Re: This one hurts
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:15 am
Enough crying already. It's Friday...game tomorrow and time to move forward. Somebody kill this thread already
Newportcat wrote:I watched that game in the big room at the bottom of Coronado where I was living. It was really the first Arizona game I watched as a true fan, with my family ties had followed the team before but not that closely. I remember waking up real early for it (didn't it start at like 8am?) and being so excited and then BAM, all gone. Very telling game....CalStateTempe wrote:Damn, Newport, I'm right there with you...its been 17?
Who knew my football fandom would kick off in the basement of Kaibab Huachuca watching the Penn St game.
Telling...
So, you don't want to talk about the LSU Tuitama concussion game?whatisee wrote:Enough crying already. It's Friday...game tomorrow and time to move forward. Somebody kill this thread already
that one sucked. sd86 and i and a friend went to this new orleans style restaurant on grant road (that's closed now) to get food and watch the game. po' boys and all that. ended up sadly eating our food in silence.Chicat wrote:So, you don't want to talk about the LSU Tuitama concussion game?whatisee wrote:Enough crying already. It's Friday...game tomorrow and time to move forward. Somebody kill this thread already
The French Quarter. My band played there a few times in the early aughts.ASUHATER! wrote:that one sucked. sd86 and i and a friend went to this new orleans style restaurant on grant road (that's closed now) to get food and watch the game. po' boys and all that. ended up sadly eating our food in silence.Chicat wrote:So, you don't want to talk about the LSU Tuitama concussion game?whatisee wrote:Enough crying already. It's Friday...game tomorrow and time to move forward. Somebody kill this thread already
OSUCat wrote:It's time to flip the script.
The 1st play I remember watching Arizona Football is the leap by the lake!
The 1st play of basketball I remember is Mile Simon hitting a full court shot to win the game.
I watched football and basketball before those plays but looking back those are my real first memories I have.
says the guy with a hostile and defensive post that i'm currently quoting. strange.BearDown89 wrote:1976-2016. 40 years now. Just means I'm older that's all.
Luckily, I have virtually no memory of the Mackovic years. I'd moved back up here to Boise from Phoenix and wasn't tuned in I guess.
So bizarre to me that, after all of their combined years of posting on these boards, the twin-droolers can't figure out how to have a pleasant conversation without getting hostile and defensive.
My first Arizona football memory is the Fiesta Bowl in 93 against Miami. Can't say I ever noticed them before that since I was living in NY.OSUCat wrote:It's time to flip the script.
The 1st play I remember watching Arizona Football is the leap by the lake!
The 1st play of basketball I remember is Mile Simon hitting a full court shot to win the game.
I watched football and basketball before those plays but looking back those are my real first memories I have.
Fair enough. I do enjoy your culinary contributions to those threads. I've no feeling of long-suffering superiority though. It's just fun to recall some of the names and games with the more vintage posters. I suppose we all enjoy having street cred within our tribes. All things considered the only thing that really pangs me about Arizona Football is the Rose Bowl issue. That one sucks. Otherwise, I'll continue to revel and suffer, as circumstances dictate, for the duration.scumdevils86 wrote:Come on man, look at my history. I'm not at all hostile and defensive (maybe asuhater is though). There is always this slight bit of superiority that oozes subconsciously from people who have "been there longer". I'm not saying it is bad, I am sure I will get that way myself as it is human nature.
I don't know what it says about me that I became a fan during the Mackovic years. Maybe that's why we're so fucked up.
LikewiseBearDown89 wrote:Fair enough. I do enjoy your culinary contributions to those threads. I've no feeling of long-suffering superiority though. It's just fun to recall some of the names and games with the more vintage posters. I suppose we all enjoy having street cred within our tribes. All things considered the only thing that really pangs me about Arizona Football is the Rose Bowl issue. That one sucks. Otherwise, I'll continue to revel and suffer, as circumstances dictate, for the duration.scumdevils86 wrote:Come on man, look at my history. I'm not at all hostile and defensive (maybe asuhater is though). There is always this slight bit of superiority that oozes subconsciously from people who have "been there longer". I'm not saying it is bad, I am sure I will get that way myself as it is human nature.
I don't know what it says about me that I became a fan during the Mackovic years. Maybe that's why we're so fucked up.
The Miracle Miles shot was 65 feet. So you guys can split the difference and both be half rightMerkin wrote:OSUCat wrote:It's time to flip the script.
The 1st play I remember watching Arizona Football is the leap by the lake!
The 1st play of basketball I remember is Mile Simon hitting a full court shot to win the game.
I watched football and basketball before those plays but looking back those are my real first memories I have.
Pretty sure it was half court, but I think that is my daughter's first memory of college basketball, or maybe one of my son's.
Too bad Ortege Jenkins regressed so much after his freshman year.
And note RichRod, 2 QBs can work!
that was also the year you drank beer from a sports trophy and torched the alpha beta house. good times.Chicat wrote:My first Arizona football memory is the Fiesta Bowl in 93 against Miami. Can't say I ever noticed them before that since I was living in NY.
My first memory as a fan was game 1 of my freshman year, Sept. 2, 1995. The team kicked the shit out of Pacific. We did the wave, there were beach balls flying around the student section, and I was 18 and drunk. It was awesome.
It would have been a perfect year if it hadn't been for those nerds ruining Spring Fling/Greek Homecoming Festival...dirtbags wrote:that was also the year you drank beer from a sports trophy and torched the alpha beta house. good times.Chicat wrote:My first Arizona football memory is the Fiesta Bowl in 93 against Miami. Can't say I ever noticed them before that since I was living in NY.
My first memory as a fan was game 1 of my freshman year, Sept. 2, 1995. The team kicked the shit out of Pacific. We did the wave, there were beach balls flying around the student section, and I was 18 and drunk. It was awesome.
https://youtu.be/eqj7DYy23D0" target="_blankMerkin wrote:OSUCat wrote:It's time to flip the script.
The 1st play I remember watching Arizona Football is the leap by the lake!
The 1st play of basketball I remember is Mile Simon hitting a full court shot to win the game.
I watched football and basketball before those plays but looking back those are my real first memories I have.
Pretty sure it was half court, but I think that is my daughter's first memory of college basketball, or maybe one of my son's.
Too bad Ortege Jenkins regressed so much after his freshman year.
And note RichRod, 2 QBs can work!
Chicat wrote:So, you don't want to talk about the LSU Tuitama concussion game?whatisee wrote:Enough crying already. It's Friday...game tomorrow and time to move forward. Somebody kill this thread already
My concern:Gladiator Cat wrote:Guys not sure where this should go but the other site is reporting that Anu is questionable. A hurt knee. I didn't see that happen in the game.
Its looks like we're going to get a long look at Dawkins at long last.
If this is true I think there is not a better situation for Dawkins and extended playing time than to get meaningful playing time against a cupcake.
RR said he hurt it practicing on the Arizona Stadium artificial turf when it was raining.Gladiator Cat wrote:Guys not sure where this should go but the other site is reporting that Anu is questionable. A hurt knee. I didn't see that happen in the game.
Spaceman Spiff wrote:My concern:Gladiator Cat wrote:Guys not sure where this should go but the other site is reporting that Anu is questionable. A hurt knee. I didn't see that happen in the game.
Its looks like we're going to get a long look at Dawkins at long last.
If this is true I think there is not a better situation for Dawkins and extended playing time than to get meaningful playing time against a cupcake.
Grambling is bad, so either Anu or Dawkins would look like a dominant qb against them. If it's Dawkins, does it do anything but build more uncertainty into the QB situation? The question really isn't who can kill it vs Grambling.
Merkin wrote:RR said he hurt it practicing on the Arizona Stadium artificial turf when it was raining.Gladiator Cat wrote:Guys not sure where this should go but the other site is reporting that Anu is questionable. A hurt knee. I didn't see that happen in the game.
Whether that's true or not, who knows. RichRod's football speak is not always honest.
CalStateTempe wrote:This is not going to be a popular opinion, but I'm beginning to tell as if RRs best days are behind him.
When he leaves whenever that may be, he can take that turf with him. Bring back natural grass to wildcat stadium.
I agree. Of course I want to beat Grambling down, because if we lose to Grambling, the sky may actually be falling.Gladiator Cat wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:My concern:Gladiator Cat wrote:Guys not sure where this should go but the other site is reporting that Anu is questionable. A hurt knee. I didn't see that happen in the game.
Its looks like we're going to get a long look at Dawkins at long last.
If this is true I think there is not a better situation for Dawkins and extended playing time than to get meaningful playing time against a cupcake.
Grambling is bad, so either Anu or Dawkins would look like a dominant qb against them. If it's Dawkins, does it do anything but build more uncertainty into the QB situation? The question really isn't who can kill it vs Grambling.
Spiff, I guess my way of looking at it is, it doesn't really matter. As a player and a team, all you can do is play the game that is next on the schedule.
If its Dawkins, of course you want him to kill it. The other option is to play poorly and against a cupcake and at this level that would be bad in general.
The owner of the Quarter has a place at Oracle and OG, the Parish. Legit.CalStateTempe wrote:Loved the French quarter. That was my spot.
Wow, never knew that but it makes total sense. The Parish is absolutely legit, great food and strong drinks!wyo-cat wrote:The owner of the Quarter has a place at Oracle and OG, the Parish. Legit.CalStateTempe wrote:Loved the French quarter. That was my spot.
It's in the spot that was Chuy's so long ago....
Goddamn what a post. And all right on the money. Just hoping RR is refocused on his commitment to Arizona.EVCat wrote:My first year as a UA student, we won the Copper Bowl. Dick Tomey went a fantastic 4-4-3 his first year. 12-1 and 10-2 happened, but largely because he was given enough time to have those teams.
Larry Smith is remembered as being much better than he maybe was because he was the only coach in a million years that wasn't fired. He actually left us for a bigger gig. But 48-28-3 in a major conference isn't amazing.
Dick Tomey was the best coach we ever had. People can argue all they want, but he did what he did as facilities improved conference-wide while we stayed the same. I can remember how excited people in the program were that we were helping Tucson High put field turf in because we could practice on field turf at the local high school. He never asked for pay increases. He had position coaches that helped coordinate with salaries in the 5 figures. And when he had just a good roster, he could compete with the elite. Dick Tomey had 3 star teams that regularly stood up to the 5 star programs. Tomey's biggest fault might have been in having his teams sometimes play down to the competition. But we had far more potential with Tomey than any coach prior to Stoops. If we had been able to even slightly improve our facilities during his tenure, and put him in the home of 4 star level players, we would have been an elite PAC 10 program in my opinion. He had that extra factor, that thing some coaches do, where players in a violent sport that requires just a little bit more willingness to risk injury to win were willing to do that for him, and believed he had their back...which he did. He could go notoriously conservative, too, but that was because of the style of play required to stay in games with 2 and 3 star talent coached up. When he could, he loosened the reigns and was actually a risk taker on par with the best. Fake punts, fumblerooskis, fake FGs, two QBs on the field throwing to each other, Back Attack (what else could he do with that group of RBs?)...
If Homer Smith had stayed healthy for even another 5 years, I truly believe Dick Tomey would be nearing his retirement at Arizona at a level of beloved similar to Lute Olson. His one weakness was addressed, and he let Homer go to work. Schools like Arizona...and Oregon a few years back...need offensive innovation. And Homer was the man when it came to creating offense out of thin air. If Dino could have gotten another 4 or 5 years under Homer, or even one or two? 2000 turns out a lot different (we tightened up with a big lead against UW and UCLA, lost Oregon by a point), and I really believe we are somewhere between UCLA and Oregon in level of program.
Of course, this is all opinion. But I think there is some fact behind my speculation. I also think Stoops would have grown into a very good coach if his personal life hadn't fallen apart in a most ugly and public way, reducing him to what was near suicidal mindset. When Duane came back, his dealings with Mike and the mess he was led DA to get the fuck out in a hurry (it has turned out well for him...a nice life on Stanford campus). Mike Stoops was a player's coach...hell, he was basically a player. He had huge sideline issues but they were getting under control. Then all hell broke loose, and what Akina saw was a coach that wasn't even an advocate for his players anymore, huddled with lawyers and consultants trying to keep his family, money, and sanity. That was sad...I know some people are not Stoops fans, but how it ended here was not really his fault.
And I think RichRod was a steal for us. And we will be very good in the near future (especially having survived the Byrne to UF issue). RichRod made one mistake...he lost sight of Casteel's lack of dedication to recruiting, because Jeff always X and O'd his way out of trouble. He made 3 star (and 2 star) players better and put them in the right place. People with Bullshit Milestone Disorder look to yards or points per game as proof Casteel was terrible, but those are BS stats in a hurry up offense environment where you face 25 more plays, and tired. Yards/points per play are the true milestones, and Jeff Casteel held up OK. But he didn't recruit, didn't have a taste for that part of the game, and his lack of depth was exposed in one truly awful season injury wise, where we were thin to begin with. RichRod allowed friendship and year 3 to cloud a growing problem. But he has addressed that (man, has he), and we are on the verge of yanking a super class. He derailed for a moment, but if RR stays, he has to be the favorite to be our best coach ever.
EVCat wrote:My first year as a UA student, we won the Copper Bowl. Dick Tomey went a fantastic 4-4-3 his first year. 12-1 and 10-2 happened, but largely because he was given enough time to have those teams.
Larry Smith is remembered as being much better than he maybe was because he was the only coach in a million years that wasn't fired. He actually left us for a bigger gig. But 48-28-3 in a major conference isn't amazing.
Dick Tomey was the best coach we ever had. People can argue all they want, but he did what he did as facilities improved conference-wide while we stayed the same. I can remember how excited people in the program were that we were helping Tucson High put field turf in because we could practice on field turf at the local high school. He never asked for pay increases. He had position coaches that helped coordinate with salaries in the 5 figures. And when he had just a good roster, he could compete with the elite. Dick Tomey had 3 star teams that regularly stood up to the 5 star programs. Tomey's biggest fault might have been in having his teams sometimes play down to the competition. But we had far more potential with Tomey than any coach prior to Stoops. If we had been able to even slightly improve our facilities during his tenure, and put him in the home of 4 star level players, we would have been an elite PAC 10 program in my opinion. He had that extra factor, that thing some coaches do, where players in a violent sport that requires just a little bit more willingness to risk injury to win were willing to do that for him, and believed he had their back...which he did. He could go notoriously conservative, too, but that was because of the style of play required to stay in games with 2 and 3 star talent coached up. When he could, he loosened the reigns and was actually a risk taker on par with the best. Fake punts, fumblerooskis, fake FGs, two QBs on the field throwing to each other, Back Attack (what else could he do with that group of RBs?)...
If Homer Smith had stayed healthy for even another 5 years, I truly believe Dick Tomey would be nearing his retirement at Arizona at a level of beloved similar to Lute Olson. His one weakness was addressed, and he let Homer go to work. Schools like Arizona...and Oregon a few years back...need offensive innovation. And Homer was the man when it came to creating offense out of thin air. If Dino could have gotten another 4 or 5 years under Homer, or even one or two? 2000 turns out a lot different (we tightened up with a big lead against UW and UCLA, lost Oregon by a point), and I really believe we are somewhere between UCLA and Oregon in level of program.
Of course, this is all opinion. But I think there is some fact behind my speculation. I also think Stoops would have grown into a very good coach if his personal life hadn't fallen apart in a most ugly and public way, reducing him to what was near suicidal mindset. When Duane came back, his dealings with Mike and the mess he was led DA to get the fuck out in a hurry (it has turned out well for him...a nice life on Stanford campus). Mike Stoops was a player's coach...hell, he was basically a player. He had huge sideline issues but they were getting under control. Then all hell broke loose, and what Akina saw was a coach that wasn't even an advocate for his players anymore, huddled with lawyers and consultants trying to keep his family, money, and sanity. That was sad...I know some people are not Stoops fans, but how it ended here was not really his fault.
And I think RichRod was a steal for us. And we will be very good in the near future (especially having survived the Byrne to UF issue). RichRod made one mistake...he lost sight of Casteel's lack of dedication to recruiting, because Jeff always X and O'd his way out of trouble. He made 3 star (and 2 star) players better and put them in the right place. People with Bullshit Milestone Disorder look to yards or points per game as proof Casteel was terrible, but those are BS stats in a hurry up offense environment where you face 25 more plays, and tired. Yards/points per play are the true milestones, and Jeff Casteel held up OK. But he didn't recruit, didn't have a taste for that part of the game, and his lack of depth was exposed in one truly awful season injury wise, where we were thin to begin with. RichRod allowed friendship and year 3 to cloud a growing problem. But he has addressed that (man, has he), and we are on the verge of yanking a super class. He derailed for a moment, but if RR stays, he has to be the favorite to be our best coach ever.
EVCat wrote:My first year as a UA student, we won the Copper Bowl. Dick Tomey went a fantastic 4-4-3 his first year. 12-1 and 10-2 happened, but largely because he was given enough time to have those teams.
Larry Smith is remembered as being much better than he maybe was because he was the only coach in a million years that wasn't fired. He actually left us for a bigger gig. But 48-28-3 in a major conference isn't amazing.
Dick Tomey was the best coach we ever had. People can argue all they want, but he did what he did as facilities improved conference-wide while we stayed the same. I can remember how excited people in the program were that we were helping Tucson High put field turf in because we could practice on field turf at the local high school. He never asked for pay increases. He had position coaches that helped coordinate with salaries in the 5 figures. And when he had just a good roster, he could compete with the elite. Dick Tomey had 3 star teams that regularly stood up to the 5 star programs. Tomey's biggest fault might have been in having his teams sometimes play down to the competition. But we had far more potential with Tomey than any coach prior to Stoops. If we had been able to even slightly improve our facilities during his tenure, and put him in the home of 4 star level players, we would have been an elite PAC 10 program in my opinion. He had that extra factor, that thing some coaches do, where players in a violent sport that requires just a little bit more willingness to risk injury to win were willing to do that for him, and believed he had their back...which he did. He could go notoriously conservative, too, but that was because of the style of play required to stay in games with 2 and 3 star talent coached up. When he could, he loosened the reigns and was actually a risk taker on par with the best. Fake punts, fumblerooskis, fake FGs, two QBs on the field throwing to each other, Back Attack (what else could he do with that group of RBs?)...
If Homer Smith had stayed healthy for even another 5 years, I truly believe Dick Tomey would be nearing his retirement at Arizona at a level of beloved similar to Lute Olson. His one weakness was addressed, and he let Homer go to work. Schools like Arizona...and Oregon a few years back...need offensive innovation. And Homer was the man when it came to creating offense out of thin air. If Dino could have gotten another 4 or 5 years under Homer, or even one or two? 2000 turns out a lot different (we tightened up with a big lead against UW and UCLA, lost Oregon by a point), and I really believe we are somewhere between UCLA and Oregon in level of program.
Of course, this is all opinion. But I think there is some fact behind my speculation. I also think Stoops would have grown into a very good coach if his personal life hadn't fallen apart in a most ugly and public way, reducing him to what was near suicidal mindset. When Duane came back, his dealings with Mike and the mess he was led DA to get the fuck out in a hurry (it has turned out well for him...a nice life on Stanford campus). Mike Stoops was a player's coach...hell, he was basically a player. He had huge sideline issues but they were getting under control. Then all hell broke loose, and what Akina saw was a coach that wasn't even an advocate for his players anymore, huddled with lawyers and consultants trying to keep his family, money, and sanity. That was sad...I know some people are not Stoops fans, but how it ended here was not really his fault.
And I think RichRod was a steal for us. And we will be very good in the near future (especially having survived the Byrne to UF issue). RichRod made one mistake...he lost sight of Casteel's lack of dedication to recruiting, because Jeff always X and O'd his way out of trouble. He made 3 star (and 2 star) players better and put them in the right place. People with Bullshit Milestone Disorder look to yards or points per game as proof Casteel was terrible, but those are BS stats in a hurry up offense environment where you face 25 more plays, and tired. Yards/points per play are the true milestones, and Jeff Casteel held up OK. But he didn't recruit, didn't have a taste for that part of the game, and his lack of depth was exposed in one truly awful season injury wise, where we were thin to begin with. RichRod allowed friendship and year 3 to cloud a growing problem. But he has addressed that (man, has he), and we are on the verge of yanking a super class. He derailed for a moment, but if RR stays, he has to be the favorite to be our best coach ever.
I will say EVCat I agree with you on everything else you said. I want RR to stay Building a school into a "football school" is a process and doesn't happen overnight. I think RR is well on his way. Even if we disagree on who the best UofA coach was no one can argue about what an incredible human being Dick Tomey is. A high school classmate of mine worked for years in the UofA maintenance department and saw a number of coaches come and go but Tomey always talked to him, knew his name and his family. That's just the kind of human being he is.azpenguin wrote:EV, damn good post. TGrumpy does have a point about the NCAA issues, but there was a lot of other frustrations mixed in the Larry Smith years along with all the fun. This isn't to bash on Smith at all, he was a damn fine football coach and brought a spark that the program badly needed to get through a tough stretch. (For those of you that weren't along for the ride then... no TV for two years and a bowl ban SUUUUUCKED.) I'd also add to the bit you said about Dick Tomey having his players' backs - he did then and he still does now. He is still helping his former players, especially ones going through some tough things in life.
...But we won?Gilbertcat wrote:This one is worse. Locally it will be beat to death, luckily Georgia had a worse game.
I was in the stands for that game...UAdevil wrote:Newportcat wrote:I watched that game in the big room at the bottom of Coronado where I was living. It was really the first Arizona game I watched as a true fan, with my family ties had followed the team before but not that closely. I remember waking up real early for it (didn't it start at like 8am?) and being so excited and then BAM, all gone. Very telling game....CalStateTempe wrote:Damn, Newport, I'm right there with you...its been 17?
Who knew my football fandom would kick off in the basement of Kaibab Huachuca watching the Penn St game.
Telling...
I was a senior and working in the State Museum gift shop. I remember coming in early to set up the store for the day and rigging up the 12 inch TV that we used to demo some dvds, to get reception for the game. Think I stuck a makeshift antenna made of about 10 paperclips into the coaxial jack to get the network. So, so excited...then, boom. We suck.
CalStateTempe wrote:UW is going to Curbstomp us.
In a promo for the Michigan/Penn State game they mentioned that was their last win against a top-10 team.Puerco wrote:I was in the stands for that game...UAdevil wrote:Newportcat wrote:I watched that game in the big room at the bottom of Coronado where I was living. It was really the first Arizona game I watched as a true fan, with my family ties had followed the team before but not that closely. I remember waking up real early for it (didn't it start at like 8am?) and being so excited and then BAM, all gone. Very telling game....CalStateTempe wrote:Damn, Newport, I'm right there with you...its been 17?
Who knew my football fandom would kick off in the basement of Kaibab Huachuca watching the Penn St game.
Telling...
I was a senior and working in the State Museum gift shop. I remember coming in early to set up the store for the day and rigging up the 12 inch TV that we used to demo some dvds, to get reception for the game. Think I stuck a makeshift antenna made of about 10 paperclips into the coaxial jack to get the network. So, so excited...then, boom. We suck.