Bear Down Wildcats

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:36 am**

azgreg wrote:

If this happens goodbye every college sport except football, men's and women's basketball and enough women's sports to fulfill Title IX

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:51 am**

PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
If this happens goodbye every college sport except football, men's and women's basketball and enough women's sports to fulfill Title IX

if the schools truly care about student and the student athlete well being than all non education activities should be cancelled and school itself should be online.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:02 am**

Another issue with pushing all fall sports into the spring is officials. A lot of these officials work multiple sports. If all the sports are in the spring there could be a shortage of officials. They would probably figure it out but it would be another hurdle to jump.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:07 am**

azgreg wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
If this happens goodbye every college sport except football, men's and women's basketball and enough women's sports to fulfill Title IX
if the schools truly care about student and the student athlete well being than all non education activities should be cancelled and school itself should be online.

I dont mean just this year. I mean forever

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:07 am**

PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
If this happens goodbye every college sport except football, men's and women's basketball and enough women's sports to fulfill Title IX

Some people value human life, some value games with balls.

It's a fine line

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:08 am**

PHXCATS wrote:
I dont mean just this year. I mean forever

Same applies when people die. They don't get to come back either.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:09 am**

Alieberman wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
If this happens goodbye every college sport except football, men's and women's basketball and enough women's sports to fulfill Title IX
Some people value human life, some value games with balls.

It's a fine line

Bread & Circuses

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:19 am**

PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
If this happens goodbye every college sport except football, men's and women's basketball and enough women's sports to fulfill Title IX
if the schools truly care about student and the student athlete well being than all non education activities should be cancelled and school itself should be online.
I dont mean just this year. I mean forever

That's a pretty stupid take.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:33 am**

azgreg wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
If this happens goodbye every college sport except football, men's and women's basketball and enough women's sports to fulfill Title IX
if the schools truly care about student and the student athlete well being than all non education activities should be cancelled and school itself should be online.
I dont mean just this year. I mean forever
That's a pretty stupid take.

Considering the source...

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:43 am**

I mean this isn't something that hasn't already been discussed

Chicat wrote:

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:16 pm**

azgreg wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azgreg wrote:
If this happens goodbye every college sport except football, men's and women's basketball and enough women's sports to fulfill Title IX
if the schools truly care about student and the student athlete well being than all non education activities should be cancelled and school itself should be online.
I dont mean just this year. I mean forever
That's a pretty stupid take.

Not at all. Every sport operates on football revenue especially ticket sales. Even taking out salaries of coaches a those sports lose tons of money. We have seen tons of sports fold already as a result of lost basketball tv revenue. Take away a year of football TV revenue and tv salsa and thers will be very few ncaa sports going forward

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:19 pm**

The PAC has a Loan secured that each school could take (83m at 3.75% over 10 years) that is secured against the next TV rights contract. This would guarantee some longevity one would think

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:44 pm**

Yea the idea that suspending a single football season would forever end all college sports is beyond idiotic.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:56 pm**

PHXCATS wrote: Take away a year of football TV revenue and tv salsa and thers will be very few ncaa sports going forward

That's a bad thing?

rifle
rowing
skiing
fencing
bowling
lacrosse
water polo
field hockey
cross country

Make them club sports like the UA does with ice hockey.

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:27 pm**

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:39 pm**

How dare those players put their safety and interests ahead of money!

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:42 pm**

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:17 pm**

While most here are in support of the kids getting a bigger chunk of the pie and controlling their likeness, I think it’s time to have a change in how they approach their time in college.

The first option would be to take the standard schollie and all that goes with that. Increase the stipend of cash but that is it.

The second option would be to enter into a business arrangement with the university where the player controls everything but must pay for his schollie, trainers, medical, nutritionist and food, his coaching, his books, his attorney fee’s , his marketing for his likeness and all things a normal business would assume. For this he gets unlimited profits from his ventures and a piece of the pie from revenues the UofA receives. Risk vs reward

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:14 pm**

azcat49 wrote:While most here are in support of the kids getting a bigger chunk of the pie and controlling their likeness, I think it’s time to have a change in how they approach their time in college.

Th Ed first option would be to take the standard schollie and all that goes with that. Increase the stipend of cash but that is it.

The second option would be to enter into a business arrangement with the university where the player controls everything but must pay for his schollie, trainers, medical, nutritionist and food, his coaching, his books, his attorney fee’s , his marketing for his likeness and all things a normal business would assume. For this he gets unlimited profits from his ventures and a piece of the pie from revenues the UofA receives. Risk vs reward

Don't forget in the 2nd option, they will have to pay taxes. How many players will come out ahead in that senerio?

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:19 pm**

Well it’s definitely a corporate scenario with a profit and loss statement including the taxes. I think most might not be inclined to go that direction and opt for the first scenario. Of course I do think they need a much bigger piece of the pie across all NCAA sports but how you figure that number is beyond me.

One hope is this movement ends the NCAA. They are a most corrupt, out of date organization IMO

Posted: **Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:37 pm**

Merkin wrote:

Wasn’t RR second on depth chart to start last season?

Posted: **Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:57 am**

At this point I'm all for College Football delaying the season if Spring allows for fan attendance.

Posted: **Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:48 pm**

CatsbyAZ wrote:At this point I'm all for College Football delaying the season if Spring allows for fan attendance.

I doubt fans are even an option for the Spring.

Posted: **Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:28 pm**

Yea I don't think it's good to have fans until the 2021 season.

Posted: **Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:58 pm**

Posted: **Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:49 pm**

Merkin wrote:

According to Machina this means it's the end of civilization as we know it.

Posted: **Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:54 pm**

Probably because without betting on games he can't win back the money he owes to his bookie by the end of September.

Posted: **Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:57 pm**

scumdevils86 wrote:Probably because without betting on games he can't win back the money he owes to his bookie by the end of September.

Lol

You are so fucking obsessed and pathetic and hilarious at the same time

Posted: **Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:36 pm**

The players have made this real interesting.

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:07 am**

So Choo this is more about the schools needing time to see how they handle the players demands than anything else?

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:13 am**

azcat49 wrote:So Choo this is more about the schools needing time to see how they handle the players demands than anything else?

It was about potential lawsuits until the players united last night

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:45 am**

Harbaugh is pissed!

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:52 am**

PHXCATS wrote:
azcat49 wrote:So Choo this is more about the schools needing time to see how they handle the players demands than anything else?
It was about potential lawsuits until the players united last night

United and did what? Guess I just don’t follow the news that closely

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:06 am**

azcat49 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
azcat49 wrote:So Choo this is more about the schools needing time to see how they handle the players demands than anything else?
It was about potential lawsuits until the players united last night

United and did what? Guess I just don’t follow the news that closely

United to want to play. Headed by Lawrence and Fields.

They are #wewanttoplay

They note that they are safer playing football from the virus than not playing

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:18 am**

Ok wait, now I am really confused. The players first were threatening there might be lawsuits if they Got the virus but now they are united and want to play? The universities were backing off the season but now are looking at playing because the players are united about playing? Do I have that right? Only in 2020 (what a misnamed year as nothing is clear)

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:24 am**

azcat49 wrote:Ok wait, now I am really confused. The players first were threatening there might be lawsuits if they hit Dick big now they are united and want to play? The universities were backing off the season but now are looking at playing because the players are united about playing? Do I have that right? Only in 2020 (what a misnamed year as nothing is clear)

I dont think the universities care what the student athletes think. The latest news is the B10 and P12 are pulling the plug tomorrow.

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:36 am**

azcat49 wrote:Ok wait, now I am really confused. The players first were threatening there might be lawsuits if they Got the virus but now they are united and want to play? The universities were backing off the season but now are looking at playing because the players are united about playing? Do I have that right? Only in 2020 (what a misnamed year as nothing is clear)

Pretty much. Both groups joined up together and dropped their financial demands.

Moot point anyway with the Big 10 and Pac 12 canceling their seasons, or delaying them at best. SEC still plans on playing though, but with the SEC football is more important than life anyway.

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:39 am**

Players were not threatening to sue in the initial letter they sent last week.

They wanted to not be forced to sign waivers.

There is a difference

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:12 pm**

ASUHATER! wrote:Yea the idea that suspending a single football season would forever end all college sports is beyond idiotic.

Not to say it would end college sports, but rather, college sports won’t be what it used to should its cash cow (football) be suspended for however long. For instance we’re already seeing Stanford and a number of other athletic departments permanently trimming certain sports within Title IX guidelines.

Unfortunately athletic departments operate like many aspect of our economy – on VERY thin margins. How many restaurants permanently shuttered after two months of zero net profit? The greater fear in all of this is just how much of economy is so finely tuned to its thin margins that unforeseen interruptions such as COVID irrecoverably throw the economy off-balance.

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:18 pm**

Only 20 FBS schools make money on athletics. That means 100 lose money, even when a pandemic wasn't even a thought. I imagine most FCS and Div II and III do too.

https://www.al.com/sports/2014/08/ncaa_ ... 20_fb.html" target="_blank

Posted: **Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:49 pm**

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:49 am**

Mountain West just cancelled fall football.

Meanwhile, Conference USA has said they are determined to play this fall, even with ODU cancelling their season.

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:51 am**

Chicat wrote:

How much of this is class-action hungry trial lawyers finding a medical detail with which to hold Universities hostage? If both sides - lawyers or universities - cared as much about player’s overall health as they do about this heart condition (that none of the pro leagues are voicing any worry about) college football would’ve closed shop years ago due to knee surgeries, the rare spinal injury, and CTE. This isn’t so much about a heart condition - it’s more so about lawyers positioning themselves for a payday at the expense of college football.

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:58 am**

An organization fearing litigation doesn't mean they've had an army of ambulance-chasing lawyers beating down their door.

It means they don't want to set up a situation whereby they could be legally liable for something they could have prevented.

Grocery stores don't clean up spills in their aisles because there are lawyers outside with signs saying, "Did you slip and fall in the soda section?"

This idea that there is this vast sea of class-action hungry lawyers just waiting for a whole bunch of kids to get Covid is a strawman. Why wouldn't they be looking at restaurants, bars, gyms, summer camps, etc. first?

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:46 am**

Just end it already.

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:11 pm**

Big Ten done

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:44 pm**

PHXCATS wrote:Big Ten done

So all sports are finished in the Big 10 for the rest of time?

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:55 pm**

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:59 pm**

I thought it was delayed until spring?

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:02 pm**

Alieberman wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Big Ten done
So all sports are finished in the Big 10 for the rest of time?

We'll see what happens.

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