Arizona Head Coach Brent Brennan

[gronk4heisman]

Brennan has a low tier mid major mindset and who honestly is probably about as equipped for this job as the guy who replaced him as the WR coach at OSU in Kevin Cummings. He is a nice guy with some ties to Tomey and to the school, who wants to be here which is all cool and great but that only gets you so much goodwill when you clearly have no idea what you are doing on and off the field and are out of your league. Honestly, the fact that he has not fired Babers already (who does nothing at this point other than collect a pay check as an analyst) to at least show the team and the fans he does not accept the shit show of an offense he put together this offseason shows he is not cut out for this job and can not be handle the cutthroat mentality needed in big boy college football.

[dmjcat]

Just sticking to facts here. CBB:

1. Has never won more than 7 games in a season
2. Has never won a bowl game
3. The only ranked team he ever beat at SJSU was #25 Fresno State. Was Utah ranked when UA beat them?
4. Is the lowest paid football coach in the B12

Not CBB, but UA related:
1. UA AD has a $33.6 million deficit for FY24
2. UA itself will run a $52 million deficit for FY25
3. The UA AD borrowed $55M from the university from the pandemic, and last I read was behind on the payments.

Just speculation now, but DRF being a bean counter is looking at the financial statements, not the W/L record.

Heeke/Robbins went shopping at KMart during a blue light special, and this is the result.

Compare CBB's record with the Indiana coach, who never had a losing record in 12 years of small college ball.

Getting rid of Brennan in year 1 is ludicrous, especially when the primary issue is lack of talent. 63% of last years starters are gone.

The primay issue at Arizona has always been RECRUITING. UA Fball coaches have always had to deal with:

1) Tucson is not a hotbed of HS football talent
2) Poor fanbase/support
3) Poor financial support
4) Little or no tradition or history of success

All 4 of these issues have fed into the recruiting issue. Brennan has all 4 of these issues to deal with and he now has to deal with NIL, which isn't helped by #3 on the above list. If there really are UA boosters who are willing to pony up $16M (or whatever the number is) they would be better off giving the money to the UA NIL fund.......we could buy a fairly decent team (for 1 year) with that money.

Brennan has the most talented team he will ever have, right now. If he can’t win with them then he will never win.

The dumbest thing we could ever do is give him 16 mil in NIL to piss away.

I am shocked some of you think a coach who barely won at SJSU will miraculously become successful in the Big 12

"The most talented team he will ever have"??????????????

The team that lost its entire starting defensive front to the portal and 3 offensive players to the NFL???

The team playing with 1/3rd of last years starters???

LOL x 1 million Get a grip.

Ok, so the team lost its entire starting defensive front. Was defense the problem at any point until recently due to all of the injuries? Against NAU, K State, Utah, Texas Tech, BYU, and Colorado, Arizona put up 16ppg. Is that the defensive lines fault?

Team returned its starting QB fresh off a Freshman Pac-12 POY campaign, returned a 1st round WR, acquired a solid platoon of RBs, and returned 4/5 of its starting OL, and the best it could muster from game 3-8 of the season was 16 points per game.

You get a grip man. Good christ.

Maybe Brent should focus less on vibes and more on hiring an actual QB coach or an OC who has called plays within the last decade next time. There's no excuse for how bad this season's gone outside of pure ineptitude no matter how badly you want there to be. West Virginia was just as injury depleted as we are, and was coached by a guy with a hotter seat than Brent's got now, but we still lost to them at home with our starting QB playing and theirs being out. This is as bad as it gets and it's only going to get worse.

You seem to overlook that we also lost half of last years starters on offense, and the primary offensive line backup. Those 6 players included 3 NFL level players, including 2 receivers. This is NOT last years team.

[dmjcat]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

[ChooChooCat]

Getting rid of Brennan in year 1 is ludicrous, especially when the primary issue is lack of talent. 63% of last years starters are gone.

The primay issue at Arizona has always been RECRUITING. UA Fball coaches have always had to deal with:

1) Tucson is not a hotbed of HS football talent
2) Poor fanbase/support
3) Poor financial support
4) Little or no tradition or history of success

All 4 of these issues have fed into the recruiting issue. Brennan has all 4 of these issues to deal with and he now has to deal with NIL, which isn't helped by #3 on the above list. If there really are UA boosters who are willing to pony up $16M (or whatever the number is) they would be better off giving the money to the UA NIL fund.......we could buy a fairly decent team (for 1 year) with that money.

Brennan has the most talented team he will ever have, right now. If he can’t win with them then he will never win.

The dumbest thing we could ever do is give him 16 mil in NIL to piss away.

I am shocked some of you think a coach who barely won at SJSU will miraculously become successful in the Big 12

"The most talented team he will ever have"??????????????

The team that lost its entire starting defensive front to the portal and 3 offensive players to the NFL???

The team playing with 1/3rd of last years starters???

LOL x 1 million Get a grip.

Ok, so the team lost its entire starting defensive front. Was defense the problem at any point until recently due to all of the injuries? Against NAU, K State, Utah, Texas Tech, BYU, and Colorado, Arizona put up 16ppg. Is that the defensive lines fault?

Team returned its starting QB fresh off a Freshman Pac-12 POY campaign, returned a 1st round WR, acquired a solid platoon of RBs, and returned 4/5 of its starting OL, and the best it could muster from game 3-8 of the season was 16 points per game.

You get a grip man. Good christ.

Maybe Brent should focus less on vibes and more on hiring an actual QB coach or an OC who has called plays within the last decade next time. There's no excuse for how bad this season's gone outside of pure ineptitude no matter how badly you want there to be. West Virginia was just as injury depleted as we are, and was coached by a guy with a hotter seat than Brent's got now, but we still lost to them at home with our starting QB playing and theirs being out. This is as bad as it gets and it's only going to get worse.

You seem to overlook that we also lost half of last years starters on offense, and the primary offensive line backup. Those 6 players included 3 NFL level players, including 2 receivers. This is NOT last years team.

Outside of one game (Colorado), would you say the offensive line is the reason for poor offensive play? The offensive line still returned a 4 year starter at center, a NFL OT, and Wendell Moe. There were holes sure, but once again the line ain't the problem. If the line has a problem it revolves around the different strategy I.E. scheme.

You're right this is not last year's team, because last year's team had an effective offensive scheme and identity. This year doesn't, unless you call handoffs that take 10 seconds to execute an identity. Quit making excuses for piss poor coaching. It's really ridiculous.

[ChooChooCat]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

When you're 3-5 after starting the year being ranked and then you bring in your commitments for big recruiting weekends and put up 7 points it will affect your recruiting. He's losing commitments. He won't land better players than he's already got committed.

STOP STICKING UP FOR GARBAGE.

[Chicat]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

I’m a little dense so you’ll have to show me where I said he can’t recruit. I used the word “if” a lot, which I thought clearly communicated that I have questions but obviously it didn’t.

[dmjcat]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

When you're 3-5 after starting the year being ranked and then you bring in your commitments for big recruiting weekends and put up 7 points it will affect your recruiting. He's losing commitments. He won't land better players than he's already got committed.

STOP STICKING UP FOR GARBAGE.

I am sticking up for SANITY.

Fire Brennan and whomever you hire is going to have the SAME problem next year (little talent). And of course with very little NIL the new coach won't be able to recruit either so the "Jump of the Cliff" crowd will be right back here calling for the new coach to be fired.

Get a grip. You don't rebuild overnight, especially if you are NIL-Limited UA.

[dmjcat]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

I’m a little dense so you’ll have to show me where I said he can’t recruit. I used the word “if” a lot, which I thought clearly communicated that I have questions but obviously it didn’t.

Yes, you obviously are dense.

You stated "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting" which directly infers that he can't recruit.

[gronk4heisman]

The lack of confidence he appears to have in himself and direction when addressing the media and his horrible hiring decisions does not give me much hope that he will be a great recruiter, but yeah you could be right. He could just be tricking us all into thinking he is a bad coach with no direction and a pretty bad track record who is clearly out of his league.

I can't imagine any kid signing on to play for this offense or this program at this point unless we are paying at least 125% more than market value which would be a stupid investment that our program is not capable of and would be wasted money based on what this staff has done with this roster.

[ChooChooCat]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

When you're 3-5 after starting the year being ranked and then you bring in your commitments for big recruiting weekends and put up 7 points it will affect your recruiting. He's losing commitments. He won't land better players than he's already got committed.

STOP STICKING UP FOR GARBAGE.

I am sticking up for SANITY.

Fire Brennan and whomever you hire is going to have the SAME problem next year (little talent). And of course with very little NIL the new coach won't be able to recruit either so the "Jump of the Cliff" crowd will be right back here calling for the new coach to be fired.

Get a grip. You don't rebuild overnight, especially if you are NIL-Limited UA.

We're not going to win next year and it doesn't matter either, but keeping Brennan just delays the rebuilding process. He's already lost the fanbase and he's going to lose the recruits (I know he already has). These recruits know TMac and Noah and know what they accomplished last year. These recruits will know how bad Arizona was regardless of these talented guys that they know being on the roster. You keep Brennan and you just dig yourself a hole the size of a crater by the time you do fire him. If that's what we gotta do because the boosters don't pony up the cash then it is what it is, but keeping him because of your definition of sanity is anything, but sane. You're guaranteeing Arizona will be shit 5 years from now as opposed to hiring a new guy who could maybe turn the tide and will have Arizona competing in 2-3 years. Maybe that guy won't be able to turn the tide, but resetting the clock is the only chance we've got. A new guy can sell hope. A guy that inherited, regardless of what you think, a very solid Arizona football roster and tanked with it can not sell hope.

Brennan is a loser. The fanbase knows it, the recruits know it, and now the boosters do too.

[Chicat]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

I’m a little dense so you’ll have to show me where I said he can’t recruit. I used the word “if” a lot, which I thought clearly communicated that I have questions but obviously it didn’t.

Yes, you obviously are dense.

You stated "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting" which directly infers that he can't recruit.

I didn’t make the statement this is the most talented team he will ever have, but I do wonder if it’s true. Can he recruit? Will the results on the field affect his ability to bring in talent?

I get it that you think it’s ridiculous to talk about replacing him a few games into his first season but maybe your boy will prove everyone wrong and go on a winning streak to end the season and then bring in a top-30 class. If you’ve seen evidence that can happen, I must have missed it, but I’m happy you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[RawleArenas]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

When you're 3-5 after starting the year being ranked and then you bring in your commitments for big recruiting weekends and put up 7 points it will affect your recruiting. He's losing commitments. He won't land better players than he's already got committed.

STOP STICKING UP FOR GARBAGE.

I am sticking up for SANITY.

Fire Brennan and whomever you hire is going to have the SAME problem next year (little talent). And of course with very little NIL the new coach won't be able to recruit either so the "Jump of the Cliff" crowd will be right back here calling for the new coach to be fired.

Get a grip. You don't rebuild overnight, especially if you are NIL-Limited UA.

What's sane about hiring a guy with a losing record, no bowl wins who hires two former head coaches with losing records? I mean, you have to admit we got Ted Lasso'd by Heeke. A nice little parting shot on his way out.

[azcat49]

Choo, it sounds like you think things are to gone to salvage the Brennan era. I wonder if retaining him but gutting the offensive staff and starting over next year is a better move.

Coming up with 16m to buy him out is kind of crazy given our history and current financial situation and next year is likely a lost season for a new coach (or Brennan).

Edit: you already answered this above but where do you place the odds we come up with the money

[ChooChooCat]

Choo, it sounds like you think things are to gone to salvage the Brennan era. I wonder if retaining him but gutting the offensive staff and starting over next year is a better move.

Coming up with 16m to buy him out is kind of crazy given our history and current financial situation and next year is likely a lost season for a new coach (or Brennan).

Edit: you already answered this above but where do you place the odds we come up with the money

I don't think retaining him and gutting the offensive staff will change much as the talent will be bare, but to me if Arizona goes winless and gets absolutely trucked by ASU then I could see the boosters being motivated to make the move. They would be HEAVILY involved in any hire made at any capacity though if they ponied up the cash to get rid of Brennan.

[dmjcat]

Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting.

If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction. But if he isn’t, the product on the field isn’t going to exactly inspire a bunch of 3- & 4-stars to sign with the Cats and our shitty current play could very well doom Brennan to fielding future teams with a whole lot less talent. Anyone seen any evidence he can coach up a bunch of OKGs and turn them into NFL-level talent?

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

I’m a little dense so you’ll have to show me where I said he can’t recruit. I used the word “if” a lot, which I thought clearly communicated that I have questions but obviously it didn’t.

Yes, you obviously are dense.

You stated "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting" which directly infers that he can't recruit.

I didn’t make the statement this is the most talented team he will ever have, but I do wonder if it’s true. Can he recruit? Will the results on the field affect his ability to bring in talent?

I get it that you think it’s ridiculous to talk about replacing him a few games into his first season but maybe your boy will prove everyone wrong and go on a winning streak to end the season and then bring in a top-30 class. If you’ve seen evidence that can happen, I must have missed it, but I’m happy you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

For one thing he's not "My Boy"

I just can't support firing a new coach halfway through his first season. If we did, its highly likely the next coach is also going to have a losing season next year.........and the same message board-savants will be back here screaming for firing him too.

The UA can't afford to engage in an endless fire-the-coach doom loop.

[azgreg]

For one thing he's not "My Boy"

I just can't support firing a new coach halfway through his first season. If we did, its highly likely the next coach is also going to have a losing season next year.........and the same message board-savants will be back here screaming for firing him too.

The UA can't afford to engage in an endless fire-the-coach doom loop.

We have to remember here that the school doesn't pay these packages, boosters do. If we can't get the boosters to foot the bill he'll remain the head coach.

[ChooChooCat]

My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???

I’m a little dense so you’ll have to show me where I said he can’t recruit. I used the word “if” a lot, which I thought clearly communicated that I have questions but obviously it didn’t.

Yes, you obviously are dense.

You stated "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting" which directly infers that he can't recruit.

I didn’t make the statement this is the most talented team he will ever have, but I do wonder if it’s true. Can he recruit? Will the results on the field affect his ability to bring in talent?

I get it that you think it’s ridiculous to talk about replacing him a few games into his first season but maybe your boy will prove everyone wrong and go on a winning streak to end the season and then bring in a top-30 class. If you’ve seen evidence that can happen, I must have missed it, but I’m happy you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

For one thing he's not "My Boy"

I just can't support firing a new coach halfway through his first season. If we did, its highly likely the next coach is also going to have a losing season next year.........and the same message board-savants will be back here screaming for firing him too.

The UA can't afford to engage in an endless fire-the-coach doom loop.

No one is suggesting to fire him today. If he's fired it'd be after the season is over.

It's not up to the UA to afford it. It's up to the boosters if they want to pay it. Nobody is advocating U of A go 14 million more in debt to buy out Brennan, because you're right, it can't. It doesn't have to come from U of A to fire him though.

[Chicat]

For one thing he's not "My Boy"

I just can't support firing a new coach halfway through his first season. If we did, its highly likely the next coach is also going to have a losing season next year.........and the same message board-savants will be back here screaming for firing him too.

The UA can't afford to engage in an endless fire-the-coach doom loop.

We are going to have a losing season next year under Brennan too. I don’t have a doubt about that. I figured before this season we’d be around .500 and now that I’ve seen Brennan and his staff in action I’d be willing to bet we’ll end up under that.

And to be honest, that doesn’t bother me. I’ve always subscribed to the Lose Big —> Lose Close —> Win Close —> Win Big four year timeline for any coach in a rebuild. I would have said next year was Year 1 for Brennan with his recruits and I accepted we’d take a step back with very few members of Fisch’s best recruiting class remaining.

But if Brennan can’t win with all the guys who did come back this year by coaching up the ones who replaced who we lost, then what in the fuck are we doing here? This is some Brady Hoke at Michigan shit except that Hoke actually changed up his system to match the guys RichRod left behind and put together a real good season in his first year. Brennan isn’t doing that.

[PHXCATS]

Always looking for others to pay

[ChooChooCat]

Always looking for others to pay

Welcome to major sports.

[dmjcat]

Brennan has the most talented team he will ever have, right now. If he can’t win with them then he will never win.

The dumbest thing we could ever do is give him 16 mil in NIL to piss away.

I am shocked some of you think a coach who barely won at SJSU will miraculously become successful in the Big 12

"The most talented team he will ever have"??????????????

The team that lost its entire starting defensive front to the portal and 3 offensive players to the NFL???

The team playing with 1/3rd of last years starters???

LOL x 1 million Get a grip.

Ok, so the team lost its entire starting defensive front. Was defense the problem at any point until recently due to all of the injuries? Against NAU, K State, Utah, Texas Tech, BYU, and Colorado, Arizona put up 16ppg. Is that the defensive lines fault?

Team returned its starting QB fresh off a Freshman Pac-12 POY campaign, returned a 1st round WR, acquired a solid platoon of RBs, and returned 4/5 of its starting OL, and the best it could muster from game 3-8 of the season was 16 points per game.

You get a grip man. Good christ.

Maybe Brent should focus less on vibes and more on hiring an actual QB coach or an OC who has called plays within the last decade next time. There's no excuse for how bad this season's gone outside of pure ineptitude no matter how badly you want there to be. West Virginia was just as injury depleted as we are, and was coached by a guy with a hotter seat than Brent's got now, but we still lost to them at home with our starting QB playing and theirs being out. This is as bad as it gets and it's only going to get worse.

You seem to overlook that we also lost half of last years starters on offense, and the primary offensive line backup. Those 6 players included 3 NFL level players, including 2 receivers. This is NOT last years team.

Outside of one game (Colorado), would you say the offensive line is the reason for poor offensive play? The offensive line still returned a 4 year starter at center, a NFL OT, and Wendell Moe. There were holes sure, but once again the line ain't the problem. If the line has a problem it revolves around the different strategy I.E. scheme.

You're right this is not last year's team, because last year's team had an effective offensive scheme and identity. This year doesn't, unless you call handoffs that take 10 seconds to execute an identity. Quit making excuses for piss poor coaching. It's really ridiculous.

The OL has been a serious problem. Yes we returned 3 starters. Unfortunately, it takes 5 players to make up an offensive line. In case you haven't noticed Fifita has been running for his life the entire season (which he wasn't last season).

When he does have time to throw the only competent receiver that we have is TMac. We don't have a single other receiver on the team with separation speed. We miss TannerMac and Cowing greatly. The lack of a 2nd talented receiver has resulted in TMac getting double coverage almost constantly.

[dmjcat]

I’m a little dense so you’ll have to show me where I said he can’t recruit. I used the word “if” a lot, which I thought clearly communicated that I have questions but obviously it didn’t.

Yes, you obviously are dense.

You stated "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting" which directly infers that he can't recruit.

I didn’t make the statement this is the most talented team he will ever have, but I do wonder if it’s true. Can he recruit? Will the results on the field affect his ability to bring in talent?

I get it that you think it’s ridiculous to talk about replacing him a few games into his first season but maybe your boy will prove everyone wrong and go on a winning streak to end the season and then bring in a top-30 class. If you’ve seen evidence that can happen, I must have missed it, but I’m happy you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

For one thing he's not "My Boy"

I just can't support firing a new coach halfway through his first season. If we did, its highly likely the next coach is also going to have a losing season next year.........and the same message board-savants will be back here screaming for firing him too.

The UA can't afford to engage in an endless fire-the-coach doom loop.

No one is suggesting to fire him today. If he's fired it'd be after the season is over.

It's not up to the UA to afford it. It's up to the boosters if they want to pay it. Nobody is advocating U of A go 14 million more in debt to buy out Brennan, because you're right, it can't. It doesn't have to come from U of A to fire him though.

I'll say it again. If the boosters are willing to pony up $$$8 figures to fire Brennan their money would be better spent on NIL. At least we can buy some better players and have a better team next year.

[azcat49]

I remember an interview where someone asked Babers about coming back to Tucson and he said he came back to help Brennan and that it was all about Brennan getting that second contract. Weird how that one hire might not allow him to even get to his second year.

I hope he gets that second year and he guts his O staff. Hate to say it but Bobby Wade needs to go as well. Not sure on Ogelsby but he needs to use more zone schemes with the lineman we get to be more effecrltive. I think you keep Adkins and Carter and add a QB coach

[ChooChooCat]

"The most talented team he will ever have"??????????????

The team that lost its entire starting defensive front to the portal and 3 offensive players to the NFL???

The team playing with 1/3rd of last years starters???

LOL x 1 million Get a grip.

Ok, so the team lost its entire starting defensive front. Was defense the problem at any point until recently due to all of the injuries? Against NAU, K State, Utah, Texas Tech, BYU, and Colorado, Arizona put up 16ppg. Is that the defensive lines fault?

Team returned its starting QB fresh off a Freshman Pac-12 POY campaign, returned a 1st round WR, acquired a solid platoon of RBs, and returned 4/5 of its starting OL, and the best it could muster from game 3-8 of the season was 16 points per game.

You get a grip man. Good christ.

Maybe Brent should focus less on vibes and more on hiring an actual QB coach or an OC who has called plays within the last decade next time. There's no excuse for how bad this season's gone outside of pure ineptitude no matter how badly you want there to be. West Virginia was just as injury depleted as we are, and was coached by a guy with a hotter seat than Brent's got now, but we still lost to them at home with our starting QB playing and theirs being out. This is as bad as it gets and it's only going to get worse.

You seem to overlook that we also lost half of last years starters on offense, and the primary offensive line backup. Those 6 players included 3 NFL level players, including 2 receivers. This is NOT last years team.

Outside of one game (Colorado), would you say the offensive line is the reason for poor offensive play? The offensive line still returned a 4 year starter at center, a NFL OT, and Wendell Moe. There were holes sure, but once again the line ain't the problem. If the line has a problem it revolves around the different strategy I.E. scheme.

You're right this is not last year's team, because last year's team had an effective offensive scheme and identity. This year doesn't, unless you call handoffs that take 10 seconds to execute an identity. Quit making excuses for piss poor coaching. It's really ridiculous.

The OL has been a serious problem. Yes we returned 3 starters. Unfortunately, it takes 5 players to make up an offensive line. In case you haven't noticed Fifita has been running for his life the entire season (which he wasn't last season).

When he does have time to throw the only competent receiver that we have is TMac. We don't have a single other receiver on the team with separation speed. We miss TannerMac and Cowing greatly. The lack of a 2nd talented receiver has resulted in TMac getting double coverage almost constantly.

1. I love how you don't even think to possibly blame the new OL coach and his new strategy whatsoever for the issues with the O-Line.
2. The routes our WRs are running don't make sense and makes any issues the OL have multiply by 12, because Noah needs more time to throw than he did previously.
3. There are other guys that can separate, but the routes are so stupid or so deep for no reason that by the time the guys are at the end of their route Noah is already scrambling.

The coaching matters. Stop acting as if it doesn't. It's embarrassing.

[ChooChooCat]

Yes, you obviously are dense.

You stated "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting" which directly infers that he can't recruit.

I didn’t make the statement this is the most talented team he will ever have, but I do wonder if it’s true. Can he recruit? Will the results on the field affect his ability to bring in talent?

I get it that you think it’s ridiculous to talk about replacing him a few games into his first season but maybe your boy will prove everyone wrong and go on a winning streak to end the season and then bring in a top-30 class. If you’ve seen evidence that can happen, I must have missed it, but I’m happy you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

For one thing he's not "My Boy"

I just can't support firing a new coach halfway through his first season. If we did, its highly likely the next coach is also going to have a losing season next year.........and the same message board-savants will be back here screaming for firing him too.

The UA can't afford to engage in an endless fire-the-coach doom loop.

No one is suggesting to fire him today. If he's fired it'd be after the season is over.

It's not up to the UA to afford it. It's up to the boosters if they want to pay it. Nobody is advocating U of A go 14 million more in debt to buy out Brennan, because you're right, it can't. It doesn't have to come from U of A to fire him though.

I'll say it again. If the boosters are willing to pony up $$$8 figures to fire Brennan their money would be better spent on NIL. At least we can buy some better players and have a better team next year.

We have NFL talent now. A lot of good that's doing us with this great coaching staff.

[azgreg]

I don't know how many times on 3rd and short I didn't see any receivers inside 10 yards. Weird.

[dmjcat]

Ok, so the team lost its entire starting defensive front. Was defense the problem at any point until recently due to all of the injuries? Against NAU, K State, Utah, Texas Tech, BYU, and Colorado, Arizona put up 16ppg. Is that the defensive lines fault?

Team returned its starting QB fresh off a Freshman Pac-12 POY campaign, returned a 1st round WR, acquired a solid platoon of RBs, and returned 4/5 of its starting OL, and the best it could muster from game 3-8 of the season was 16 points per game.

You get a grip man. Good christ.

Maybe Brent should focus less on vibes and more on hiring an actual QB coach or an OC who has called plays within the last decade next time. There's no excuse for how bad this season's gone outside of pure ineptitude no matter how badly you want there to be. West Virginia was just as injury depleted as we are, and was coached by a guy with a hotter seat than Brent's got now, but we still lost to them at home with our starting QB playing and theirs being out. This is as bad as it gets and it's only going to get worse.

You seem to overlook that we also lost half of last years starters on offense, and the primary offensive line backup. Those 6 players included 3 NFL level players, including 2 receivers. This is NOT last years team.

Outside of one game (Colorado), would you say the offensive line is the reason for poor offensive play? The offensive line still returned a 4 year starter at center, a NFL OT, and Wendell Moe. There were holes sure, but once again the line ain't the problem. If the line has a problem it revolves around the different strategy I.E. scheme.

You're right this is not last year's team, because last year's team had an effective offensive scheme and identity. This year doesn't, unless you call handoffs that take 10 seconds to execute an identity. Quit making excuses for piss poor coaching. It's really ridiculous.

The OL has been a serious problem. Yes we returned 3 starters. Unfortunately, it takes 5 players to make up an offensive line. In case you haven't noticed Fifita has been running for his life the entire season (which he wasn't last season).

When he does have time to throw the only competent receiver that we have is TMac. We don't have a single other receiver on the team with separation speed. We miss TannerMac and Cowing greatly. The lack of a 2nd talented receiver has resulted in TMac getting double coverage almost constantly.

1. I love how you don't even think to possibly blame the new OL coach and his new strategy whatsoever for the issues with the O-Line.
2. The routes our WRs are running don't make sense and makes any issues the OL have multiply by 12, because Noah needs more time to throw than he did previously.
3. There are other guys that can separate, but the routes are so stupid or so deep for no reason that by the time the guys are at the end of their route Noah is already scrambling.

The coaching matters. Stop acting as if it doesn't. It's embarrassing.

1) You obviously don't know how to judge talent or you would realize that Wooten (now our RT) is severely lacking in foot speed and has
problems blocking his shadow. Coaching is NOT the issue here. Talent is.

2) The routes are NOT significantly different than last year. All major football offensive schemes spread out their WR's to create as many
holes/gaps as possible and Brennans is no different

3) NO, we do not have anyone else other than TMac with consistent separation speed. Fisch only played 3 receivers the majority of the time
last year. for a reason........you obviously were not watching.

You should really cease posting. Your lack of football knowledge is extremely embarrassing.

[dmjcat]

I didn’t make the statement this is the most talented team he will ever have, but I do wonder if it’s true. Can he recruit? Will the results on the field affect his ability to bring in talent?

I get it that you think it’s ridiculous to talk about replacing him a few games into his first season but maybe your boy will prove everyone wrong and go on a winning streak to end the season and then bring in a top-30 class. If you’ve seen evidence that can happen, I must have missed it, but I’m happy you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

For one thing he's not "My Boy"

I just can't support firing a new coach halfway through his first season. If we did, its highly likely the next coach is also going to have a losing season next year.........and the same message board-savants will be back here screaming for firing him too.

The UA can't afford to engage in an endless fire-the-coach doom loop.

No one is suggesting to fire him today. If he's fired it'd be after the season is over.

It's not up to the UA to afford it. It's up to the boosters if they want to pay it. Nobody is advocating U of A go 14 million more in debt to buy out Brennan, because you're right, it can't. It doesn't have to come from U of A to fire him though.

I'll say it again. If the boosters are willing to pony up $$$8 figures to fire Brennan their money would be better spent on NIL. At least we can buy some better players and have a better team next year.

We have NFL talent now. A lot of good that's doing us with this great coaching staff.

We have, at most, 4 potential NFL players TMac for sure, Loop probably, JoeS probably and maybe Tacario Davis (although he has looked like crap in a few games thus far). It takes 22 players (plus a couple of kickers) to field a team. 4 guys don't cut it.

We currently have 8 starters left over from last years team. That means that 63.6% of last years starting talent is GONE.....in other words, the bulk of the team. 63.6% is the majority of the players, in case you don't comprehend basic math.

[Chicat]

So you’re saying Brennan doesn’t have the ability to coach up our players to an NFL level? Your defense of him is crumbling quicker than our actual defense.

[Alieberman]

You all need to start deleting most of the quotes you are quoting… getting outrageous!

[Merkin]

We have, at most, 4 potential NFL players TMac for sure, Loop probably, JoeS maybe and maybe Tacario Davis (although he has looked like crap in a few games thus far). It takes 22 players (plus a couple of kickers) to field a team. 4 guys don't cut it.

Davis is still nursing a groin injury, at least last I heard.

But if you had to pick two players to keep from last season, wouldn't they be Fifita and T-Mac?

Fifita holds the ball longer than any other QB in FBS, at least he did. That must show some ability with the OL.

Just needs to stop throwing 20-30 yard passes, and get the ball out quicker. A 5 yard slant pass is as good as a 5 yard run and moves the DBs closer.

[dmjcat]

So you’re saying Brennan doesn’t have the ability to coach up our players to an NFL level? Your defense of him is crumbling quicker than our actual defense.

You have to posses the talent to be "coached up"..........we don't have it. The UA is mainly a 2-3 star bunch of players.

Occasionally a "Two Star Scooby" comes along but they are few and far in between. The bulk of the talent in college football is currently attending SEC/B1G schools.........where the NIL is at.

[Chicat]

So you’re saying Brennan doesn’t have the ability to coach up our players to an NFL level? Your defense of him is crumbling quicker than our actual defense.

You have to posses the talent to be "coached up"..........we don't have it. The UA is mainly a 2-3 star bunch of players.

Occasionally a "Two Star Scooby" comes along but they are few and far in between. The bulk of the talent in college football is currently attending SEC/B1G schools.........where the NIL is at.

Hence my question about recruiting. You know, the one you freaked out about even though I specifically stated that if he could recruit at a higher level than Fisch the statement about this being the most talented team he’ll ever have wouldn’t be true? Yeah, that one.

[dmjcat]

So you’re saying Brennan doesn’t have the ability to coach up our players to an NFL level? Your defense of him is crumbling quicker than our actual defense.

You have to posses the talent to be "coached up"..........we don't have it. The UA is mainly a 2-3 star bunch of players.

Occasionally a "Two Star Scooby" comes along but they are few and far in between. The bulk of the talent in college football is currently attending SEC/B1G schools.........where the NIL is at.

Hence my question about recruiting. You know, the one you freaked out about even though I specifically stated that if he could recruit at a higher level than Fisch the statement about this being the most talented team he’ll ever have wouldn’t be true? Yeah, that one.

No, you said "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting". You inferred he could not recruit.

And I didn't "freak out" LOL, You are overly sensitive Chicat.

[IrishAzCat]

[azgreg]

You all need to start deleting most of the quotes you are quoting… getting outrageous!

What?

[azgreg]

You all need to start deleting most of the quotes you are quoting… getting outrageous!

What?

What?

[azgreg]

You all need to start deleting most of the quotes you are quoting… getting outrageous!

What?

What?

Sorry.

[Chicat]

So you’re saying Brennan doesn’t have the ability to coach up our players to an NFL level? Your defense of him is crumbling quicker than our actual defense.

You have to posses the talent to be "coached up"..........we don't have it. The UA is mainly a 2-3 star bunch of players.

Occasionally a "Two Star Scooby" comes along but they are few and far in between. The bulk of the talent in college football is currently attending SEC/B1G schools.........where the NIL is at.

Hence my question about recruiting. You know, the one you freaked out about even though I specifically stated that if he could recruit at a higher level than Fisch the statement about this being the most talented team he’ll ever have wouldn’t be true? Yeah, that one.

No, you said "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting". You inferred he could not recruit.

I followed that up with this sentence.

“If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction.”

I’m sorry I insulted your boy with such a heinous statement that required you reply “My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???” which was a funny little freak out about something I did not say, but I get it. You are just protecting your boy Brennan.

[dmjcat]

So you’re saying Brennan doesn’t have the ability to coach up our players to an NFL level? Your defense of him is crumbling quicker than our actual defense.

You have to posses the talent to be "coached up"..........we don't have it. The UA is mainly a 2-3 star bunch of players.

Occasionally a "Two Star Scooby" comes along but they are few and far in between. The bulk of the talent in college football is currently attending SEC/B1G schools.........where the NIL is at.

Hence my question about recruiting. You know, the one you freaked out about even though I specifically stated that if he could recruit at a higher level than Fisch the statement about this being the most talented team he’ll ever have wouldn’t be true? Yeah, that one.

No, you said "Most talented team he will ever have is also a commentary on his recruiting". You inferred he could not recruit.

I followed that up with this sentence.

“If he’s currently pulling in kids at the level or above where Fisch was, then that’s not a factual prediction.”

I’m sorry I insulted your boy with such a heinous statement that required you reply “My God, Brennan hasn't even HAD the chance to have one recruiting class and you are already saying he can't recruit???” which was a funny little freak out about something I did not say, but I get it. You are just protecting your boy Brennan.

LOL. Brennan is not "My Boy" and I am certainly not "freaking out"

You on the other hand......................................................

[UAdevil]

Right...dmj...sure...

[Chicat]

DMJ’sBCBB

[dmjcat]

DMJ’sBCBB

I pity your wife

[AZarchery]

I am sticking up for SANITY.

Fire Brennan and whomever you hire is going to have the SAME problem next year (little talent). And of course with very little NIL the new coach won't be able to recruit either so the "Jump of the Cliff" crowd will be right back here calling for the new coach to be fired.

Get a grip. You don't rebuild overnight, especially if you are NIL-Limited UA.

Think about every new coach UofA has had and the talent they had available. Stoops had nothing, rich rod had nothing, sumlin had a diva in Tate, fisch had less than nothing.

Now picture the circumstance Brennan walked into. All 4 of those coaches would have traded anything to start with what Brennan has.

THIS ISNT A REBUILD. Stop saying that. Brennan almost everything in place to field an upper tier Big 12 team. Maybe not contend for a title but def not finish last like we will.

[azgreg]

I was on board with the Brennan hire but he's clearly in over his head. I don't see an Arizona successful season in his future at all.

[ProfessorFate]

"You should really cease posting. Your lack of football knowledge is extremely embarrassing."

You are embarrassing yourself at this point. This is a strange hill you've decided to die on.

[Chicat]

DMJ’sBCBB

I pity your wife

Oh goody, a personal attack bringing up my family. You’re a real winner dmj.

[dmjcat]

DMJ’sBCBB

I pity your wife

Oh goody, a personal attack bringing up my family. You’re a real winner dmj.

I didn't attack your family or wife.......I pity them.

As far as personal attacks thats the pot calling the kettle black!!!

[Postmaster]

What is that technique where Fafita holds the ball like he is a statue when he is handing off? I've seen similar but it's usually a team that is employing an option of some sort.

[AZarchery]

What is that technique where Fafita holds the ball like he is a statue when he is handing off? I've seen similar but it's usually a team that is employing an option of some sort.

Idk, but I like how our o line is a problem except Fifita has the longest time to throw in college football. So which is it.