2020 Season Thread

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat May 23, 2020 12:02 pm

To much money not to.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat May 23, 2020 12:14 pm

azcat49 wrote:To much money not to.

True but it is also many other factors

Tradition
An escape for the fans
School and state and region pride
Getting back to normal
Players want to play
Players at virtually no risk (Wilner said the other day not one college aged person has died from the virus in the entire conference footprint)
Player’s families better protected by having players tested regularly

Money absolutely matters but it is by no means the only thing

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat May 23, 2020 12:27 pm

Lol sports and money over lives and safety. Gotta make sure that gambling addiction is satisfied too!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat May 23, 2020 12:33 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:Lol sports and money over lives and safety. Gotta make sure that gambling addiction is satisfied too!

You are so obsessed With me. So flattering.

Players are at minimal risk. The testing will help the players' families. There will be safety measures put in place if fans are allowed in. So why are you so concerned especially since you always say you don’t give a crap about sports and football anymore?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat May 23, 2020 12:36 pm

So what's the plan WHEN, not if, a player tests positive? Then several players test positive?

No one seems to talk about this in the reopening of these sports leagues. I remember when 1 player in the NBA tested positive... a few days later all sports were shut down.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat May 23, 2020 12:59 pm

Alieberman wrote:So what's the plan WHEN, not if, a player tests positive? Then several players test positive?

No one seems to talk about this in the reopening of these sports leagues. I remember when 1 player in the NBA tested positive... a few days later all sports were shut down.

They are isolated and quarantined for a few weeks. Pro sports will have different rules for this with the roster. Either more moved up and down with the minors or expanded rosters. This has been spoken about a lot nationally.

We know far more today than in March. Different decisions would be made based on what we know now.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat May 23, 2020 1:31 pm

Thread

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat May 23, 2020 1:39 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
azcat49 wrote:To much money not to.
True but it is also many other factors

Tradition
An escape for the fans
School and state and region pride
Getting back to normal
Players want to play
Players at virtually no risk (Wilner said the other day not one college aged person has died from the virus in the entire conference footprint)
Player’s families better protected by having players tested regularly

Money absolutely matters but it is by no means the only thing

While I agree to what you wrote as other underlying reasons, the economics of college sports and the deficits schools would run mandates a start to the season. Kids and families can decide to play or not to play.

Pro team owners stand to really lose if they don’t play. While they may be better equipped to handle a long layoff the lost value from appreciation or the lack there of has to motivate those owners to pressure to resume play.

Next would be the states and cities and the revenues and jobs lost. Bottom line is most of this is economically driven IMO

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat May 23, 2020 1:45 pm

azcat49 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azcat49 wrote:To much money not to.
True but it is also many other factors

Tradition
An escape for the fans
School and state and region pride
Getting back to normal
Players want to play
Players at virtually no risk (Wilner said the other day not one college aged person has died from the virus in the entire conference footprint)
Player’s families better protected by having players tested regularly

Money absolutely matters but it is by no means the only thing
While I agree to what you wrote as other underlying reasons, the economics of college sports and the deficits schools would run mandates a start to the season. Kids and families can decide to play or not to play.

Pro team owners stand to really lose if they don’t play. While they may be better equipped to handle a long layoff the lost value from appreciation or the lack there of has to motivate those owners to pressure to resume play.

Next would be the states and cities and the revenues and jobs lost. Bottom line is most of this is economically driven IMO

Well it certainly isn't driven by morality, science, compassion or intelligence.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat May 23, 2020 1:47 pm

PHXCATS wrote:They are isolated and quarantined for a few weeks. Pro sports will have different rules for this with the roster. Either more moved up and down with the minors or expanded rosters. This has been spoken about a lot nationally.

We know far more today than in March. Different decisions would be made based on what we know now.

But if one player gets it, chances are others will have it too, not to mention whatever team that person played against.

See the problem? I just don't see how a full season of any sport can be played like this.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat May 23, 2020 1:49 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Alieberman wrote:So what's the plan WHEN, not if, a player tests positive? Then several players test positive?

No one seems to talk about this in the reopening of these sports leagues. I remember when 1 player in the NBA tested positive... a few days later all sports were shut down.
They are isolated and quarantined for a few weeks. Pro sports will have different rules for this with the roster. Either more moved up and down with the minors or expanded rosters. This has been spoken about a lot nationally.

We know far more today than in March. Different decisions would be made based on what we know now.

I'm not talking about what to do with the individual, I'm talking about what the rest of the team does?

And yes, we do know more today than in March.... like you could be asymptomatic for days without anyone knowing... or never showing any signs of being ill.

There will be a team with an outbreak. Get your popcorn ready.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat May 23, 2020 2:08 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
azcat49 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azcat49 wrote:To much money not to.
True but it is also many other factors

Tradition
An escape for the fans
School and state and region pride
Getting back to normal
Players want to play
Players at virtually no risk (Wilner said the other day not one college aged person has died from the virus in the entire conference footprint)
Player’s families better protected by having players tested regularly

Money absolutely matters but it is by no means the only thing
While I agree to what you wrote as other underlying reasons, the economics of college sports and the deficits schools would run mandates a start to the season. Kids and families can decide to play or not to play.

Pro team owners stand to really lose if they don’t play. While they may be better equipped to handle a long layoff the lost value from appreciation or the lack there of has to motivate those owners to pressure to resume play.

Next would be the states and cities and the revenues and jobs lost. Bottom line is most of this is economically driven IMO
Well it certainly isn't driven by morality, science, compassion or intelligence.

Sure thing

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat May 23, 2020 2:09 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:They are isolated and quarantined for a few weeks. Pro sports will have different rules for this with the roster. Either more moved up and down with the minors or expanded rosters. This has been spoken about a lot nationally.

We know far more today than in March. Different decisions would be made based on what we know now.
But if one player gets it, chances are others will have it too, not to mention whatever team that person played against.

See the problem? I just don't see how a full season of any sport can be played like this.

How did only two Jazz players get it then?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat May 23, 2020 2:13 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
AZCatGirl wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:They are isolated and quarantined for a few weeks. Pro sports will have different rules for this with the roster. Either more moved up and down with the minors or expanded rosters. This has been spoken about a lot nationally.

We know far more today than in March. Different decisions would be made based on what we know now.
But if one player gets it, chances are others will have it too, not to mention whatever team that person played against.

See the problem? I just don't see how a full season of any sport can be played like this.
How did only two Jazz players get it then?

Because they shut the entire fucking league down!!!!!!

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sat May 23, 2020 2:14 pm

FYI

Colorado Mesa University student, 21, is state's youngest COVID-19 victim/

he played on club baseball team, so was an athlete; but likely not infected at school

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/l ... plications" target="_blank

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat May 23, 2020 2:24 pm

Alieberman wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
AZCatGirl wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:They are isolated and quarantined for a few weeks. Pro sports will have different rules for this with the roster. Either more moved up and down with the minors or expanded rosters. This has been spoken about a lot nationally.

We know far more today than in March. Different decisions would be made based on what we know now.
But if one player gets it, chances are others will have it too, not to mention whatever team that person played against.

See the problem? I just don't see how a full season of any sport can be played like this.
How did only two Jazz players get it then?
Because they shut the entire fucking league down!!!!!!

Gobert had it before the day he tested positive for it. Playing against other teams and practicing with his team, same locker room without any precautions for a while between when he actually got the virus and when he tested positive for it.

With precautions and widespread testing transmissions between teammates isn’t a guaranteed thing

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:15 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue May 26, 2020 6:33 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue May 26, 2020 6:34 pm

'Voluntary'? With so many marginal players on the team, would any care to not show up?

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Tue May 26, 2020 7:27 pm

This could make on-campus college classes and/or dormitory living very risky this fall....

CDC - "Serologic test results should not be used to make decisions about grouping persons residing in or being admitted to congregate settings, such as schools, dormitories, or correctional facilities."

Antibody tests for Covid-19 wrong half the time, CDC says

(CNN)Antibody tests used to determine if people have been infected in the past with Covid-19 might be wrong up to half the time, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in new guidance posted on its website.
Antibody tests, often called serologic tests, look for evidence of an immune response to infection. "Antibodies in some persons can be detected within the first week of illness onset," the CDC says.

They are not accurate enough to use to make important policy decisions, the CDC said.

"Serologic test results should not be used to make decisions about grouping persons residing in or being admitted to congregate settings, such as schools, dormitories, or correctional facilities," the CDC says.

"Serologic test results should not be used to make decisions about returning persons to the workplace."
Health officials or health care providers who are using antibody tests need to use the most accurate test they can find and might need to test people twice, the CDC said in the new guidance.
"In most of the country, including areas that have been heavily impacted, the prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibody is expected to be low, ranging from less than 5% to 25%, so that testing at this point might result in relatively more false positive results and fewer false-negative results," the CDC said.

It's a point that's been made frequently in recent weeks by public health experts, but the CDC spells out the problem in the new advice on antibody testing.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/26/heal ... rus-wrong/" target="_blank

Here's the link to the CDC Guidance - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... lines.html" target="_blank

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue May 26, 2020 9:05 pm

Merkin wrote:'Voluntary'? With so many marginal players on the team, would any care to not show up?

Lol just like the optional spring camps in high school

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu May 28, 2020 6:11 am

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:08 am

Schools that had players already come back for voluntary workouts are already having multiple people test positive for covid. There's no way that entire teams aren't getting infected once school is back. Which will mean that if people go ahead with the season then some teams will have to drop out and stop playing mid season.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:59 am

ASUHATER! wrote:Schools that had players already come back for voluntary workouts are already having multiple people test positive for covid. There's no way that entire teams aren't getting infected once school is back. Which will mean that if people go ahead with the season then some teams will have to drop out and stop playing mid season.

Again with no protocols at all the Jazz and other NBA players only had one or two players test positive. These players likely had it before they got to school

prh · Post by **prh** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:24 pm

Yeah any teams getting positive results this week are from intake testing, not from internal spread

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:49 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Schools that had players already come back for voluntary workouts are already having multiple people test positive for covid. There's no way that entire teams aren't getting infected once school is back. Which will mean that if people go ahead with the season then some teams will have to drop out and stop playing mid season.
Again with no protocols at all the Jazz and other NBA players only had one or two players test positive. These players likely had it before they got to school

And it is likely you're a barely literate idiot.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:18 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Schools that had players already come back for voluntary workouts are already having multiple people test positive for covid. There's no way that entire teams aren't getting infected once school is back. Which will mean that if people go ahead with the season then some teams will have to drop out and stop playing mid season.
Again with no protocols at all the Jazz and other NBA players only had one or two players test positive. These players likely had it before they got to school
And it is likely you're a barely literate idiot.

I will bet you 100-1 odds. You have the 100 side. No team will have every single player test positive for covid the same week. Deal?

You clearly dont get it. 1) the players testing positive now didn't get it from teammates and 2) if under zero safety measures and protocols only a small percentage of a team get it then there is no way an entire teams get it at the same time

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:23 pm

Blah blah gambling addiction blah blah betting on human beings lives again blah blah

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:26 am

prh wrote:Yeah any teams getting positive results this week are from intake testing, not from internal spread

The question is going to be how isolated can you keep the players, especially when other students return to campus.

To me, an outcome every school will desperately want to avoid is starting the season and then having to go back into quarantine.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:50 am

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:13 am

I don’t see how there can be any justifiable distinction between athletes’s health precautions vs health precautions for everyone on the campus.

But I’m a big skeptic regarding bringing students back to campus, especially dorms, large classes, and any type of convocations.... My grandson is planning to start at Colorado State in August, and that scares the shit out of me....

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:23 pm

Chicat wrote:
prh wrote:Yeah any teams getting positive results this week are from intake testing, not from internal spread
The question is going to be how isolated can you keep the players, especially when other students return to campus.

To me, an outcome every school will desperately want to avoid is starting the season and then having to go back into quarantine.

I don't have high hopes on either of those. It seems college sports is betting on the fact that college age mortality rate is so low. But there are so many other considerations and factors, it's going to be tough. I'm far less concerned about reduced fans compared to team outbreaks because of how difficult outdoor transmission is compared to indoor.

AZ has the worst case count trajectory in the US, making all of this more critical for UA.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:12 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:50 am

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:03 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:28 pm

I hope we get to watch him play.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:27 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:34 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:08 pm

We'll see what happens.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:38 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:32 pm

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:43 pm

It simply doesn't happen without a therapeutic cocktail of meds that blunt the worst of the virus, antibody therapy, and/or a vaccine.

We are closer to the first, but the second and third are moving along at a fantastic rate. Two vaccines into phase 3, eight through phase 2, and government money behind producing the vaccines ahead of final phase testing, which is usually a huge part of the delay...if the vaccine fails, they will be dumped at no cost to the developer, but if successful, a large number of doses are ready immediately. Some of the antibody therapy development has been fascinating to watch, especially the San Diego group working with synthetic antibodies, which would be, obviously, easier to mass produce as you would not need infected blood.

But short of any of these, and it certainly looks like later fall/winter '20 into '2021 before we get one or more, fall sports will be attempted but will, ultimately, be retracted IMO. They have to try. But they have to have buy in, also, and we are already seeing players push back.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:50 pm

NBA and MLB can't figure out how to do it.

College kids aren't going to be the guinea pigs if the NCAA really believes these are student-athletes and not cash cows

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:18 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:15 pm

Then there's this.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:20 pm

Which puts a big problem in the way of the mountain west conference operating

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:25 pm

Fuck Idaho and all the Mark Furmans living there.

Becerra’s order means public employees and college students may not travel to Idaho under provisions of a 2016 California law.

As a (former) state employee, a slight correction would be that we are free to travel to those states, just not on the taxpayer's dime which includes athletic travel whether self funded or not. Which I am not aware of any major conferences in Idaho, along with the rest of the hater states.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:30 pm

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:44 pm

People need to realize that sports ain't happening this fall and that universities need to still be online only at least until January.

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