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Which means joining the big 12 asapCardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:20 am I want whatever conference Arizona is in to have its games be able to be seen by as many people as possible and to be seen on the platforms people are most likely to seek out sports. Simple as that.
You can either be a petty bitch or get over it. Arizona needs ESPN for the very reason CardiacCats posted. Arizona does not need the Pac-12 if the Pac-12 is going to hold it back from accomplishing the goals that Cardiac mentioned.PHXCATS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:12 amNo UA games have ever been on espn+ and there won't be this year or nextCardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:44 amIt’s about expanding the fan base. We all know that if we were just trying to get the best deal for the diehard fans it would be having every game on Amazon. But how do you expand the interest in the team and the conference? By putting it where casual fans can encounter it organically in the streaming platform they go to for college basketball, college football, NBA, UFC, and so on.
You are just giving that absolute shit organization who fucked US more money and more credibility
Fuck espn.
If you want to target Boomers to watch one particular channel just run the programing in every phone booth in America.Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:38 amPeople of my generation (boomers) excel at channel surfing on TV, and stopping at interesting games even if they have no interest in either team.CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:20 am I want whatever conference Arizona is in to have its games be able to be seen by as many people as possible and to be seen on the platforms people are most likely to seek out sports. Simple as that.
And obviously, that's the success of ESPN with viewership numbers. With having to stream games, that really requires effort to watch a game.
Pac 12 Network is an abyss, because you have to be a customer of a particular cable provider to get it. ESPN+ doesn't have that problem. Anybody can subscribe to it and keep whatever cable provider they prefer. You're arguing Apples vs Hand Grenades and are once again providing a red herring argument.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:08 pm In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.
With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?
At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.
And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.
You do realize your description of why ESPN+ is better than the current PAC12 Network arrangement also fits for Amazon, don't you? You can still keep your current cable and subscribe to Amazon to watch games.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:56 amPac 12 Network is an abyss, because you have to be a customer of a particular cable provider to get it. ESPN+ doesn't have that problem. Anybody can subscribe to it and keep whatever cable provider they prefer. You're arguing Apples vs Hand Grenades and are once again providing a red herring argument.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:08 pm In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.
With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?
At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.
And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.
With Amazon we wouldn't get much more money, so what's the benefit? Why sell your soul for a buck more? It's idiotic. You're right though signing a contract with Amazon until 2030 is a long enough experiment to kill the Arizona brand altogether as Tommy Lloyd jumps back to Gonzaga after it joins the Big 12, because they'll actually be on TV and we won't. Boy I can't wait, this is going to be such a great deal for Arizona. Woooo.
Yes, the only thing that matters is the death of the Pac 12 Network in its current state, which is guaranteed. As far as Tier 3 games go I don't care if it's Amazon or ESPN+, it's Tier 3 and it'll be a better situation than our current Tier 3. Where you completely lose the picture is the Tier 1 and Tier 2 games being on Amazon. ESPN+ would not be where you can see our Tier 1 or 2 games, those would be reserved for Arizona vs FCS football opponent or Arizona vs Cal basketball. The problem we're staring right in the face is our bigger games being put on Amazon or ESPN late night only. That's the issue that you are ignoring.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:15 amYou do realize your description of why ESPN+ is better than the current PAC12 Network arrangement also fits for Amazon, don't you? You can still keep your current cable and subscribe to Amazon to watch games.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:56 amPac 12 Network is an abyss, because you have to be a customer of a particular cable provider to get it. ESPN+ doesn't have that problem. Anybody can subscribe to it and keep whatever cable provider they prefer. You're arguing Apples vs Hand Grenades and are once again providing a red herring argument.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:08 pm In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.
With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?
At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.
And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.
With Amazon we wouldn't get much more money, so what's the benefit? Why sell your soul for a buck more? It's idiotic. You're right though signing a contract with Amazon until 2030 is a long enough experiment to kill the Arizona brand altogether as Tommy Lloyd jumps back to Gonzaga after it joins the Big 12, because they'll actually be on TV and we won't. Boy I can't wait, this is going to be such a great deal for Arizona. Woooo.
And while ESPN is the worldwide leader in sports, the question is, how much better is 5th choice on ESPN+ versus being top choice on Amazon Prime? And make no mistake, ESPN+ games aren't going to get much love from the network. ESPN will promote games on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU before they mention all the other also-ran games you can stream. In contrast, on Amazon, they will want to make their investment in college sports work, and will promote the heck out of the PAC. Is it truly better to be 5th in line in a large kingdom, or be king in a smaller one?
Time will tell. And 5 years is a short time, especially when schools announce they are leaving conferences usually 18 to 24 months before contracts end, and conferences negotiate new contracts in a similar time window. If Amazon totally flops, by 2028, the rumors will start about the end of the PAC. And we are likely in the BIG 12 by 2031. If Amazon is successful, we'd have made more money over 5 years, and be in an even better position for the next round of negotiations.
Let's see how many Tier 1 games are on Amazon before we knock it. Most Tier 1 games will still be on ESPN, while Fox is reportedly not 100% out either.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:31 amYes, the only thing that matters is the death of the Pac 12 Network in its current state, which is guaranteed. As far as Tier 3 games go I don't care if it's Amazon or ESPN+, it's Tier 3 and it'll be a better situation than our current Tier 3. Where you completely lose the picture is the Tier 1 and Tier 2 games being on Amazon. ESPN+ would not be where you can see our Tier 1 or 2 games, those would be reserved for Arizona vs FCS football opponent or Arizona vs Cal basketball. The problem we're staring right in the face is our bigger games being put on Amazon or ESPN late night only. That's the issue that you are ignoring.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:15 amYou do realize your description of why ESPN+ is better than the current PAC12 Network arrangement also fits for Amazon, don't you? You can still keep your current cable and subscribe to Amazon to watch games.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:56 amPac 12 Network is an abyss, because you have to be a customer of a particular cable provider to get it. ESPN+ doesn't have that problem. Anybody can subscribe to it and keep whatever cable provider they prefer. You're arguing Apples vs Hand Grenades and are once again providing a red herring argument.AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:08 pm In a perfect world, the B1G gives us a call. Or SC and UCLA have a change of heart, return, and ESPN plus FIX offers the PAC schools $50 million a year. But that's not happening.
With our current situation, our Tier 3 games are in the abyss known as the PAC 12 Network. Go BIG 12, we end up on the abyss known as ESPN+ along with MLS, NHL, and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about. Stay in the PAC, we take a risk with Amazon. Is that really worse than the PAC 12 Network or ESPN+?
At least with Amazon, we'll get more money. And with risk comes potential reward. Amazon gets 13 million or more viewers on TNF. Guess what they are gong to promo the hell out of during this broadcast? Saturday PAC football. FOX promoted our basketball game against Indiana for two weeks during World Cup games. Even if it really didn't attract more viewers, the branding of Arizona Basketball as big time is worth a lot.
And if Amazon PAC football flops? Our contract will likely run out through 2030. A long enough experiment to see if it works, but not too long to handcuff us.
With Amazon we wouldn't get much more money, so what's the benefit? Why sell your soul for a buck more? It's idiotic. You're right though signing a contract with Amazon until 2030 is a long enough experiment to kill the Arizona brand altogether as Tommy Lloyd jumps back to Gonzaga after it joins the Big 12, because they'll actually be on TV and we won't. Boy I can't wait, this is going to be such a great deal for Arizona. Woooo.
And while ESPN is the worldwide leader in sports, the question is, how much better is 5th choice on ESPN+ versus being top choice on Amazon Prime? And make no mistake, ESPN+ games aren't going to get much love from the network. ESPN will promote games on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU before they mention all the other also-ran games you can stream. In contrast, on Amazon, they will want to make their investment in college sports work, and will promote the heck out of the PAC. Is it truly better to be 5th in line in a large kingdom, or be king in a smaller one?
Time will tell. And 5 years is a short time, especially when schools announce they are leaving conferences usually 18 to 24 months before contracts end, and conferences negotiate new contracts in a similar time window. If Amazon totally flops, by 2028, the rumors will start about the end of the PAC. And we are likely in the BIG 12 by 2031. If Amazon is successful, we'd have made more money over 5 years, and be in an even better position for the next round of negotiations.
Amazon for Tier 1 or 2 would be great for Arizona fans. Amazon though would be atrocious for Arizona's brand. You're an idiot if you think differently.
