Sumlin’s future - poll question

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:39 am

Dave Heeke is so bad at his job.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:54 am

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:27 am

Stepping on this rake and having the handle smash the ever-lovin’ shit out of my nuts sure is painful but I’d like to announce that I plan on stepping on that same fucking rake a number of times next Fall as well.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:37 am

Has anyone emailed Heeke regarding the coaching situation? I wonder if he would reply and explain his plan.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:38 am

Repeatedly and no he does not answer. At least to me

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:41 am

I imagine his public email address is opened by interns who do not forward such emails on to Heeke's real email.

HEEKE, DAVID appointed personnel
UofAAD@arizona.edu" target="_blank // 520-621-4622
Administration and Athletics
Vice President and Director of Athletics
PO Box 210096
Building: McKale Memorial Center (#96)
Room #: 233

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:44 am

That’s the one I use Merk

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:45 am

Irish27 wrote:Has anyone emailed Heeke regarding the coaching situation? I wonder if he would reply and explain his plan.

It has to be player development and recruiting I would assume

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:53 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Dave Heeke is so bad at his job.

So glad we extended him and gave him a raise for reasons no one can understand.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:58 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Dave Heeke is so bad at his job.

Someone posted this on one of the UA football FB groups regarding Heeke did very little vetting:

https://www.si.com/college/2015/12/17/k ... VG0-Ytju-4" target="_blank

IrishAzCat · Post by **IrishAzCat** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:26 am

If wins were based on how well the head coach chews gum, we would be National Champions! Unless, of course, if Pete Carroll returns to college football...

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:57 pm

OSUCat wrote:
prh wrote:
OSUCat wrote:That football scoop story doesn’t make sense unless Heeke is extremely bad at his job. If weeks ago Heeke knew there wasn’t any good choices and wouldn’t make a move, he should have voiced his support for sumlin right away. Now, If Sumlin isn’t fired, the players, recruits, potential DC, and fans know next year is a waste with Sumlin being fired mid season.

Also, why would Heeke get a raise if all he did was find that there are no choices?
He's already proven that over and over again

Your right.....

Somehow Missouri, USF and others have decided that firing their poorly performing coaches was a viable move despite the supposed lack of candidates.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:06 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:
OSUCat wrote:
prh wrote:
OSUCat wrote:That football scoop story doesn’t make sense unless Heeke is extremely bad at his job. If weeks ago Heeke knew there wasn’t any good choices and wouldn’t make a move, he should have voiced his support for sumlin right away. Now, If Sumlin isn’t fired, the players, recruits, potential DC, and fans know next year is a waste with Sumlin being fired mid season.

Also, why would Heeke get a raise if all he did was find that there are no choices?
He's already proven that over and over again

Your right.....

Somehow Missouri, USF and others have decided that firing their poorly performing coaches was a viable move despite the supposed lack of candidates.

Maybe Heeke is scared of competing with those blue bloods.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:58 pm

Ole Miss coach out after 3 seasons. Another blue blood we would have to compete with.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:27 pm

I keep saying bring RR back as OC and Stoops back as DC and label the year as “the gang is all together”

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:30 pm

azcat49 wrote:I keep saying bring RR back as OC and Stoops back as DC and label the year as “the gang is all together”

Not sure we can afford the bar tab.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:29 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I keep saying bring RR back as OC and Stoops back as DC and label the year as “the gang is all together”

Not sure we can afford the bar tab.

Embarrassed to admit that took me half a second. Thought it was a comment on salaries. Can’t take me anywhere.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:51 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I keep saying bring RR back as OC and Stoops back as DC and label the year as “the gang is all together”

Not sure we can afford the bar tab.

3 more Hooter’s locations suddenly open up.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:57 pm

I thought Sullivan's was the place to be

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:31 am

I am not saying Heeke has been good as AD. But you have to look for those things beyond what Scheer says and puts out there.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:50 am

I dunno letting your QB tweet storm you out of choosing the HC you think is best for the program is pretty inept if you ask me.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:38 am

Someone posted this on FB, Sumlin #2 on the hot seat http://coacheshotseat.com/?fbclid=IwAR0 ... ex8tKHhsmI" target="_blank

CalStateTempe wrote:I dunno letting your QB tweet storm you out of choosing the HC you think is best for the program is pretty inept if you ask me.

Not only was Tate partially responsible for the UA not getting Ken N, apparently he was also instrumental in having Sumlin keep the worst DC in UA history. No idea how Tate even knew Yates all that well.

Never ever let your players pick their coaches.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:00 am

Since pretty much all of the hottest hot seat coaches have already been fired, it basically seems that Sumlin may have the hottest seat in America going into 2020.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:10 am

Merkin wrote:Someone posted this on FB, Sumlin #2 on the hot seat http://coacheshotseat.com/?fbclid=IwAR0 ... ex8tKHhsmI" target="_blank

CalStateTempe wrote:I dunno letting your QB tweet storm you out of choosing the HC you think is best for the program is pretty inept if you ask me.
Not only was Tate partially responsible for the UA not getting Ken N, apparently he was also instrumental in having Sumlin keep the worst DC in UA history. No idea how Tate even knew Yates all that well.

Never ever let your players pick their coaches.

Unless the AD implements a policy that no one can use social media, what was Heeke supposed to do with Tate and twitter?

Heeke is not good and Larry Scott is the absolute worst, but blaming them for things that are not their fault do not help.

Also, TATE HAD ZERO TO DO WITH THE HIRING OF SUMLIN OVER KEN N. Tate thinks he does but he had zero to do with it. Ken N was a smoke screen to get more money from boosters. And it was the start of Scheer getting bad info from his sources. This is not an attack on Scheer but he has been off on multiple things recently. There are people on twitter who have access to Heeke. Those are other sources to follow to piece together the true story.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:19 am

Heeke didn't have to meet with Tate, but he did.

Good article here on the Tate/Yates/Niumatalolo connection.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... s-football" target="_blank

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:29 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Merkin wrote:Someone posted this on FB, Sumlin #2 on the hot seat http://coacheshotseat.com/?fbclid=IwAR0 ... ex8tKHhsmI" target="_blank

CalStateTempe wrote:I dunno letting your QB tweet storm you out of choosing the HC you think is best for the program is pretty inept if you ask me.
Not only was Tate partially responsible for the UA not getting Ken N, apparently he was also instrumental in having Sumlin keep the worst DC in UA history. No idea how Tate even knew Yates all that well.

Never ever let your players pick their coaches.
Unless the AD implements a policy that no one can use social media, what was Heeke supposed to do with Tate and twitter?

Heeke is not good and Larry Scott is the absolute worst, but blaming them for things that are not their fault do not help.

Also, TATE HAD ZERO TO DO WITH THE HIRING OF SUMLIN OVER KEN N. Tate thinks he does but he had zero to do with it. Ken N was a smoke screen to get more money from boosters. And it was the start of Scheer getting bad info from his sources. This is not an attack on Scheer but he has been off on multiple things recently. There are people on twitter who have access to Heeke. Those are other sources to follow to piece together the true story.

If true, then just more reason to not let Heeke conduct the next search.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:36 am

Merkin wrote:Heeke didn't have to meet with Tate, but he did.

Good article here on the Tate/Yates/Niumatalolo connection.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... s-football" target="_blank

Robbins is the reason why that meeting took place

Again, Tate had NOTHING to do with the hiring process despite Tate thinking he did

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:41 am

I’d love to believe Machina, except for that whole I don’t believe Machina for really good reasons thing.

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:18 am

Merkin wrote:Heeke didn't have to meet with Tate, but he did.

Good article here on the Tate/Yates/Niumatalolo connection.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... s-football" target="_blank

Still wish we would have hired Niumatalolo over Slumlin. He wouldn't have used the Triple option here and would have adapted. He would have also been better in utilizing Tate's running ability (or the ability he used to have - that he through away). If we could get rid of Slumlin today, and we should, I would go after him again.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:26 am

MountainCat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Heeke didn't have to meet with Tate, but he did.

Good article here on the Tate/Yates/Niumatalolo connection.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... s-football" target="_blank
Still wish we would have hired Niumatalolo over Slumlin. He wouldn't have used the Triple option here and would have adapted. He would have also been better in utilizing Tate's running ability (or the ability he used to have - that he through away). If we could get rid of Slumlin today, and we should, I would go after him again.

Same here. The academies don't get too many elite athletes, and when you have very successful seasons doing so, you know they have a good possibly great coach. Watched Navy play Houston before he UA game. Navy really did a great job trying to make Houston guess quite a bit on defense, and many times guessed wrong.

If the Cats could get him, would try and get Joiner back in the QB fold. What a superb athlete. But I imagine they would have good use for Gunnell's arm, and smarts.

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:04 pm

Washington's Coach Peterson stepping down and leaving the Huskies - Surprise Surpise.

If only they would go after Slumlin for there new coach....

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:13 pm

MountainCat wrote:Washington's Coach Peterson stepping down and leaving the Huskies - Surprise Surpise.

If only they would go after Slumlin for there new coach....

https://247sports.com/college/washingto ... 139672734/" target="_blank

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:20 pm

Ohhh a smoke screen! Super secret squirrel double probation.

Heeke sucks at his job, what BJBJ said.

AD even more of a puss if he can’t tell a player to pound sand and negotiate with his boss about why a player meeting for a coaching hire is a bad idea.

But he’s not afraid to pound the bb program like a scared little boy at the thought of NCAA coming down, rather then protect the crown jewel like real ADs at top BB schools do.

God he sucks sooooo bad.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:37 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Ohhh a smoke screen! Super secret squirrel double probation.

Heeke sucks at his job, what BJBJ said.

AD even more of a puss if he can’t tell a player to pound sand and negotiate with his boss about why a player meeting for a coaching hire is a bad idea.

But he’s not afraid to pound the bb program like a scared little boy at the thought of NCAA coming down, rather then protect the crown jewel like real ADs at top BB schools do.

God he sucks sooooo bad.

So you do not take the advice of your lawyers?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:36 pm

In terms of Sumlin's future, I seriously wonder if next year might set a record for fan apathy entering the season. We have a poorly rated recruiting class and the returners don't exactly inspire hope.

We've been worse, but I'm not sure we've ever been more irrelevant. It feels like gearing up for an exhibition season to tick off a year until firing Sumlin is more financially viable. Is anyone excited?

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:45 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:In terms of Sumlin's future, I seriously wonder if next year might set a record for fan apathy entering the season. We have a poorly rated recruiting class and the returners don't exactly inspire hope.

We've been worse, but I'm not sure we've ever been more irrelevant. It feels like gearing up for an exhibition season to tick off a year until firing Sumlin is more financially viable. Is anyone excited?

The worst part of the whole thing... The buyout only drops 2.5 million... I thought it would at least be cut in half. Give Sumlin's agent an award

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:In terms of Sumlin's future, I seriously wonder if next year might set a record for fan apathy entering the season. We have a poorly rated recruiting class and the returners don't exactly inspire hope.

We've been worse, but I'm not sure we've ever been more irrelevant. It feels like gearing up for an exhibition season to tick off a year until firing Sumlin is more financially viable. Is anyone excited?

I think we all have the same thought. Announced attendance for the UA's last 2 home games were less than 37,000, with actual scanned tickets 10,000 less at least for Utah.

Lowest announced attendance last season was still over 40,000 and that was against Southern Utah.

http://www.wildcatuniverse.com/2017/11/ ... is-so-bad/" target="_blank

Arizona Average Home Football Attendance, 2004-2017
Year Avg Attendance Record Coach
2006 56,743 6-6 Stoops
2010 55,265 7-6 Stoops
2005 53,779 3-8 Stoops
2009 52,555 8-5 Stoops
2008 52,440 8-5 Stoops
2007 52,161 5-7 Stoops
2013 52,130 8-5 Rodriguez
2015 51,393 7-6 Rodriguez
2012 51,391 8-5 Rodriguez
2014 50,710 10-4 Rodriguez
2004 50,111 3-8 Stoops
2011 48,968 4-8 Stoops (fired)
2016 48,288 3-9 Rodriguez
2017 42,961 6-2 Rodriguez

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:51 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:In terms of Sumlin's future, I seriously wonder if next year might set a record for fan apathy entering the season. We have a poorly rated recruiting class and the returners don't exactly inspire hope.

We've been worse, but I'm not sure we've ever been more irrelevant. It feels like gearing up for an exhibition season to tick off a year until firing Sumlin is more financially viable. Is anyone excited?

Nope. Even in like 2004-2006 we still had good defenses and players fans followed. The only other period that probably had the similar level of apathy anytime in the last 50 years was like after the 2002 season.

I won't be surprised if attendance next year averages like 30k, and that's with the artificial inflation all athletic departments do

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:56 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:In terms of Sumlin's future, I seriously wonder if next year might set a record for fan apathy entering the season. We have a poorly rated recruiting class and the returners don't exactly inspire hope.

We've been worse, but I'm not sure we've ever been more irrelevant. It feels like gearing up for an exhibition season to tick off a year until firing Sumlin is more financially viable. Is anyone excited?
Nope. Even in like 2004-2006 we still had good defenses and players fans followed. The only other period that probably had the similar level of apathy anytime in the last 50 years was like after the 2002 season.

I won't be surprised if attendance next year averages like 30k, and that's with the artificial inflation all athletic departments do

Good time to tear down the west side of the stadium...

Will still only fill half what is left...

Can we afford to wait a year or two for Slumlin to turn things around - and still have a $5 million buyout? ...NOT... Just need to cut our losses now and move on.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:09 pm

Hear me out. Every Power 5 conference gets assigned a Group of 5 conference. Bottom two are relegated each year for the top. 2020 Mountain West champs here we come!

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:20 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:I won't be surprised if attendance next year averages like 30k, and that's with the artificial inflation all athletic departments do

About my guess too.

This year was the first one where I didn't turn on Sling TV until mid way through the season. Might not do it at all next season until the Red Blue game.

Costs the UA AD $300,000 to put on a football game at Arizona stadium.

Remember how pissed Lute was when he had to support the Mackovic era football program with basketball funds? Miller isn't going to be pleased either. UA BB has supported the non BB and FB sports for quite some time.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:28 pm

Yea next year will be atrocious and we'll still have machina on here ranting about how were bad fans for not showing up.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:28 pm

btfd16 wrote:Hear me out. Every Power 5 conference gets assigned a Group of 5 conference. Bottom two are relegated each year for the top. 2020 Mountain West champs here we come!

We wouldn't finish in the top 2 of the mountain west

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:47 pm

What defensive coordinator is going to come here with Sumlin as a lame duck?

My guess is Sumlin is somehow guaranteed 2 more years to help attract a coordinator

The end of Arizona football is near

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:51 pm

Alieberman wrote:What defensive coordinator is going to come here with Sumlin as a lame duck?

My guess is Sumlin is somehow guaranteed 2 more years to help attract a coordinator

The end of Arizona football is near

We're on the precipice of being Kansas or Rutgers or like 1980s Oregon State

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:57 pm

Alieberman wrote:What defensive coordinator is going to come here with Sumlin as a lame duck?

My guess is Sumlin is somehow guaranteed 2 more years to help attract a coordinator

The end of Arizona football is near

A DC who is confident and wants a chance to be the HC after Sumlin.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:58 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:Yea next year will be atrocious and we'll still have machina on here ranting about how were bad fans for not showing up.

Well I have become a meme with my shitposting[/img]

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:00 pm

Maybe Heeke wants to turn UA football program into a mercenary one where teams will pay UA to come and get beat down.

Looking at the CMU football schedule which was probably set up when Heeke was there, they traveled to Miami and Wisconsin, where Wisky beat them down pretty good but they did give Miami a good game.

Other than that, Central Michigan also has Eastern Michigan and Western Michigan on the schedule, along with teams like Bowling Green, Toledo, Albany and so on.

Why was Heeke ever hired?

They must have thought he was some sort of shining star.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:12 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:In terms of Sumlin's future, I seriously wonder if next year might set a record for fan apathy entering the season. We have a poorly rated recruiting class and the returners don't exactly inspire hope.

We've been worse, but I'm not sure we've ever been more irrelevant. It feels like gearing up for an exhibition season to tick off a year until firing Sumlin is more financially viable. Is anyone excited?
Nope. Even in like 2004-2006 we still had good defenses and players fans followed. The only other period that probably had the similar level of apathy anytime in the last 50 years was like after the 2002 season.

I won't be surprised if attendance next year averages like 30k, and that's with the artificial inflation all athletic departments do

I thought about the 02 era. I wonder if it isn't worse now because people aren't even mad any more. I think people.were frustrated with Mackovic. With Sumlin, they just don't care any more.

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