63rd
2012-90th

we're just as bad as we ever have been on 3rd down defense.

Is there a stat on 3rd and long defense? Seems UA would be 129/129.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:03 am

Merkin wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Actually it isn't any better...

AZ 3rd down defense:

2016-127th
2015-114th
2014-74th
2013-63rd
2012-90th

we're just as bad as we ever have been on 3rd down defense.
Is there a stat on 3rd and long defense? Seems UA would be 129/129.

yeah that would be interesting to see what our D has done the last 6 years against 3rd and 8+ yards. hell the worst would be 3rd and 12+. i bet we give that up 80% of the time.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:16 am

scumdevils86 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Here's some important stats for the homers:

3rd down conversion defense:
Wazzu 4th-24.35%
AZ 122nd-48.11%

Here are some other "important" stats for the two turds who think they are so smart and so much better than everyone else.

Rush Yards per attempt
AZ 3rd 6.5
Wazzu 127th 2.9

Pass Yards per attempt
AZ 41st 7.7
Wazzu 72nd 7.0

However if you look at solely the last three games when Tate has played U of A is at 11.1 yards per attempt which would be 2nd in the nation.
thanks for making my point for me.

So don't address the stats I gave, doesn't fit your narrative that you are so much better and smarter than the rest of us.

3rd down defense conversation percentage is a worrisome stat for sure, but that doesn't tell the entire story of the defense. The stats I gave point out a better story of the entire offense going into this game.

What about offensive 3rd down conversation percentage? More less or same importance as the defense stat?

U of A 18th 46.25%
Wazzu 54th 40.00%

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:31 am

PHXCATS wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Here's some important stats for the homers:

3rd down conversion defense:
Wazzu 4th-24.35%
AZ 122nd-48.11%

Here are some other "important" stats for the two turds who think they are so smart and so much better than everyone else.

Rush Yards per attempt
AZ 3rd 6.5
Wazzu 127th 2.9

Pass Yards per attempt
AZ 41st 7.7
Wazzu 72nd 7.0

However if you look at solely the last three games when Tate has played U of A is at 11.1 yards per attempt which would be 2nd in the nation.
thanks for making my point for me.
So don't address the stats I gave, doesn't fit your narrative that you are so much better and smarter than the rest of us.

3rd down defense conversation percentage is a worrisome stat for sure, but that doesn't tell the entire story of the defense. The stats I gave point out a better story of the entire offense going into this game.

What about offensive 3rd down conversation percentage? More less or same importance as the defense stat?

U of A 18th 46.25%
Wazzu 54th 40.00%

by your stats they will crush us on 3rd down. congrats. you "cracked" yourself.

HaCats · Post by **HaCats** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:33 am

I don't even get excited when we have a team in 3rd & 12 anymore, I know a 19 yard reception for the opposing team is about to happen.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:34 am

HaCats wrote:I don't even get excited when we have a team in 3rd & 12 anymore, I know a 19 yard reception for the opposing team is about to happen.

yup. i feel a lot better about 3rd and about 4 then 3rd and 12.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:55 am

Merkin wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Actually it isn't any better...

AZ 3rd down defense:

2016-127th
2015-114th
2014-74th
2013-63rd
2012-90th

we're just as bad as we ever have been on 3rd down defense.
Is there a stat on 3rd and long defense? Seems UA would be 129/129.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/701" target="_blank

121st .481%

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:21 am

azgreg wrote:
Merkin wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Actually it isn't any better...

AZ 3rd down defense:

2016-127th
2015-114th
2014-74th
2013-63rd
2012-90th

we're just as bad as we ever have been on 3rd down defense.
Is there a stat on 3rd and long defense? Seems UA would be 129/129.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/701" target="_blank

121st .481%

same as what i posted earlier. we were wondering if there was a stat specifically for 3rd and long

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:38 am

HaCats wrote:I don't even get excited when we have a team in 3rd & 12 anymore, I know a 19 yard reception for the opposing team is about to happen.

I'm not a football guy, but maybe, just maybe the corners shouldn't sag 10-15 yards off the WRs on 3rd and long.

Like Lou Holtz used to say, the only thing the prevent defense prevents is victories.

Mike Stoops was the worst. Remember he would go into the prevent defense start of the 4th quarter?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:50 am

Merkin wrote:
HaCats wrote:I don't even get excited when we have a team in 3rd & 12 anymore, I know a 19 yard reception for the opposing team is about to happen.
I'm not a football guy, but maybe, just maybe the corners shouldn't sag 10-15 yards off the WRs on 3rd and long.

Like Lou Holtz used to say, the only thing the prevent defense prevents is victories.

Mike Stoops was the worst. Remember he would go into the prevent defense start of the 4th quarter?

yep. and it cost him at least probably 10 wins in his career here.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:18 pm

The only stats that matter are 5-2 and RR isn't going anywhere.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:17 pm

scumdevils86 wrote: yep. and it cost him at least probably 10 wins in his career here.

Remember the Oregon game? Students were already climbing down from the bleachers getting ready to rush the field. Arizona was up 24-14 in the 4th quarter. Masoli tied the game with a TD pass with 6 seconds left, then won in double OT.

Pretty sad long walk up the bleachers for those students. Nationally televised game too.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/ga ... =293250012" target="_blank

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:42 pm

Hasn't Cal cracked the code for defending Wazzu?

I've seen Vince Amey and Marcel Yates walking around campus a couple of times this week. They seemed pretty excited about what they are talking about.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:50 pm

dc4azcats wrote:The only stats that matter are 5-2 and RR isn't going anywhere.

Oh really? You don't think he takes another job?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:51 pm

chiefzona wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:The only stats that matter are 5-2 and RR isn't going anywhere.

Oh really? You don't think he takes another job?

Unless he is taking a coordinator job he is not getting an offer from a better school this off season

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:52 pm

I've already called WSU to win but I have seen Arizona win games like this before. Remember the chances we had against ASU last year? I think WSU wins but it wouldn't blow my mind if UA pulls the upset.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:46 pm

Well Rita likes the climate here with her Rheumatoid Arthritis so she might nix a Tennessee or Florida move should it come. Its all win win no matter what. 2 more years of Tate as well

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:18 pm

azcat49 wrote:Well Rita likes the climate here with her Rheumatoid Arthritis so she might nix a Tennessee or Florida move should it come. Its all win win no matter what. 2 more years of Tate as well

She doesn’t get to nix the next one. RR have her a free one for South Carolina. Next one is his choice and he will be courted.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:26 pm

Well if he left that would confirm he is a tool but like I said its win win. We have to win for him to get a look and we win in the long run probably.

Do you really think he gets a look this year and has the audacity to make a move

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:39 pm

azcat49 wrote:Well if he left that would confirm he is a tool but like I said its win win. We have to win for him to get a look and we win in the long run probably.

Do you really think he gets a look this year and has the audacity to make a move

Nothing surprises me anymore.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:27 pm

azcat49 wrote:Well if he left that would confirm he is a tool but like I said its win win. We have to win for him to get a look and we win in the long run probably.

Do you really think he gets a look this year and has the audacity to make a move

After the issues with the South Carolina move and going 3-9'last year he ain't moving somewhere else next year unless he is canned.

jimson · Post by **jimson** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:20 am

chiefzona wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Well Rita likes the climate here with her Rheumatoid Arthritis so she might nix a Tennessee or Florida move should it come. Its all win win no matter what. 2 more years of Tate as well

She doesn’t get to nix the next one. RR have her a free one for South Carolina. Next one is his choice and he will be courted.

Do we really even know if RR was actually offered the S Carolina job?

They denied it.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:20 am

jimson wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Well Rita likes the climate here with her Rheumatoid Arthritis so she might nix a Tennessee or Florida move should it come. Its all win win no matter what. 2 more years of Tate as well

She doesn’t get to nix the next one. RR have her a free one for South Carolina. Next one is his choice and he will be courted.
Do we really even know if RR was actually offered the S Carolina job?

They denied it.

From everything that I have heard it all points to that he was.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:17 am

a little love for the state of AZ by the gameday crew. Everyone smiles after they say the name Khalil Tate...Herbie picked us to win so i'm not sure how i feel about that

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:45 am

chiefzona wrote:
jimson wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Well Rita likes the climate here with her Rheumatoid Arthritis so she might nix a Tennessee or Florida move should it come. Its all win win no matter what. 2 more years of Tate as well

She doesn’t get to nix the next one. RR have her a free one for South Carolina. Next one is his choice and he will be courted.
Do we really even know if RR was actually offered the S Carolina job?

They denied it.

From everything that I have heard it all points to that he was.

Lol I'm not doubting he was offered, but you acting as if you would have knowledge either way is beyond laughable ya blowhard.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:54 am

chiefzona wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Well Rita likes the climate here with her Rheumatoid Arthritis so she might nix a Tennessee or Florida move should it come. Its all win win no matter what. 2 more years of Tate as well

She doesn’t get to nix the next one. RR have her a free one for South Carolina. Next one is his choice and he will be courted.

I'm guessing you were over for dinner when RR and Mrs RR had this conversation?

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:59 am

whatisee wrote:a little love for the state of AZ by the gameday crew. Everyone smiles after they say the name Khalil Tate...Herbie picked us to win so i'm not sure how i feel about that

I'll take the love from Kirk. I don't feel like he's ever been a believer in the program. Any idea what this was about? I don't get it...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:17 pm

chiefzona wrote: From everything that I have heard it all points to that he was.

Can't remember the source, but read that South Carolina would match his salary, but not give him a raise.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:35 pm

Herb was all about the cats when stoops was here

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:43 pm

chiefzona wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:The only stats that matter are 5-2 and RR isn't going anywhere.

Oh really? You don't think he takes another job?

He's going to leave with Tate having two more years? Sure he is. How often does a Pat White or Khalil Tate come around? He's also getting the indoor facility. He's got a big pay day coming and will probably get another extension TY. I think the South Carolina experience taught him that it's not always about the money. Who you work for is a big deal.

We're struggling to draw fans and I don't see how that's RR's fault at this point. If our shitty fan base (I see you scumdevils86) isn't going to come out and watch a guy like Tate, then changing coaches to somebody we've never heard of isn't going to change anything in regards to fans showing up.

As for South Carolina, they treated RR like he was the second choice. RR caught on right away and said Alpha, Mike, Foxtrot, to the South Carolina AD. Before you say Tennessee, keep in mind that he and Butch are boys and the new AD is going to fire Butch but hire RR? Seriously doubt it. RR and Butch have the same agent so cross Tennessee off the list. Arkansas? Ole Miss? Please. He can also call Greg Byrne and ask him how much he likes Alabama? Yes, those jobs pay well but that doesn't mean it's where you want to live.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:54 pm

Cool to see the president this much into it.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:01 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:37 pm

Just saw that ESPN College Gameday crew picked us three of the four. We've got no chance now.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:54 pm

azgreg wrote:Just saw that ESPN College Gameday crew picked us three of the four. We've got no chance now.

Hopefully last years game is all the motivation this team needs for tonight. Easily their most embarrassing showing.

Hoping JJ Taylor comes out blazing tonight along with Alasdek

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:11 pm

Merkin, thanks a lot for the Oregon memory.

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:21 pm

azgreg wrote:Cool to see the president this much into it.

President Robbins is really cool. I met him on campus, he shook my hand and said, "call me Bobby." Ann Hart would never give anyone the time of day, maybe a smile and a head nod.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:10 pm

4th game in a row that I’ve been able to see this year...nothing before that......Wow, good luck for me and Tate is THE MAN!

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:13 pm

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:4th game in a row that I’ve been able to see this year...nothing before that......Wow, good luck for me and Tate is THE MAN!

Keep watching, free your schedule!

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:18 pm

Alieberman wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:4th game in a row that I’ve been able to see this year...nothing before that......Wow, good luck for me and Tate is THE MAN!
Keep watching, free your schedule!

As much as I have access too......xrxs.net went down and killed my only option...P12 Network.....but found on YouTube since Rado win

.

For some reason this link is blocked in US but not in Thailand......not sure if legit or not but am loving the access and the fact that all these games have been on P12 Network only......I’m afraid next week is ESPN onwards so........crap but BTFD!

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