General Malaise and Complaining about the Football Program

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:07 pm

Bruce Feldman just listed 10 names for the Florida job, and none of them were named Rich Rodriguez.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:20 pm

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... c6323.html" target="_blank

“Entering this past weekend, Arizona had played 27 freshmen, including 17 true freshmen. The latter was tied for fourth among FBS programs.”

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:26 pm

One thing for certain, RR and staff got some good ones last year, especially on defense. Can't wait until Fields or Schooler hit Burmeister

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:28 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
chiefzona wrote:It’s the old mediocre argument....can’t do any better. But he’s tried. Hey! It’s year 6 and the fans aren’t buying the gimmicks hence the attendance.
Honestly, the next time you have a take on RR that is even remotely accurate, it will be the first time.

He’s not going anywhere so move on already.

No one was right about this season. Not even you Mr 5 wins. No pundit or media member or anyone who profits off of the program were right. Even RR wasn’t right as he continually started Dawkins. It took an injury to Dawkins to start the Tate era. But we can all play along like we knew it all along, right? Like you were right about Casteel along along too. Haha! You went on a hiatus because you got schooled. But let’s pretend. Now if Heeke can just come up with a way to pack the stadium because fans aren’t buying RR and we all know that neither are you. But let’s pretend.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:30 pm

From what I have seen this year I am absolutely buying Rich Rod.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:30 pm

dc4azcats wrote:Bruce Feldman just listed 10 names for the Florida job, and none of them were named Rich Rodriguez.

That’s because he’s not good enough for that job. That’s a top 10 coaching job.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:33 pm

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:37 pm

Can I go with 10%?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:41 pm

I think if he gets the Blame he gets the credit so for me 100%.

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:42 pm

chiefzona wrote:It’s the old mediocre argument....can’t do any better. But he’s tried. Hey! It’s year 6 and the fans aren’t buying the gimmicks hence the attendance.

Still think we oughta switch to a pro style offense?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:48 pm

catinfl wrote:
chiefzona wrote:It’s the old mediocre argument....can’t do any better. But he’s tried. Hey! It’s year 6 and the fans aren’t buying the gimmicks hence the attendance.
Still think we oughta switch to a pro style offense?

Yes. It would help immensely in recruiting.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:31 pm

azcat49 wrote:I think if he gets the Blame he gets the credit so for me 100%.

^^^ This. He runs the ship, and right now this ship is moving in the right direction.

Those who blamed him for his (extended) failures were Haters. Now if they credit him for his success, they are bandwagoners. And if they do not completely ignore 9 of the last 10 years because of the past 4 weeks, they are "bad fans".

Makes perfect sense.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:39 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:So you guys bashing RR for entertaining job offers have never interviewed for other jobs while employed? You have never looked for a better opportunity while continuing to give your best at your current place of employment? "Loyalty" doesn't exist in the workplace, and like Rick said, no one is still up SM's ass for interviewing with the Maryland AD a few years ago and for being the presumptive successor to Roy Williams (before the embarrassing bribery scandal involving his close friend and lead recruiter). Get over yourselves.
Did Sean Miller let recruiting fall off when he had one foot out the door? Did we have a losing season sprinkled in there because he was cool with his assistants golfing and enjoying a semi-retired life instead of signing the kids we’d need to take us to a championship level?

You get back to us when that happens, ok?
Yeah, because four and five star recruits are just lining up to play football at UA and RR was too busy being wined and dined to get them to sign their LOIs. Give me a break.
Sure, I can give you a break. All this logic knocking holes in your straw-man argument probably isn’t much fun.
You are the one introducing the strawman. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of criticizing RR for interviewing for other jobs, since everyone does it, including SM. If it's not loyal to explore other opportunities, then so be it. But they did stick around, and that's what matters to me.

One guy could have his pick of the litter when he gets married. Shortly after, he is hit on by a really hot girl (that he had his eyes on years ago) at the bar and flirts a bit but says "No thanks, I am spoken for". He goes home.

Another guy is 40 pounds over weight, balding, and couldn't score with a Tijuana whore, but meets a nice woman who sees the best in him - and they wed. He sheds 15 lbs, goes out with his buddies, and exchanges glances with a cougar that has most of her teeth. He chases her into the bathroom and begs her to go back to the hotel with him. She declines.

In your world... they are both married guys that flirted but ultimately didn't cheat. Were you wearing your MAGA hat while you typed that?

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:04 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I think if he gets the Blame he gets the credit so for me 100%.
^^^ This. He runs the ship, and right now this ship is moving in the right direction.

Those who blamed him for his (extended) failures were Haters. Now if they credit him for his success, they are bandwagoners. And if they do not completely ignore 9 of the last 10 years because of the past 4 weeks, they are "bad fans".

Makes perfect sense.

Yeah. In a cult.

Pathetic and it needs to stop, this need to feel "better" than other fans. The cult of fandom is rotting our society to dust.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:55 am

azcat49 wrote:I think if he gets the Blame he gets the credit so for me 100%.

Same here.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:18 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I think if he gets the Blame he gets the credit so for me 100%.
^^^ This. He runs the ship, and right now this ship is moving in the right direction.

Those who blamed him for his (extended) failures were Haters. Now if they credit him for his success, they are bandwagoners. And if they do not completely ignore 9 of the last 10 years because of the past 4 weeks, they are "bad fans".

Makes perfect sense.

I think he gets the same percentage of credit as blame. The players are always doing things, but a lot of people will lay credit/blame on the HC for recruiting them. I think it's a bit of both, but when it goes wrong, like last year, RR should get the same amount of blame as he does credit this year when things go right.

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:44 am

Don't think it has to be that complicated. A Team winning, a team losing is always going to include the HC in praise or blame. He's the Boss. He's got to take blame for bad hires or being a bad hire. How his coaches recruit, develop or don't.

I myself started bitching about RR's recruiting back in 2014. Started complaining about his offense (and defense) in 2015. Started bitching about RR in 2016. Team was losing and I was blaming him. Probably in this thread, I posted I saw no way RR could save his job. Odds were too great. Just didn't see a way for him do so.

Now his team is winning. More importantly his team has some depth. Some, and that depth is mostly very young. His players also seem to be engaged. They play hungry and hard. So I give credit to RR. The defense just played 101 plays, gave up 32 1st downs and and UA still won by 3 touchdowns. RR's offense is that good. And it's not just Khalil. The run blocking has been fantastic. TE's are a major force in this season's offense. The offense is RR's sweet spot and in his control. Win or lose.

UA is winning, more than I expected. So I'm excited about that. Possible some of those that want to parse and not give credit to RR showing some other bias against RR or the team into the conversation. UA, the school is winning, enjoy it. It's a nice surprise this season.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:20 pm

Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:23 pm

Crowds look pathetic on television.

I have to imagine next year there will be more excitement.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:24 pm

Third lowest since we've joined the conference then. Tells you the problem is with the program and not the fanbase. We sold out half our games seemingly under Stoops. It's squarely and administration/RR problem.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:37 pm

Merkin wrote:Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

If you ain't here shut up

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:38 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

If you ain't here shut up

Not everyone lives in Tucson, or close to it.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:41 pm

Chicat wrote:Crowds look pathetic on television.

I have to imagine next year there will be more excitement.

Big year, great schedule and we will be a favorite in the south. Basketball may have an uneven year and new ticket prices will help

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:41 pm

Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

If you ain't here shut up
Not everyone lives in Tucson, or close to it.

My point exactl y you have no room to talk if RR "lost Tucson"

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:43 pm

azcat49 wrote:
Chicat wrote:Crowds look pathetic on television.

I have to imagine next year there will be more excitement.
Big year, great schedule and we will be a favorite in the south. Basketball may have an uneven year and new ticket prices will help

I tend to agree. The factors are in place for a better level of attendance next year m

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:24 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

If you ain't here shut up
Not everyone lives in Tucson, or close to it.
My point exactl y you have no room to talk if RR "lost Tucson"

Fuck off

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:34 pm

We won, Scum. Check yourself and enjoy having 7 wins this season.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:40 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

If you ain't here shut up

When you say “here”, you mean Arcadia Tavern?

Are there drink specials?

3rdand25 · Post by **3rdand25** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:23 am

Complaining about google's standings algorithm.

Still shows the devils at 2nd in the south. WTH?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:25 am

Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

If you ain't here shut up
When you say “here”, you mean Arcadia Tavern?

Are there drink specials?

You better believe it next week for Oregon. But this week I was at the game and everyone in my section was living it up and loving RR and this team. We want Michigan!

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:55 pm

One sportswriter - I forget who already - recently pointed out that in Stoops' first five years there were 20 games that weren't televised. All games are on TV now. Add in the late starts, no more SunTran shuttle (not the school's fault), and it's easier for a lot of people to stay home.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:59 pm

azpenguin wrote:One sportswriter - I forget who already - recently pointed out that in Stoops' first five years there were 20 games that weren't televised. All games are on TV now. Add in the late starts, no more SunTran shuttle (not the school's fault), and it's easier for a lot of people to stay home.

Good point. When you can buy tickets, pay for parking, pay for stadium food, sit in an uncomfortable seat for 4+ hours, be gone until midnight since the game doesn't kick-off until after 8...or you can relax on your couch with friends and have beer and have your own toilet right there and watch the game in high definition and can pause and rewind it...for a lot of people who are die hard great fans the choice is simple to stay home.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:09 pm

NFL used to have a rule years ago, that games were blacked out locally if the stadium didn't reach 85% capacity tickets sold.

Would that help in Tucson? Probably for the nicer earlier games, but 8:15 pm on a Saturday will not do it.

When I was a student 1981-5 rarely was a game televised live. But after the games I used to come watch the replays on one of the local stations, maybe KOLD.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:13 pm

Merkin wrote:NFL used to have a rule years ago, that games were blacked out locally if the stadium didn't reach 85% capacity tickets sold.

Would that help in Tucson? Probably for the nicer earlier games, but 8:15 pm on a Saturday will not do it.

When I was a student 1981-5 rarely was a game televised live. But after the games I used to come watch the replays on one of the local stations, maybe KOLD.

No, I believe it was channel 11 -------KZAZ -- that would rebroadcast. But I could be wrong because I'm old and my memory has suffered from too many nights of "cracking #1, #2, #3,etc."

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:37 pm

BBQ wildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:NFL used to have a rule years ago, that games were blacked out locally if the stadium didn't reach 85% capacity tickets sold.

Would that help in Tucson? Probably for the nicer earlier games, but 8:15 pm on a Saturday will not do it.

When I was a student 1981-5 rarely was a game televised live. But after the games I used to come watch the replays on one of the local stations, maybe KOLD.
No, I believe it was channel 11 -------KZAZ -- that would rebroadcast. But I could be wrong because I'm old and my memory has suffered from too many nights of "cracking #1, #2, #3,etc."

You are no doubt correct! KOLD was actually the only Tucson TV station I could remember. Oh wait, KGUN too.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:21 pm

A couple of those years were when AZ had the live TV ban as part of the NCAA probation. Those late night rebroadcasts were all we were getting back then.

Rick Kane · Post by **Rick Kane** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:00 pm

I was there last night, Crowd didn't seem as bad as the attendance number suggests. Zoo was terrible but was else is new, todays student would rather watch the game at a bar or frat house or on their phone, or not at all etc. The students who were there were loud but just sucks more didnt come to see a very fun team.

Wish more die hards here would go to games.

Whatever, I can only control me.

Again, if you live somewhere else or dont want to go you can always buy cheap tickets and donate them to a good local charity in Tucson like the Big Brothers/Big Sisters. Or donate to the Wildcat club. Or do something to show your appreciation outside of watching on TV and writing on a message board. Call me a dick, ban me whatever, but please do something that shows up on U of A's bottom line.

Just sad that our team doesn't get the support it deserves especially from Students. The team is really fun to watch in person.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:28 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

If you ain't here shut up
Not everyone lives in Tucson, or close to it.
My point exactl y you have no room to talk if RR "lost Tucson"

So in your view, only someone who lives in tucson (or close to it) has the room to talk about RR's losing Tucson?

Ok. I live in Tucson. RR has lost Tucson. Or to be more precise, he had already lost Tucson before our lackluster home schedule (in terms of both opponents and start times) made it even less appealing to go to the games for casual fans.

Can he win Tucson back? Most certainly. Casual fans are fickle. Beat Oregon, beat ASsU, win the bowl game, and casual fans will be a lot more excited about next year and atendance will go back up.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:33 am

Winning will be get better start times.

Push Tate for Heisman in a big way.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:53 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Senior Night, and one of the very few UA Heisman candidates?

RichRod has lost Tucson.

If you ain't here shut up
Not everyone lives in Tucson, or close to it.
My point exactl y you have no room to talk if RR "lost Tucson"
So in your view, only someone who lives in tucson (or close to it) has the room to talk about RR's losing Tucson?

Ok. I live in Tucson. RR has lost Tucson. Or to be more precise, he had already lost Tucson before our lackluster home schedule (in terms of both opponents and start times) made it even less appealing to go to the games for casual fans.

Can he win Tucson back? Most certainly. Casual fans are fickle. Beat Oregon, beat ASsU, win the bowl game, and casual fans will be a lot more excited about next year and atendance will go back up.

I don't live in Tucson but if that happens I will be very tempted to dump my Cardinals season tickets (which are going to be completely worthless next year barring some miracle) for Cats season tickets. But that's not going to happen if the start times don't get better. I don't feel like getting back to Chandler at 3 am Sunday mornings.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:15 pm

The Cat Cruiser is amazing FYI. It will pick you up and drop you off in Chandler.

teemackdee · Post by **teemackdee** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:39 am

PHXCATS wrote:The Cat Cruiser is amazing FYI. It will pick you up and drop you off in Chandler.

Enough with the cat cruiser. You have made a good point here and there but your insistence on people outside of Tucson attending games at the cost of either arriving home early the next morning or the added expense of a hotel is unrealistic. I live over an hour away and there is not any kind of shuttle, nor would i care to take my children on one. In spite of that we still went to the ucla game. Not everyone can rearrange their family life and other obligations in the same way you can. You're way past a friendly reminder of options and now into annoying condescension from your throne of high fandom. Give it a rest.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:46 pm

Fuck this guy. Don't let him get on the bus on the way back.

CatMG · Post by **CatMG** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:57 pm

Fuck you Rodriguez.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:58 pm

If we actually had real TV money like other leagues we could just fire him before he gets on the bus to Tucson...but since Larry Scott sucks we'll be forced to keep him next season and average 35000 in attendance

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:07 pm

Out out out

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:29 pm

whatever toilet bowl we're going to won't inspire the fans to attend next year, that's for sure.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:30 pm

Vegas Bowl! Yes!

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:32 pm

Nope. If Tate is hurt we'll get to see us lose to Fresno State in the Vegas bowl or something to finish 7-6. That'll help attendance and hype next year all right.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:32 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:whatever toilet bowl we're going to won't inspire the fans to attend next year, that's for sure.

Attendance next year will get a teensy bump from the more name brand schedule, but if we lose again, it will be just as bad or worse than this year.

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