2017 recruits/commitment thread

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:14 pm

The ABOR QTR benefit is a 75% discount for dependents, the only time the benefit is taxed is for domestic partners. Athletics would only have to finagle a 1/4 a scholly for Rhett. If he's got straight A's as Scurran says, the. He would be able to get an academic scholly to make up the difference. I'm almost positive that's the route they will go.

tgrumpy2 · Post by **tgrumpy2** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:16 pm

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
tgrumpy2 wrote:This is a new situation for Arizona. I don't think we've had a head coach before with athletic children that were college age. It happens at a lot of other schools including that place in Tempe. Coach Kush gave his kid a scholie to place kick. Although little Danny was capable I think there were better ones available. In the mid 80's the ASU quarterback coach gave his kid a scholarship and he ran the scout team for four years. Rhett certainly has great stats but yea with the talent that he's going to have in front of him, he is definitely going to have to prove he belongs on the field. Other than that, I don't have a problem in the world with it.
We're there scholarship limits back then?

There were limits then. I had to go look up what they were but when Kush's son played the scholarship limit was 105 and when the qb coach's son played the limit had been dropped to 95 which is ten more than are allowed today.

Sage&Silver · Post by **Sage&Silver** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:21 pm

wyo-cat wrote:The ABOR QTR benefit is a 75% discount for dependents, the only time the benefit is taxed is for domestic partners. Athletics would only have to finagle a 1/4 a scholly for Rhett. If he's got straight A's as Scurran says, the. He would be able to get an academic scholly to make up the difference. I'm almost positive that's the route they will go.

Putting football players on academic scholarships seems like such a no-brainer way to cheat it has to be prohibited.

Sage&Silver · Post by **Sage&Silver** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:21 pm

wyo-cat wrote:The ABOR QTR benefit is a 75% discount for dependents, the only time the benefit is taxed is for domestic partners. Athletics would only have to finagle a 1/4 a scholly for Rhett. If he's got straight A's as Scurran says, the. He would be able to get an academic scholly to make up the difference. I'm almost positive that's the route they will go.

Putting football players on academic scholarships seems like such a no-brainer way to cheat it has to be prohibited.

Sage&Silver · Post by **Sage&Silver** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:33 pm

After seeing what the offense could do with Denker, I have no problem using a scholarship on a smart, quick-thinking QB who knows the system. If Rhett Rod can throw a ball further than 10 yards, that's just a bonus. If he can move like BJ, he could be a back-up option.

Its just is very weird that a coach who is so outspoken on the restrictions the NCAA puts on giving scholarships to walk-ons would limit his scholarships even further.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:34 pm

Sage&Silver wrote:
wyo-cat wrote:The ABOR QTR benefit is a 75% discount for dependents, the only time the benefit is taxed is for domestic partners. Athletics would only have to finagle a 1/4 a scholly for Rhett. If he's got straight A's as Scurran says, the. He would be able to get an academic scholly to make up the difference. I'm almost positive that's the route they will go.
Putting football players on academic scholarships seems like such a no-brainer way to cheat it has to be prohibited.

If your managing your roster you would think you would take advantage of the tuition waiver/discount so you could have an extra scholly.

If he beats out BB, he has earned a scholly

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:36 pm

Pretty sure there is 0% chance that any kid playing football can be on academic scholarship

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:38 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Pretty sure there is 0% chance that any kid playing football can be on academic scholarship

Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Nate Phillips has some sort of academic scholarship. Same with Werlinginger

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:30 pm

azcat49 wrote:
Sage&Silver wrote:
wyo-cat wrote:The ABOR QTR benefit is a 75% discount for dependents, the only time the benefit is taxed is for domestic partners. Athletics would only have to finagle a 1/4 a scholly for Rhett. If he's got straight A's as Scurran says, the. He would be able to get an academic scholly to make up the difference. I'm almost positive that's the route they will go.
Putting football players on academic scholarships seems like such a no-brainer way to cheat it has to be prohibited.

If your managing your roster you would think you would take advantage of the tuition waiver/discount so you could have an extra scholly.

If he beats out BB, he has earned a scholly

Interesting point.... If he beats out BB, then I hope it is in a landslide and not close. And what if he doesn't?

The board has spoken. I'll leave this topic alone, now.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:51 pm

I would be shocked Harvey if he beats out BB. He will most definitely run the offense with better efficiency early and maybe once he gets into the weight room he becomes a monster.

Maybe other schools backed off recruiting him because they knew he was going to play for u u s n pops. Regardkess, I think using that scholly for another guy makes the most sense to me but hey, I am not his pops

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:33 pm

azcat49 wrote:I would be shocked Harvey if he beats out BB. He will most definitely run the offense with better efficiency early and maybe once he gets into the weight room he becomes a monster.

Maybe other schools backed off recruiting him because they knew he was going to play for u u s n pops. Regardkess, I think using that scholly for another guy makes the most sense to me but hey, I am not his pops

I think it's a brilliant move and shows other guys that RR plans on staying. Other coaches can't use the line 'well he's one foot out the door...'

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:50 pm

whatisee wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I would be shocked Harvey if he beats out BB. He will most definitely run the offense with better efficiency early and maybe once he gets into the weight room he becomes a monster.

Maybe other schools backed off recruiting him because they knew he was going to play for u u s n pops. Regardkess, I think using that scholly for another guy makes the most sense to me but hey, I am not his pops

I think it's a brilliant move and shows other guys that RR plans on staying. Other coaches can't use the line 'well he's one foot out the door...'

Because coach's kid on scholarship can't transfer?

It will mean more after after next season over if RR stays and Rhett arrives in campus. But even then, it's not the cement shoes you are suggesting.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:56 pm

whatisee wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I would be shocked Harvey if he beats out BB. He will most definitely run the offense with better efficiency early and maybe once he gets into the weight room he becomes a monster.

Maybe other schools backed off recruiting him because they knew he was going to play for u u s n pops. Regardkess, I think using that scholly for another guy makes the most sense to me but hey, I am not his pops

I think it's a brilliant move and shows other guys that RR plans on staying. Other coaches can't use the line 'well he's one foot out the door...'

Damn, we shouldn't have put together that 6m retention package and just offered his son a scholly.

I hope RR doesn't show a hint of favoritism as guys will be transferring faster than herpes on the ASSU campus

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:21 pm

azcat49 wrote:
whatisee wrote:
azcat49 wrote:I would be shocked Harvey if he beats out BB. He will most definitely run the offense with better efficiency early and maybe once he gets into the weight room he becomes a monster.

Maybe other schools backed off recruiting him because they knew he was going to play for u u s n pops. Regardkess, I think using that scholly for another guy makes the most sense to me but hey, I am not his pops

I think it's a brilliant move and shows other guys that RR plans on staying. Other coaches can't use the line 'well he's one foot out the door...'
Damn, we shouldn't have put together that 6m retention package and just offered his son a scholly.

I hope RR doesn't show a hint of favoritism as guys will be transferring faster than herpes on the ASSU campus

Rhett is the second coming of Bryce Alford? A little over reaction i think

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:32 pm

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:46 pm

Chicat wrote:

Looks like our newest coach is already at work. Looks like this kid was recruited by SJSU

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:45 pm

I think Williams goes right after Stephen Carr. He knows him well. I would flip out if Carr decommits from USC and commits to Arizona. One of my favorite 2017 RBs.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:14 pm

I know USC is really trying to go after Harris to replace Carr

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:29 pm

MrBug708 wrote:I know USC is really trying to go after Harris to replace Carr

A Tosh Lupoi boy who is Alabama bound.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:59 pm

A lot of people think he stays in California

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:13 pm

MrBug708 wrote:A lot of people think he stays in California

Yeah, USC or UCLA bound but momentum of a National Championship and the RB to NFL track record has Alabama soaring right now. Anything can happen.

Footballjunkie · Post by **Footballjunkie** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:53 am

btfd16 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Pretty sure there is 0% chance that any kid playing football can be on academic scholarship
Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Nate Phillips has some sort of academic scholarship. Same with Werlinginger

Don't forget Daniel Borg.
Not sure if he received an academic scholarship but when i last talked to him, years ago, he was set to graduate Summa Cum Laude (>3.90) in his major.
Borg said that graduating Summa Cum Laude was something he could take with him the rest of his life. Cool Name. Cool person. Said that if he didn't get scholarship money, he would pay his parents back somehow.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2008/01 ... -football/" target="_blank

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:18 am

If you are recruited to play football you cannot receive an academic scholarship.

Only way an academic scholarship recipient can play a sport is if he enrolls at the university, and later decides to play a sport.

Don't know Zach Werlinger's story, but if he was ever recruited to play football for the UA, he cannot receive an academic scholarship in lieu of an athletic one.

Perhaps they get academic scholarships in addition to their athletic ones.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:58 pm

Tate's mom sure had pushing the Arizona Bandwagon of late! I'm loving mama Tate!

https://mobile.twitter.com/serrasportsmom

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:30 pm

2017 Buena Park HS OT Ryan Nelson was offered today. I'm happy about this one.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:27 am

So with the new hires on defense minus the DL coach who are the big targets we are pushing for in the 2017 class. I would think Holmes, Rogers from Neveda?

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:09 am

They need to scope out Liberty HS in Vegas. Large population of Hawain's in that neighborhood. I see huge kids around this part of town constantly. Not to mention they just played Gorman for the State title.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:36 am

Alright Chief, let's have your class wish list for next year

tgrumpy2 · Post by **tgrumpy2** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:56 pm

I would love to have some way to evaluate some of the young men returning from the military. A lot of good athletes that maybe weren't quite there after high school but a few years of maturing and you have a different animal. I'd love to see some sort of a walk on and eval system for these guys. You could find some real sleepers

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:03 pm

Looks like Britt and Halimon are grayshirting so they are now class of 2017?

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:32 am

tgrumpy2 wrote:I would love to have some way to evaluate some of the young men returning from the military. A lot of good athletes that maybe weren't quite there after high school but a few years of maturing and you have a different animal. I'd love to see some sort of a walk on and eval system for these guys. You could find some real sleepers

This is a great and innovative idea! Might be a significant pool of potential recruits that weren't really thinking of going to college. These guys would have a different level of maturity also. Looking to the future with super rose colored glasses, it'd be a great way for the red, white and blue of U of A to be identified as the place to try out for football when your service is over.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:38 am

UAEebs86 wrote:Looks like Britt and Halimon are grayshirting so they are now class of 2017?

yep

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:19 pm

Quite a list to be a part of.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:49 pm

One would think the fact big bro is on our team that we would have the inside track with Holmes.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:11 pm

His final list will eventually include usc

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:10 pm

3goggles wrote:One would think the fact big bro is on our team that we would have the inside track with Holmes.

One would hope, but it never seems to turn out that way when the younger brother is the more talented one.

David Fulcher... Rodney Peete... Cory Redding... Michael Philipp... Deehaun Holiday... Calvin Bundage... I am sure I am missing a few.

I hope this time is different, but history is not on our side.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:42 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
3goggles wrote:One would think the fact big bro is on our team that we would have the inside track with Holmes.
One would hope, but it never seems to turn out that way when the younger brother is the more talented one.

David Fulcher... Rodney Peete... Cory Redding... Michael Philipp... Deehaun Holiday... Calvin Bundage... I am sure I am missing a few.

I hope this time is different, but history is not on our side.

If Cayman was still on the team I bet you Calvin would've commited

Footballjunkie · Post by **Footballjunkie** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:55 am

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I'm not so sure Calvin is an OKG given his last few tweets. When you know where you're going and you lead people on, ...what kind of person does that? Looks like he doesn't see the whole picture or think things out. Why burn bridges/piss people off when you don't have to? I wish him well in life only because he's Cayman's bro.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:57 pm

I don't think there is such a thing as an inside track against Bama and tOSU. also being on Keyshawn's team bodes well for Nebraska

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:24 pm

TuiTouchdown · Post by **TuiTouchdown** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:09 am

Sounds like the staff is aiming high:

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting ... 2017-class" target="_blank

As it says in the article, while we've always been early to offer the elite talent, it seems like the new staffers are approaching this class with a more aggressive attitude.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:43 pm

Lindsey is all Trogan

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:37 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Alright Chief, let's have your class wish list for next year

2017 shortlist with more to add on:

Moses Robinson
Greg Johnson
Martin Andrus
Brandon McKinney
Nathan Tilford
Jack Sears
Nick Sipe
Jaylon Redd
Aaron Banks
Taariq Johnson

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:52 pm

I put that list on Twitter and was happy to find Arizona offers to follow. I'll keep some on the low so UCLA doesn't get wind.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:05 am

Those are some nice names. Andrus will be hard to get out of LA. I think Sears is better than both Darnald and Wilson were. Tilford is highly overrated considering he's 18 in March. He's also never been the same since that Santiago game his freshmen year.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:39 pm

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:18 pm

Offers are flying like hot cakes!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:04 pm

3goggles wrote:Offers are flying like hot cakes!

Yep!

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:06 pm

Doesn't seem to be ranked by ESPN or Rivals, but decent offers.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:19 pm

Merkin wrote:Doesn't seem to be ranked by ESPN or Rivals, but decent offers.

He's decent.

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