Bear Down Wildcats

UAEebs86 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

whatisee wrote:

MrBug708 wrote:How many two stars are starting for you guys this year?

2 i believe

Scoobie and Nate Philips who everyone seems to be sleeping on for some reason

Sammy Morrison, Jamar Allah, and Derrick Turituri as well.

Also, Jake Matthews, Sir Thomas Jackson, and Parker Zellers on the two deep are all former starters and walk ons.

de Beer on the two deep is a zero star, played rugby and throws for the track team.

MrBug708 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

whatisee wrote:

MrBug708 wrote:How many two stars are starting for you guys this year?

2 i believe

Scoobie and Nate Philips who everyone seems to be sleeping on for some reason

Sammy Morrison, Jamar Allah, and Derrick Turituri as well.

So 5 starters?

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Personally I don't care if it's a 2,3,4 star contributing or starting for AZ. I already know AZ can be competitive. At this point in my Fandom, I more interested in the Rose Bowl/ Pac12 Championship results. Not perennial Rose Bowl appearances, just one. Personally, don't expect AZ to be a perennial RB team, ever. They can prove me wrong, would be ecstatic with this.

So far, AZ hasn't ever produced any of these. Until they do, personally it' too obvious and too difficult for me to ignore the Oregons, Stanfords, USCs and their recruiting class rankings. Or out of conference, the schools that have perennial top 10 classes and their results. Does anyone think those other coaches do better evaluating or developing recruits than RR/staff and get results they do by leaps and bounds and get to the RB or get championships? Doesn't it make sense they just have more talented recruits? Certainly don't think they can out-coach RR and staff. Especially the schools I listed have had multiple coaches and still went back to the RB or other. They all do better at evaluating? I personally don't believe that.

I certainly don't think those school's coaches do a better job of evaluating and developing recruits than RR and staff and achieve the results they do. It's great that AZ can find a 2 star nugget and develop. I'm cool with that. Can AZ do that and get to RB please...

Personally, feel it's about depth and not the here and there recruits that thrive that will get AZ to RB. RR has said it, would like more depth at more positions. Which tells me some recruits they evaluated not making the cut. Happens at every school. Another way, would some of the 2/3 stars mentioned that are starting be starting for other Pac12 team favorites this year? Who knows, maybe, maybe not.

Impressed that Nate Phillips a 2 star thrives in the Offense. It's a great offense. Proud I can brag about Scooby to friends. Others listed are playing for a defense that still has to prove itself. Without Scooby not sure what it would look like. Those 2/3 stars mentioned until this season (except Morrison) have played for a defense that finished closer to the bottom in FBS in some categories, Bottom half in other categories. Near the last in Pac12 in many categories. Not that impressed with that. Still a fan of theirs. Happy they're making most of their opportunities. But that's a different topic.

We'll see what happens this season.

ChooChooCat wrote:

whatisee wrote:

MrBug708 wrote:How many two stars are starting for you guys this year?

2 i believe

Scoobie and Nate Philips who everyone seems to be sleeping on for some reason

Sammy Morrison, Jamar Allah, and Derrick Turituri as well.

catinfl wrote:

MrBug708 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

whatisee wrote:

MrBug708 wrote:How many two stars are starting for you guys this year?

2 i believe

Scoobie and Nate Philips who everyone seems to be sleeping on for some reason

Sammy Morrison, Jamar Allah, and Derrick Turituri as well.

So 5 starters?

We also have only 5 starters who were 4*'s don't see the point you're making here? The fact of the matter is that the majority of our team are 3* players. It's not like he takes 10 2*'s a class either. It's usually not more than three to four guys a class.

Newportcat wrote:I wish we had recruited the 2-3 star players coker recruited to UTSA. They looked a lot better then our 2-3 star players especially on the lines.

Recruiting 2-3 star players has always worked for us considering our last outright conference title in football was in 1941....oohhhhh wait

Newportcat wrote:Well we are never going to win big unless we have great players so basically we are F@cked

Or we can keep investing in our facilities and go that route like an Oregon

But even a great coach like rich Rod can't make us great with average players especially on the o and d lines. Every year we get so exposed there in games, didn't realize this year it would be against the university of Texas..... At San Antonio

ChooChooCat wrote:I would just like to point out that Arizona landed 3 4 star defensive recruits in 2014 (Cobb, Ware, Griffin) and not a single one of them played a snap on the defensive side of the ball last night irregardless of the fact that our defense was fifty shades of sh*t. Arizona's luck with highly rated guys sucks to say the least and there's more than enough precedence to make such a statement.

CatsbyAZ wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:I would just like to point out that Arizona landed 3 4 star defensive recruits in 2014 (Cobb, Ware, Griffin) and not a single one of them played a snap on the defensive side of the ball last night irregardless of the fact that our defense was fifty shades of sh*t. Arizona's luck with highly rated guys sucks to say the least and there's more than enough precedence to make such a statement.

I was wondering that too while watching Jake Matthews and Carter Hehr get burned by WAC TEs all night. Where is the LB muscle we recruited two seasons ago? Speaking of TEs, Trevor Wood anyone? Dare I ask if any of these higher profile recruits will break free?

CatsbyAZ wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:I would just like to point out that Arizona landed 3 4 star defensive recruits in 2014 (Cobb, Ware, Griffin) and not a single one of them played a snap on the defensive side of the ball last night irregardless of the fact that our defense was fifty shades of sh*t. Arizona's luck with highly rated guys sucks to say the least and there's more than enough precedence to make such a statement.

I was wondering that too while watching Jake Matthews and Carter Hehr get burned by WAC TEs all night. Where is the LB muscle we recruited two seasons ago? Speaking of TEs, Trevor Wood anyone? Dare I ask if any of these higher profile recruits will break free?

ChooChooCat wrote:I would just like to point out that Arizona landed 3 4 star defensive recruits in 2014 (Cobb, Ware, Griffin) and not a single one of them played a snap on the defensive side of the ball last night irregardless of the fact that our defense was fifty shades of sh*t. Arizona's luck with highly rated guys sucks to say the least and there's more than enough precedence to make such a statement.

Newportcat wrote:Well we are never going to win big unless we have great players so basically we are F@cked

Or we can keep investing in our facilities and go that route like an Oregon

But even a great coach like rich Rod can't make us great with average players especially on the o and d lines. Every year we get so exposed there in games, didn't realize this year it would be against the university of Texas..... At San Antonio

ChooChooCat wrote:Honestly based on the numbers for every 4 star we've landed 2 of them haven't been worth much of shit. Look back from the Stoops era to now. I'm not for not recruiting 4 stars and above, I'm not dumb, just pointing out Arizona has terrible luck when it does land them, specifically anywhere on defense and on the OL.

UAEebs86 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Honestly based on the numbers for every 4 star we've landed 2 of them haven't been worth much of shit. Look back from the Stoops era to now. I'm not for not recruiting 4 stars and above, I'm not dumb, just pointing out Arizona has terrible luck when it does land them, specifically anywhere on defense and on the OL.

Our luck with five stars is even worse. Not that there's been many (only a few), but I think Golden is the only one who did anything. They either suck (Holmes) or never make it here (Long).

ChooChooCat wrote:Honestly based on the numbers for every 4 star we've landed 2 of them haven't been worth much of shit. Look back from the Stoops era to now. I'm not for not recruiting 4 stars and above, I'm not dumb, just pointing out Arizona has terrible luck when it does land them, specifically anywhere on defense and on the OL.

UAEebs86 wrote:This article says Scout had him as a five star:

http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2008/02 ... a-signees/

Chicat wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Honestly based on the numbers for every 4 star we've landed 2 of them haven't been worth much of shit. Look back from the Stoops era to now. I'm not for not recruiting 4 stars and above, I'm not dumb, just pointing out Arizona has terrible luck when it does land them, specifically anywhere on defense and on the OL.

I think OL and DL are the toughest to evaluate. Those guys dominate size-wise at the high school level so it's tough to determine weaknesses. With skill positions you can either throw, run, catch or you can't.

FightWildcatsFight wrote:

qwertyus wrote:

FightWildcatsFight wrote:

Sheeeeit. Fingers crossed he stays. At least here he's guaranteed a starting spot...

azcat49 wrote:I know Woods and at least one other kid stayed with us agter a Bama offer

"I asked what their interest level was because it didn't make sense to trip out there without an offer and that's when he told me they were offering me a scholarship and wanted to get me on campus. I was blown away. I talked to my mom and she's encouraging me to take the visit. I never thought I would have the opportunity to see a school like Alabama so I would love to go and check them out and see how I like it."

Allen has a strong relationshop with the Arizona staff and it will take a lot to get him off his Wildcat commitment.
"I talk to those guys all the time," Allen said. "Coach Dews is my main recruiter but I talk with all the coaches. Arizona was one of the first schools to offer me and believed in me before anyone else. I definitely feel a sense of loyalty to them because of that and I'm looking forward to getting out there for an official visit. I've been twice but the official visit will be good. I'll probably go out there with London Iakopo when they have their bye (Oct. 24) and that should be fun."

"I'm solid with Arizona but I'll see what the trips are like. USC is also coming back in the picture a little and wants me to attend their game this weekend so I'll go check them out. That's a school I liked a lot early on but like I said, I'm loyal to Arizona and it will be hard to pull me away from there."

azcat49 wrote:They need an earlier signing date, like the first week in August. I think we will keep this kid but it's pins and needles until February for sure

azcat49 wrote:At least we have that going for us, which is nice

Chicat wrote:- So, uh, I was wondering if you wanted to go to the prom you know, with me....
It's no big deal, whatever I mean, if you want.

- See, the thing is, I heard a rumor that this guy I like was gonna ask me.

- Uh huh...

- Yeah, so...I'm gonna wait and see what happens there...But that sounds great, yeah.

- Okay... So is that a yes or a no?

- I think I was very clear, Ted. If everything else falls apart, ... maybe.

- I'm gonna hold you to that!

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:To be fair with Trevor Woods and Denson examples, they had stronger ties/connections with AZ (hometown, coach, family) that kept AZ favored. Who knows what Allen will ultimately do.

Now that Alabama offered, expect other brand schools will notice (USC) and see how Allen season goes. Don't think it will be just Alabama to worry about. Sounds like Allen's mom could be a strong influence here as well.

Would assume Rich Rod and staff going to let Allen shop around and let Allen take official visits. Some would argue this goes against his policy since a Ala visit came after AZ commitment. I always thought Rich Rod was inconsistent on this policy with level/need of player. But that's me.

Let see. Helps London Iakopo already committed to AZ