Bear Down Wildcats

cats101 wrote:Not many more stats matter more than that.

cordera89 wrote:It four year in between RR and Graham. Graham had the upper hand against RR. Their really nothing to say on the matter. Let see how the next 4 year will be.

Salty wrote:If it's 1-4, he can pack his bags and leave.

6-5 season, all that matters is beating asu.

Coaching failures across the board here. This team was better than asu.

cats101 wrote:Not many more stats matter more than that.

Macho Grande wrote:RR gets a free pass from me on this one. Just way too many injuries to important players this year.

ASUHATER! wrote:And Graham is locking down in state recruiting

Macho Grande wrote:RR gets a free pass from me on this one. Just way too many injuries to important players this year.

cats101 wrote:

cordera89 wrote:It four year in between RR and Graham. Graham had the upper hand against RR. Their really nothing to say on the matter. Let see how the next 4 year will be.

Have you seen the recent recruiting?

Merkin wrote:Right on cue...

cats101 wrote:Not many more stats matter more than that.

0-4 v. UCLA is almost there. RR has always sucked against rivals. 0-3 v. tOSU, and 0-3 v. MSU while at UM.

So 1-9 in rival games.

Macho Grande wrote:RR gets a free pass from me on this one. Just way too many injuries to important players this year.

That is true, but last year the defense was still 110th with healthy players, among them one of the best in the business.

3goggles wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:And Graham is locking down in state recruiting

If we won this game it wouldn't have changed that. We obviously need to keep kicking that door down but we need to get hitting SoCal hard.

3goggles wrote: Yeah and that worked for us last year what's your point? Of course we want a better defense if they can just be around 60 in the nation big things will happen for us

ASUHATER! wrote:And Graham is locking down in state recruiting

Irish27 wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:And Graham is locking down in state recruiting

Who cares about in-state recruits? There is way better taleny outside the state. Rich Rod won the South last year with talent that was not as good as the other teams. People here think the football program is on the same level as USC and Oregon, but they aren't and probably never will be. RichRod is a very good coach and we are lucky to have him. Let him build the program his way.

cordera89 wrote:

Irish27 wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:And Graham is locking down in state recruiting

Who cares about in-state recruits? There is way better taleny outside the state. Rich Rod won the South last year with talent that was not as good as the other teams. People here think the football program is on the same level as USC and Oregon, but they aren't and probably never will be. RichRod is a very good coach and we are lucky to have him. Let him build the program his way.

Mostly the top in state recruit in Arizona would never consider UA or ASU because all of the Big time school sweep them always.

UA and ASU can only steal a small portion of Arizona recruit. California is the main recruiting base for both school and that were we get our talent from.

Harvey Specter wrote: I'd love to hear when it will start to matter, because it matters to me now.

Harvey Specter wrote:

cordera89 wrote:

Irish27 wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:And Graham is locking down in state recruiting

Who cares about in-state recruits? There is way better taleny outside the state. Rich Rod won the South last year with talent that was not as good as the other teams. People here think the football program is on the same level as USC and Oregon, but they aren't and probably never will be. RichRod is a very good coach and we are lucky to have him. Let him build the program his way.

Mostly the top in state recruit in Arizona would never consider UA or ASU because all of the Big time school sweep them always.

UA and ASU can only steal a small portion of Arizona recruit. California is the main recruiting base for both school and that were we get our talent from.

It has always been difficult... We got Greathouse and McGill in (I believe) consecutive years back in the 80's... at the same position.

I am sick and f*cking tired of excuses. ASU is kicking our ass in AZ recruiting, and that is on the respective staffs. FIGURE IT OUT... that is what they are paid for. Winners find a way to persevere. This is not curing cancer we are talking about.

Salty wrote: This team was better than asu.

Harvey Specter wrote:
Does RR get a pass until 2020? Does he need 2 full recruiting cycles? I'd love to hear when it will start to matter, because it matters to me now.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:
Does RR get a pass until 2020? Does he need 2 full recruiting cycles? I'd love to hear when it will start to matter, because it matters to me now.

Genuinely this is the only question that matters: Could Arizona get anybody that could do a better job than Rodriguez has through his first 4 years? If the answer is yes then of course RR does not get a pass remotely that long. If the answer is no then we're just wasting buyout money that we could be using to help build an indoor facility.

Honestly if you name me a guy we could get that would do better than 32-20 in his first four years at Arizona I'd be all aboard that bandwagon. I'm far from convinced he exists though.

PHXCATS wrote:Some of our fans are sad and pathetic. Refuse to do what it takes on their end to make Arizona a winner but just bitch and complain the whole time and never take anything into perspective.

And this hillbilly comment was so wrong but expected from our fan base. But at least we are not asu right?

Harvey Specter wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:Some of our fans are sad and pathetic. Refuse to do what it takes on their end to make Arizona a winner but just bitch and complain the whole time and never take anything into perspective.

And this hillbilly comment was so wrong but expected from our fan base. But at least we are not asu right?

What the hell does this mean? Demonstrate fan support that is commensurate with what the Sundevil faithful display? I'd say that mission is accomplished with high marks.

If you want to try and pin the current problems on the fans then you are out to lunch.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:
Does RR get a pass until 2020? Does he need 2 full recruiting cycles? I'd love to hear when it will start to matter, because it matters to me now.

Genuinely this is the only question that matters: Could Arizona get anybody that could do a better job than Rodriguez has through his first 4 years? If the answer is yes then of course RR does not get a pass remotely that long. If the answer is no then we're just wasting buyout money that we could be using to help build an indoor facility.

Honestly if you name me a guy we could get that would do better than 32-20 in his first four years at Arizona I'd be all aboard that bandwagon. I'm far from convinced he exists though.

PHXCATS wrote:HS our numbers of giving to athletics and to the school in general are amount the lowest in the conference and of power 5 schools. With all that I think our football program has done well. Now despite what the uniformed guy says what I say, even though he gets proven wrong and never backs it up, like UCLA and Simon transfer rumors or in the attendance thread, fan donations and attendance does not mean you automatically win but it sure helps a whole lot.

It was a bad year with tons of injuries and bad breaks that we were on the positive end on last year, and look how much bitching is going on. That was the reason for my comment. 1-3 sucks but I have perspective and I am damn proud of the job RR did and how the team showed so much fight and heart.

UALoco wrote:It is understandable to be frustrated with the outcome this season. I don't understand anti RR rhetoric though. We are only one year away from winning the P12 South with a team with questionable talent, did you forget that already? RR has been able to do "more with less" here and I don't see a viable option who is willing to come down here and who would have been able to do better. Most of the popular coaching names out there have been blessed with uncanny talent and are riding their top players to new jobs and better pay. I doubt they would be able to get a better result here. Also, there are so many good jobs out there and more are gonna open up, who do we think we'd feasibly pick up? Do we think we'd find someone who could recruit better? Face it, Tucson is not a football town, it is not a destination for great coaches or great players. I was at ASsU last night, the crowd was huge, the Mill area scene does make Tucson look bad, the Tempe Town lake development is impressive, the light rail swings right by the stadium. I got to say, I am jealous of their situation. If it wasn't for the scum bag devil fans, I would spend more time down there. I will say our Tailgate on the mall is way better. I think we need to be more patience, more supportive. I'd hate to end up with another Mackovic or another Stoops. He is 32 - 20 (18 - 19) so far. Not spectacular but not terrible for Arizona Football. I'd be gutted if RR left.

Harvey Specter wrote:

UALoco wrote:It is understandable to be frustrated with the outcome this season. I don't understand anti RR rhetoric though. We are only one year away from winning the P12 South with a team with questionable talent, did you forget that already? RR has been able to do "more with less" here and I don't see a viable option who is willing to come down here and who would have been able to do better. Most of the popular coaching names out there have been blessed with uncanny talent and are riding their top players to new jobs and better pay. I doubt they would be able to get a better result here. Also, there are so many good jobs out there and more are gonna open up, who do we think we'd feasibly pick up? Do we think we'd find someone who could recruit better? Face it, Tucson is not a football town, it is not a destination for great coaches or great players. I was at ASsU last night, the crowd was huge, the Mill area scene does make Tucson look bad, the Tempe Town lake development is impressive, the light rail swings right by the stadium. I got to say, I am jealous of their situation. If it wasn't for the scum bag devil fans, I would spend more time down there. I will say our Tailgate on the mall is way better. I think we need to be more patience, more supportive. I'd hate to end up with another Mackovic or another Stoops. He is 32 - 20 (18 - 19) so far. Not spectacular but not terrible for Arizona Football. I'd be gutted if RR left.

1. The problem is we keep having less that we try to do more with. That is not a winning strategy.Their no problem with RR and Arizona ok. If your trying to say that Arizona should be attracting high level recruit then you need to check yourself big time. UAloco is right on one thing Arizona isn't a football town like a lot other school.

2. Don't judge the atmosphere at ASU based on the Territorial Cup; the environment in Tucson is typically just as rabid and impressive. That game is not representative of typical fan support at either venue.How many games has ASU fan went and stay thru entire game. While our fan will come and leave when things go wrong in hurry, I don't see ASU fan thinking of basketball season right always like UA fan do.

3. ASU has some appealing factors to their environment, no doubt. So do we, and different things appeal to different people - I doubt Tusclaoosa or Columbus have anything to compare, and ASU is not stealing recruits from those schools. All the things you say about Tucson not being a "football town, recruit or coach destination, etc"... Those are true, and they would also be true about BB if we did not already have a winning tradition.

We need a home run hire who wants to be here if we are ever going to take that step. It might never happen, for many of the reasons you state. But I am not ready to accept that we are destined to be ASU's understudy because of Mill Ave and Tempe Town Lake.

cordera89 wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:

UALoco wrote:It is understandable to be frustrated with the outcome this season. I don't understand anti RR rhetoric though. We are only one year away from winning the P12 South with a team with questionable talent, did you forget that already? RR has been able to do "more with less" here and I don't see a viable option who is willing to come down here and who would have been able to do better. Most of the popular coaching names out there have been blessed with uncanny talent and are riding their top players to new jobs and better pay. I doubt they would be able to get a better result here. Also, there are so many good jobs out there and more are gonna open up, who do we think we'd feasibly pick up? Do we think we'd find someone who could recruit better? Face it, Tucson is not a football town, it is not a destination for great coaches or great players. I was at ASsU last night, the crowd was huge, the Mill area scene does make Tucson look bad, the Tempe Town lake development is impressive, the light rail swings right by the stadium. I got to say, I am jealous of their situation. If it wasn't for the scum bag devil fans, I would spend more time down there. I will say our Tailgate on the mall is way better. I think we need to be more patience, more supportive. I'd hate to end up with another Mackovic or another Stoops. He is 32 - 20 (18 - 19) so far. Not spectacular but not terrible for Arizona Football. I'd be gutted if RR left.

1. The problem is we keep having less that we try to do more with. That is not a winning strategy.Their no problem with RR and Arizona ok. If your trying to say that Arizona should be attracting high level recruit then you need to check yourself big time. UAloco is right on one thing Arizona isn't a football town like a lot other school.

2. Don't judge the atmosphere at ASU based on the Territorial Cup; the environment in Tucson is typically just as rabid and impressive. That game is not representative of typical fan support at either venue.How many games has ASU fan went and stay thru entire game. While our fan will come and leave when things go wrong in hurry, I don't see ASU fan thinking of basketball season right always like UA fan do.

3. ASU has some appealing factors to their environment, no doubt. So do we, and different things appeal to different people - I doubt Tusclaoosa or Columbus have anything to compare, and ASU is not stealing recruits from those schools. All the things you say about Tucson not being a "football town, recruit or coach destination, etc"... Those are true, and they would also be true about BB if we did not already have a winning tradition.

We need a home run hire who wants to be here if we are ever going to take that step. It might never happen, for many of the reasons you state. But I am not ready to accept that we are destined to be ASU's understudy because of Mill Ave and Tempe Town Lake.

A who do you think that can do better than RR. We don't need another coach to set us back, RR isn't going to leave or take another jobs. He going to coach our team next season with all of his player. Your expectation is set way too high this year while everyone else set their lower.

cordera89 wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:

UALoco wrote:It is understandable to be frustrated with the outcome this season. I don't understand anti RR rhetoric though. We are only one year away from winning the P12 South with a team with questionable talent, did you forget that already? RR has been able to do "more with less" here and I don't see a viable option who is willing to come down here and who would have been able to do better. Most of the popular coaching names out there have been blessed with uncanny talent and are riding their top players to new jobs and better pay. I doubt they would be able to get a better result here. Also, there are so many good jobs out there and more are gonna open up, who do we think we'd feasibly pick up? Do we think we'd find someone who could recruit better? Face it, Tucson is not a football town, it is not a destination for great coaches or great players. I was at ASsU last night, the crowd was huge, the Mill area scene does make Tucson look bad, the Tempe Town lake development is impressive, the light rail swings right by the stadium. I got to say, I am jealous of their situation. If it wasn't for the scum bag devil fans, I would spend more time down there. I will say our Tailgate on the mall is way better. I think we need to be more patience, more supportive. I'd hate to end up with another Mackovic or another Stoops. He is 32 - 20 (18 - 19) so far. Not spectacular but not terrible for Arizona Football. I'd be gutted if RR left.

1. The problem is we keep having less that we try to do more with. That is not a winning strategy.Their no problem with RR and Arizona ok. If your trying to say that Arizona should be attracting high level recruit then you need to check yourself big time. UAloco is right on one thing Arizona isn't a football town like a lot other school.

2. Don't judge the atmosphere at ASU based on the Territorial Cup; the environment in Tucson is typically just as rabid and impressive. That game is not representative of typical fan support at either venue.How many games has ASU fan went and stay thru entire game. While our fan will come and leave when things go wrong in hurry, I don't see ASU fan thinking of basketball season right always like UA fan do.

3. ASU has some appealing factors to their environment, no doubt. So do we, and different things appeal to different people - I doubt Tusclaoosa or Columbus have anything to compare, and ASU is not stealing recruits from those schools. All the things you say about Tucson not being a "football town, recruit or coach destination, etc"... Those are true, and they would also be true about BB if we did not already have a winning tradition.

We need a home run hire who wants to be here if we are ever going to take that step. It might never happen, for many of the reasons you state. But I am not ready to accept that we are destined to be ASU's understudy because of Mill Ave and Tempe Town Lake.

A who do you think that can do better than RR. We don't need another coach to set us back, RR isn't going to leave or take another jobs. He going to coach our team next season with all of his player. Your expectation is set way too high this year while everyone else set their lower.

Harvey Specter wrote:

cordera89 wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:

UALoco wrote:It is understandable to be frustrated with the outcome this season. I don't understand anti RR rhetoric though. We are only one year away from winning the P12 South with a team with questionable talent, did you forget that already? RR has been able to do "more with less" here and I don't see a viable option who is willing to come down here and who would have been able to do better. Most of the popular coaching names out there have been blessed with uncanny talent and are riding their top players to new jobs and better pay. I doubt they would be able to get a better result here. Also, there are so many good jobs out there and more are gonna open up, who do we think we'd feasibly pick up? Do we think we'd find someone who could recruit better? Face it, Tucson is not a football town, it is not a destination for great coaches or great players. I was at ASsU last night, the crowd was huge, the Mill area scene does make Tucson look bad, the Tempe Town lake development is impressive, the light rail swings right by the stadium. I got to say, I am jealous of their situation. If it wasn't for the scum bag devil fans, I would spend more time down there. I will say our Tailgate on the mall is way better. I think we need to be more patience, more supportive. I'd hate to end up with another Mackovic or another Stoops. He is 32 - 20 (18 - 19) so far. Not spectacular but not terrible for Arizona Football. I'd be gutted if RR left.

1. The problem is we keep having less that we try to do more with. That is not a winning strategy.Their no problem with RR and Arizona ok. If your trying to say that Arizona should be attracting high level recruit then you need to check yourself big time. UAloco is right on one thing Arizona isn't a football town like a lot other school.

2. Don't judge the atmosphere at ASU based on the Territorial Cup; the environment in Tucson is typically just as rabid and impressive. That game is not representative of typical fan support at either venue.How many games has ASU fan went and stay thru entire game. While our fan will come and leave when things go wrong in hurry, I don't see ASU fan thinking of basketball season right always like UA fan do.

3. ASU has some appealing factors to their environment, no doubt. So do we, and different things appeal to different people - I doubt Tusclaoosa or Columbus have anything to compare, and ASU is not stealing recruits from those schools. All the things you say about Tucson not being a "football town, recruit or coach destination, etc"... Those are true, and they would also be true about BB if we did not already have a winning tradition.

We need a home run hire who wants to be here if we are ever going to take that step. It might never happen, for many of the reasons you state. But I am not ready to accept that we are destined to be ASU's understudy because of Mill Ave and Tempe Town Lake.

A who do you think that can do better than RR. We don't need another coach to set us back, RR isn't going to leave or take another jobs. He going to coach our team next season with all of his player. Your expectation is set way too high this year while everyone else set their lower.

If you are going to tell me that ASU fans sport their program better than ours do through thick and thin, then you have no idea what you are talking about. It's a low bar, admittedly, but if they all stay for the entire game it is because they have a chance to win a close game or are kicking the snot out of an opponent that the fans want to beat badly (marquee game or rival).Harvey telling me that I have no idea of what I'm talking is low. I don't see ASU fan jumping on the BBall bandwagon when their football cant win for cries sack like our fans are doing now. Why haven't our football never be a full house even if most of the game were play during the hot sunny day. Why cant our fans stay for all four quarter to support the program regardless of the situation their in. I will support our football program regardless of the record.

They don't talk about BB because their program sucks. They either talk about the Cardinals or move on to other things outside of sports.

cordera89 wrote:Harvey the only think I care is us having a winning season. I really don't care as much of the conference since that been trend now a days now. It doesn't show me why it really matter. Do other teams in Power five conference care just about conference record instead of overall record if the team has a winning season. Despite that our division is loaded with two LA powerhouse, One mid major growing up, Our brothers down the road still going to be competitive no matter what, And Doormat team cant fine ways to win.

Harvey I don't care what Graham is doing at his program, I don't care if he on the rise or on the low. The only thing that matter to us is RR and Arizona. I mean you can say what every want but what matter is that we had a good season.

UA and ASU were in comparable states program-wise when Turd and RR were hired. I think ASU is moving ahead of us, and not many outside of our fanbase would disagree with that opinion You believe that UA and ASU were in comparable state with both them took over. Ok Graham took fast route of winning with JC, RR took rebuilding route long term, it doesn't prove that one is better than other. Both school our four year of winning season, both school has capture a south division title, both had at least a 10 win season, and both had a some what a disappointed season.

Like I we all said before something has change within the defense staff or something has to give at this point to even forward in which I don't think RR will leave because it. If RR does fire Casteel? who will he bring in is the question. If he keep Casteel, then Casteel is going to be fighting for his job to make improvement.

Harvey Specter wrote:
1. The problem is we keep having less that we try to do more with. That is not a winning strategy.

2. Don't judge the atmosphere at ASU based on the Territorial Cup; the environment in Tucson is typically just as rabid and impressive. That game is not representative of typical fan support at either venue.

3. ASU has some appealing factors to their environment, no doubt. So do we, and different things appeal to different people - I doubt Tusclaoosa or Columbus have anything to compare, and ASU is not stealing recruits from those schools. All the things you say about Tucson not being a "football town, recruit or coach destination, etc"... Those are true, and they would also be true about BB if we did not already have a winning tradition.

We need a home run hire who wants to be here if we are ever going to take that step. It might never happen, for many of the reasons you state. But I am not ready to accept that we are destined to be ASU's understudy because of Mill Ave and Tempe Town Lake.

Harvey Specter wrote:

cordera89 wrote:Harvey the only think I care is us having a winning season. I really don't care as much of the conference since that been trend now a days now. It doesn't show me why it really matter. Do other teams in Power five conference care just about conference record instead of overall record if the team has a winning season. Despite that our division is loaded with two LA powerhouse, One mid major growing up, Our brothers down the road still going to be competitive no matter what, And Doormat team cant fine ways to win.

Harvey I don't care what Graham is doing at his program, I don't care if he on the rise or on the low. The only thing that matter to us is RR and Arizona. I mean you can say what every want but what matter is that we had a good season.

UA and ASU were in comparable states program-wise when Turd and RR were hired. I think ASU is moving ahead of us, and not many outside of our fanbase would disagree with that opinion You believe that UA and ASU were in comparable state with both them took over. Ok Graham took fast route of winning with JC, RR took rebuilding route long term, it doesn't prove that one is better than other. Both school our four year of winning season, both school has capture a south division title, both had at least a 10 win season, and both had a some what a disappointed season.

Like I we all said before something has change within the defense staff or something has to give at this point to even forward in which I don't think RR will leave because it. If RR does fire Casteel? who will he bring in is the question. If he keep Casteel, then Casteel is going to be fighting for his job to make improvement.

Then by your measure we should move to the Mountain West... I am sure we will have a winning record every year.

Geez....