Coach Sumlin

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:16 pm

Man what a fucking cowardly coaching staff. Holy fuck I never thought I'd witness something so miserable in my life..emotionally it will be hard to recover from this. Guess I have 8mo to try and forget. Ugh.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:23 pm

On the way to the car, I was thinking through a metaphor/simile/analogy to what I just witnessed. My first thought was, damn if you’re going to lose at least go out like Costner in Tin Cup. But then I realized that the Tin Cup approach was actually not the brave approach—it was cowardly. Doing the same thing over and over again because you can’t admit you’re wrong. So in reality, Head FB coaches who go into a bunker are in some counterintuitive way going Tin Cup. Whether stall ball on offense or getting conservative on defense when you have a lead, it’s actually the risky and ultimately losing play just like going for the shot in Tin Cup was. Really just pathetic stuff.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:24 pm

blackjacker wrote:
azgreg wrote:For those of you who want Sumlin gone who's going to pay for it?
Maybe we're stuck him for awhile but I think he sucks and I wish we had hired Les Miles.
The last two hires we passed up coaches who had long careers in a P5 conference for one's that were canned in 4 years or less.

We fucked up by hiring a retread. Hiring Les would've been a mistake too. Up and coming hungry coach who isnt just looking for a paycheck is the way to go.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:47 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:On the way to the car, I was thinking through a metaphor/simile/analogy to what I just witnessed. My first thought was, damn if you’re going to lose at least go out like Costner in Tin Cup. But then I realized that the Tin Cup approach was actually not the brave approach—it was cowardly. Doing the same thing over and over again because you can’t admit you’re wrong. So in reality, Head FB coaches who go into a bunker are in some counterintuitive way going Tin Cup. Whether stall ball on offense or getting conservative on defense when you have a lead, it’s actually the risky and ultimately losing play just like going for the shot in Tin Cup was. Really just pathetic stuff.

The prevent defense is an authoritarian government. Cowardly and cravenly covering up you are out of ideas. You just want to win without risk and protect only your authority.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:36 pm

My two cents on Sumlin:

1) Sumlin is a mediocre coach who is not going to out-coach anyone in this conference. If he has any success it will be
because he out recruited the other team

2) Speaking of recruiting so far Sumlins efforts have been very RRod-like.247Sports currently has our 2019 class ranked #56.
Its early to be sure and Sumlin could turn it around, but I have my doubts.

3) We are going to be stuck with Sumlin for at least 4 years, so I think that its imperative that he surround himself with
very competent coordinators. For me this means jettisoning Yates ASAP.

blackjacker · Post by **blackjacker** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:11 pm

All I can say is that no matter what system you like to run, if you have a running talent like Tate and you don't incorporate that into your offense, you are a bad coach and you are a stupid coach.

If you allow your QB to refuse to even try to get the rushing yards he can, then you are a bad coach and you are a stupid coach.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:23 pm

How often do old, retread coaches learn from their mistakes and do the smart thing? Hardly ever.

blackjacker · Post by **blackjacker** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:30 pm

It's time to consider that both UM and A&M knew what they were doing.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:36 pm

blackjacker wrote:It's time to consider that both UM and A&M knew what they were doing.

Correct. Sadly.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:38 pm

dmjcat wrote:My two cents on Sumlin:

1) Sumlin is a mediocre coach who is not going to out-coach anyone in this conference. If he has any success it will be
because he out recruited the other team

2) Speaking of recruiting so far Sumlins efforts have been very RRod-like.247Sports currently has our 2019 class ranked #56.
Its early to be sure and Sumlin could turn it around, but I have my doubts.

3) We are going to be stuck with Sumlin for at least 4 years, so I think that its imperative that he surround himself with
very competent coordinators. For me this means jettisoning Yates ASAP.

We agree wholeheartedly in regards to the football program at least dmj.

IrishAzCat · Post by **IrishAzCat** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:09 pm

Remember not too long ago Sumlin totally blew that huge lead against UCLA and lost - totally reminds me of this game...

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:18 pm

IrishAzCat wrote:Remember not too long ago Sumlin totally blew that huge lead against UCLA and lost - totally reminds me of this game...

I was thinking about it as the meltdown was happening. Which leads to the conclusion about Sumlin (about all football coaches really): 1) as I’ve pointed out before, despite the lionization they get, there are few or no football geniuses and in fact, they are kinda dumb profession-wide in general, 2) they are arrogant and lack any tendency toward introspection or self-assessment, 3) they never learn from their mistakes because of 2). Yay.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:33 am

ByJoveByJingle wrote: I was thinking about it as the meltdown was happening. Which leads to the conclusion about Sumlin (about all football coaches really): 1) as I’ve pointed out before, despite the lionization they get, there are few or no fool geniuses and in fact, they are kinda dumb profession-wide in general, 2) they are arrogant and lack any tendency toward introspection or self-assessment, 3) they never learn from their mistakes because of 2). Yay.

So why pay one $3M a year?

Not facetious. Actual question.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:04 am

SCCats wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote: I was thinking about it as the meltdown was happening. Which leads to the conclusion about Sumlin (about all football coaches really): 1) as I’ve pointed out before, despite the lionization they get, there are few or no football geniuses and in fact, they are kinda dumb profession-wide in general, 2) they are arrogant and lack any tendency toward introspection or self-assessment, 3) they never learn from their mistakes because of 2). Yay.
So why pay one $3M a year?

Not facetious. Actual question.

It’s the going rate I guess. Football funds the rest of the athletic program at non-basketball power 5 schools? But yeah it’s a bubble, especially with the future of football so cloudy. At some point it will pop.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:17 am

Just thought I would put this out here.

TAMU seems pretty smart now don't they?

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:43 am

ByJoveByJingle wrote:
SCCats wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote: I was thinking about it as the meltdown was happening. Which leads to the conclusion about Sumlin (about all football coaches really): 1) as I’ve pointed out before, despite the lionization they get, there are few or no football geniuses and in fact, they are kinda dumb profession-wide in general, 2) they are arrogant and lack any tendency toward introspection or self-assessment, 3) they never learn from their mistakes because of 2). Yay.
So why pay one $3M a year?

Not facetious. Actual question.
It’s the going rate I guess. Football funds the rest of the athletic program at non-basketball power 5 schools? But yeah it’s a bubble, especially with the future of football so cloudy. At some point it will pop.

I know no one probably gives a shit but for the first time all year I watched an Arizona football game. Well the 4th quarter of the ASU game. I had to turn it on. I had been good all year in not watching any games and doing my best to give it up but was literally twitching wondering what was happening against ASU. Hate does not die easily I guess. I saw the entire epic collapse. and frankly, I laughed. When Pollack lined up to kick the field goal I told my wife, no way he makes it. She said, do not be so negative. And then he missed and she said Man Arizona football really sucks.

Did anyone here really think he would make it?

Anyways the point of me posting here is to totally agree with the above comment. College Football is a bubble that is not sustainable to me . Sports in general are a bubble similar to what the Music Industry was in 1998. The future of football is beyond cloudy and we should be very thankful we went to a basketball school. Once they are able to test CTE in living players, it will be a massive game changer. At this point, our university has decent debt levels for our athletic department related to football but has the funds necessary to keep going through the money we make from basketball. We are actually pretty low compared to other schools like Cal or ASU. The biggest mistake we can make as a university is funding all the West Side improvements through taking on unsustainable levels of debt which at this point is the current plan. The revenue projections for what football will bring in are a major bubble. I would love to find a way to short it. I have thought there might be way to short the bonds from athletic departments but thats a bit above my pay grade. If anyone knew how to do it, I think they would make a killing long term. Similar to shorting sub-prime mortgages in 2007. These would be a longer term play but ESPN has lost 15 Million subscribers since 2011 including 2 Million in the last year alone. Attendance is down nationwide and the WSJ showed earlier this year that its actually down far more from people actually attending games. The traditional sources of revenue, TV contracts and Attendance, are changing before our eyes.

Back to the point of this thread, its clear Sumlin is not the right answer. Hiring re-treads at a place like Arizona never works. If you can not win at Texas, Michigan, or A&M, there is no precedent to say you will be able to win at Arizona. I think one of the biggest lessons in college sports is you never hire a coach another school is happy is not coaching there anymore. At least with Rich Rod they wrote a book saying he got screwed at UM. With Sumlin, there is not a single A&M fan or reporter who would say anything similar. We should always hire a young and upcoming coach like a Larry Smith or Dick Tomey. Cedric Dempsey had the answer but Livengood and Heeke dismissed it. When in doubt an Arizona AD should always think to themself, WWCD...what would cedric do.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:59 am

I’m not sure A&M paid Sumlin millions to leave and Jimbob double that to come so they could be the 22nd ranked team in the country. Arizona has beaten numerous top ten teams and been ranked 22nd on a not rare basis. Not sure a&m aspires to Arizona level football.

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:44 am

Times Arizona has been ranked in the top 25 in the final AP poll in the last twenty years?

Once.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:59 am

Yeah, that’s fair. But since I’ve been a fan (1988 —>) we’ve been ranked at the bottom of the top 25 many times. It’s not any real measure of success. I’m old enough to remember when being ranked 22nd meant you were just another unranked team. It used to be the Top 20.

RichardCranium · Post by **RichardCranium** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:23 am

ByJoveByJingle wrote:Yeah, that’s fair. But since I’ve been a fan (1988 —>) we’ve been ranked at the bottom of the top 25 many times. It’s not any real measure of success. I’m old enough to remember when being ranked 22nd meant you were just another unranked team. It used to be the Top 20.

Shoot, youngster, I remember when it was just the top ten.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:02 am

RichardCranium wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:Yeah, that’s fair. But since I’ve been a fan (1988 —>) we’ve been ranked at the bottom of the top 25 many times. It’s not any real measure of success. I’m old enough to remember when being ranked 22nd meant you were just another unranked team. It used to be the Top 20.
Shoot, youngster, I remember when it was just the top ten.

Or the Bottom 10 - that was always my favorite as they described how each team blundered their way to earning that recognition.

Northwestern and Oregon State were included every week for years.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:42 am

Sumlin isn't going anywhere any time soon (barring some horrific scandal).

I didn't hear, nor read, his post ASsU game comments.

This team has a lack of talent.

That said, Sumlin did about as bad a job as I could have imagined possible for a first year coach at AZ.

The manner in which we lost the ASsU game is particularly bad, and will leave a bad taste in fans' mouths for some time.

He's gonna have to work real hard at recruiting and then coach his ass off moving forwards.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:23 am

Grading the first year coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... q71lRVypgk" target="_blank

Sumlin came in with a superstar in quarterback Khalil Tate, laid several eggs early, blew a rivalry game to Arizona State and missed a bowl. D

Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:04 am

PieceOfMeat wrote:Sumlin isn't going anywhere any time soon (barring some horrific scandal).

I didn't hear, nor read, his post ASsU game comments.

This team has a lack of talent.

That said, Sumlin did about as bad a job as I could have imagined possible for a first year coach at AZ.

The manner in which we lost the ASsU game is particularly bad, and will leave a bad taste in fans' mouths for some time.

He's gonna have to work real hard at recruiting and then coach his ass off moving forwards.

He's not going anywhere, but that's only because we owe a lot of $ if he does. The coaching was bad this year, period, and he did not come in with a strong rep in coaching from aTm.

His rep was recruiting, and right now that is also floundering. The direction there needs to change fast. People ripped on RichRod's recruiting, but Sumlin is giving us similar results there, but along with being much worse as a game coach.

This was a bad first year. We're locked in by the money, so I hope things change, but this is headed in the wrong direction.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:21 am

Merkin wrote:Grading the first year coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... q71lRVypgk" target="_blank

Sumlin came in with a superstar in quarterback Khalil Tate, laid several eggs early, blew a rivalry game to Arizona State and missed a bowl. D

Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank

So another article on the sideline/press conference demeanor of the coach. Sumlin is emotionless, RichRod and Stoops were over the top etc. This is a tired take and has only been a topic because none of these coaches consistently produced wins. Win and no one will care how you act on the sideline.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:36 am

DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Grading the first year coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... q71lRVypgk" target="_blank

Sumlin came in with a superstar in quarterback Khalil Tate, laid several eggs early, blew a rivalry game to Arizona State and missed a bowl. D

Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
So another article on the sideline/press conference demeanor of the coach. Sumlin is emotionless, RichRod and Stoops were over the top etc. This is a tired take and has only been a topic because none of these coaches consistently produced wins. Win and no one will care how you act on the sideline.

I actually thought Tomey was much more emotionless than Sumlin. You never knew if UA just scored
a TD or threw a pick 6 by looking at his demeanor.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:08 am

It makes no difference how coaches act on the sidelines. What matters is their intelligence.

And, sadly, the smartest thing Kevin Sumlin will ever be remembered for is the guaranteed contract his agent secured with Arizona.

blackjacker · Post by **blackjacker** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:09 am

DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Grading the first year coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... q71lRVypgk" target="_blank

Sumlin came in with a superstar in quarterback Khalil Tate, laid several eggs early, blew a rivalry game to Arizona State and missed a bowl. D

Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
So another article on the sideline/press conference demeanor of the coach. Sumlin is emotionless, RichRod and Stoops were over the top etc. This is a tired take and has only been a topic because none of these coaches consistently produced wins. Win and no one will care how you act on the sideline.

But he probably won't and the program is circling the drain. He was a big mistake and I actually think we should have given RR another year. I realize that allegations made it easier to fire him.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:34 am

blackjacker wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Grading the first year coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... q71lRVypgk" target="_blank

Sumlin came in with a superstar in quarterback Khalil Tate, laid several eggs early, blew a rivalry game to Arizona State and missed a bowl. D

Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
So another article on the sideline/press conference demeanor of the coach. Sumlin is emotionless, RichRod and Stoops were over the top etc. This is a tired take and has only been a topic because none of these coaches consistently produced wins. Win and no one will care how you act on the sideline.
But he probably won't and the program is circling the drain. He was a big mistake and I actually think we should have given RR another year. I realize that allegations made it easier to fire him.

The problem with RichRod was that he had lost Tucson. Even with the most exciting player in college football during October, and having a ranked team (WSU) come into Tucson, I think they only announced 42K seats sold, for a 6 pm game.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:54 am

Merkin wrote:
blackjacker wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Grading the first year coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... q71lRVypgk" target="_blank

Sumlin came in with a superstar in quarterback Khalil Tate, laid several eggs early, blew a rivalry game to Arizona State and missed a bowl. D

Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
So another article on the sideline/press conference demeanor of the coach. Sumlin is emotionless, RichRod and Stoops were over the top etc. This is a tired take and has only been a topic because none of these coaches consistently produced wins. Win and no one will care how you act on the sideline.
But he probably won't and the program is circling the drain. He was a big mistake and I actually think we should have given RR another year. I realize that allegations made it easier to fire him.
The problem with RichRod was that he had lost Tucson. Even with the most exciting player in college football during October, and having a ranked team (WSU) come into Tucson, I think they only announced 42K seats sold, for a 6 pm game.

Yeah, but Sumlin has basically gotten to this same point in terms of attendance and interest immediately. It took RR years to lose Tucson and Sumlin pulled that off way faster.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:05 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: Yeah, but Sumlin has basically gotten to this same point in terms of attendance and interest immediately. It took RR years to lose Tucson and Sumlin pulled that off way faster.

That's for sure. The ASU 4Q debacle was the icing on the cake and the beginning of the end for Sumlin.

Just like the Pigskin Classic v. PSU was the beginning of the end for Tomey.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:34 am

Merkin wrote:Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank

How is it that Greg still has a job after blatantly lying on the radio? I can’t imagine that in Tucson it’s that hard to find old men who love to talk shit. Hire one of them to write shit pieces about UA coaches and who would be able to tell the difference?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:38 am

Chicat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
How is it that Greg still has a job after blatantly lying on the radio? I can’t imagine that in Tucson it’s that hard to find old men who love to talk shit. Hire one of them to write shit pieces about UA coaches and who would be able to tell the difference?

Ryan Finley just can't live without the smell of Greg's farts in the office.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:39 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Merkin wrote:
blackjacker wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Grading the first year coaches: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... q71lRVypgk" target="_blank

Sumlin came in with a superstar in quarterback Khalil Tate, laid several eggs early, blew a rivalry game to Arizona State and missed a bowl. D

Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
So another article on the sideline/press conference demeanor of the coach. Sumlin is emotionless, RichRod and Stoops were over the top etc. This is a tired take and has only been a topic because none of these coaches consistently produced wins. Win and no one will care how you act on the sideline.
But he probably won't and the program is circling the drain. He was a big mistake and I actually think we should have given RR another year. I realize that allegations made it easier to fire him.
The problem with RichRod was that he had lost Tucson. Even with the most exciting player in college football during October, and having a ranked team (WSU) come into Tucson, I think they only announced 42K seats sold, for a 6 pm game.
Yeah, but Sumlin has basically gotten to this same point in terms of attendance and interest immediately. It took RR years to lose Tucson and Sumlin pulled that off way faster.

Turning a preseason Heisman candidate known for his legs to a throwing QB and blowing a 3 possession lead to your rival in the 4th quarter will do that to you. If he keeps Yates, which seems more plausible now than it did after the ASU game, he may lose what he has left of the fanbase just that fast.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:45 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
How is it that Greg still has a job after blatantly lying on the radio? I can’t imagine that in Tucson it’s that hard to find old men who love to talk shit. Hire one of them to write shit pieces about UA coaches and who would be able to tell the difference?
Ryan Finley just can't live without the smell of Greg's farts in the office.

He must really be a sucker for stories about 1970s southern Utah high school golf teams.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:55 am

Chicat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
How is it that Greg still has a job after blatantly lying on the radio? I can’t imagine that in Tucson it’s that hard to find old men who love to talk shit. Hire one of them to write shit pieces about UA coaches and who would be able to tell the difference?
Ryan Finley just can't live without the smell of Greg's farts in the office.
He must really be a sucker for stories about 1970s southern Utah high school golf teams.

"Dear Mr. Football: You remember Harvey Fatjerus and his second-place shot total in 1971 for Acorn Valley State? Of course you do..."

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:01 pm

catgrad97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Greg Hansen on Sumlin's lack of emotion: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/gr ... e-trending" target="_blank
How is it that Greg still has a job after blatantly lying on the radio? I can’t imagine that in Tucson it’s that hard to find old men who love to talk shit. Hire one of them to write shit pieces about UA coaches and who would be able to tell the difference?
Ryan Finley just can't live without the smell of Greg's farts in the office.
He must really be a sucker for stories about 1970s southern Utah high school golf teams.
"Dear Mr. Football: You remember Harvey Fatjerus and his second-place shot total in 1971 for Acorn Valley State? Of course you do..."

They need to get rid of this old fart already.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:06 pm

catgrad97 wrote:It makes no difference how coaches act on the sidelines. What matters is their intelligence.

Agreed. Sideline demeanor means nothing, it's only a talking point if you're losing. Belichick has zero emotion. Saban freaks out on the sideline. Doesn't mean anything.

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:25 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Turning a preseason Heisman candidate known for his legs to a throwing QB and blowing a 3 possession lead to your rival in the 4th quarter will do that to you. If he keeps Yates, which seems more plausible now than it did after the ASU game, he may lose what he has left of the fanbase just that fast.

Do you have some info or just thinking that if Yates was gonna be gone, it would have happened already?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:28 pm

prh wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Turning a preseason Heisman candidate known for his legs to a throwing QB and blowing a 3 possession lead to your rival in the 4th quarter will do that to you. If he keeps Yates, which seems more plausible now than it did after the ASU game, he may lose what he has left of the fanbase just that fast.
Do you have some info or just thinking that if Yates was gonna be gone, it would have happened already?

Choo knows a lot no doubt, but I took that to mean from Sumlin's post game presser that the prevent defense (and offense) didn't lose the game, it was the Tate interception and Taylor fumble that did.

Which seems to me that Sumlin wouldn't change a thing if he had to do it over again.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:40 pm

We really need to stop thinking of UofA football as a power five team and start running it like a high profile mid major.

Should have started this line of thinking like 8-9 years ago.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:42 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:We really need to stop thinking of UofA football as a power five team and start running it like a high profile mid major.

Should have started this line of thinking like 8-9 years ago.

Especially since the Pac-12 is no longer a Power 5 conference.....

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:43 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:We really need to stop thinking of UofA football as a power five team and start running it like a high profile mid major.

Should have started this line of thinking like 8-9 years ago.

Fans have certainly been acting that way for years now

Sorry but this is a terrible take. There is no reason besides fan support that we cannot win the conference

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:45 pm

prh wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Turning a preseason Heisman candidate known for his legs to a throwing QB and blowing a 3 possession lead to your rival in the 4th quarter will do that to you. If he keeps Yates, which seems more plausible now than it did after the ASU game, he may lose what he has left of the fanbase just that fast.
Do you have some info or just thinking that if Yates was gonna be gone, it would have happened already?

The longer this goes with Yates having a job the more likely he will remain in that job. At this point I'd be surprised if he's canned.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:51 pm

PHXCATS wrote: There is no reason besides fan support that we cannot win the conference

Besides the curse.

UA has not won a sole conference championship during the WAC and PAC eras.

Last sole conference championship for Arizona was the 1941 Border Conference. In 1942 the Border Conference champion was Hardin-Simmons.

In 1961 UA joined the WAC, and in 1978 the PAC.

If there are any players left from that 1941 team they would be near 100 years old.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:53 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:We really need to stop thinking of UofA football as a power five team and start running it like a high profile mid major.

Should have started this line of thinking like 8-9 years ago.

You mean like by hiring young cheap hungry up and comers instead of retreads?

Inject that line of thought squarely into my veins.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:56 pm

Merkin wrote:
PHXCATS wrote: There is no reason besides fan support that we cannot win the conference
Besides the curse.

UA has not won a sole conference championship during the WAC and PAC eras.

Last sole conference championship for Arizona was the 1941 Border Conference. In 1942 the Border Conference champion was Hardin-Simmons.

In 1961 UA joined the WAC, and in 1978 the PAC.

If there are any players left from that 1941 team they would be near 100 years old.

Whats the curse Merkin? Curse of the Bambino? Billy Goat Curse? What is it? Or is it loser talk plain and simple

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:05 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:We really need to stop thinking of UofA football as a power five team and start running it like a high profile mid major.

Should have started this line of thinking like 8-9 years ago.
You mean like by hiring young cheap hungry up and comers instead of retreads?

Inject that line of thought squarely into my veins.

Yup and be seen as a destination for said up and coming coaches to recruits their ass off and win big for a step up to a big boy team. Rather than a desperate divorcée looking to put out for every former big name that smiles our way.

A rising tide lifts all ships. Most up and comers will move on but you only need one to stay. Build the system. Right now the system is rotten.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:07 pm

Stoops worked until it didn’t. That’s ok. Go get another.

Sad to think that those are the best years of my Arizona football life.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:11 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:You mean like by hiring young cheap hungry up and comers instead of retreads?

Inject that line of thought squarely into my veins.

That has worked with the basketball program. Hire a head coach from a smaller school who has never been fired.

Used to work with the football program too, with Larry Smith (Tulane) and Dick Tomey (Hawaii).

No more retreads, no more coordinators without head coaching experience.

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