2015 Recruiting Class Poll

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:59 am

Feel free to vote and add comments below

Felt this deserved its own thread.

I gave the class a 5 out of 10.

Positives - 5 good strong OL recruits, really like Magliore and Fotu as JUCO transfers, Like Franklin as an OKG, think Holmes, Bradford and Shun Brown should all be solid contributers/starters even though all are small but bring speed, secondary we brought in a lot of people there.

Negatives - QB (always recruit one per class), RB (Only 1 when our depth is an issue), DL (Where are the studs outside of Fotu), LB (Seriously none, not good), Lack of stars is very concerning to me. The offer lists on many of our guys was very weak compared to the past 2 years especially last year. Ranked 9th to 10th in the Pac 12 which is pathetic

Compared to previous years its about average, compared to last year its below average, and compared to what I thought we would bring in considering the new facilities and our record its really below average

We will see in 5 years who is right!

BMalo · Post by **BMalo** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:48 am

I gave it a 7 out of 10.

I view each recruiting class as supplementation to what we have on the following year's roster with regards to who is returning. I think we picked up a couple guys who can contribute to depth and some can fight for starting time.

I think adding a QB every year is overrated when we have Solomon and Dawkins going for likely the next few years.

I would've liked to see maybe one more RB and some more depth at LB/DT but I'm really looking forward to seeing what Fotu can do.

Going into year 4 of the RR era, I'm not as concerned with the star recruits. If we can make 10 or 10+ win seasons a regular thing than I'll start expecting more high-star recruits but I don't think we are there yet for me to be concerned about the lack of them in this class.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:59 am

I am a very casual fan when it comes to recruiting so I gave this class a 3 out of 10. Definitely underwhelming as far as star power and national buzz.

Of course my vote could absolutely change once these guys see the field. And it might only take one or two kids to switch my thinking. If you were to ask me now what I thought about Scooby/Anu's class I'd tell you it was one of the best in history. I'm sure though I thought it was fairly "meh" when they signed.

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:37 am

I went with "5"

A "7" towards getting some contributions to depth chart, player size and supporting having winning season

A "3/4" towards number contributing to Rose Bowl level roster.

A "3/4" in exploiting - taking advantage of a 10 win / P12 South Champ season. I'll speculate recruiting class would look little/lot different with less pre-season commits. Will be interesting to see when 2016 Class fills up.

Time/History will tell.

Folesfor10K · Post by **Folesfor10K** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:52 pm

I gave the class a 3. Love Keenan Walker. Really like Fotu and Creason....After that I feel like if a guy had any other options, we couldn't get him. My pessimism is exacerbated by assus success. Even though they couldn't close with a lot of the really premium players they were in the conversation late.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:55 pm

I trust the coaches. I've heard enough of the "don't judge the class until it contributes on the field" lecture ad naseum.

But this is a very disappointing, underwhelming class.
No solid QB.
No RB. (How was not even 1 decent 3 star RB not convinced to sign?)
Whiffed on DYoung, Reid, and McGinnis.
Below average D recruits.

2/10

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:50 pm

I'll wait a couple of years to pass judgement on this class. I can't be disappointed or excited with a group of recruits until they've had time to develop and play. Some of the highest rated recruits end up leaving without ever playing a down. Some of the "who's that?" recruits end up becoming legends. I can't get too wrapped up in recruiting for those reasons.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:33 am

I gave it a 10, just to be a dick and because I'm sick of 17 Newportcat threads on how disappointing this class is. Hopefully that invalidates this whole stupid, f_cking poll.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:46 am

I am going to give it a point for every win we had last year so 10. First, this class was all committed for the most part before the season even started so our 10 wins and south title have yet to have
impact (except our lone committ for next year is a 4 star kid who everyone wants).

We signed 5 really good O lineman and we signed several safety candidates which was a position of need. We got some insurance at RB with a guy offered by Michigan. We got a kid in Holmess who is electric. The coaches evaluated and offered who they wanted. They didn't settle so why should I think they did.

Now this year if we dont elevate star wise I might be a tad didappointed. I think we should get between 4-6 four star guys given our south title and probable repeat 10 win season

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:16 am

After the well anticipated lackluster results of the 2015 Arizona recruiting class and looking over this year’s other PAC-12 recruiting classes I can’t help but recall the iconic and immortal words uttered by the “Oracle” in the movie Matrix.

“I hate giving good people bad news”.

Rivals Final National Recruiting Team Rankings;

#1. USC
#13. UCLA
#17. Oregon
#18. Stanford
#20. ASSU
#29. CAL
#30. UW

#41. UofA
#42. Utah

#56. WSU
#70. OSU
#70. COL

When it comes to the UofA and its 41st ranked recruiting classes playing in a Rose Bowl any time soon. Well one can dream while living in the football Matrix world.

I’ll give the class an inflated 4 out of 10 just because I think RR is the best we’ve ever had and I really like him. Other than that, give me a ******* break with the recruiting hype acting as if its better than it really is.

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:28 am

Gladiator Cat wrote:I’ll give the class an inflated 4 out of 10 just because I think RR is the best we’ve ever had and I really like him. Other than that, give me a ******* break with the recruiting hype acting as if its better than it really is.

In order to continue the recruiting discussion... "The RR is the best we've had" is why I personally like to discuss. That and with new TV contract, donations, facilities, CFB money, P5 autonomy, Byrne at the helm and because I believe the P12 is in position to challenge the SEC in the FBS conference power hierarchy, I feel it's Arizona's time. Time to act, time to position.

Feel it's a window of opportunity that doesn't come around often or often enough.

Is RR the best Arizona has had? Time will tell but he's certainly one of the best. Tomey maybe, but look how long ago that was. There's been lots of fan hardship between Tomey and now. At least for this fan.

I will always bleed Red and Blue, but I want to check myself for my Rose colored glasses and being a UA homer. Football program much better shape with a a brighter "hope' than I've felt in a looong time.

If RR were to leave or not being able to take AZ to the next level, I'm not confident that can be replaced or surpassed. At least not right away. It would take another who knows how long.

Window of opportunity. I think it's OK for Fans to question staff (maybe a Fan duty?), communicate possible concerns. Doesn't make the concerns correct. We're not FBS coaches. But concerns can be based on some facts like how rankings translate into School's field performance to aid in the discussion. I don't know if staff reads these threads. I'll assume they do.

I think it's OK for them to feel some fan pressure even if program accomplishments are the best its had for long long time. Keep pushing forward. Pursue the Opportunity.

I would expect staff to be "comfortable being uncomfortable" (perception or reality) even with fan recruiting expectations.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:45 am

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:But concerns can be based on some facts like how rankings translate into School's field performance to aid in the discussion..

Not going to look for them now, but every study I have seen has shown there is a relationship between recruit star rankings and on field success. Always be exceptions of course, a teams with a 1 star recruiting ranking may be a team with a 5 star recruiting ranking one out of 20 times.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:21 am

Puerco wrote:I gave it a 10, just to be a dick and because I'm sick of 17 Newportcat threads on how disappointing this class is. Hopefully that invalidates this whole stupid, f_cking poll.

Ok, thank you. I felt setting up a poll to gauge what people think was a pretty valid and smart thing to do. I voted it a 5, put my reasons down and wanted to allow others to do the same. Appreciate you being a dick thank you, enjoy your day puerco which is apparently spanish for douchebag

BMalo · Post by **BMalo** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:05 pm

I am interested in stars but I don't live and die by them regarding recruiting classes. I don't know if Arizona will ever get to the level of having a top 10 recruiting class every year, although it would be nice.

I think part of that is because the recruiting rating system is flawed. We all know that when a kid commits early to a school like Arizona, their star status isn't likely to increase, unless maybe their offer list is incredible. With how early RR and staff offer kids and get kids to commit, it's likely that 3-stars may stay 3-stars instead of being bumped up to 4-stars.

If we were able to change the national perception of Arizona, which would likely take consecutive 10-win seasons, big time bowl games, being able to win those big time bowl games, etc., than maybe those early commits who were 3- and 4-stars could get bumped up based on our national prominence.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:24 pm

Puerco wrote:I gave it a 10, just to be a dick and because I'm sick of 17 Newportcat threads on how disappointing this class is. Hopefully that invalidates this whole stupid, f_cking poll.

Well said in my opinion and agree.

We didn't get a QB because as RR has stated numerous times - he likes where we are at the QB position. Not to mention that we started a RS frosh who had a lot of success and will probably start the next 3 years. For those who think we should've taken a QB who did you want to throw back? Not to mention that I find it amusing that a guy who "stockpiles" QB is getting flack for not taking one? RR is obviously comfortable with Dawkins and Randall backing up Anu.

As far as RB's go Bradford is rated a 3* recruit by scout and was personally recruited by our RB's coach. Curious as to what else some of you wanted in regards to a RB? Not to mention that everything I've seen and read in regards to Darick Holmes says he will get a lot of carries out of the backfield. Keith Smith (former UA standout) is his OC and says he's "lightning in a bottle and impossible to tackle". Newberry Park HS also runs the exact same offense that Arizona runs. Scheer said yesterday that he thinks by the time Holmes leaves Arizona that the local schools in LA will regret that they let him leave SoCal. But what do they know, let's continue to bitch about this class.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:39 pm

Merkin wrote:
RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:But concerns can be based on some facts like how rankings translate into School's field performance to aid in the discussion..
Not going to look for them now, but every study I have seen has shown there is a relationship between recruit star rankings and on field success. Always be exceptions of course, a teams with a 1 star recruiting ranking may be a team with a 5 star recruiting ranking one out of 20 times.

And every time I see that stat I wonder how the same coach that we have now - had recruiting classes that ranked in the 40's and 50's yet he finished 11-1,11-2 and 11-2 in 3 straight years at WVU? Coincidence? Beat #8 Georgia in the Sugar bowl in 2005 and #3 Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl in 2007. From week 8 of the 2005 season to the end of the 2007 season when RR left - WVU was ranked in the top 18 every week and top 10 for all but 6 weeks for 2 and a half seasons. In 07 they played 5 ranked teams that year so spare me with the "the Big East was weak" comment. The same coach comes to Arizona and we win what was picked by every pundit outside of the SEC as the toughest division in all of college football.

All of that and people wonder if he and his staff can recruit the right guys to play in his system? Even after he has said repeatedly that they don't judge players nor do they recruit based on star rankings. It's why what Puerco said is spot on in my mind.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:19 pm

dc4azcats wrote: had recruiting classes that ranked in the 40's and 50's yet he finished 11-1,11-2 and 11-2 in 3 straight years at WVU? Coincidence? Beat #8 Georgia in the Sugar bowl in 2005 and #3 Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl in 2007. From week 8 of the 2005 season to the end of the 2007 season when RR left - WVU was ranked in the top 18 every week and top 10 for all but 6 weeks for 2 and a half seasons

Wasn't Pat White WVU's QB during those seasons?

Mike Price had some pretty good seasons at Wazzu with crappy everything, yet made it to a couple of Rose Bowls by scoring some top notch QBs. Price put 5 QBs in the league when UA put 0 in the same time period.

Hopefully Solomon can shake off his second half of the season doldrums (due to injury) or Brandon Dawkins can do as well as expected.

Catstatic · Post by **Catstatic** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:33 pm

We are 8-5, 8-5, and 10-4 in the last year, and won the toughest division in the nation. 2 star Scoobie just had the greatest statistical season in University of Arizona history, took home pretty much every national award he could, and he is only a sophomore. Oh yeah, our starting backfield will both be sophomores next year. This is a very young team.

Simply put, I completely trust RR when it comes to this football team. He and his staff know the kind of players they want, and they go after them. He was a hard-nosed football player who had to earn everything he got, and he expects the same from his players. Maybe some prima donna's don't like that? Maybe they want to be assured of some things RR won't guarantee? Don't know, and ultimately I don't care.

The team that played for the national championship is the only team that put a beat down on this team last year, and that was with Anu injured. Offense could never get going, the defense was on the field forever and eventually wore out. However, RR has beaten Oregon the two previous times, one a blowout of his own!

Give this guy a bunch of 3 star players of his choosing, throw in a handful of 4 stars at the skill positions, grab the popcorn and enjoy the game. These guys are getting better and better.

Go Cats!!

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:41 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Puerco wrote:I gave it a 10, just to be a dick and because I'm sick of 17 Newportcat threads on how disappointing this class is. Hopefully that invalidates this whole stupid, f_cking poll.
Well said in my opinion and agree.

We didn't get a QB because as RR has stated numerous times - he likes where we are at the QB position. Not to mention that we started a RS frosh who had a lot of success and will probably start the next 3 years. For those who think we should've taken a QB who did you want to throw back? Not to mention that I find it amusing that a guy who "stockpiles" QB is getting flack for not taking one? RR is obviously comfortable with Dawkins and Randall backing up Anu.

As far as RB's go Bradford is rated a 3* recruit by scout and was personally recruited by our RB's coach. Curious as to what else some of you wanted in regards to a RB? Not to mention that everything I've seen and read in regards to Darick Holmes says he will get a lot of carries out of the backfield. Keith Smith (former UA standout) is his OC and says he's "lightning in a bottle and impossible to tackle". Newberry Park HS also runs the exact same offense that Arizona runs. Scheer said yesterday that he thinks by the time Holmes leaves Arizona that the local schools in LA will regret that they let him leave SoCal. But what do they know, let's continue to bitch about this class.

You make some valid arguments, but go way over the top at times. I think we have reason to have faith in the players offered early who filled up the class regardless of their star rating - that seems to be the way he rolls and has certainly been quite successful with that approach. That does not mean this class is not without holes, or at least a MAJOR one.

The one point that I do not buy for a second is that Rich Rod did not want a QB in this class. Did he not offer any? And funny that you mention it, but especially from a guy who "collects QB's", because (as he says) he needs 7 or 8 so he can find 2 who can play. Right now we have 2; I do not use that term loosely enough to include Randall in that category; he is a 4th year junior that is what he is - and it is NOT a Quarterback.

Maybe Dawkins is as terrific as "UA fan site reports", and if both he and Anu are healthy we should be okay; We get hit with a couple of injuries, and we're toast. To imply that Solomon is a future superstar is awfully optimistic. He looked really good at times and downright awful in others - and the trend was not sloping in the right direction. As you have posted elsewhere - which I agree with - Rich Rod will displace a starter with a younger kid if the underclassman earns it. He's done it before, even at QB.

As for Holmes... He might be fantastic and I hope he is. But I am going to bank on the endorsement from his HS coach as much as I will accept character testimony from a mom whose only son is being sentenced. Or Rosborough's declaration that Ricky Anderson was the next Shane Battier coming off his RS year.

I guess you and Newport balance each other out...

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:59 pm

This whole idea of just trust Rich Rod and he knows exactly what he is doing is hilarious to me when in reality Rich Rod himself the past two years has questioned taking commitments so early and not having scholie's at the end. Luckily this year for the most part we got guys to honor those early commitments but still Rich Rod saying that again tells me a couple things

1. He does not like the current system we have in place and wants to change it. So even Rich Rod would disagree with some of the fans here who back up his system as the be all end all
2. He thought we could get better players later then what we currently had committed

I love Rich Rod's honesty but if I was an early commit I would be a little pissed off reading that

Who really knows but I do know one thing

Since rankings first came out we typically recruit between a 2.5 to 3 star level for an overall class, and how many rose bowls have we made during that time.....but yes guys I am the dick for pointing that out and bringing it up on an Arizona football fan website thread talking about recruiting for Arizona football

The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again expecting different results

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:15 pm

So what is the answer Newport?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:23 pm

azcat49 wrote:So what is the answer Newport?

It's obvious we need to drop the football program.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:34 pm

I voted a 3 because we finished in the lower 1/3rd in the recruiting rankings with a big ZERO 4 star players. Could this class have 5 Scoobies in it??? Yes, miracles do happen but if one grades the class objectively a score of 3 is more realistic.

More disturbing is how we compare with the "Unwashed" up north. 7 Four star recruits to our Zero. That is simply inexcusable. Maybe they will always out-recruit us slightly because they are located in the biggest population center in the state......but they are still selling cactus to everyone else outside of the state, and they obviously beat the hell out of our staff. RRod needs to stand up and take notice.

I was also not pleased with the "We won the walk on recruiting war" comment. This reeks of a Freudian slip...they might as well have said "We got our asses kicked". It would have been more accurate and honest.

Gladiator Cat · Post by **Gladiator Cat** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:54 pm

I know we're just beating this horse to death, but the reality is, USC, UCLA, ORE, Stanford and ASSU took a huge step forward in recruiting this cycle.

The UofA took a step back.

Folks can try to rationalize and misdirect the reality of the situation but all of the five teams listed above us added bigger, stronger, better, and higher rated numbers of horses to their stable than we did.

Sorry we took a step back, and in his heart of hearts, even Rich Rod knows it.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:08 pm

dmjcat wrote:I voted a 3 because we finished in the lower 1/3rd in the recruiting rankings with a big ZERO 4 star players. Could this class have 5 Scoobies in it??? Yes, miracles do happen but if one grades the class objectively a score of 3 is more realistic.

More disturbing is how we compare with the "Unwashed" up north. 7 Four star recruits to our Zero. That is simply inexcusable. Maybe they will always out-recruit us slightly because they are located in the biggest population center in the state......but they are still selling cactus to everyone else outside of the state, and they obviously beat the hell out of our staff. RRod needs to stand up and take notice.

I was also not pleased with the "We won the walk on recruiting war" comment. This reeks of a Freudian slip...they might as well have said "We got our asses kicked". It would have been more accurate and honest.

Scout has Walker as a 4* player - not that you care but it's there. Fotu is also listed a 4* player. Why let facts get in the way though right? As for the school up north there's seems to be some question as to how many of those guys actually get admitted. Time will tell.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:20 pm

Newportcat wrote:
The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again expecting different results

Like posting the same thing over and over again on a message board and expecting something to
change with respect to recruiting?

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:23 pm

Gladiator Cat wrote:I know we're just beating this horse to death, but the reality is, USC, UCLA, ORE, Stanford and ASSU took a huge step forward in recruiting this cycle.

The UofA took a step back.

Folks can try to rationalize and misdirect the reality of the situation but all of the five teams listed above us added bigger, stronger, better, and higher rated numbers of horses to their stable than we did.

Sorry we took a step back, and in his heart of hearts, even Rich Rod knows it.

And all of that and who won the South? You ladies can't stop bitching can you? News flash for you, I can promise you that RR doesn't feel like we took a step back at all. He added depth all over the place and let's see we red shirted the following 4* players:

Griffin
Cobb
Ware
add the fact that both Denson and Wilson were 4* players who are just frosh and Anu was a 4* player as well.

So that's 6, plus Fotu who by all accounts will play next year makes 7 4 star guys who will see the field next year. It's a safe bet that all 7 will play major roles this upcoming season. RR is so down right now it will probably take something stronger than Gatorade to even show up for Spring Camp. All 7 plus Walker will be here in '16 as well which will make 8 4 star guys on the field - not that anybody is counting or anything.

edit: Forgot to add Neal who was actually a 5* guy out of HS. I think his move to the secondary will be beneficial to everybody as a lot of folks thought he was a better DB coming out of HS than he was as a slot guy. For those of you scoring at home that would make 8 4* guys or better on the field this upcoming season. Interesting enough, 6 of the 8 will be on the defensive side of the ball. My math is not that great but 6 out of 11 isn't bad. Then throw in the 2* scrubs like Scooby and Will Parks and we might have a decent defense after all next season.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:00 pm

I would bet we have more 4 star starters and kids in the roster then ever at this point. I get that this has nothing to do with this class but you all seem disappointed we didn't get more because we won 10 and the SD outh.

Memo to all, those kids were c omitted by kick off of the UNLV game. Glad RR didn't go Brittney Graham and back out.

Quit bitching and rejoice in 8-8-10 and who knows how many this year. We will better on defense. Better on offense. Tough road schedule but guess what, we now have the heart of a champion that I'd difficult to cut out.

I hope this whole class reads your quotes. Just like 1990 when we were #10 of 10 and the swarm rose up. Hey if you are right in 4 years, kudos to you. My bet is we see a lot of contributions from these guys and while Newport will ask if they netted a Rose Bowl, I will ask him again, what is the answer?

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:08 pm

The answer is many things

1. Clearly don't take so many guys so early especially when many do not have any other good offers. Rich Rod said he would do this last year but then didnt, which is hard for me to understand since he is the head coach and can dictate anything he wants. Dont fill up every spot by the time the season starts
2. Focus on California and Arizona and skip places like the east coast, florida, or louisana. If you go back in our history, it seems every good player is from arizona or california. The staff hasnt done a good enough job in the state of Arizona and can continue to improve in the state of California. For years we recruited texas hard and it lead to nothing. and for gods sake recruit some guys from Orange County!
3. Dont be afraid to recruit against the big boys on the west coast including USC, UCLA, and Oregon. Rich Rod has a good brand and so does the U of A. in 2014 we went head to head with some bigger programs and won recruits, why did that change this year.
4. Do everything possible to get an indoor practice facility built or planned and a real outdoor practice facility. I think the indoor facility is long overdue. I understand the focus is on MCKale and paying off debt for Lowell Stevens but to me, you build that indoor facility and boom, you just overcame one of the biggest objections we have in that the weather during the summer and most of the fall is damn hot for football. I also personally think its embarrasing we practice in a baseball stadium. Lowell Stevens was very important but still doesnt overcome the objection a player visiting on an unofficial or attending one of our camps has which its damn hot for football.
5. When in doubt, go back to what you did to land the 2014 class which if tabor and hale werent idiots, was a strong class and one i would like to have seen again.

Why do I keep posting, because I can not get over the frustration for why we took a step back this year in recruiting. I am just shocked we would take a step back with Lowell Stevens and our record.

I really think Rich Rod realizes all the early commitments hurt us this year and he will change his strategy. He is too good of a coach not to do things to improve. Sorry for continuing to post, but i love recruiting and just get frustrated as i want to make a rose bowl. I just cant help but think one major reason why we have not ever been there is we have not recruited high level players consistently enough.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:18 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
Newportcat wrote:
The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again expecting different results
Like posting the same thing over and over again on a message board and expecting something to
change with respect to recruiting?

*golf clap*

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:22 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:I know we're just beating this horse to death, but the reality is, USC, UCLA, ORE, Stanford and ASSU took a huge step forward in recruiting this cycle.

The UofA took a step back.

Folks can try to rationalize and misdirect the reality of the situation but all of the five teams listed above us added bigger, stronger, better, and higher rated numbers of horses to their stable than we did.

Sorry we took a step back, and in his heart of hearts, even Rich Rod knows it.
And all of that and who won the South? You ladies can't stop bitching can you? News flash for you, I can promise you that RR doesn't feel like we took a step back at all. He added depth all over the place and let's see we red shirted the following 4* players:

Griffin
Cobb
Ware
add the fact that both Denson and Wilson were 4* players who are just frosh and Anu was a 4* player as well.

So that's 6, plus Fotu who by all accounts will play next year makes 7 4 star guys who will see the field next year. It's a safe bet that all 7 will play major roles this upcoming season. RR is so down right now it will probably take something stronger than Gatorade to even show up for Spring Camp. All 7 plus Walker will be here in '16 as well which will make 8 4 star guys on the field - not that anybody is counting or anything.

edit: Forgot to add Neal who was actually a 5* guy out of HS. I think his move to the secondary will be beneficial to everybody as a lot of folks thought he was a better DB coming out of HS than he was as a slot guy. For those of you scoring at home that would make 8 4* guys or better on the field this upcoming season. Interesting enough, 6 of the 8 will be on the defensive side of the ball. My math is not that great but 6 out of 11 isn't bad. Then throw in the 2* scrubs like Scooby and Will Parks and we might have a decent defense after all next season.

All extremely valid points that should calm the masses. Although I think Parks was a 3* that was a pretty good recruit on paper - which actually adds to your argument.

That said - and I mean this in good fun - you do realize the irony in pointing out how many highly rated recruits we have in the rotataion next year when debating the importance of star rankings for the current class?

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:40 pm

Prioritizing Texas didn't work because the two coaches that prioritized Texas were an incompetent buffoon and a DC in head coach's clothing that didn't like to recruit. If there is talent in Louisiana (there is) and we can be successful in getting talent from there (it appears we can) then we should flipping recruit there (and we are).

No argument from me on the indoor practice facility, that's got to be the next big investment. And I agree that the tactical approach of loading up early again may have cost us a shot at a guy or two, and is something that to my eyes should be re-calibrated a bit.

But for crying out loud....Puerco may have been a bit indelicate in his approach, but he's right. And DC, and 49, and Eebs86, and Catstatic. I don't think any of us are saying you have to be thrilled with this class, but continuing to harp on how we did vs. ASU and how we got killed by USC and UCLA and how we're doomed to failure etc etc is just looking for things to be unhappy about.

Cheer up. Champions of the P12South, arguably the toughest division in the NCAA, with a team led by freshmen and sophomores and possibly zero NFL draft picks in the senior class. If that doesn't make you optimistic and give you some level of faith that RR & Co. know what they are doing, you need some Xanax.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:08 pm

Newportcat wrote:The answer is many things

1. Clearly don't take so many guys so early especially when many do not have any other good offers. Rich Rod said he would do this last year but then didnt, which is hard for me to understand since he is the head coach and can dictate anything he wants. Dont fill up every spot by the time the season starts
2. Focus on California and Arizona and skip places like the east coast, florida, or louisana. If you go back in our history, it seems every good player is from arizona or california. The staff hasnt done a good enough job in the state of Arizona and can continue to improve in the state of California. For years we recruited texas hard and it lead to nothing. and for gods sake recruit some guys from Orange County!
3. Dont be afraid to recruit against the big boys on the west coast including USC, UCLA, and Oregon. Rich Rod has a good brand and so does the U of A. in 2014 we went head to head with some bigger programs and won recruits, why did that change this year.
4. Do everything possible to get an indoor practice facility built or planned and a real outdoor practice facility. I think the indoor facility is long overdue. I understand the focus is on MCKale and paying off debt for Lowell Stevens but to me, you build that indoor facility and boom, you just overcame one of the biggest objections we have in that the weather during the summer and most of the fall is damn hot for football. I also personally think its embarrasing we practice in a baseball stadium. Lowell Stevens was very important but still doesnt overcome the objection a player visiting on an unofficial or attending one of our camps has which its damn hot for football.
5. When in doubt, go back to what you did to land the 2014 class which if tabor and hale werent idiots, was a strong class and one i would like to have seen again.

Why do I keep posting, because I can not get over the frustration for why we took a step back this year in recruiting. I am just shocked we would take a step back with Lowell Stevens and our record.

I really think Rich Rod realizes all the early commitments hurt us this year and he will change his strategy. He is too good of a coach not to do things to improve. Sorry for continuing to post, but i love recruiting and just get frustrated as i want to make a rose bowl. I just cant help but think one major reason why we have not ever been there is we have not recruited high level players consistently enough.

Please for the love of God tell me why a coaching staff has to get validation from other coaches before he takes somebody? If that was the case we don't end up with a Scooby Wright do we? It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard yet you keep repeating it? You trust another coaching staff who thought Scooby should go play at Sac State before you trust this staff?

Number 2 is as dumb as number one. Go watch RR's presser in regards to Louisiana and why they recruit there, how good the football is played there and how good the coaching is there. What part of our past history compares to what RR is doing now? How many past coaches have won 8 or more games 3 straight years and gone to 3 straight bowl games? As far as recruiting Arizona goes we have the top OT in the state and the West according to Scout, the top OG in the state and the top DT in the state. We also have a JC AA from AZ Western CC.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a kid out of SoCal that wants to go to Sc or Ucla? Go watch some film on Darick Holmes and while your at it watch film on his younger brother.

Do you realize that Arizona has one of the nicest outdoor facilities that you will find anywhere? Do you seriously do any kind of research before you post? Do you even have a clue as to what it looks like? It's first rate because you have two full length football fields in there and can do anything and everything you want and aren't limited by not having enough space. Like what happens in a indoor facility where you're limited to space because all you can afford is 100 yard field if that. Judging by your posts you've never seen the practice facility have you? Of course you haven't. RR loves it. have you ever been around campus in the summer when the players are running wind sprints up the tunnels ramps of the stadium? So do you recommend they build that indoors as well?

RR said if he had to do it all over again he would leave some room but he also said that the guys that committed early he would take again. Not to mention the grey shirts, that are from LY but count towards TY. You say you love recruiting but with each post you show that you know next to nothing.

As azcat49 alluded to - how many times in the past have we put 8 4* players on the field at one time and 6 of those on the defensive side of the ball? Seriously though, you're killing it and should keep hammering away on a subject that you've proven with each post that you know next to nothing about.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:17 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:
Gladiator Cat wrote:I know we're just beating this horse to death, but the reality is, USC, UCLA, ORE, Stanford and ASSU took a huge step forward in recruiting this cycle.

The UofA took a step back.

Folks can try to rationalize and misdirect the reality of the situation but all of the five teams listed above us added bigger, stronger, better, and higher rated numbers of horses to their stable than we did.

Sorry we took a step back, and in his heart of hearts, even Rich Rod knows it.
And all of that and who won the South? You ladies can't stop bitching can you? News flash for you, I can promise you that RR doesn't feel like we took a step back at all. He added depth all over the place and let's see we red shirted the following 4* players:

Griffin
Cobb
Ware
add the fact that both Denson and Wilson were 4* players who are just frosh and Anu was a 4* player as well.

So that's 6, plus Fotu who by all accounts will play next year makes 7 4 star guys who will see the field next year. It's a safe bet that all 7 will play major roles this upcoming season. RR is so down right now it will probably take something stronger than Gatorade to even show up for Spring Camp. All 7 plus Walker will be here in '16 as well which will make 8 4 star guys on the field - not that anybody is counting or anything.

edit: Forgot to add Neal who was actually a 5* guy out of HS. I think his move to the secondary will be beneficial to everybody as a lot of folks thought he was a better DB coming out of HS than he was as a slot guy. For those of you scoring at home that would make 8 4* guys or better on the field this upcoming season. Interesting enough, 6 of the 8 will be on the defensive side of the ball. My math is not that great but 6 out of 11 isn't bad. Then throw in the 2* scrubs like Scooby and Will Parks and we might have a decent defense after all next season.
All extremely valid points that should calm the masses. Although I think Parks was a 3* that was a pretty good recruit on paper - which actually adds to your argument.

That said - and I mean this in good fun - you do realize the irony in pointing out how many highly rated recruits we have in the rotataion next year when debating the importance of star rankings for the current class?

I hate the star system and think it's a complete joke of a system and couldn't be any more flawed. I'm only pointing it out so the ladies on the board can get the sand out of their vags. Case in point is what RR did at WVU for 3 straight years. It wasn't till his last class that they ranked it in the top 25 (#18). Was it because he was embarrassing the recruiting sites for 3 straight years with 11 wins each season off of classes that they ranked in the 40's and 50's? His best recruiting class is ranked 18th and he goes to UM. What did Bill Stewart do with that recruiting class? 9-4 for 3 straight years.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:39 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:
Puerco wrote:I gave it a 10, just to be a dick and because I'm sick of 17 Newportcat threads on how disappointing this class is. Hopefully that invalidates this whole stupid, f_cking poll.
Well said in my opinion and agree.

We didn't get a QB because as RR has stated numerous times - he likes where we are at the QB position. Not to mention that we started a RS frosh who had a lot of success and will probably start the next 3 years. For those who think we should've taken a QB who did you want to throw back? Not to mention that I find it amusing that a guy who "stockpiles" QB is getting flack for not taking one? RR is obviously comfortable with Dawkins and Randall backing up Anu.

As far as RB's go Bradford is rated a 3* recruit by scout and was personally recruited by our RB's coach. Curious as to what else some of you wanted in regards to a RB? Not to mention that everything I've seen and read in regards to Darick Holmes says he will get a lot of carries out of the backfield. Keith Smith (former UA standout) is his OC and says he's "lightning in a bottle and impossible to tackle". Newberry Park HS also runs the exact same offense that Arizona runs. Scheer said yesterday that he thinks by the time Holmes leaves Arizona that the local schools in LA will regret that they let him leave SoCal. But what do they know, let's continue to bitch about this class.
You make some valid arguments, but go way over the top at times. I think we have reason to have faith in the players offered early who filled up the class regardless of their star rating - that seems to be the way he rolls and has certainly been quite successful with that approach. That does not mean this class is not without holes, or at least a MAJOR one.

The one point that I do not buy for a second is that Rich Rod did not want a QB in this class. Did he not offer any? And funny that you mention it, but especially from a guy who "collects QB's", because (as he says) he needs 7 or 8 so he can find 2 who can play. Right now we have 2; I do not use that term loosely enough to include Randall in that category; he is a 4th year junior that is what he is - and it is NOT a Quarterback.

Maybe Dawkins is as terrific as "UA fan site reports", and if both he and Anu are healthy we should be okay; We get hit with a couple of injuries, and we're toast. To imply that Solomon is a future superstar is awfully optimistic. He looked really good at times and downright awful in others - and the trend was not sloping in the right direction. As you have posted elsewhere - which I agree with - Rich Rod will displace a starter with a younger kid if the underclassman earns it. He's done it before, even at QB.

As for Holmes... He might be fantastic and I hope he is. But I am going to bank on the endorsement from his HS coach as much as I will accept character testimony from a mom whose only son is being sentenced. Or Rosborough's declaration that Ricky Anderson was the next Shane Battier coming off his RS year.

I guess you and Newport balance each other out...

My point with the QB's was he did offer some guys but if he wasn't going to get the guy he wanted then he wasn't going to settle and why would he? Not to mention that we had some glaring issues on the defensive side of the ball and along the OL which we covered.

As for Anu, he threw for close to 3800 yards and 28 TDs and we went 10-2 during the regular season including a win at Autzen. He didn't have a sprain at the end of the season it was an issue with his arch that made it extremely difficult to push off of. Dude was in a boot immediately after every game for the last 6 weeks of the season. He gutted out because he has that desire to win and as RR pointed out - they really didn't know early on the severity of the injury because Anu sucked it up. If both anu and dawkins get hurt you would see randall and we would run option all game long. Do we win every game with that? I doubt it but we wouldn't be as bad as you think? All I can tell you is Randall is killer in running the option and he proved it in practice time and time again. Really dumbfounded that RR didn't bust it out in some crucial 3rd down and goal line situations but I get why he doesn't especially with a frosh QB that you want to learn how to do things and you do that by leaving him out there in those situations.

As for Holmes, his coach is Keith Smith so why would he pump a kid up who is coming to his alma mater? A kid who is going from a HS that runs the exact same offense as the college he chose. They run the exact same offense. Granted it's a different speed and a different level but I think the point is well taken in regards to his talent level and the reviews from a coach who played at a pretty high level when he was here. Keith Smith would've killed it in RR's offense.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:30 am

Newportcat wrote:
Puerco wrote:I gave it a 10, just to be a dick and because I'm sick of 17 Newportcat threads on how disappointing this class is. Hopefully that invalidates this whole stupid, f_cking poll.
Ok, thank you. I felt setting up a poll to gauge what people think was a pretty valid and smart thing to do. I voted it a 5, put my reasons down and wanted to allow others to do the same. Appreciate you being a dick thank you, enjoy your day puerco which is apparently spanish for douchebag

In isolation it would have been fine. In combination with every other post on the football board being tainted by your Chicken Little impression it's not fine. We get it. You are disappointed with this recruiting class. Now stop moaning.

For the record, I find this class a little disappointing star-wise as well, but it is not the end of the world for this program. The talent level must increase, and it has been over the past few classes. This class is either going to continue that trend if the coaches' evaluations are correct, or it will not. Either way, it is one single class, and programs are defined by more than that, so please, just let go.

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:55 am

Puerco wrote:
Newportcat wrote:
Puerco wrote:I gave it a 10, just to be a dick and because I'm sick of 17 Newportcat threads on how disappointing this class is. Hopefully that invalidates this whole stupid, f_cking poll.
Ok, thank you. I felt setting up a poll to gauge what people think was a pretty valid and smart thing to do. I voted it a 5, put my reasons down and wanted to allow others to do the same. Appreciate you being a dick thank you, enjoy your day puerco which is apparently spanish for douchebag
In isolation it would have been fine. In combination with every other post on the football board being tainted by your Chicken Little impression it's not fine. We get it. You are disappointed with this recruiting class. Now stop moaning.

For the record, I find this class a little disappointing star-wise as well, but it is not the end of the world for this program. The talent level must increase, and it has been over the past few classes. This class is either going to continue that trend if the coaches' evaluations are correct, or it will not. Either way, it is one single class, and programs are defined by more than that, so please, just let go.

Puerco you are right in that I am disappointed but I guess I find it easier to moan on a Arizona message board then to my wife who could care less. I also agree one single class won't hurt you but just frustrated and more frustrated with some of the homer fans who feel the opposite of me and many others so feel the need to back up my position. But again no need to keep harping on this class as it is what it is

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:03 am

I hate the star system and think it's a complete joke of a system and couldn't be any more flawed. I'm only pointing it out so the ladies on the board can get the sand out of their vags. Case in point is what RR did at WVU for 3 straight years. It wasn't till his last class that they ranked it in the top 25 (#18). Was it because he was embarrassing the recruiting sites for 3 straight years with 11 wins each season off of classes that they ranked in the 40's and 50's? His best recruiting class is ranked 18th and he goes to UM. What did Bill Stewart do with that recruiting class? 9-4 for 3 straight years.[/quote]

These are my final posts on the 2015 recruiting class

Rankings do matter

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... ngs-matter

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... l/21641769

http://www.dawgsports.com/2015/2/6/7994 ... s-accuracy

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:27 am

Dcazcats

There is a forum called uasports.net

I think you would like it there as they would appreciate your optimism. I was glad when I found the old goazcats site here because to me posters were way more reasonable regarding Arizona football.

I would go through some of your responses but it would be a giant waste of time since we Cleary do not agree on things. If you don't think we need an indoor facility that is just so dumb it makes me hurt inside. I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.

My sense is you are some how connected to the program. I am not sure with this staff but I know previous staffs monitor these boards frequently and will sometimes have people post for them or team managers etc will post. Crazy but true as I knew Mackovics son while in school and he would post on goazcats to back up his dad...sorry for even bringing that man up.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:33 am

Newportcat wrote:Dcazcats

There is a forum called uasports.net

I think you would like it there as they would appreciate your optimism. I was glad when I found the old goazcats site here because to me posters were way more reasonable regarding Arizona football.

I would go through some of your responses but it would be a giant waste of time since we Cleary do not agree on things. If you don't think we need an indoor facility that is just so dumb it makes me hurt inside. I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.

My sense is you are some how connected to the program. I am not sure with this staff but I know previous staffs monitor these boards frequently and will sometimes have people post for them or team managers etc will post. Crazy but true as I knew Mackovics son while in school and he would post on goazcats to back up his dad...sorry for even bringing that man up.

So I take it from your response that you haven't seen the practice facility? Let me ask you this - do you honestly think that we would spend $78 million on a north end zone expansion just to have a crappy practice facility? Exactly. We built a turf field in front of the building because a natural grass field wouldn't look good in the winter, but we didn't spend the money to have a top notch practice facility? Good one. Look, if you don't have an answer then just say so - better to say you didn't know then to make ignorant statements like you continue to make.

As for the indoor facility, RR has said publicly that it's not a priority as he loves the facility that they have. He has said that the only time it becomes an issue is during the monsoon season but with the turf field inside the stadium it's not that big of a deal. Again, I understand that it doesn't play into your reasoning as to why we aren't getting the recruits you want but it's the truth. If we needed, like really needed an indoor practice facility do you not think that it would've been included in the NEZ project?

I also love the ("I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.") comment as if it gives you some privilege of some sort and validates your complaints? You love to compare current Arizona football with past Arizona football even though there's nothing comparable. We've never had a coaching staff this good. We've never had an offense this good. We've never won 8-8-10 over a 3 year period. We've never had the talent level that we currently have and yet you seem to believe that it's same old Arizona?

If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it. You and dmjcat think that just because you post it makes it true? Why don't you dig up a quote from anybody with knowledge of our practice facility that says it's below average or that anybody associated with it is embarrassed by it? Find a quote from anybody that says recruits out of Louisiana are below par from recruits out of Cal or anywhere else? Find one and I'm more than happy to say I'm wrong and or what I have previously read and or heard was wrong. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking about but continue to push it as common knowledge.

I'm a poster on a message board and I have no problem when I'm wrong because nobody's perfect. But, if you're going to post BS then I or somebody else will call you on it. You're upset because what you're posting is nothing but an opinion on your part and backed up by nothing but your opinion and you try to justify it as it's always how Arizona has been. What a load of crap. I'm not going anywhere btw.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:39 am

Newportcat wrote:
These are my final posts on the 2015 recruiting class

Rankings do matter

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... ngs-matter

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... l/21641769

http://www.dawgsports.com/2015/2/6/7994 ... s-accuracy

It still doesn't change what RR did at WVU and what he's done thus far at Arizona. This year and next year will tell a lot about sustainability of 10 plus wins and challenging for the South and Pac 12 championship every year. If he hadn't done it already at WVU then I would buy into it but he's already done it once and it proving it again - why is that so hard for you to appreciate as an Arizona fan? Because it doesn't fit you argument?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:40 pm

I know Newport id good hearted and only wants the cats to reach the ultimate prize..we sat together at the Maui Classic in 05 (sold you an extra I had I think)

I used to pound the boards about our practice facility when we would use Salpointe HS but I have never heard RR say a negative thing about Sancet. I would think he has had candid conversations with GB about what he needs and this topic of an enclosed facility has not been on the radar as far as I know.

He is the best package of coaching and recruiting we have ever had. No where in our history have we won 26 games in 3 years. I do think next year is very important for in stateerecruiting as ASSU is poised for another 10 win season and we need at least 9 (with a tough schedule road wise) o continue momentum.

Who wouldn't want more stars but man i love those Louisiana kids. We have not had many of them but I like getting guys in different areas of the country. I do take heed to what Rick Nuihisal said about taking guys outside the conference footprint though. He said ypu better know they will contribute because they are taking a spot from a kid in the footprint that might beat you at another school. Still, I like it.

Let's. See what happens this year with the early signing period and also who we are looking at. AFTER a 10 win season and a south title if we don't get more juice then I might wonder a little but right now it's bear down RR

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:20 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Dcazcats

There is a forum called uasports.net

I think you would like it there as they would appreciate your optimism. I was glad when I found the old goazcats site here because to me posters were way more reasonable regarding Arizona football.

I would go through some of your responses but it would be a giant waste of time since we Cleary do not agree on things. If you don't think we need an indoor facility that is just so dumb it makes me hurt inside. I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.

My sense is you are some how connected to the program. I am not sure with this staff but I know previous staffs monitor these boards frequently and will sometimes have people post for them or team managers etc will post. Crazy but true as I knew Mackovics son while in school and he would post on goazcats to back up his dad...sorry for even bringing that man up.
So I take it from your response that you haven't seen the practice facility? Let me ask you this - do you honestly think that we would spend $78 million on a north end zone expansion just to have a crappy practice facility? Exactly. We built a turf field in front of the building because a natural grass field wouldn't look good in the winter, but we didn't spend the money to have a top notch practice facility? Good one. Look, if you don't have an answer then just say so - better to say you didn't know then to make ignorant statements like you continue to make.

As for the indoor facility, RR has said publicly that it's not a priority as he loves the facility that they have. He has said that the only time it becomes an issue is during the monsoon season but with the turf field inside the stadium it's not that big of a deal. Again, I understand that it doesn't play into your reasoning as to why we aren't getting the recruits you want but it's the truth. If we needed, like really needed an indoor practice facility do you not think that it would've been included in the NEZ project?

I also love the ("I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.") comment as if it gives you some privilege of some sort and validates your complaints? You love to compare current Arizona football with past Arizona football even though there's nothing comparable. We've never had a coaching staff this good. We've never had an offense this good. We've never won 8-8-10 over a 3 year period. We've never had the talent level that we currently have and yet you seem to believe that it's same old Arizona?

If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it. You and dmjcat think that just because you post it makes it true? Why don't you dig up a quote from anybody with knowledge of our practice facility that says it's below average or that anybody associated with it is embarrassed by it? Find a quote from anybody that says recruits out of Louisiana are below par from recruits out of Cal or anywhere else? Find one and I'm more than happy to say I'm wrong and or what I have previously read and or heard was wrong. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking about but continue to push it as common knowledge.

I'm a poster on a message board and I have no problem when I'm wrong because nobody's perfect. But, if you're going to post BS then I or somebody else will call you on it. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking on your part and backed up by nothing but your opinion and you try to justify it as it's always how Arizona has been. What a load of crap. I'm not going anywhere btw.

Wow, are you off your meds again DC???

Lets See:

"If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it" - Perhaps you should take your own advice and put Newport on ignore??

"Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking" And you do???

Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking on your part and backed up by nothing but
your opinion And your posts are not opinions??

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:57 pm

Give it a rest DMJ. DC proved you wrong all season long or maybe you just proved yourself inaccurate over and over. Some fans like you and others can only see things where they minimize others which is more of an indictment of there own pathetic existence.

I am sure you will have us at 6-6 next year and if we should stumble will be here to gloat in the I told you so mode you so enjoy

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:18 pm

azcat49 wrote:Give it a rest DMJ. DC proved you wrong all season long or maybe you just proved yourself inaccurate over and over. Some fans like you and others can only see things where they minimize others which is more of an indictment of there own pathetic existence.

I am sure you will have us at 6-6 next year and if we should stumble will be here to gloat in the I told you so mode you so enjoy

I suggest you "Give it a rest". DC has no right (or anyone else for that matter) to be telling people to "STFU". If he wants to behave like a spoiled 5 year old I suggest he do it somewhere else.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:42 pm

dmjcat wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Dcazcats

There is a forum called uasports.net

I think you would like it there as they would appreciate your optimism. I was glad when I found the old goazcats site here because to me posters were way more reasonable regarding Arizona football.

I would go through some of your responses but it would be a giant waste of time since we Cleary do not agree on things. If you don't think we need an indoor facility that is just so dumb it makes me hurt inside. I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.

My sense is you are some how connected to the program. I am not sure with this staff but I know previous staffs monitor these boards frequently and will sometimes have people post for them or team managers etc will post. Crazy but true as I knew Mackovics son while in school and he would post on goazcats to back up his dad...sorry for even bringing that man up.
So I take it from your response that you haven't seen the practice facility? Let me ask you this - do you honestly think that we would spend $78 million on a north end zone expansion just to have a crappy practice facility? Exactly. We built a turf field in front of the building because a natural grass field wouldn't look good in the winter, but we didn't spend the money to have a top notch practice facility? Good one. Look, if you don't have an answer then just say so - better to say you didn't know then to make ignorant statements like you continue to make.

As for the indoor facility, RR has said publicly that it's not a priority as he loves the facility that they have. He has said that the only time it becomes an issue is during the monsoon season but with the turf field inside the stadium it's not that big of a deal. Again, I understand that it doesn't play into your reasoning as to why we aren't getting the recruits you want but it's the truth. If we needed, like really needed an indoor practice facility do you not think that it would've been included in the NEZ project?

I also love the ("I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.") comment as if it gives you some privilege of some sort and validates your complaints? You love to compare current Arizona football with past Arizona football even though there's nothing comparable. We've never had a coaching staff this good. We've never had an offense this good. We've never won 8-8-10 over a 3 year period. We've never had the talent level that we currently have and yet you seem to believe that it's same old Arizona?

If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it. You and dmjcat think that just because you post it makes it true? Why don't you dig up a quote from anybody with knowledge of our practice facility that says it's below average or that anybody associated with it is embarrassed by it? Find a quote from anybody that says recruits out of Louisiana are below par from recruits out of Cal or anywhere else? Find one and I'm more than happy to say I'm wrong and or what I have previously read and or heard was wrong. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking about but continue to push it as common knowledge.

I'm a poster on a message board and I have no problem when I'm wrong because nobody's perfect. But, if you're going to post BS then I or somebody else will call you on it. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking on your part and backed up by nothing but your opinion and you try to justify it as it's always how Arizona has been. What a load of crap. I'm not going anywhere btw.
Wow, are you off your meds again DC???

Lets See:

"If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it" - Perhaps you should take your own advice and put Newport on ignore??

"Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking" And you do???

Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking on your part and backed up by nothing but
your opinion And your posts are not opinions??

The next time you post anything factual or has any substance at all will be the first time. You and Newport answer posts with crap like above because you have nothing else. If you think my posts are off base then bring something that says I'm wrong. All you and Newport Cat can do is bitch. We have 8 4* guys that will probably play next year - what part of that is opinion? RR has won 8-8-10 and won the toughest divison in the country - what part of that is opinion? Which is better than any coach we've ever had - what part of that is opinion? RR loves our practice facility and has said so numerous times - what part of that is opinion? RR had 3 classes at WVU that were ranked in the 40's and 50's yet he won 11 games 3 straight year - what part of that is opinion?

We brought in the best OT, OG and DT ranked in the state according to Scout. That's not my opinion either. You and Newport have a problem with information that goes away from what "your glass is half empty, we're lucky to win 7 games, we suck at recruiting and our facilities suck as well" mantra. That's your problem not mine.

You want to have a QB discussion I'm all ears as everything I discussed with Harvey Spectre was mostly opinion on my part with the exception of Anu's stats which are what they are and not opinion on my part. And what Randall did in practice running the option, that wasn't my opinion either as it actually did happen.

You guys can post whatever you want and you obviously do but don't get your panties in a bunch if you can't counter when somebody disagrees with you. Bring something of substance and I, as well as every other poster on here will surely let you know if it's a good post or not. That's how message boards work. Harvey Spectre can say we will suck if Randall is our QB and I can respect that post because he may be right? He can think we should've taken another QB and I can post why take one if it's not the guy you want? That's my opinion. Hope that helps you and Newport out in future posts.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:49 pm

dmjcat wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Give it a rest DMJ. DC proved you wrong all season long or maybe you just proved yourself inaccurate over and over. Some fans like you and others can only see things where they minimize others which is more of an indictment of there own pathetic existence.

I am sure you will have us at 6-6 next year and if we should stumble will be here to gloat in the I told you so mode you so enjoy
I suggest you "Give it a rest". DC has no right (or anyone else for that matter) to be telling people to "STFU". If he wants to behave like a spoiled 5 year old I suggest he do it somewhere else.

Really? Did you bother to read the context in which I said it? Newport said I should go to another site since I can't agree with him.

Here's the context - Dcazcats

There is a forum called uasports.net

I think you would like it there as they would appreciate your optimism. I was glad when I found the old goazcats site here because to me posters were way more reasonable regarding Arizona football.

I would go through some of your responses but it would be a giant waste of time since we Cleary do not agree on things

The best was the bolded part above which is why I said what I said. Don't tell me to go to another site if you can't respond to a post that you don't agree with? Have some stones to disagree otherwise you should move on or exactly what I said previously. You guys like to bitch but you have nothing in response when somebody says something you disagree with. Specifically when it's factual and not opinion.

Maybe you and Newport should form your own board so you both can agree on how we suck, our recruiting sucks, our facilities suck, why don't we have an indoor facility? Why do we recruit Louisiana? Oh, and don't forget to talk about why we keep beating Utah and how on earth did we beat Wazzu this past season?

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:37 pm

Oh, I read quite well. Unfortunately, you have a comprehension problem (amongst other "issues")

NewportCat just posted the obvious in a post about our most recent recruiting class......it stunk. There are plenty of metrics (Scout/Rival/ESPN rankings) that support that FACT but you (as always) attacked him (as you do anyone that differs with your "The UA football sky is always blue") distorted view of reality.

And by the way, his suggestion that you move over to uasports.net was spot on. You would actually fit in quite well over there and would probably be much happier.

And I changed my signature today in your honor!!

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:27 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Dcazcats

There is a forum called uasports.net

I think you would like it there as they would appreciate your optimism. I was glad when I found the old goazcats site here because to me posters were way more reasonable regarding Arizona football.

I would go through some of your responses but it would be a giant waste of time since we Cleary do not agree on things. If you don't think we need an indoor facility that is just so dumb it makes me hurt inside. I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.

My sense is you are some how connected to the program. I am not sure with this staff but I know previous staffs monitor these boards frequently and will sometimes have people post for them or team managers etc will post. Crazy but true as I knew Mackovics son while in school and he would post on goazcats to back up his dad...sorry for even bringing that man up.
So I take it from your response that you haven't seen the practice facility? Let me ask you this - do you honestly think that we would spend $78 million on a north end zone expansion just to have a crappy practice facility? Exactly. We built a turf field in front of the building because a natural grass field wouldn't look good in the winter, but we didn't spend the money to have a top notch practice facility? Good one. Look, if you don't have an answer then just say so - better to say you didn't know then to make ignorant statements like you continue to make.

As for the indoor facility, RR has said publicly that it's not a priority as he loves the facility that they have. He has said that the only time it becomes an issue is during the monsoon season but with the turf field inside the stadium it's not that big of a deal. Again, I understand that it doesn't play into your reasoning as to why we aren't getting the recruits you want but it's the truth. If we needed, like really needed an indoor practice facility do you not think that it would've been included in the NEZ project?

I also love the ("I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.") comment as if it gives you some privilege of some sort and validates your complaints? You love to compare current Arizona football with past Arizona football even though there's nothing comparable. We've never had a coaching staff this good. We've never had an offense this good. We've never won 8-8-10 over a 3 year period. We've never had the talent level that we currently have and yet you seem to believe that it's same old Arizona?

If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it. You and dmjcat think that just because you post it makes it true? Why don't you dig up a quote from anybody with knowledge of our practice facility that says it's below average or that anybody associated with it is embarrassed by it? Find a quote from anybody that says recruits out of Louisiana are below par from recruits out of Cal or anywhere else? Find one and I'm more than happy to say I'm wrong and or what I have previously read and or heard was wrong. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking about but continue to push it as common knowledge.

I'm a poster on a message board and I have no problem when I'm wrong because nobody's perfect. But, if you're going to post BS then I or somebody else will call you on it. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking on your part and backed up by nothing but your opinion and you try to justify it as it's always how Arizona has been. What a load of crap. I'm not going anywhere btw.
Wow, are you off your meds again DC???

Lets See:

"If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it" - Perhaps you should take your own advice and put Newport on ignore??

"Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking" And you do???

Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking on your part and backed up by nothing but
your opinion And your posts are not opinions??
The next time you post anything factual or has any substance at all will be the first time. You and Newport answer posts with crap like above because you have nothing else. If you think my posts are off base then bring something that says I'm wrong. All you and Newport Cat can do is bitch. We have 8 4* guys that will probably play next year - what part of that is opinion? RR has won 8-8-10 and won the toughest divison in the country - what part of that is opinion? Which is better than any coach we've ever had - what part of that is opinion? RR loves our practice facility and has said so numerous times - what part of that is opinion? RR had 3 classes at WVU that were ranked in the 40's and 50's yet he won 11 games 3 straight year - what part of that is opinion?

We brought in the best OT, OG and DT ranked in the state according to Scout. That's not my opinion either. You and Newport have a problem with information that goes away from what "your glass is half empty, we're lucky to win 7 games, we suck at recruiting and our facilities suck as well" mantra. That's your problem not mine.

You want to have a QB discussion I'm all ears as everything I discussed with Harvey Spectre was mostly opinion on my part with the exception of Anu's stats which are what they are and not opinion on my part. And what Randall did in practice running the option, that wasn't my opinion either as it actually did happen.

You guys can post whatever you want and you obviously do but don't get your panties in a bunch if you can't counter when somebody disagrees with you. Bring something of substance and I, as well as every other poster on here will surely let you know if it's a good post or not. That's how message boards work. Harvey Spectre can say we will suck if Randall is our QB and I can respect that post because he may be right? He can think we should've taken another QB and I can post why take one if it's not the guy you want? That's my opinion. Hope that helps you and Newport out in future posts.

Thats not saying very much.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:06 pm

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
dc4azcats wrote:
Newportcat wrote:Dcazcats

There is a forum called uasports.net

I think you would like it there as they would appreciate your optimism. I was glad when I found the old goazcats site here because to me posters were way more reasonable regarding Arizona football.

I would go through some of your responses but it would be a giant waste of time since we Cleary do not agree on things. If you don't think we need an indoor facility that is just so dumb it makes me hurt inside. I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.

My sense is you are some how connected to the program. I am not sure with this staff but I know previous staffs monitor these boards frequently and will sometimes have people post for them or team managers etc will post. Crazy but true as I knew Mackovics son while in school and he would post on goazcats to back up his dad...sorry for even bringing that man up.
So I take it from your response that you haven't seen the practice facility? Let me ask you this - do you honestly think that we would spend $78 million on a north end zone expansion just to have a crappy practice facility? Exactly. We built a turf field in front of the building because a natural grass field wouldn't look good in the winter, but we didn't spend the money to have a top notch practice facility? Good one. Look, if you don't have an answer then just say so - better to say you didn't know then to make ignorant statements like you continue to make.

As for the indoor facility, RR has said publicly that it's not a priority as he loves the facility that they have. He has said that the only time it becomes an issue is during the monsoon season but with the turf field inside the stadium it's not that big of a deal. Again, I understand that it doesn't play into your reasoning as to why we aren't getting the recruits you want but it's the truth. If we needed, like really needed an indoor practice facility do you not think that it would've been included in the NEZ project?

I also love the ("I love rich rod but I take a more half glass empty approach to Arizona football well because it's Arizona football. I have for years gotten excited about 2-3 star recruits who only prove to be 2-3 star recruits for a reason.") comment as if it gives you some privilege of some sort and validates your complaints? You love to compare current Arizona football with past Arizona football even though there's nothing comparable. We've never had a coaching staff this good. We've never had an offense this good. We've never won 8-8-10 over a 3 year period. We've never had the talent level that we currently have and yet you seem to believe that it's same old Arizona?

If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it. You and dmjcat think that just because you post it makes it true? Why don't you dig up a quote from anybody with knowledge of our practice facility that says it's below average or that anybody associated with it is embarrassed by it? Find a quote from anybody that says recruits out of Louisiana are below par from recruits out of Cal or anywhere else? Find one and I'm more than happy to say I'm wrong and or what I have previously read and or heard was wrong. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking about but continue to push it as common knowledge.

I'm a poster on a message board and I have no problem when I'm wrong because nobody's perfect. But, if you're going to post BS then I or somebody else will call you on it. Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking on your part and backed up by nothing but your opinion and you try to justify it as it's always how Arizona has been. What a load of crap. I'm not going anywhere btw.
Wow, are you off your meds again DC???

Lets See:

"If you don't like my posts then ignore me or post something that has some validity to it" - Perhaps you should take your own advice and put Newport on ignore??

"Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking" And you do???

Otherwise stfu as you don't know what the hell you're talking on your part and backed up by nothing but
your opinion And your posts are not opinions??
The next time you post anything factual or has any substance at all will be the first time. You and Newport answer posts with crap like above because you have nothing else. If you think my posts are off base then bring something that says I'm wrong. All you and Newport Cat can do is bitch. We have 8 4* guys that will probably play next year - what part of that is opinion? RR has won 8-8-10 and won the toughest divison in the country - what part of that is opinion? Which is better than any coach we've ever had - what part of that is opinion? RR loves our practice facility and has said so numerous times - what part of that is opinion? RR had 3 classes at WVU that were ranked in the 40's and 50's yet he won 11 games 3 straight year - what part of that is opinion?

We brought in the best OT, OG and DT ranked in the state according to Scout. That's not my opinion either. You and Newport have a problem with information that goes away from what "your glass is half empty, we're lucky to win 7 games, we suck at recruiting and our facilities suck as well" mantra. That's your problem not mine.

You want to have a QB discussion I'm all ears as everything I discussed with Harvey Spectre was mostly opinion on my part with the exception of Anu's stats which are what they are and not opinion on my part. And what Randall did in practice running the option, that wasn't my opinion either as it actually did happen.

You guys can post whatever you want and you obviously do but don't get your panties in a bunch if you can't counter when somebody disagrees with you. Bring something of substance and I, as well as every other poster on here will surely let you know if it's a good post or not. That's how message boards work. Harvey Spectre can say we will suck if Randall is our QB and I can respect that post because he may be right? He can think we should've taken another QB and I can post why take one if it's not the guy you want? That's my opinion. Hope that helps you and Newport out in future posts.

Thats not saying very much.

Since nobody has stepped on campus as yet? It's not. But that's true for any school isn't it?

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