2024 Season Thread

[scumdevils86]

How does this end/blow up winger?

One league/division only for the elite football programs and everything/other sport goes back to regional conferences.

This is honestly what I've thought for the last decade now.

[CalStateTempe]

Let them have their superleague.

I won’t watch

[dmjcat]

Or else he'll hit the transfer portal and go make a lot of $$$$$$$$$ elsewhere.

Once a kid is not playing for you there is NO guarantee you will ever see him again in this new NIL/Portal world

[Merkin]

I have no insider knowledge, but don't expect him back. He is obviously not in the plans and could get a lot more carries elsewhere.

Looks like he is/was now 2nd on the depth chart. https://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-d ... zona/89946

[Chicat]

Seems odd. He had a pretty big role already. Does this mean JCM is coming back?

[CatsbyAZ]

Or else he'll hit the transfer portal and go make a lot of $$$$$$$$$ elsewhere.

Seemed like it was only last week (because it was) that as long as you got through the offseason deadlines you could be sure of what your roster was going into the new season. Now it looks like you have to wait until game 5. Thanks NIL/Portal/Realignment era that's making this sport more difficult to follow with each passing year.

[wyo-cat]

This righting a wrong of the Fisch era.

He should have redshirted right away.

Next year it’s him and Reescano. No Quali or JCM to Hoover up PT.

[Carcassdragger]

I think Speedy is a very valuable guy and hope he remains a Wildcat for life. He has a high ceiling.

[Merkin]

Wish I would have kept the screen capture of that long Fifita pick. T-Mac was double covered and had gone out of bounds.

There were 2 receivers wide open in the middle of the field with no defender within 10 yards of them.

And what's with T-Mac trying to one hand catches? Seems just a step slow too. I seem to recall Brennan saying post game after Utah that they need to rest him more.

[Carcassdragger]

Wish I would have kept the screen capture of that long Fifita pick. T-Mac was double covered and had gone out of bounds.

There were 2 receivers wide open in the middle of the field with no defender within 10 yards of them.

And what's with T-Mac trying to one hand catches? Seems just a step slow too. I seem to recall Brennan saying post game after Utah that they need to rest him more.

Three touchdowns in three games....... with this group of players?

Really bad.

[IrishAzCat]

[Merkin]

^Fantastic Irish!

You tell 'em Gumby!

WE ARE ARIZONA!

[Merkin]

Poor coaching, no Cowling, little time to throw...

[PHXCATS]

Wish I would have kept the screen capture of that long Fifita pick. T-Mac was double covered and had gone out of bounds.

There were 2 receivers wide open in the middle of the field with no defender within 10 yards of them.

And what's with T-Mac trying to one hand catches? Seems just a step slow too. I seem to recall Brennan saying post game after Utah that they need to rest him more.

Posting Luke

[Merkin]

Wish I would have kept the screen capture of that long Fifita pick. T-Mac was double covered and had gone out of bounds.

There were 2 receivers wide open in the middle of the field with no defender within 10 yards of them.

And what's with T-Mac trying to one hand catches? Seems just a step slow too. I seem to recall Brennan saying post game after Utah that they need to rest him more.

Posting Luke

Do you ever stop being a dick? Is that even humanly possible?

If he triggers you so much block him and block me.

[RawleArenas]

I write this post with a heavy heart. I really wanted the Brennan Experiment to work, I really did. I held back on my initial impressions on the coaching staff until I watched them play the first two games, after which it became readily apparent that we are simply not built to compete at a high level.

It was telling after winning the Utah game and seeing the goober smile washed across Brennan's face that he just isn't the guy. From the beginning, he looked like a person that found a hundred dollar bill on the sidewalk; and in many ways he did. No coach with his resume would be given a shot to coach a ranked team with multiple first rounders and all conference level players. The mid major success that Lloyd had before coming here is in a completely different category than the type of success Brennan had. The way he builds and leads is simply not good enough at the high major level. This would have been clear if the powers that be did their due diligence before hiring him.

Tommy Lloyd was an assistant at a de facto high major program in a mid major conference. He had a critical role on a team that won over 80 percent of its games, a role that had him designing the offense as well as recruiting and developing under the radar players. The leader he studied under was a FAR better coach apples to apples than Tomey ever was. He had great connections and was respected around the NBA as a player's coach. While it was a bit of a gamble to give him the keys to the Rolls having never led before, he quickly proved that he was up to the task, earning a 1 seed while overseeing the greatest development story in UofA history (Ballo).

If Brennan coached at Boise State, basically a lesser football version of what the Zags do, then the feelings around the fan base would be different. The product on the field would be different. But at San Jose State, he didn't show the ability to scheme, recruit or build at the level that would warrant a transition to a tougher conference. His intelligence and understanding of the game (as well as players), is average at best. There's nothing about him that inspires confidence that he can get the Wildcats to the next level. Watching Noah's body language the past game was just crushing, because I know that he's a winner through and through. The staff that we have is not equipped to handle high level players.

NEVER hire guys that are used to losing. Brennan, Gonzalez and Babers are accustomed to getting paid millions of dollars for putting a poor product on the field. Babers had one good season over the last five. Gonzales had losing seasons every year at New Mexico. Brennan was teetering and struggling before he came here. The first thing that Fisch did was gut the culture that UofA had by bringing in winners, on the recruiting trail and from his contacts within his explosive Rolodex (that's an archaic filing system for those under the age of 40). Having competent guys who have won, recruited and developed at a high level helped us turn around our football program much faster than expected. Of course we're going to have good games from time to time, because Brennan is joyriding with Fisch's recruits and leftover culture. But make no mistake, the coaching staff would never be able to recruit the type of players that Fisch brought in on their own. They just couldn't. The reason why we went on a winning streak last year was because we had NFL guys at every major position (TMac, Cowing, McLachlan, Morgan, Coleman, Ephesians and Tacario, Loop). We had all conference level players at other positions (Manu, Fifita, Gunner, Stukes). The guys we hired don't have any experience getting this caliber of player whatsoever.

It's clear that if you want to build a team in today's football climate, you have to go young. Whether that's nabbing an up and coming position coach in the NFL or a highly successful up and comer at the Power 4 or FCS level (think DeBoer at Washington). You want sharp, young, hungry guys who want to make a name for themselves. who have outstanding people skills. Without people skills, you can't become an ace recruiter, you can't assemble effective coaching staffs, you can't represent the school in a way that makes the fanbase proud. There's a reason that Leipold turned down Washington, sometimes a jump can ruin your career if you're not ready. I just don't think Brennan is smart enough to realize that, which is a problem all on it's own. We've seen what we can be, we just now have to hope that in the future that our leadership
learns from its mistakes.

[Carcassdragger]

I write this post with a heavy heart. I really wanted the Brennan Experiment to work, I really did. I held back on my initial impressions on the coaching staff until I watched them play the first two games, after which it became readily apparent that we are simply not built to compete at a high level.

It was telling after winning the Utah game and seeing the goober smile washed across Brennan's face that he just isn't the guy. From the beginning, he looked like a person that found a hundred dollar bill on the sidewalk; and in many ways he did. No coach with his resume would be given a shot to coach a ranked team with multiple first rounders and all conference level players. The mid major success that Lloyd had before coming here is in a completely different category than the type of success Brennan had. The way he builds and leads is simply not good enough at the high major level. This would have been clear if the powers that be did their due diligence before hiring him.

Tommy Lloyd was an assistant at a de facto high major program in a mid major conference. He had a critical role on a team that won over 80 percent of its games, a role that had him designing the offense as well as recruiting and developing under the radar players. The leader he studied under was a FAR better coach apples to apples than Tomey ever was. He had great connections and was respected around the NBA as a player's coach. While it was a bit of a gamble to give him the keys to the Rolls having never led before, he quickly proved that he was up to the task, earning a 1 seed while overseeing the greatest development story in UofA history (Ballo).

If Brennan coached at Boise State, basically a lesser football version of what the Zags do, then the feelings around the fan base would be different. The product on the field would be different. But at San Jose State, he didn't show the ability to scheme, recruit or build at the level that would warrant a transition to a tougher conference. His intelligence and understanding of the game (as well as players), is average at best. There's nothing about him that inspires confidence that he can get the Wildcats to the next level. Watching Noah's body language the past game was just crushing, because I know that he's a winner through and through. The staff that we have is not equipped to handle high level players.

NEVER hire guys that are used to losing. Brennan, Gonzalez and Babers are accustomed to getting paid millions of dollars for putting a poor product on the field. Babers had one good season over the last five. Gonzales had losing seasons every year at New Mexico. Brennan was teetering and struggling before he came here. The first thing that Fisch did was gut the culture that UofA had by bringing in winners, on the recruiting trail and from his contacts within his explosive Rolodex (that's an archaic filing system for those under the age of 40). Having competent guys who have won, recruited and developed at a high level helped us turn around our football program much faster than expected. Of course we're going to have good games from time to time, because Brennan is joyriding with Fisch's recruits and leftover culture. But make no mistake, the coaching staff would never be able to recruit the type of players that Fisch brought in on their own. They just couldn't. The reason why we went on a winning streak last year was because we had NFL guys at every major position (TMac, Cowing, McLachlan, Morgan, Coleman, Ephesians and Tacario, Loop). We had all conference level players at other positions (Manu, Fifita, Gunner, Stukes). The guys we hired don't have any experience getting this caliber of player whatsoever.

It's clear that if you want to build a team in today's football climate, you have to go young. Whether that's nabbing an up and coming position coach in the NFL or a highly successful up and comer at the Power 4 or FCS level (think DeBoer at Washington). You want sharp, young, hungry guys who want to make a name for themselves. who have outstanding people skills. Without people skills, you can't become an ace recruiter, you can't assemble effective coaching staffs, you can't represent the school in a way that makes the fanbase proud. There's a reason that Leipold turned down Washington, sometimes a jump can ruin your career if you're not ready. I just don't think Brennan is smart enough to realize that, which is a problem all on it's own. We've seen what we can be, we just now have to hope that in the future that our leadership
learns from its mistakes.

I think this is a little harsh. Defense looks pretty good. And some of work they did on the portal seems ok. I also think BB has great people skills.

It's just clear that we need a new OC and a QB coach. Three touchdowns in three games with the former National Offensive Player of the year at QB, the best WR in the nation, and a serviceable line with a future high draftee on it- no to mention a good tight end and running back? Fucking pathetic.

Unfortunately the soonest that we can get a replacement OC and a QB coach is after this season once it's relegated to another year of lost potential.

Shades of Sumlin wasting Tate. Fuck.

[pc in NM]

Jeesh!!! Arizona fans are so fickle!!! Five-fucking-games.

Any reasonable, experienced program, and fans of such, should accord a new coach at least three years, barring mal- or misfeasance!

Last year's team greatly exceeded expectations!

The coaching staff that put that team together is gone.

About ten of the key players are gone.

Some of the returning players are performing below their level from last year.

Some of the new transfers are NOT performing to the level of those they've replaced (yet!!).

Continuing the improvement over last year's (totally unexpected) performance was wishful thinking - within the realm of possibility, buy, realistically, "wishful".

Brennan deserves time to put his system together.

And, ragging on this QB is totally unforgivable!! Fuck that!!

BTFD!!!!

[RawleArenas]

I write this post with a heavy heart. I really wanted the Brennan Experiment to work, I really did. I held back on my initial impressions on the coaching staff until I watched them play the first two games, after which it became readily apparent that we are simply not built to compete at a high level.

It was telling after winning the Utah game and seeing the goober smile washed across Brennan's face that he just isn't the guy. From the beginning, he looked like a person that found a hundred dollar bill on the sidewalk; and in many ways he did. No coach with his resume would be given a shot to coach a ranked team with multiple first rounders and all conference level players. The mid major success that Lloyd had before coming here is in a completely different category than the type of success Brennan had. The way he builds and leads is simply not good enough at the high major level. This would have been clear if the powers that be did their due diligence before hiring him.

Tommy Lloyd was an assistant at a de facto high major program in a mid major conference. He had a critical role on a team that won over 80 percent of its games, a role that had him designing the offense as well as recruiting and developing under the radar players. The leader he studied under was a FAR better coach apples to apples than Tomey ever was. He had great connections and was respected around the NBA as a player's coach. While it was a bit of a gamble to give him the keys to the Rolls having never led before, he quickly proved that he was up to the task, earning a 1 seed while overseeing the greatest development story in UofA history (Ballo).

If Brennan coached at Boise State, basically a lesser football version of what the Zags do, then the feelings around the fan base would be different. The product on the field would be different. But at San Jose State, he didn't show the ability to scheme, recruit or build at the level that would warrant a transition to a tougher conference. His intelligence and understanding of the game (as well as players), is average at best. There's nothing about him that inspires confidence that he can get the Wildcats to the next level. Watching Noah's body language the past game was just crushing, because I know that he's a winner through and through. The staff that we have is not equipped to handle high level players.

NEVER hire guys that are used to losing. Brennan, Gonzalez and Babers are accustomed to getting paid millions of dollars for putting a poor product on the field. Babers had one good season over the last five. Gonzales had losing seasons every year at New Mexico. Brennan was teetering and struggling before he came here. The first thing that Fisch did was gut the culture that UofA had by bringing in winners, on the recruiting trail and from his contacts within his explosive Rolodex (that's an archaic filing system for those under the age of 40). Having competent guys who have won, recruited and developed at a high level helped us turn around our football program much faster than expected. Of course we're going to have good games from time to time, because Brennan is joyriding with Fisch's recruits and leftover culture. But make no mistake, the coaching staff would never be able to recruit the type of players that Fisch brought in on their own. They just couldn't. The reason why we went on a winning streak last year was because we had NFL guys at every major position (TMac, Cowing, McLachlan, Morgan, Coleman, Ephesians and Tacario, Loop). We had all conference level players at other positions (Manu, Fifita, Gunner, Stukes). The guys we hired don't have any experience getting this caliber of player whatsoever.

It's clear that if you want to build a team in today's football climate, you have to go young. Whether that's nabbing an up and coming position coach in the NFL or a highly successful up and comer at the Power 4 or FCS level (think DeBoer at Washington). You want sharp, young, hungry guys who want to make a name for themselves. who have outstanding people skills. Without people skills, you can't become an ace recruiter, you can't assemble effective coaching staffs, you can't represent the school in a way that makes the fanbase proud. There's a reason that Leipold turned down Washington, sometimes a jump can ruin your career if you're not ready. I just don't think Brennan is smart enough to realize that, which is a problem all on it's own. We've seen what we can be, we just now have to hope that in the future that our leadership
learns from its mistakes.

I think this is a little harsh. Defense looks pretty good. And some of work they did on the portal seems ok. I also think BB has great people skills.

It's just clear that we need a new OC and a QB coach. Three touchdowns in three games with the former National Offensive Player of the year at QB, the best WR in the nation, and a serviceable line with a future high draftee on it- no to mention a good tight end and running back? Fucking pathetic.

Unfortunately the soonest that we can get a replacement OC and a QB is after this season once it's relegated to another year of lost potential.

Shades of Sumlin wasting Tate. Fuck.

Hey Carcass, you're correct the defense look more than solid. Conley and Jacory are legit. Some of the recruits they have coming in look decent. The problem is, our current success on the field is based on coaches that are not technically retreads (Akina and Carter). If Tyler Loop has to save your team to keep the score close, your offense has suffered a breakdown. When have you ever seen TMac fumble? I just don't have the confidence that Brennan would hire the right guy or bring in a QB that moves the needle. Although I did like the qb he had for a while at SJSU, he would have been really good in a different system. Lastly, you have to be able to be disciplinarian in chief in order to fix things. Do you honestly see this in Brennan?

[Carcassdragger]

I write this post with a heavy heart. I really wanted the Brennan Experiment to work, I really did. I held back on my initial impressions on the coaching staff until I watched them play the first two games, after which it became readily apparent that we are simply not built to compete at a high level.

It was telling after winning the Utah game and seeing the goober smile washed across Brennan's face that he just isn't the guy. From the beginning, he looked like a person that found a hundred dollar bill on the sidewalk; and in many ways he did. No coach with his resume would be given a shot to coach a ranked team with multiple first rounders and all conference level players. The mid major success that Lloyd had before coming here is in a completely different category than the type of success Brennan had. The way he builds and leads is simply not good enough at the high major level. This would have been clear if the powers that be did their due diligence before hiring him.

Tommy Lloyd was an assistant at a de facto high major program in a mid major conference. He had a critical role on a team that won over 80 percent of its games, a role that had him designing the offense as well as recruiting and developing under the radar players. The leader he studied under was a FAR better coach apples to apples than Tomey ever was. He had great connections and was respected around the NBA as a player's coach. While it was a bit of a gamble to give him the keys to the Rolls having never led before, he quickly proved that he was up to the task, earning a 1 seed while overseeing the greatest development story in UofA history (Ballo).

If Brennan coached at Boise State, basically a lesser football version of what the Zags do, then the feelings around the fan base would be different. The product on the field would be different. But at San Jose State, he didn't show the ability to scheme, recruit or build at the level that would warrant a transition to a tougher conference. His intelligence and understanding of the game (as well as players), is average at best. There's nothing about him that inspires confidence that he can get the Wildcats to the next level. Watching Noah's body language the past game was just crushing, because I know that he's a winner through and through. The staff that we have is not equipped to handle high level players.

NEVER hire guys that are used to losing. Brennan, Gonzalez and Babers are accustomed to getting paid millions of dollars for putting a poor product on the field. Babers had one good season over the last five. Gonzales had losing seasons every year at New Mexico. Brennan was teetering and struggling before he came here. The first thing that Fisch did was gut the culture that UofA had by bringing in winners, on the recruiting trail and from his contacts within his explosive Rolodex (that's an archaic filing system for those under the age of 40). Having competent guys who have won, recruited and developed at a high level helped us turn around our football program much faster than expected. Of course we're going to have good games from time to time, because Brennan is joyriding with Fisch's recruits and leftover culture. But make no mistake, the coaching staff would never be able to recruit the type of players that Fisch brought in on their own. They just couldn't. The reason why we went on a winning streak last year was because we had NFL guys at every major position (TMac, Cowing, McLachlan, Morgan, Coleman, Ephesians and Tacario, Loop). We had all conference level players at other positions (Manu, Fifita, Gunner, Stukes). The guys we hired don't have any experience getting this caliber of player whatsoever.

It's clear that if you want to build a team in today's football climate, you have to go young. Whether that's nabbing an up and coming position coach in the NFL or a highly successful up and comer at the Power 4 or FCS level (think DeBoer at Washington). You want sharp, young, hungry guys who want to make a name for themselves. who have outstanding people skills. Without people skills, you can't become an ace recruiter, you can't assemble effective coaching staffs, you can't represent the school in a way that makes the fanbase proud. There's a reason that Leipold turned down Washington, sometimes a jump can ruin your career if you're not ready. I just don't think Brennan is smart enough to realize that, which is a problem all on it's own. We've seen what we can be, we just now have to hope that in the future that our leadership
learns from its mistakes.

I think this is a little harsh. Defense looks pretty good. And some of work they did on the portal seems ok. I also think BB has great people skills.

It's just clear that we need a new OC and a QB coach. Three touchdowns in three games with the former National Offensive Player of the year at QB, the best WR in the nation, and a serviceable line with a future high draftee on it- no to mention a good tight end and running back? Fucking pathetic.

Unfortunately the soonest that we can get a replacement OC and a QB is after this season once it's relegated to another year of lost potential.

Shades of Sumlin wasting Tate. Fuck.

Hey Carcass, you're correct the defense look more than solid. Conley and Jacory are legit. Some of the recruits they have coming in look decent. The problem is, our current success on the field is based on coaches that are not technically retreads (Akina and Carter). If Tyler Loop has to save your team to keep the score close, your offense has suffered a breakdown. When have you ever seen TMac fumble? I just don't have the confidence that Brennan would hire the right guy or bring in a QB that moves the needle. Although I did like the qb he had for a while at SJSU, he would have been really good in a different system. Lastly, you have to be able to be disciplinarian in chief in order to fix things. Do you honestly see this in Brennan?

I agree with about everything you wrote here. I still however, think Brennan can make it here. It seems likely though, that he made a mistake with his offensive staff hires.

Regarding discipline, I'm hopeful that he showed he has what it takes to clean up the house since our guys are committing far less penalties than they were a few weeks ago.

[Carcassdragger]

Another thing that is very clear, Brennan certainly isn't getting the best out of Noah. Wonder why.

It'd be nice if there was some actual digging and reporting by the Tucson media.

[Fishclamps]

I honestly think the scheme is just bad. Horrendously bad, and doesn't play to anyone's strengths.

[dovecanyoncat]

Do you ever stop being a dick?

No

Is that even humanly possible?

Not a chance in hell.

If he triggers you so much block him and block me.

He self-identifies as a victim. In his alleged mind, the bigger the victim he is the more legitimate his voice. He got it from his spiritual and political origins both of which will go unmentioned here because something something something.

[Merkin]

Dad chimes in. I can see where Noah gets it from.

[PHXCATS]

Been five games with a new staff

Every needs to chill. Things will be fine

BYU only favored by 3. Vegas knows more than anyone here

[PHXCATS]

[CalStateTempe]

I’m ready to move on from Brennen

[Merkin]

BB's contract stipulates he will get 100% of his pay if fired without cause the first two years, then lowers the last 3 year of his contract.

Brennan's own buyout is $10M this season and $7.5M next season if someone wants to poach him.

He is not going anywhere with the huge deficits the UA AD has.

[PHXCATS]

I’m ready to move on from Brennen

Cut the check then

For fuck sake it is 5 games in

[AZarchery]

Been five games with a new staff

Every needs to chill. Things will be fine

BYU only favored by 3. Vegas knows more than anyone here

We’re 1-4 against the spread this year with that one cover coming against a fluke of a Utah game. If Vegas truly knows more than anyone here, vegas is telling us this coaching staff underperforming big time.

BYU -3.5 is a farm bet.

[dmjcat]

Jeesh!!! Arizona fans are so fickle!!! Five-fucking-games.

Any reasonable, experienced program, and fans of such, should accord a new coach at least three years, barring mal- or misfeasance!

Last year's team greatly exceeded expectations!

The coaching staff that put that team together is gone.

About ten of the key players are gone.

Some of the returning players are performing below their level from last year.

Some of the new transfers are NOT performing to the level of those they've replaced (yet!!).

Continuing the improvement over last year's (totally unexpected) performance was wishful thinking - within the realm of possibility, buy, realistically, "wishful".

Brennan deserves time to put his system together.

And, ragging on this QB is totally unforgivable!! Fuck that!!

BTFD!!!!

The UA had 5 NFL level players on offense last year. We have 2 this year

We had 3 NFL level receivers last year (TMac, TannerMc, Cowing), we have one this year. That makes it much easier for opposing defenses to cover TMac without TannerMac/Cowing on the field.

We have lost multiple offensive lineman (JMorgan, Pulido, Magnuson) which has resulted in Fifita getting sacked and hurried.

We also lost Mike Wiley and Jonah Coleman. Anyoen expecting the same results on the field is just an idiiot.

And don't even get me started on the defensive losses.......we lost our entire defensive front.

[Carcassdragger]

Jeesh!!! Arizona fans are so fickle!!! Five-fucking-games.

Any reasonable, experienced program, and fans of such, should accord a new coach at least three years, barring mal- or misfeasance!

Last year's team greatly exceeded expectations!

The coaching staff that put that team together is gone.

About ten of the key players are gone.

Some of the returning players are performing below their level from last year.

Some of the new transfers are NOT performing to the level of those they've replaced (yet!!).

Continuing the improvement over last year's (totally unexpected) performance was wishful thinking - within the realm of possibility, buy, realistically, "wishful".

Brennan deserves time to put his system together.

And, ragging on this QB is totally unforgivable!! Fuck that!!

BTFD!!!!

The UA had 5 NFL level players on offense last year. We have 2 this year

We had 3 NFL level receivers last year (TMac, TannerMc, Cowing), we have one this year. That makes it much easier for opposing defenses to cover TMac without TannerMac/Cowing on the field.

We have lost multiple offensive lineman (JMorgan, Pulido, Magnuson) which has resulted in Fifita getting sacked and hurried.

We also lost Mike Wiley and Jonah Coleman. Anyoen expecting the same results on the field is just an idiiot.

And don't even get me started on the defensive losses.......we lost our entire defensive front.

....and therefore, three touchdowns in three games is all good. Yeah right.

[Merkin]

Been five games with a new staff

Every needs to chill. Things will be fine

BYU only favored by 3. Vegas knows more than anyone here

We’re 1-4 against the spread this year with that one cover coming against a fluke of a Utah game. If Vegas truly knows more than anyone here, vegas is telling us this coaching staff underperforming big time.

BYU -3.5 is a farm bet.

Just wanted to add that Vegas is not predicting what the score difference will be, Vegas is predicting what the spread needs to be where betting is 50/50 each side so they profit no matter what the score is. Often they are the same. Which makes me think BYU may be different, since a huge part of the BYU fanbase is not allowed to bet.

After all, Mormons can't drink either.

[PHXCATS]

Been five games with a new staff

Every needs to chill. Things will be fine

BYU only favored by 3. Vegas knows more than anyone here

We’re 1-4 against the spread this year with that one cover coming against a fluke of a Utah game. If Vegas truly knows more than anyone here, vegas is telling us this coaching staff underperforming big time.

BYU -3.5 is a farm bet.

Just wanted to add that Vegas is not predicting what the score difference will be, Vegas is predicting what the spread needs to be where betting is 50/50 each side so they profit no matter what the score is. Often they are the same. Which makes me think BYU may be different, since a huge part of the BYU fanbase is not allowed to bet.

After all, Mormons can't drink either.

Has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[ChooChooCat]

Jeesh!!! Arizona fans are so fickle!!! Five-fucking-games.

Any reasonable, experienced program, and fans of such, should accord a new coach at least three years, barring mal- or misfeasance!

Last year's team greatly exceeded expectations!

The coaching staff that put that team together is gone.

About ten of the key players are gone.

Some of the returning players are performing below their level from last year.

Some of the new transfers are NOT performing to the level of those they've replaced (yet!!).

Continuing the improvement over last year's (totally unexpected) performance was wishful thinking - within the realm of possibility, buy, realistically, "wishful".

Brennan deserves time to put his system together.

And, ragging on this QB is totally unforgivable!! Fuck that!!

BTFD!!!!

The UA had 5 NFL level players on offense last year. We have 2 this year

We had 3 NFL level receivers last year (TMac, TannerMc, Cowing), we have one this year. That makes it much easier for opposing defenses to cover TMac without TannerMac/Cowing on the field.

We have lost multiple offensive lineman (JMorgan, Pulido, Magnuson) which has resulted in Fifita getting sacked and hurried.

We also lost Mike Wiley and Jonah Coleman. Anyoen expecting the same results on the field is just an idiiot.

And don't even get me started on the defensive losses.......we lost our entire defensive front.

I mean I didn't expect duplicate results from last year, but I figured by 5 games into the season Arizona Football would have an offensive identity of any kind. I guess that's too much to hope for because we only have 2 NFL level players on offense instead of 5.

I think the issue that is smacking most Arizona fans in the face is we have seen this type of coaching ineptitude this early on before and it took place only two coaches ago.

[Chicat]

Five games into the season and I’m already feeling like I was in Stoops year 3.

[CalStateTempe]

There’s no creativity or sizzle with BB’s game plans

Mid major coach gonna mid major this thing .

[Fishclamps]

This board is insufferable after a loss. We have people in here comparing Brennan to an absolutely incompetent alcoholic who didn't give one single shit about the sport or our team.

Take a look around college football outside of your own little bubble. Outside of an ever shrinking pool of teams who actually look legit, the entire sport is a rollercoaster this season. You had 4 of the top 11 teams lose, with a 5th barely hanging on to beat Cal.

Everyone's coach is a fucking fraud this year!

[ChooChooCat]

This board is insufferable after a loss. We have people in here comparing Brennan to an absolutely incompetent alcoholic who didn't give one single shit about the sport or our team.

I will certainly give it to Brennan that he cares and I believe he'll do whatever he can to fix the glaring issues we have, but that doesn't mean he is capable of doing so. He may have to get real lucky and land a great offensive mind to scheme a functional offense this offseason, but I sure as hell do believe he'll try to do that as opposed to the alcoholic. Fwiw though I don't believe for a second Sumlin was incompetent, he was just a drunk who didn't give a shit. That's a completely different problem. Brennan himself may not be incompetent, but he's not a football savant either, so he's not going to come up with the solution to our issues, but he may CEO his way through it via the right hire(s).

Take a look around college football outside of your own little bubble. Outside of an ever shrinking pool of teams who actually look legit, the entire sport is a rollercoaster this season. You had 4 of the top 11 teams lose, with a 5th barely hanging on to beat Cal.

Everyone's coach is a fucking fraud this year!

I don't really care about the rest of college football. All I know is Arizona's offense is putrid and it's already cost us two games. Going into this season who thought our defense would be fantastic and our offense inept? The scheme is truly awful. There's no flow to this offense. There's no identity to this offense. There's nothing functional here. It's a dumpster fire.

[Chicat]

Choo said it far better than I could. Biggest difference to me is that last year Noah was able to get the ball out quick and keep defenses on their heels. This year the routes all seem to take 6+ seconds and Noah is either running for his life or throwing to guys who are covered. We aren’t catching anyone by surprise with anything we are doing. That’s a big damn problem.

[CatsbyAZ]

I write this post with a heavy heart. I really wanted the Brennan Experiment to work, I really did. I held back on my initial impressions on the coaching staff until I watched them play the first two games, after which it became readily apparent that we are simply not built to compete at a high level.

...

I caution against sweeping conclusions after a loss, especially a loss followed by a truly great road performance Vs a 10th ranked Utah. But the high/low quality of the past two weeks is how I figured our season would go - strong enough to win any game on the schedule but inconsistent enough to lose most any game on the schedule.

We should've beat Texas Tech. But nothing went right for Arizona to start the game - for example getting stuffed on 4th&1 deep on TT's side of the field. And before we knew it Arizona was in an 18-3 hole. Then we fought back for a brief lead before, again, nothing went right - the fumble that resulted in a quick TT touchdown to put Arizona behind 28-19. Texas Tech is not as good as their 4-1 record shows, with more often than not ugly performances (Vs Abilene Christian, Washington State, and Cincinnati).

The rest of the way is impossible to predict, and for as lukewarm as the Big 12 is, with no immovable objects, we've drawn the hardest matches according to rankings/records - with Kansas St (non-C), Utah, and Texas Tech all 4-1. Arizona's next two are BYU at 5-0 and Colorado at 4-1. We've missed out on the lighter fare of Cincinnati, Houston, TCU, Baylor, and Kansas. Lot's of deadweight in the Big 12.

[AzCatFan2]

The O-line has been a disappointment so far. We got manhandled by both the K-State and TTech defenses, especially the first half against Tech. But somehow, we played great against Utah? The inconsistency makes no sense.

The playcalling has also been suspect. Up 1 late in the 4th quarter against Tech, it's 2nd and 8 at the 30, and Tech is tired. But what do we do? Throw two incompletions, and then miss a FG? If we were willing to kick another FG, why not run the ball twice? Again, Tech's D was gassed at this point.

[pc in NM]

Jeesh!!! Arizona fans are so fickle!!! Five-fucking-games.

Any reasonable, experienced program, and fans of such, should accord a new coach at least three years, barring mal- or misfeasance!

Last year's team greatly exceeded expectations!

The coaching staff that put that team together is gone.

About ten of the key players are gone.

Some of the returning players are performing below their level from last year.

Some of the new transfers are NOT performing to the level of those they've replaced (yet!!).

Continuing the improvement over last year's (totally unexpected) performance was wishful thinking - within the realm of possibility, buy, realistically, "wishful".

Brennan deserves time to put his system together.

And, ragging on this QB is totally unforgivable!! Fuck that!!

BTFD!!!!

The UA had 5 NFL level players on offense last year. We have 2 this year

We had 3 NFL level receivers last year (TMac, TannerMc, Cowing), we have one this year. That makes it much easier for opposing defenses to cover TMac without TannerMac/Cowing on the field.

We have lost multiple offensive lineman (JMorgan, Pulido, Magnuson) which has resulted in Fifita getting sacked and hurried.

We also lost Mike Wiley and Jonah Coleman. Anyoen expecting the same results on the field is just an idiiot.

And don't even get me started on the defensive losses.......we lost our entire defensive front.

....and therefore, three touchdowns in three games is all good. Yeah right.

No!!! It's disappointing!

But, it's NOT time to dis the coaching staff or players. It's time to support the TEAM during the transition...

[Merkin]

Choo said it far better than I could. Biggest difference to me is that last year Noah was able to get the ball out quick and keep defenses on their heels. This year the routes all seem to take 6+ seconds and Noah is either running for his life or throwing to guys who are covered. We aren’t catching anyone by surprise with anything we are doing. That’s a big damn problem.

I read an analysis of the offense yesterday, and wish I would have shared it but didn't really understand it.

The gist was last season was 1,2,3 ball out with a lot of play action and short over the middle throws. Now it's 4,5,6 ball out. The running plays are extremely slow developing. Times you see a handoff to a running back that is not moving.

The grandfather of UA social media sites has a lot to say on that.

https://x.com/WSRBrad


Although I am not really sure why Fifita can't see open receivers now and if he does he misses them. I know he's shorter than the average QB, but he saw them fine last season. T-Mac also seems banged up. A step slow and trying to one hand catches.

[pc in NM]

Just to put things into context, everyone's least favorite local sports columnist shared some interesting FACTS that reflect the true status of the University of Arizona Football Program.

The link (just in case): https://tucson.com/sports/subscriber/gr ... -top-story

The UA announced last week its Oct. 19 homecoming football game against Colorado is a sellout. As far as I could research, not even an ASU-Arizona Territorial Cup game has been sold out more than a few days before kickoff.

Across the last 45 years, with the exception of UA-ASU games, the only Arizona home football games to be sold out before game day were Arizona-Notre Dame in 1980, Arizona-Ohio State in 2000 and Arizona-BYU in 2006.

Two Iowa-Arizona games, in 1987 and 2010, were sellouts, but none sold out before game day. An estimated 5,000 Iowa fans were at each game.

In 1980, about 3,000 Notre Dame fans held a pep rally near campus a night before the game. An estimated 10,000 Irish fans attended the game, won 20-3 by No. 4-ranked Notre Dame. There was no live TV of the game.

In 2000, the No. 18 Buckeyes, coming off a dreary 6-6 season, purchased roughly 7,500 tickets for a 27-17 victory over the Wildcats.

And in 2006, BYU fans bought close to 10,000 tickets for a sellout of 58,450; the UA shut down ticket sales a day before kickoff. Arizona won 16-13 on a last-second field goal by Nick Folk.

Now comes Colorado and Deion Sanders, who have sold out all three road games this season, at Nebraska (86,906), Colorado State (40,099) and UCF (45,702).

A year ago, the Buffaloes sold out road games at TCU (53,094), Oregon (59,889), Utah (51,595) and ASU (54,086) and drew the largest UCLA crowd at the Rose Bowl (71,343) in a season the Bruins averaged just 43,272 for its other home games.

THREE SELLOUTS before game day in 45 YEARS!!! Facts are stubborn things.

The U of A is just not a big time football school; Tucson is not, and never has been much of a college sports town.

[Merkin]

The U of A is just not a big time football school; Tucson is not, and never has been much of a college sports town.

Outside of basketball and perhaps softball, but true.

I think a good example of Tucson and football is Khalil Tate's magical 2017 season. Tate for the month of October was without a doubt the most exciting player in college football. In the 3 wins, he ran for 327, 230, and 147 yards. UA had ranked WSU with hugely popular Mike Leach as coach come into town for a night game, with good weather.

Attendance: 42,822

[ChooChooCat]

The U of A is just not a big time football school; Tucson is not, and never has been much of a college sports town.

Outside of basketball and perhaps softball, but true.

I think a good example of Tucson and football is Khalil Tate's magical 2017 season. Tate for the month of October was without a doubt the most exciting player in college football. In the 3 wins, he ran for 327, 230, and 147 yards. UA had ranked WSU with hugely popular Mike Leach as coach come into town for a night game, with good weather.

Attendance: 42,822

Arizona Stadium needs an overall large renovation job that eliminates roughly 7500 seats.

We were by far the best college town of the entire Pac-12 though. Always led the conference in overall attendance for all sports combined. There's just no football culture here and following up games like Utah with absolute dog shit stinkers like Texas Tech is exhibit A-Z for why. This town knows better. We all do. There's no long term culture of success here. One great year is never followed up by even a good one. Literally the last 6 wins Arizona has beaten a top 10 team were immediately followed by losses. You can't make that up.

[RawleArenas]

I write this post with a heavy heart. I really wanted the Brennan Experiment to work, I really did. I held back on my initial impressions on the coaching staff until I watched them play the first two games, after which it became readily apparent that we are simply not built to compete at a high level.

...

I caution against sweeping conclusions after a loss, especially a loss followed by a truly great road performance Vs a 10th ranked Utah. But the high/low quality of the past two weeks is how I figured our season would go - strong enough to win any game on the schedule but inconsistent enough to lose most any game on the schedule.

We should've beat Texas Tech. But nothing went right for Arizona to start the game - for example getting stuffed on 4th&1 deep on TT's side of the field. And before we knew it Arizona was in an 18-3 hole. Then we fought back for a brief lead before, again, nothing went right - the fumble that resulted in a quick TT touchdown to put Arizona behind 28-19. Texas Tech is not as good as their 4-1 record shows, with more often than not ugly performances (Vs Abilene Christian, Washington State, and Cincinnati).

The rest of the way is impossible to predict, and for as lukewarm as the Big 12 is, with no immovable objects, we've drawn the hardest matches according to rankings/records - with Kansas St (non-C), Utah, and Texas Tech all 4-1. Arizona's next two are BYU at 5-0 and Colorado at 4-1. We've missed out on the lighter fare of Cincinnati, Houston, TCU, Baylor, and Kansas. Lot's of deadweight in the Big 12.

Catsby, you know what sparked that whole diatribe about Brennan? It's an unspoken rule among sportsmen that you never show up your opponent. You respect the game and your opponent by your conduct on the field. In the first half I watched Texas Tech go for a two point conversion when there was no reason to do so. It was a display of dominance and lack of respect for our team. I haven't heard one person on this board or any other speak on this, but that put me over the edge.

You remember the Kadeem timeout and how the fanbase got behind Miller? What about when Wazzu tried to do the same thing last year in Pullman and Fisch stuffed the two point conversion and we proceeded to score 44 unanswered points? We sent a message, crushed the Cougs spirits and destroyed their season (at least in my mind). Now when you have Batman, Wolverine and the Green Lantern on your team (our first rounders), you have no excuse to get embarrassed like that. That told me everything I needed to know about what kind of leader we had. There's no way on earth a coach should allow that to happen. After watching that kind of display, I would leave at halftime too like some of the other fans.

You know how many fans keep saying that we suffered major losses in terms of players and we should lower our expectations? Too many to count. You know who also suffered a lot of losses before taking the helm? Tommy Lloyd. We lost Akinjo (first team Pac) Terrell Brown (future Pac scoring leader) Jordan Brown (Pac 6th man) and Batcho (defensive swiss army knife). We still had talent, but no one expected us to make any waves or to field a super competitive team. All we got in return was Larsson, Ballo and Kier. What did Lloyd do? He quickly proved his worth and installed a new scheme, developed players and got us ranked before we hit conference play. He then proceeded to win the conference title, tournament title, secure a number 1 seed and make the sweet sixteen. No one had us being ranked before the season started. We were ranked and now we look unfocused and ragged. Tommy never complained about not having 'his guys' in order to win. He just simply did what good coaches do: perform.

[pc in NM]

The U of A is just not a big time football school; Tucson is not, and never has been much of a college sports town.

Outside of basketball and perhaps softball, but true.

I think a good example of Tucson and football is Khalil Tate's magical 2017 season. Tate for the month of October was without a doubt the most exciting player in college football. In the 3 wins, he ran for 327, 230, and 147 yards. UA had ranked WSU with hugely popular Mike Leach as coach come into town for a night game, with good weather.

Attendance: 42,822

I found a 2023 stat that sez less than 30% of Tucson residents 25+ have college degrees. So much of the population increases/immigration to Tucson have been lower education status.

I believe that most don't bring collegiate perspectives and those that do remain loyal to their original communities...

[Merkin]

Arizona Stadium needs an overall large renovation job that eliminates roughly 7500 seats.

Yep, both Stanford and Cal had huge reductions in seats during their remodels.