All PAC-12

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:14 pm

Holy crap...some terrible decisions

First Team Offense
QB, Marcus Mariota, Jr., Oregon (3)
RB, Javorius Allen, Jr., USC
RB, Devontae Booker, Jr., Utah RB
WR, Nelson Agholor, Jr., USC
WR, Jaelen Strong, Jr., Arizona State
TE, Pharaoh Brown, Jr., Oregon
OL, Jamil Douglas, Sr., Arizona State
OL, Jake Fisher, Sr., Oregon
OL, Hroniss Grasu, Sr., Oregon (3)
OL, Andrus Peat, Jr., Stanford
OL, Max Tuerk, Jr., USC

First Team Defense
DL, Henry Anderson, Sr., Stanford
DL, Nate Orchard, Sr., Utah
DL, Danny Shelton, Sr., Washington
DL, Leonard Williams, Jr., USC (2)
LB, Hau’oli Kikaha, Sr., Washington
LB, Shaq Thompson, Jr., Washington
LB, Scooby Wright III, So., Arizona
DB, Ishmael Adams, So., UCLA
DB, Su’a Cravens, So., USC
DB, Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, Sr., Oregon (3)
DB, Damarious Randall, Sr., Arizona State
DB, Jordan Richards, Sr., Stanford

First Team Specialists
PK, Andy Phillips, So., Utah
P, Tom Hackett, Jr., Utah (2)
RS, Kaelin Clay, Sr., Utah
AP/ST, Shaq Thompson, Jr., Washington

Second Team Offense
QB, Brett Hundley, Jr., UCLA
RB, D.J. Foster, Jr., Arizona State
RB, Royce Freeman, Fr., Oregon
WR, Vince Mayle, Sr., Washington State
WR, Nelson Spruce, Jr., Colorado
TE, Austin Hooper, So., Stanford
OL, Jake Brendel, Jr., UCLA
OL, Steven Gurrola, Sr., Arizona
OL, Nick Kelly, Jr., Arizona State
OL, Kyle Murphy, Jr., Stanford
OL, Jeremiah Poutasi, Jr., Utah

Second Team Defense
DL, DeForest Buckner, Jr., Oregon
DL, Kenny Clark, So., UCLA
DL, Owamagbe Odigihizuwa, Sr., UCLA
DL, Dylan Wynn, Sr., Oregon State
LB, Myles Jack, So., UCLA
LB, Eric Kendricks, Sr., UCLA
LB, A.J. Tarpley, Sr., Stanford
DB, Erick Dargan, Sr., Oregon
DB, Troy Hill, Sr., Oregon
DB, Anthony Jefferson, Sr., UCLA
DB, Fabian Moreau, Jr., UCLA
DB, Steven Nelson, Sr., Oregon State

Second Team Specialists
PK, Zane Gonzalez, So., Arizona State
P, Drew Riggleman, Jr., Arizona
RS, Ty Montgomery, Sr., Stanford
AP/ST, Charles Nelson, Fr., Oregon
JuJu Smith, Fr., USC

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:16 pm

LMAO!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:19 pm

Call me biased, but that is some serious bullshit.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:21 pm

The problem is 8 players from the UCLA defense were on 1st & 2nd team. In total we had 2 total players that were 1st and 2nd team offense and defense. How are we even in the conference championship

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:22 pm

So AZ wins PAC south and comes in 8th with 3 nominations. Interesting perspectives there.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:23 pm

All snub/honorable mention team is better than 2nd team.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:25 pm

Olsondogg wrote:So AZ wins PAC south and comes in 8th with 3 nominations. Interesting perspectives there.

PAC-12 second leading rusher is the 5th best RB . . . or worse.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:25 pm

I'd maybe have one UCLA DB on that list and not have Myles Jack. No idea where the DB love for UCLA came from. Also surprised Hundley made all second team.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:26 pm

Chicat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:So AZ wins PAC south and comes in 8th with 3 nominations. Interesting perspectives there.
PAC-12 second leading rusher is the 5th best RB . . . or worse.

It's ok, the PAC-12's leading rusher is also 5th best RB...or worse

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:26 pm

Easy to see why RR was coach of the year based upon that vote

ALASKACAT · Post by **ALASKACAT** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:27 pm

3goggles wrote:The problem is 8 players from the UCLA defense were on 1st & 2nd team. In total we had 2 total players that were 1st and 2nd team offense and defense. How are we even in the conference championship

Smoke and mirrors

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:34 pm

Riggleman over Skowron...okay.....

Wouldn't even know where to begin otherwise, so I won't. This isn't a list, it's a first draft at best.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:46 pm

catgrad97 wrote:Riggleman over Skowron...okay.....

Wouldn't even know where to begin otherwise, so I won't. This isn't a list, it's a first draft at best.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:48 pm

PAC-12 ALL-CONFERENCE HONORABLE MENTION

ARIZONA: WR Austin Hill, Sr.; WR Cayleb Jones, So.; DB Jonathan McKnight, Sr.; DL Dan Pettinato, Sr.; QB Anu Solomon, Fr.; DB Jared Tevis, Sr.; RB Nick Wilson, Fr.

ARIZONA STATE: LB DJ Calhoun, Fr.; DB Lloyd Carrington, Jr.; LB Salamo Fiso, So.; DL Marcus Hardison, Sr.; LB Laiu Moeakiola, So.; RB Demario Richard, Fr.; DB Jordan Simone, Jr.; OL Vi Teofilo, Jr.; OL Christian Westerman, Jr.

CALIFORNIA: TE Stephen Anderson, Jr.; LB Michael Barton, So.; OL Chris Borrayo, So.; DL Austin Clark, Sr.; QB Jared Goff, So.; RB Daniel Lasco, Jr.; AP/ST Bryce McGovern, Sr.

COLORADO: DB Greg Henderson, Sr.; QB Sefo Liufau, So.; OL Daniel Munyer, SR.; PK Will Oliver, Sr.; P Darragh O’Neill, Sr.; DL Josh Tupou, Jr.

OREGON: DL Arik Armstead, Jr.; WR Byron Marshall, Jr.; OL Hamani Stevens, Sr.; LB Joe Walker, Jr.

OREGON STATE: LB Michael Doctor, Sr.; QB Sean Mannion, Sr.; DB Ryan Murphy, Sr.; RB Terron Ward, Sr.

STANFORD: LB Kevin Anderson, Sr.; DB Alex Carter, Jr.; DB Zach Hoffpauir, Jr.; LB Blake Martinez, Jr.; WR Ty Montgomery, Sr.; David Parry, Sr.

UCLA: OL Caleb Benenoch, So.; TE Thomas Duarte, So.; AP/ST Ryan Hofmeister, Sr.; WR Jordan Payton, Jr.; RB Paul Perkins, So.; OL Alex Redmond, So.; OL Scott Quessenberry, So.; Eddie Vanderdoes, So.; Jaleel Wadood, Fr.

USC: DB Adoree’ Jackson, Fr.; QB Cody Kessler, Jr.; OL Toa Lobendahn, Fr.; LB Hayes Pullard, Sr.; OL Viane Talamaivao, Fr.; LB J.R. Tavai, Sr.; TE Randall Telfer, Sr.

UTAH: DB Brian Blechen, Sr.; DL Hunter Dimick, So.; DL Lowell Lotulelei, Fr.; LB Jared Norris, Jr.; DB Eric Rowe, Sr.

WASHINGTON: Budda Baker, Fr.; OL Micah Hatchie, Sr.; DL Andrew Hudson, Sr.; RS John Ross, So.; OL Colin Tanigawa, Sr.; LB John Timu, Sr.; PK Cameron Van Winkle, So.

WASHINGTON STATE: LB Jeremiah Allison, Jr.; DB Daquawn Brown, So.; OL Joe Dahl, Jr.; QB Connor Halliday, Sr.

ALL-CONFERENCE NOTES...
• With the exception of the Scholar-Athlete of the Year Award, All-Conference honors are voted on by the Pac-12 Head Coaches.
• The All-Conference defensive team usually consists of 11 players (4 DL, 3 LB, 4 DB). However, there was a tie at defensive back for both the first team and second team. Hence, five defensive backs are listed on both squads. There was also a tie for second team AP/ST.
• Oregon’s Marcus Mariota is the first quarterback in league history to earn first team honors three times.
• Washington’s Shaq Thompson is a double honoree, earning first team honors on defense (LB) and special teams (AP/ST)
• First team honors by class: 11 seniors, 11 juniors, 4 sophomores.
• Second team honors by class: 11 seniors, 10 juniors, 4 sophomores, 3 freshmen

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:50 pm

Apparently Jake Fisher has the strength of 10 men since he can make 1st team playing half a season and his absence was also the whole reason Arizona was able to beat them. We're screwed on Friday with that juggernaut in the lineup.

Perkins not even making 2nd team is the biggest fail - D.J. Foster is a nice player but doesn't belong in front of Perkins at all. (Or Nick Wilson, but I'm biased.....)

Too much love for a Stanford OL that for most of the year couldn't open a hole that Barry Sanders Sr. could run through.

At this point, I am happy with the Arizona snubs though....more fuel for the fire.....

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:52 pm

So the rb with the 2nd most tds, 2nd highest ypg average and 4th most total yards on the south division champion team....is honorable mention. Kayyyy...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:57 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:So AZ wins PAC south and comes in 8th with 3 nominations. Interesting perspectives there.
PAC-12 second leading rusher is the 5th best RB . . . or worse.
It's ok, the PAC-12's leading rusher is also 5th best RB...or worse

Well then their respective offensive lines must have been highly honored for opening gigantic holes that any old schlep could stumble through for a 1,000 yard season.

Oh wait...

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:59 pm

Bondurant didn't even get honorable mention?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:59 pm

azthrillhouse wrote:Apparently Jake Fisher has the strength of 10 men since he can make 1st team playing half a season and his absence was also the whole reason Arizona was able to beat them. We're screwed on Friday with that juggernaut in the lineup.

Perkins not even making 2nd team is the biggest fail - D.J. Foster is a nice player but doesn't belong in front of Perkins at all. (Or Nick Wilson, but I'm biased.....)

Too much love for a Stanford OL that for most of the year couldn't open a hole that Barry Sanders Sr. could run through.

At this point, I am happy with the Arizona snubs though....more fuel for the fire.....

DJ Foster
147 vs Weber st
216 vs New Mex
147 vs CU

And
30 vs ucla
13 vs SC
59 vs Stan
36 vs UW
53 vs Utah
51 vs OSU
34 vs Ariz

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:02 pm

Bug,
Didn't you know D.J. Foster is better than Ka'Deem?
That's what all the Scummies told us when they committed to their respective schools.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:26 pm

Shout out to the Butkus award folks. So you don't have the defensive POY of the PAC 12 and first team LB as a finalist, but you do have Kendricks of Ucla who is a 2nd teamer for the Pac 12 as a finalist. That's a little awkward isn't it.

ALASKACAT · Post by **ALASKACAT** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:29 pm

Pac 12 coaches didn't think much of Arizona's offensive line, besides the center.

What does the AP stand for AP/ST?

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:35 pm

dc4azcats wrote:Shout out to the Butkis award folks. So you don't have the defensive POY of the PAC 12 and first team LB as a finalist, but you do have Kendricks of Ucla who is a 2nd teamer for the Pac 12 as a finalist. That's a little awkward isn't it.

Kendricks doesn't deserve to be on that list ahead of Scooby, but he should have been a first team selection, as should Paul Perkins. Some of the other Bruins, however....

That list is a complete joke, and I would not hold it up as an example for anything. They got the Off POY, Def POY, and COY selections right, as for the rest of it... Not so much.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:37 pm

dc4azcats wrote:Shout out to the Butkis award folks. So you don't have the defensive POY of the PAC 12 and first team LB as a finalist, but you do have Kendricks of Ucla who is a 2nd teamer for the Pac 12 as a finalist. That's a little awkward isn't it.

Based on a lot of these All PAC-12 selections, this isnt going to help your case.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:38 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:Bug,
Didn't you know D.J. Foster is better than Ka'Deem?
That's what all the Scummies told us when they committed to their respective schools.

Not sure what is funnier... Him being better than Kadeem or him being on the 1st team. He did not deserve to be on the 2nd...

The only thing I can say for the Tempe Turds is that he he does appear to be better than one player they claimed he was coming out of HS.

Catstatic · Post by **Catstatic** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:46 pm

Imagine what RR might do with talented players.

Love the OKG's! Can't wait for Friday.

Go Cats!!

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:10 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
azthrillhouse wrote:Apparently Jake Fisher has the strength of 10 men since he can make 1st team playing half a season and his absence was also the whole reason Arizona was able to beat them. We're screwed on Friday with that juggernaut in the lineup.

Perkins not even making 2nd team is the biggest fail - D.J. Foster is a nice player but doesn't belong in front of Perkins at all. (Or Nick Wilson, but I'm biased.....)

Too much love for a Stanford OL that for most of the year couldn't open a hole that Barry Sanders Sr. could run through.

At this point, I am happy with the Arizona snubs though....more fuel for the fire.....
DJ Foster
147 vs Weber st
216 vs New Mex
147 vs CU

And
30 vs ucla
13 vs SC
59 vs Stan
36 vs UW
53 vs Utah
51 vs OSU
34 vs Ariz

Wow that is good stuff Bug. I would be curious to see combined yards as DJ is more of a scatback and does have a lot of receiving yards....but even with that, Perkins got hosed.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:19 pm

D.J. Foster belongs nowhere near an all-Pac-12 team.

The USAToday Coaches poll has more thought put into it than this Top 30 of guys who looked cool on TV.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:20 pm

catgrad97 wrote:Riggleman over Skowron...okay.....

Wouldn't even know where to begin otherwise, so I won't. This isn't a list, it's a first draft at best.

Huh? I am pretty sure you realize that they play different positions, right?

Riggleman was 2nd in punting average. Skowron was 9th in FG percentage.

So what point were you trying to make?

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:26 pm

RichRod won the coach of the year. That must've been a landslide considering he squeezed 10 wins out of this sorry collection of players, right?

If the shoulder chip was starting to slide off amidst all the love we have been receiving, this cemented it back in place with super glue... Lots of snubbed guys lining up against all-conference counterparts on Friday

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:31 pm

Skowron deserved an All-conference honor before Riggleman, who had a decent average but whose individual achievements didn't approach 110 points over the season, a couple of key onside kicks and a fake FG for touchdown. But that was just the tip of the iceberg of what was wrong with this sorry list.

Harvey, why can't you at least pretend I am aware of certain fundamental precepts of Arizona football, such as awareness of who plays different positions, before crafting your argument?

Every time you disagree with me is so ridiculously condescending I usually can't even respond to you. You have the most simplistic reading of my takes and respond like I'm some dumbsh*t who hasn't followed the program the last three decades.

I'm not above telling you to come back and contribute with something a little more constructive. And that's my point.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:00 am

catgrad97 wrote:You have the most simplistic reading of my takes...

That's his schtick. He did it to me in another thread, when I said if we were ranked such-and-such that "everyone" ahead of us would have to lose...he responds (and I'm paraphrasing) "well how can they all lose if a team is idle?". as if my point wasn't obvious.

Just put him on ignore, it'll make your message board experience more enjoyable

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:57 am

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:02 am

I love it. Just more motivation for a team that is already going to be pissed of Friday night.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:17 am

MrBug708 wrote:PAC-12 ALL-CONFERENCE HONORABLE MENTION

ARIZONA: WR Austin Hill, Sr.; WR Cayleb Jones, So.; DB Jonathan McKnight, Sr.; DL Dan Pettinato, Sr.; QB Anu Solomon, Fr.; DB Jared Tevis, Sr.; RB Nick Wilson, Fr.

ARIZONA STATE: LB DJ Calhoun, Fr.; DB Lloyd Carrington, Jr.; LB Salamo Fiso, So.; DL Marcus Hardison, Sr.; LB Laiu Moeakiola, So.; RB Demario Richard, Fr.; DB Jordan Simone, Jr.; OL Vi Teofilo, Jr.; OL Christian Westerman, Jr.

CALIFORNIA: TE Stephen Anderson, Jr.; LB Michael Barton, So.; OL Chris Borrayo, So.; DL Austin Clark, Sr.; QB Jared Goff, So.; RB Daniel Lasco, Jr.; AP/ST Bryce McGovern, Sr.

COLORADO: DB Greg Henderson, Sr.; QB Sefo Liufau, So.; OL Daniel Munyer, SR.; PK Will Oliver, Sr.; P Darragh O’Neill, Sr.; DL Josh Tupou, Jr.

OREGON: DL Arik Armstead, Jr.; WR Byron Marshall, Jr.; OL Hamani Stevens, Sr.; LB Joe Walker, Jr.

OREGON STATE: LB Michael Doctor, Sr.; QB Sean Mannion, Sr.; DB Ryan Murphy, Sr.; RB Terron Ward, Sr.

STANFORD: LB Kevin Anderson, Sr.; DB Alex Carter, Jr.; DB Zach Hoffpauir, Jr.; LB Blake Martinez, Jr.; WR Ty Montgomery, Sr.; David Parry, Sr.

UCLA: OL Caleb Benenoch, So.; TE Thomas Duarte, So.; AP/ST Ryan Hofmeister, Sr.; WR Jordan Payton, Jr.; RB Paul Perkins, So.; OL Alex Redmond, So.; OL Scott Quessenberry, So.; Eddie Vanderdoes, So.; Jaleel Wadood, Fr.

USC: DB Adoree’ Jackson, Fr.; QB Cody Kessler, Jr.; OL Toa Lobendahn, Fr.; LB Hayes Pullard, Sr.; OL Viane Talamaivao, Fr.; LB J.R. Tavai, Sr.; TE Randall Telfer, Sr.

UTAH: DB Brian Blechen, Sr.; DL Hunter Dimick, So.; DL Lowell Lotulelei, Fr.; LB Jared Norris, Jr.; DB Eric Rowe, Sr.

WASHINGTON: Budda Baker, Fr.; OL Micah Hatchie, Sr.; DL Andrew Hudson, Sr.; RS John Ross, So.; OL Colin Tanigawa, Sr.; LB John Timu, Sr.; PK Cameron Van Winkle, So.

WASHINGTON STATE: LB Jeremiah Allison, Jr.; DB Daquawn Brown, So.; OL Joe Dahl, Jr.; QB Connor Halliday, Sr.

ALL-CONFERENCE NOTES...
• With the exception of the Scholar-Athlete of the Year Award, All-Conference honors are voted on by the Pac-12 Head Coaches.
• The All-Conference defensive team usually consists of 11 players (4 DL, 3 LB, 4 DB). However, there was a tie at defensive back for both the first team and second team. Hence, five defensive backs are listed on both squads. There was also a tie for second team AP/ST.
• Oregon’s Marcus Mariota is the first quarterback in league history to earn first team honors three times.
• Washington’s Shaq Thompson is a double honoree, earning first team honors on defense (LB) and special teams (AP/ST)
• First team honors by class: 11 seniors, 11 juniors, 4 sophomores.
• Second team honors by class: 11 seniors, 10 juniors, 4 sophomores, 3 freshmen

My offense is better than your offense.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:22 am

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:22 am

Hope the Cats use this as more motivation to light up the Ducks Friday.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:59 am

catgrad97 wrote:Skowron deserved an All-conference honor before Riggleman, who had a decent average but whose individual achievements didn't approach 110 points over the season, a couple of key onside kicks and a fake FG for touchdown. But that was just the tip of the iceberg of what was wrong with this sorry list.

Casey's been a big part of what this team has done all year and what he did against UW will forever be one of the best moments I've seen at the stadium (and there's been a lot of that this year.) That said, as important as kicking PATs and FGs is, winning the field position battle is just as important. Pushing your opponent back another 10 yards is 10 yards your defense has to work with. It's 10 yards you get back when you force the other team to punt it back. Riggleman isn't just one of the leaders in the Pac, he's also one of the top nationally.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:07 am

MrBug708 wrote:
azthrillhouse wrote:Apparently Jake Fisher has the strength of 10 men since he can make 1st team playing half a season and his absence was also the whole reason Arizona was able to beat them. We're screwed on Friday with that juggernaut in the lineup.

Perkins not even making 2nd team is the biggest fail - D.J. Foster is a nice player but doesn't belong in front of Perkins at all. (Or Nick Wilson, but I'm biased.....)

Too much love for a Stanford OL that for most of the year couldn't open a hole that Barry Sanders Sr. could run through.

At this point, I am happy with the Arizona snubs though....more fuel for the fire.....
DJ Foster
147 vs Weber st
216 vs New Mex
147 vs CU

And
30 vs ucla
13 vs SC
59 vs Stan
36 vs UW
53 vs Utah
51 vs OSU
34 vs Ariz

Interesting how you pick and choose what stats to use. You fail to include Foster's 21 carries for 120 yds against Notre Dame, and his 15 carries for 96 yard and 3 td's against WSU. I personally dont think Foster should be 2nd team, but tell the whole story if you are going to use stats as support.

IMO Foster is a better slot receiver than he is a RB. Lets look at the regular season output of Paul Perkins, Nick Wilson, and DJ Foster:

Paul Perkins: 1583 total yards 9 TD's
Nick Wilson: 1355 total yards 16 TD's
DJ Foster: 1648 total yards 13 TD's

As you correctly noted, DJ Foster had quite a few of his rushing yards against bad teams (Weber St, New Mexico, and CU). I believe strength of schedule HAS to be taken into account, and when it is, I believe it is no contest, UCLA > ASU > UA, meaning the spot should have gone to Paul Perkins. Since there is such a disparity in OOC schedule, lets compare the players output in Pac 12 play:

Paul Perkins: 1199 total yards 7 TD's
Nick Wilson: 885 total yards 12 TD's
DJ Foster: 1075 total yards 9 TD's

So total output in conference play: Paul Perkins > DJ Foster > Nick Wilson

When looking at only rushing output, and given Nick Wilson injury situation this season, I would say of the 3 as strictly running backs: Paul Perkins > Nick Wilson > DJ Foster.

Also, I really believe the more accurate way of determining output would be to look at YPC against conference opponents. I just dont have time to crunch those numbers right now.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:48 am

Today I learned that this is SUCH a disparity between ASU and UofA's OOC schedules:

Using Sagarin:

36 Notre Dame
171 New Mexico
188 Weber State
-----------------
Average Rank: 132

66 Nevada
132 UTSA
157 UNLV
---------------
Average Rank 118

SDD just keeping it real again.

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:51 am

MrBug708 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:So AZ wins PAC south and comes in 8th with 3 nominations. Interesting perspectives there.
PAC-12 second leading rusher is the 5th best RB . . . or worse.
It's ok, the PAC-12's leading rusher is also 5th best RB...or worse

Yea really Perkins is the only one that I absolutely can't fathom not being on even the second team. It's a crappy list no doubt, but little representation from UA doesn't bother me. We just aren't a team of superstars. All I can guess is that Wilson's conference numbers are what was considered where looks a bit more average, especially gross numbers.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:58 am

I would have thought one of our two SR tackles would have been honorable mention ar least

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:02 am

Also, they really should publish votes. Assuming same group of media vote like in the preseason rankings? Or is there a committee?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:05 am

threenumberones wrote:Also, they really should publish votes. Assuming same group of media vote like in the preseason rankings? Or is there a committee?

Is it the media or the coaches who vote?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:06 am

According to a post above it's coaches.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:01 am

PieceOfMeat wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:You have the most simplistic reading of my takes...
That's his schtick. He did it to me in another thread, when I said if we were ranked such-and-such that "everyone" ahead of us would have to lose...he responds (and I'm paraphrasing) "well how can they all lose if a team is idle?". as if my point wasn't obvious.

Just put him on ignore, it'll make your message board experience more enjoyable

Good idea, and I'll return the favor. I am clearly unable to interpret the implied meanings of your posts... maybe they're actually intended to read as positive and objective as opposed to paranoid and angry.

Needing for ONE TEAM ahead of us to lose (which is all we needed whether we were ranked #7 or #8, aside from the one ahead of us that we're playing) is completely different than needing EVERY team to lose... especially when there are 6-7 ahead of us. Reasonably you could have meant that every team ahead of us in position for the 4 spot... which is still wrong.

If you assumed that we would jump an idle Mich St team with a win over Oregon, then why did you care so much if we were ranked 1 spot behind them? Your "shtick" is to post defeatist mumblings and then state "that's not what I meant".

In other news, we were ranked #7 in the CFP poll... which is exactly where we deserve to be right now. Must have been an erroneous result from the machine that is forever conspiring against Arizona football.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:03 am

UAEebs86 wrote:Today I learned that this is SUCH a disparity between ASU and UofA's OOC schedules:

Using Sagarin:

36 Notre Dame
171 New Mexico
188 Weber State
-----------------
Average Rank: 132

66 Nevada
132 UTSA
157 UNLV
---------------
Average Rank 118

SDD just keeping it real again.

The disparity is UCLA to ASU/UA. Just keeping it real.

Saint James · Post by **Saint James** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:09 am

azthrillhouse wrote:Apparently Jake Fisher has the strength of 10 men since he can make 1st team playing half a season and his absence was also the whole reason Arizona was able to beat them. We're screwed on Friday with that juggernaut in the lineup.

Perkins not even making 2nd team is the biggest fail - D.J. Foster is a nice player but doesn't belong in front of Perkins at all. (Or Nick Wilson, but I'm biased.....)

Too much love for a Stanford OL that for most of the year couldn't open a hole that Barry Sanders Sr. could run through.

At this point, I am happy with the Arizona snubs though....more fuel for the fire.....

I think Barry Sanders Sr. is too old to run through very many holes but I could be wrong.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:09 am

azgreg wrote:According to a post above it's coaches.

So it's actually some media director for the AD voting like in the coach's poll?

RichRod doesn't have time for that bullshit.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:13 am

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:Today I learned that this is SUCH a disparity between ASU and UofA's OOC schedules:

Using Sagarin:

36 Notre Dame
171 New Mexico
188 Weber State
-----------------
Average Rank: 132

66 Nevada
132 UTSA
157 UNLV
---------------
Average Rank 118

SDD just keeping it real again.
The disparity is UCLA to ASU/UA. Just keeping it real.

That's not the way you wrote your post. Sorry for reading what you wrote. "UCLA>ASU>UA" right after "such a disparity".

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