Re: Arizona Coaching Search
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:25 am
Sumlin is the only one who would improve attendance imo, if that actually is important to HeekeRondaeShimmy wrote:
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Sumlin is the only one who would improve attendance imo, if that actually is important to HeekeRondaeShimmy wrote:
No shit man. It's way time to try something different and hire a guy who has passion for this school and team.Gladiator Cat wrote:Basically after damn near a century of fielding a football team with many more lows than highs, I say there should be nothing that's not on the table. Literally at this point in time there is nothing of a legacy to be worried about or protect.
We've never had a historical component to our football program outside of the two to three years of possibly the best damn defense in the history of college football back in Desert Swarm days. other than that we've been a breathtaking after-thought.
I simply don't understand the contempt and hatred for seriously entertaining the concept of bringing back some former great alums that bleed red and blue and would die to coach here. Every MF'r in the history of all sports at one time in their life who choose to become a head coach had to get hired by someone for the first time.
I would be willing to bet a large chunk of change that all the so called big names being slobbered all over and fantasized about wouldn't do a damn bit better than some of the legacy Arizona football alums if given the opportunity.
As a program we have got to turn over all the rocks and break the mold, whatever that is. All I know is hiring another old fired reject that sounds pretty on paper hasn't worked out for our school. We need an edge that can only be derived from real love and loyalty to the school. I'm utterly sick of freaking east coast used car salesmen that come here for a coaching pit-stop.
How long are we going to continue this abject clusterfuck as the retread coaching failure factory in the desert that never succeeds and just maybe take a chance on the former family member that would run through a freaking brick wall for this school and program and likely stay here forever if successful.
Our historical mediocrity label and in actuality as a program has nothing to lose by breaking its own regressive roadblocks of not considering a few former greats that may be worthy of the HC position and coordinator positions.
In closing I'm fully aware that our sample size of eligible contenders are small indeed, but Tucson is desperately in need of sometime different, and it may reside within the Arizona football family.
I'm telling you all now. These fancy big-time, well known names if they actually came here would get a freaking big ass slap in the face wake-up call in short order here in Tucson. Stars in your eyes thinking truckloads of *4* and *5* star players will start rolling into Tucson because of someone like Sumlin or Miles..........don't kid yourselves.
Agreed.btfd16 wrote:Sumlin would, at worst case, improve attendance and recruiting. I think those are the most important things we need right now.
I don't think there is any evidence that he would increase attendance. That seems to be an opinion, not a fact. Yes, he can recruit, but would not be able to recruit here as well as he did at aTm. And there, even with consistent top 10, top 15 recruiting classes, his record was fairly mediocre, consistently finishing 4th or lower in a 7 team division. Les Mile proved himself to be a better coach, with a better record than Sumlin.btfd16 wrote:Sumlin would, at worst case, improve attendance and recruiting. I think those are the most important things we need right now.
Let's just bulldoze Arizona Stadium and build a Lacrosse field then considering the vast majority in Tucson have no idea who Joe Salave'a is let alone how to pronounce his name. Good luck having him boost attendance.BBQ wildcat wrote:I don't think there is any evidence that he would increase attendance. That seems to be an opinion, not a fact. Yes, he can recruit, but would not be able to recruit here as well as he did at aTm. And there, even with consistent top 10, top 15 recruiting classes, his record was fairly mediocre, consistently finishing 4th or lower in a 7 team division. Les Mile proved himself to be a better coach, with a better record than Sumlin.btfd16 wrote:Sumlin would, at worst case, improve attendance and recruiting. I think those are the most important things we need right now.
I would much rather have a UA alum, however unproven, than Sumlin. Joe Salave'a coming in would do more to improve attendance, IMO, than Sumlin.
Casual fans, younger fans and recent grads would be tenfold more excited about Sumlin than Salavea. Plus attendance with older fans would still spike. Not to mention his exciting offense.ChooChooCat wrote:Let's just bulldoze Arizona Stadium and build a Lacrosse field then considering the vast majority in Tucson have no idea who Joe Salave'a is let alone how to pronounce his name. Good luck having him boost attendance.BBQ wildcat wrote:I don't think there is any evidence that he would increase attendance. That seems to be an opinion, not a fact. Yes, he can recruit, but would not be able to recruit here as well as he did at aTm. And there, even with consistent top 10, top 15 recruiting classes, his record was fairly mediocre, consistently finishing 4th or lower in a 7 team division. Les Mile proved himself to be a better coach, with a better record than Sumlin.btfd16 wrote:Sumlin would, at worst case, improve attendance and recruiting. I think those are the most important things we need right now.
I would much rather have a UA alum, however unproven, than Sumlin. Joe Salave'a coming in would do more to improve attendance, IMO, than Sumlin.
aTm was a newcomer to the SEC West, and really was a better fit for the Big 12 in my opinion. Yes, he recruited well, but often had the 3rd or 4th best recruiting class in his own division. He was up against Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi St. and Ole Miss just in his division. Now I'm not saying he should be off the hook completely for not getting better results, but that is an absolutely brutal schedule to go up against every single year. (MSU and Ole Miss are down a bit right now, but he was facing them at their peaks.) I would be OK with a Sumlin hire as long as they're assured there are no off-field issues to worry about.BBQ wildcat wrote:I don't think there is any evidence that he would increase attendance. That seems to be an opinion, not a fact. Yes, he can recruit, but would not be able to recruit here as well as he did at aTm. And there, even with consistent top 10, top 15 recruiting classes, his record was fairly mediocre, consistently finishing 4th or lower in a 7 team division. Les Mile proved himself to be a better coach, with a better record than Sumlin.btfd16 wrote:Sumlin would, at worst case, improve attendance and recruiting. I think those are the most important things we need right now.
I would much rather have a UA alum, however unproven, than Sumlin. Joe Salave'a coming in would do more to improve attendance, IMO, than Sumlin.
You should phrase that as an opinion, not a fact. And I don't believe it to be true.btfd16 wrote:Casual fans, younger fans and recent grads would be tenfold more excited about Sumlin than Salavea. Plus attendance with older fans would still spike. Not to mention his exciting offense.ChooChooCat wrote:Let's just bulldoze Arizona Stadium and build a Lacrosse field then considering the vast majority in Tucson have no idea who Joe Salave'a is let alone how to pronounce his name. Good luck having him boost attendance.BBQ wildcat wrote:I don't think there is any evidence that he would increase attendance. That seems to be an opinion, not a fact. Yes, he can recruit, but would not be able to recruit here as well as he did at aTm. And there, even with consistent top 10, top 15 recruiting classes, his record was fairly mediocre, consistently finishing 4th or lower in a 7 team division. Les Mile proved himself to be a better coach, with a better record than Sumlin.btfd16 wrote:Sumlin would, at worst case, improve attendance and recruiting. I think those are the most important things we need right now.
I would much rather have a UA alum, however unproven, than Sumlin. Joe Salave'a coming in would do more to improve attendance, IMO, than Sumlin.
This is exactly the crowd Heeke needs to attract.btfd16 wrote:Casual fans, younger fans and recent grads would be tenfold more excited about Sumlin than Salavea. Plus attendance with older fans would still spike. Not to mention his exciting offense.ChooChooCat wrote:Let's just bulldoze Arizona Stadium and build a Lacrosse field then considering the vast majority in Tucson have no idea who Joe Salave'a is let alone how to pronounce his name. Good luck having him boost attendance.BBQ wildcat wrote:I don't think there is any evidence that he would increase attendance. That seems to be an opinion, not a fact. Yes, he can recruit, but would not be able to recruit here as well as he did at aTm. And there, even with consistent top 10, top 15 recruiting classes, his record was fairly mediocre, consistently finishing 4th or lower in a 7 team division. Les Mile proved himself to be a better coach, with a better record than Sumlin.btfd16 wrote:Sumlin would, at worst case, improve attendance and recruiting. I think those are the most important things we need right now.
I would much rather have a UA alum, however unproven, than Sumlin. Joe Salave'a coming in would do more to improve attendance, IMO, than Sumlin.
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? A range is fine. Not meaning this to be snarky as it may come off online, but I am phrasing it as a fact because I am 24, graduated in 2016 and over the last few days have talked to just about everyone from school who has an interest in this matter. I would say about 60-70 people. I would say about 20% (if that) of those people know who Salavea is. All know who Sumlin is. The friends who still live in the Phoenix area would be excited to go down for a game to watch Sumlin and what he could do with Tate.BBQ wildcat wrote:You should phrase that as an opinion, not a fact. And I don't believe it to be true.btfd16 wrote:Casual fans, younger fans and recent grads would be tenfold more excited about Sumlin than Salavea. Plus attendance with older fans would still spike. Not to mention his exciting offense.ChooChooCat wrote:Let's just bulldoze Arizona Stadium and build a Lacrosse field then considering the vast majority in Tucson have no idea who Joe Salave'a is let alone how to pronounce his name. Good luck having him boost attendance.BBQ wildcat wrote:I don't think there is any evidence that he would increase attendance. That seems to be an opinion, not a fact. Yes, he can recruit, but would not be able to recruit here as well as he did at aTm. And there, even with consistent top 10, top 15 recruiting classes, his record was fairly mediocre, consistently finishing 4th or lower in a 7 team division. Les Mile proved himself to be a better coach, with a better record than Sumlin.btfd16 wrote:Sumlin would, at worst case, improve attendance and recruiting. I think those are the most important things we need right now.
I would much rather have a UA alum, however unproven, than Sumlin. Joe Salave'a coming in would do more to improve attendance, IMO, than Sumlin.
One coach is in his early 50s and the other is in his mid 60s. That matters.Merkin wrote:Why would Sumlin improve attendance? I can see recruiting, and would be OK with him, but don't think he has the name to bring in casual UA fans, which Heeke wants to do. Don't think it would win the presser.
You ask these questions to casual FB fans:
1. What team did Kevin Sumlin coach for?
2. What team did Les Miles coach for?
How many would get both right, and how many would get just #2? Those getting #1 right and not #2 would be in the very small minority.
WIN THE PRESSER!!!
This. Spot on.Chicat wrote:You know who would be really enthusiastic about Salave’a? Diehard fans that are 40+.
You know who already has season tickets? Diehard fans that are 40+.
Good luck finding 5,000-10,000 more of those people to boost attendance significantly.
You know who would be really enthusiastic about a Miles or Sumlin? Casual college football fans.
If you can’t find 5,000-10,000 of those in southern Arizona, you might as well disband the program because ain’t nothing going to fix our problems.
The most shocking thing about this post is I didn't believe you that Sumlin was even in his 50's. Wow the guy looks good.ChooChooCat wrote:One coach is in his early 50s and the other is in his mid 60s. That matters.Merkin wrote:Why would Sumlin improve attendance? I can see recruiting, and would be OK with him, but don't think he has the name to bring in casual UA fans, which Heeke wants to do. Don't think it would win the presser.
You ask these questions to casual FB fans:
1. What team did Kevin Sumlin coach for?
2. What team did Les Miles coach for?
How many would get both right, and how many would get just #2? Those getting #1 right and not #2 would be in the very small minority.
WIN THE PRESSER!!!
I think people underrate Miles from a PR perspective. We would push that we just hired a national championship winning head coach. To say Sumlin generates more interest, well, flashing a NC ring is a big deal at Arizona.Merkin wrote:Why would Sumlin improve attendance? I can see recruiting, and would be OK with him, but don't think he has the name to bring in casual UA fans, which Heeke wants to do. Don't think it would win the presser.
You ask these questions to casual FB fans:
1. What team did Kevin Sumlin coach for?
2. What team did Les Miles coach for?
How many would get both right, and how many would get just #2? Those getting #1 right and not #2 would be in the very small minority.
WIN THE PRESSER!!!
UAEebs86 wrote:What is Pops smoking? Yeah, that would really move the attendance needle. SMH
Didn't happen at the UA when they were winning and Tate was the most exciting player in college football.Macho Grande wrote:As far as moving the attendance needle, winning takes care of that every time.
I think a lot of fans had already given up supporting a RichRod team.Merkin wrote:Didn't happen at the UA when they were winning and Tate was the most exciting player in college football.Macho Grande wrote:As far as moving the attendance needle, winning takes care of that every time.
When Tate was Mr. October and playing a ranked and exciting WSU team, the attendence: 42,822
Even UCLA earlier that month was: 48,380
Bingo.DrWildcat wrote:I think a lot of fans had already given up supporting a RichRod team.Merkin wrote:Didn't happen at the UA when they were winning and Tate was the most exciting player in college football.Macho Grande wrote:As far as moving the attendance needle, winning takes care of that every time.
When Tate was Mr. October and playing a ranked and exciting WSU team, the attendence: 42,822
Even UCLA earlier that month was: 48,380
I have been agreeing with Chief and Hater a lot lately... Coaching searches are wild.chiefzona wrote:Sumlin is the only home run hire that Arizona has.
Let's just bulldoze Arizona Stadium and build a Lacrosse field then considering the vast majority in Tucson have no idea who Joe Salave'a is let alone how to pronounce his name. Good luck having him boost attendance.
Casual fans, younger fans and recent grads would be tenfold more excited about Sumlin than Salavea. Plus attendance with older fans would still spike. Not to mention his exciting offense.
You should phrase that as an opinion, not a fact. And I don't believe it to be true.
I am retired, have lived in Tucson since the late 60's and been a Wildcat fan since the early 70's. I have no doubt that people in their early 20's would know more of Sumlin than Salave'a. But I also think that people in their early 20's or in their teens make up a small portion of the fan base, casual or otherwise. I don't have any facts to back that up, it just seems logical.If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? A range is fine. Not meaning this to be snarky as it may come off online, but I am phrasing it as a fact because I am 24, graduated in 2016 and over the last few days have talked to just about everyone from school who has an interest in this matter. I would say about 60-70 people. I would say about 20% (if that) of those people know who Salavea is. All know who Sumlin is. The friends who still live in the Phoenix area would be excited to go down for a game to watch Sumlin and what he could do with Tate.
This. Can't speak for everybody, but I had soured on RR long before we started winning with Tate, and simply viewed those games as nothing more than fools gold. Seems as though most of the fans were in that same boat.DrWildcat wrote:I think a lot of fans had already given up supporting a RichRod team.Merkin wrote:Didn't happen at the UA when they were winning and Tate was the most exciting player in college football.Macho Grande wrote:As far as moving the attendance needle, winning takes care of that every time.
When Tate was Mr. October and playing a ranked and exciting WSU team, the attendence: 42,822
Even UCLA earlier that month was: 48,380
To me Miles is nothing more than a Defensive priority version of Rich Rod. I don't see how he helps Arizona at all outside of selling that national championship he won over and over and over again, which does nothing for Arizona.dmjcat wrote:I think folks are obsessing too much over the choices. Frankly, either Miles or Sumlin would be an upgrade over RRod. If its between those 2 its a Win/Win for the UA.
I don't buy the hire the younger guy line however. If Sumlin is successful he will move on in 3-4 years. Miles would have
a much more difficult time leaving due to his age. 68-69 year old NCAA football coaches are not in high demand. I also don't buy the recruiting arguments. Neither coach will be able to recruit as well as they did at their previous stops.........and most of the recruiting is done by the assistant coaches anyway. Whomever the new coach hires as his assistants will be a more significant factor in recruiting.
Welp that's it guys, it's officially not happening. Helfrich here we come.RondaeShimmy wrote: Oh no
People are too worried some coach would leave Arizona for a better job, when's the last time that happened? Larry Smith?DrWildcat wrote:If Sumlin (or any coach) does well enough here that he leaves in a few years to a better job that would be fine with me. At least it means we had a winning team. Its better than having a bad coach for longer that we have to fire and pay to leave.
Yates can recruit. He and Sumlin will kill it!!ASUHATER! wrote:You no it Arizona needs above more than anything else? Talent. Talent will breed wins, name recognition, boost attendance, exposure, tv revenue...it all hinges on getting someone to coach that will bring in talent. Sumlin/Miles does that. Salavea, Cecil, Yates, Hunley do not.
Amen.RondaeShimmy wrote:People are too worried some coach would leave Arizona for a better job, when's the last time that happened? Larry Smith?DrWildcat wrote:If Sumlin (or any coach) does well enough here that he leaves in a few years to a better job that would be fine with me. At least it means we had a winning team. Its better than having a bad coach for longer that we have to fire and pay to leave.
Can't be scared of success.
As long as the coach leaving doesn't leave the program in ruins, the program will be fine and in better shape to land another decent coach.
Need a shower?btfd16 wrote:I have been agreeing with Chief and Hater a lot lately.chiefzona wrote:Sumlin is the only home run hire that Arizona has.
Schultz has been right about literally nothing ever.ramcat wrote:Talk of Sumlin beginning to assemble staff.
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Ding dingChicat wrote:You know who would be really enthusiastic about Salave’a? Diehard fans that are 40+.
You know who already has season tickets? Diehard fans that are 40+.
Good luck finding 5,000-10,000 more of those people to boost attendance significantly.
You know who would be really enthusiastic about a Miles or Sumlin? Casual college football fans.
If you can’t find 5,000-10,000 of those in southern Arizona, you might as well disband the program because ain’t nothing going to fix our problems.
Many more speaking of Sumlin ascending to the top of the list. Assembling possible staff is generally part of interview but ok, sure.ChooChooCat wrote:Schultz has been right about literally nothing ever.ramcat wrote:Talk of Sumlin beginning to assemble staff.
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/stat ... twterm%5E0" target="_blank
In my opinion, there were several factors that led to that.Merkin wrote:Didn't happen at the UA when they were winning and Tate was the most exciting player in college football.Macho Grande wrote:As far as moving the attendance needle, winning takes care of that every time.
When Tate was Mr. October and playing a ranked and exciting WSU team, the attendence: 42,822
Even UCLA earlier that month was: 48,380
Who doesn't love The Pirate? That would have been a must see game if I lived in Tucson.PieceOfMeat wrote: 3) WSU may have been ranked, and to diehard fans that's an exciting game, but to the casual football fan it's washington state......washington state......that's not an exciting football draw for most casual fans at our school, historically speaking.
True. Our recent hires don't have the options to move to better jobs and just get fired.RondaeShimmy wrote:People are too worried some coach would leave Arizona for a better job, when's the last time that happened? Larry Smith?DrWildcat wrote:If Sumlin (or any coach) does well enough here that he leaves in a few years to a better job that would be fine with me. At least it means we had a winning team. Its better than having a bad coach for longer that we have to fire and pay to leave.
Can't be scared of success.
As long as the coach leaving doesn't leave the program in ruins, the program will be fine and in better shape to land another decent coach.
Yates can recruit? Yeah, 3 star players, just like anybody else. He's gotten four 4 star players in his career, none of those for Arizona. The only great recruiter we've had the last few years that I can think of bolted to Nebraska after a very short stay.ramcat wrote:Yates can recruit. He and Sumlin will kill it!!ASUHATER! wrote:You no it Arizona needs above more than anything else? Talent. Talent will breed wins, name recognition, boost attendance, exposure, tv revenue...it all hinges on getting someone to coach that will bring in talent. Sumlin/Miles does that. Salavea, Cecil, Yates, Hunley do not.
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