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Your response reflects how every objective Cat fan reacts to one of your Kool-Aid Brigade homer takes.whatisee wrote:
That would be an odd move from a PR perspective. But I realize this is a classic CST knee-jerk reaction/venting take. Not that you actually want Heeke to set himself up as the guy who no one wants to work for because he's as emotional and impulsive as ..... well, ..... you.CalStateTempe wrote:Fire RR
And that's exactly who we are, and who we have always been.scumdevils86 wrote:We have a 53% winning percentage since joining the Pac, good for an average of 6.3 wins and 5.4 losses a year. That's 39 seasons. We've won more than 8 games 4 times in those 39 seasons. We just are what we are.
We won by 38. I share your doubt that it will transition into better opponents, but we'll see. RR's performance will work itself out in terms of his future.CalStateTempe wrote:Of course don't fire him after one game, that would be a pr disaster.
However the writing is on the wall and this team is terrible.
I don't feel the need to have to wait 4-5 games to say that.
Do you really not see the issues laid bare last night as huge problems?TuiTouchdown wrote:Jesus Christ guys. We won. Let's hold off until it's deserved. Sure it was a poor defensive performance. Wonder what the state of the meltdown would be if you were ASU or USC fans.
Yeah I do. But you don't fire a coach after a commanding win. Plus a lot of our D were freshman and first time playing college ball. Which speaks to a larger problem, sure. But save it for a loss.ASUHATER! wrote:Do you really not see the issues laid bare last night as huge problems?TuiTouchdown wrote:Jesus Christ guys. We won. Let's hold off until it's deserved. Sure it was a poor defensive performance. Wonder what the state of the meltdown would be if you were ASU or USC fans.
TuiTouchdown wrote:Yeah I do. But you don't fire a coach after a commanding win. Plus a lot of our D were freshman and first time playing college ball. Which speaks to a larger problem, sure. But save it for a loss.ASUHATER! wrote:Do you really not see the issues laid bare last night as huge problems?TuiTouchdown wrote:Jesus Christ guys. We won. Let's hold off until it's deserved. Sure it was a poor defensive performance. Wonder what the state of the meltdown would be if you were ASU or USC fans.
NAU's offense had 4 3 and outs.Merkin wrote:No 3 and outs against a FCS team.
UA offense had a 3 and out on their very first series.
We had one win in the Pac last year. We weren't going to be better than Bama. I've said it before, but either we improve and RR can stay, or we stay mired and he should get the ax.ASUHATER! wrote:Do you really not see the issues laid bare last night as huge problems?TuiTouchdown wrote:Jesus Christ guys. We won. Let's hold off until it's deserved. Sure it was a poor defensive performance. Wonder what the state of the meltdown would be if you were ASU or USC fans.
Lost the locker room? You got some info we don't know about, chief??ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
He doesn't have shit. Never does. Talks out of his ass.wyo-cat wrote:Lost the locker room? You got some info we don't know about, chief??ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
There's posts and threads on this very board about it already. Not going to do your reading for you.wyo-cat wrote:Lost the locker room? You got some info we don't know about, chief??ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
wyo-cat wrote:Lost the locker room? You got some info we don't know about, chief??ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
ASUHATER! wrote:There's posts and threads on this very board about it already. Not going to do your reading for you.wyo-cat wrote:Lost the locker room? You got some info we don't know about, chief??ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
There's someone who goes down after practice nearly every day to help the OLine get in extra work. They actually request his help and he gives it for free. Does that sound like a team that has quit for the season after one game?ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
tgrumpy2 wrote:ASUHATER! wrote:There's posts and threads on this very board about it already. Not going to do your reading for you.wyo-cat wrote:Lost the locker room? You got some info we don't know about, chief??ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
Yea I read some post by someone using the nick flyonthewall or something to that affect. Going on and on about how he had talked to a bunch of parents and they had all these concerns and how RR had lost the locker room. At the time it sounded like a Chiefzona post throwing out all kinds of innuendo without one verifiable fact in it. The entire story sounded fabricated to be honest. Now I'm 99% sure it was Chief and sounds to me like just more of the same crap he always throws out.
Well 9 wins is a massive improvement and makes RR definitely worthy of holding on to his job. Hell he's only had 9 wins in a season one time during his tenure here, so needless to say that'd be one hell of a questionable time to let him go. Either way he won't come close to that win total this year.ASUHATER! wrote:My opinion is my opinion and I'm certainly nothing like the chode that is chief. My opinion is simply that even if we win 9 games this year RR needs to go.
ASUHATER! wrote:There's posts and threads on this very board about it already. Not going to do your reading for you.wyo-cat wrote:Lost the locker room? You got some info we don't know about, chief??ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
chiefzona wrote:tgrumpy2 wrote:ASUHATER! wrote:There's posts and threads on this very board about it already. Not going to do your reading for you.wyo-cat wrote:Lost the locker room? You got some info we don't know about, chief??ASUHATER! wrote:Even if we improve some this year he should be fired. Talent level is shit, fans don't care and RR has lost the locker room and doesn't care.
Yea I read some post by someone using the nick flyonthewall or something to that affect. Going on and on about how he had talked to a bunch of parents and they had all these concerns and how RR had lost the locker room. At the time it sounded like a Chiefzona post throwing out all kinds of innuendo without one verifiable fact in it. The entire story sounded fabricated to be honest. Now I'm 99% sure it was Chief and sounds to me like just more of the same crap he always throws out.[
If I did that it would be through me. I've never hid anything and I would not start now when RR is almost on his way out. Parents are always pissed off no matter what is going on. RR has not lost the locker room.
I had to look up chode and once I did, I realized you're far more of a chode than him.ASUHATER! wrote:My opinion is my opinion and I'm certainly nothing like the chode that is chief. My opinion is simply that even if we win 9 games this year RR needs to go.
This opinion is bizarre to me. If winning 9 games won't save him, why are we delaying it? On the off chance we make the national playoffs?ASUHATER! wrote:My opinion is my opinion and I'm certainly nothing like the chode that is chief. My opinion is simply that even if we win 9 games this year RR needs to go.
Really a good post, EV, but I think 4 Pac wins will be hard to find. I'll tell you this though: you're such a good salesman I'd settle for 3.EVCat wrote:If we win 9 games with this team, I will buy a Samaje Grant t-shirt to help fund RR's statue outside the stadium.
If he wins 8, I might still make a bust myself out of play-doh.
If he wins 7, I will welcome him back with open arms, because he is the same coach that ran us straight up from the firing of Stoops to 10 wins and a Fiesta Bowl, and I understand he was too late in properly assessing/shitcanning his long time friend Casteel, and he flirted too much with South Carolina. But I also understand some of this shit has been incredibly unlucky, like the Scooby injury and then the injury to everyone who had ever played Scooby's position going back to middle school, and playing UW into OT with our 3rd string RB, and the 7,000 concussions our All Freshman QB took, and how we had, at one point, a 4th string QB handing off to a 5th string WR converted to RB last year, then how a carpetbagging POS came into the program to coordinate recruiting of a class that was already looking to be one of our best, then bailed without one completed class, causing an entire year of recruiting at a crucial time after we discovered how far that had slipped during Casteel just float away.
So some of this is self-inflicted. Some of this is some incredible shit timing. And I still think RR would be a perfect coach for this program if he were not our current coach and were available. But these things did happen under him, he did lose sight of what was going on with recruiting and defense, he did cause a lack of loyalty on staff and with commits by flirting with other jobs in back-to-back years, so this is, other than the injuries, his problem, and he has to go if he cannot turn it around right now.
But, damn...he went straight up from Stoops, took us to back to back wins over Oregon when that still mattered (we beat Mariotta twice...caused his first turnover of his final season), had bowl seasons with 3 different QBs including BJ Frickin Denker, got us to the major bowl mix in year 3 with a freshman QB and sophomore D leader...then lost both (and lost them forever, Scooby to the NFL, Anu to repeated head injuries and an unwillingness to run in an offense that requires the threat of a QB to run), and the wheels fell off the bus, first in a lower bowl disappointment in follow up to a 10 win season, then in last year's fiasco.
But, shit...if he can win, why would we want him gone? Is this some style of play bullshit, like those who want Miller gone because his offense isn't fast enough or he doesn't play zone? If RichRod wins, why the hell would we want him to leave?
I don't see him as Satan. I see him as someone whose hubris got in his way, and by the time he got an idea of what was wrong, it was probably too late, even as he fired his friend. His survival was likely based on the 2017 class that looked so good a year ago. The blow he took with losing Williams was probably the fatal one. But if he can figure out how to survive this season and win? I think 6-6 or lower ends him. But better than that? We have to consider what that would mean...because it would require 4 wins in the PAC with our schedule this year.
Great, great, GREAT post! Sums it up exactly. Glad somebody put together exactly how I feel with just one small disagreement: 6-6 means a bowl game and that should mean another year with us. I'm pulling for this team to surprise us and for RR to stay.EVCat wrote:If we win 9 games with this team, I will buy a Samaje Grant t-shirt to help fund RR's statue outside the stadium.
If he wins 8, I might still make a bust myself out of play-doh.
If he wins 7, I will welcome him back with open arms, because he is the same coach that ran us straight up from the firing of Stoops to 10 wins and a Fiesta Bowl, and I understand he was too late in properly assessing/shitcanning his long time friend Casteel, and he flirted too much with South Carolina. But I also understand some of this shit has been incredibly unlucky, like the Scooby injury and then the injury to everyone who had ever played Scooby's position going back to middle school, and playing UW into OT with our 3rd string RB, and the 7,000 concussions our All Freshman QB took, and how we had, at one point, a 4th string QB handing off to a 5th string WR converted to RB last year, then how a carpetbagging POS came into the program to coordinate recruiting of a class that was already looking to be one of our best, then bailed without one completed class, causing an entire year of recruiting at a crucial time after we discovered how far that had slipped during Casteel just float away.
So some of this is self-inflicted. Some of this is some incredible shit timing. And I still think RR would be a perfect coach for this program if he were not our current coach and were available. But these things did happen under him, he did lose sight of what was going on with recruiting and defense, he did cause a lack of loyalty on staff and with commits by flirting with other jobs in back-to-back years, so this is, other than the injuries, his problem, and he has to go if he cannot turn it around right now.
But, damn...he went straight up from Stoops, took us to back to back wins over Oregon when that still mattered (we beat Mariotta twice...caused his first turnover of his final season), had bowl seasons with 3 different QBs including BJ Frickin Denker, got us to the major bowl mix in year 3 with a freshman QB and sophomore D leader...then lost both (and lost them forever, Scooby to the NFL, Anu to repeated head injuries and an unwillingness to run in an offense that requires the threat of a QB to run), and the wheels fell off the bus, first in a lower bowl disappointment in follow up to a 10 win season, then in last year's fiasco.
But, shit...if he can win, why would we want him gone? Is this some style of play bullshit, like those who want Miller gone because his offense isn't fast enough or he doesn't play zone? If RichRod wins, why the hell would we want him to leave?
I don't see him as Satan. I see him as someone whose hubris got in his way, and by the time he got an idea of what was wrong, it was probably too late, even as he fired his friend. His survival was likely based on the 2017 class that looked so good a year ago. The blow he took with losing Williams was probably the fatal one. But if he can figure out how to survive this season and win? I think 6-6 or lower ends him. But better than that? We have to consider what that would mean...because it would require 4 wins in the PAC with our schedule this year.
This is a good post, and about where I am at. He has done some really good things here. He's also presided over a slide. This year is about where we are headed. If he recovers and points thing in the right direction, ok. If the issues that have gutted us recur, then it's time to part.EVCat wrote:If we win 9 games with this team, I will buy a Samaje Grant t-shirt to help fund RR's statue outside the stadium.
If he wins 8, I might still make a bust myself out of play-doh.
If he wins 7, I will welcome him back with open arms, because he is the same coach that ran us straight up from the firing of Stoops to 10 wins and a Fiesta Bowl, and I understand he was too late in properly assessing/shitcanning his long time friend Casteel, and he flirted too much with South Carolina. But I also understand some of this shit has been incredibly unlucky, like the Scooby injury and then the injury to everyone who had ever played Scooby's position going back to middle school, and playing UW into OT with our 3rd string RB, and the 7,000 concussions our All Freshman QB took, and how we had, at one point, a 4th string QB handing off to a 5th string WR converted to RB last year, then how a carpetbagging POS came into the program to coordinate recruiting of a class that was already looking to be one of our best, then bailed without one completed class, causing an entire year of recruiting at a crucial time after we discovered how far that had slipped during Casteel just float away.
So some of this is self-inflicted. Some of this is some incredible shit timing. And I still think RR would be a perfect coach for this program if he were not our current coach and were available. But these things did happen under him, he did lose sight of what was going on with recruiting and defense, he did cause a lack of loyalty on staff and with commits by flirting with other jobs in back-to-back years, so this is, other than the injuries, his problem, and he has to go if he cannot turn it around right now.
But, damn...he went straight up from Stoops, took us to back to back wins over Oregon when that still mattered (we beat Mariotta twice...caused his first turnover of his final season), had bowl seasons with 3 different QBs including BJ Frickin Denker, got us to the major bowl mix in year 3 with a freshman QB and sophomore D leader...then lost both (and lost them forever, Scooby to the NFL, Anu to repeated head injuries and an unwillingness to run in an offense that requires the threat of a QB to run), and the wheels fell off the bus, first in a lower bowl disappointment in follow up to a 10 win season, then in last year's fiasco.
But, shit...if he can win, why would we want him gone? Is this some style of play bullshit, like those who want Miller gone because his offense isn't fast enough or he doesn't play zone? If RichRod wins, why the hell would we want him to leave?
I don't see him as Satan. I see him as someone whose hubris got in his way, and by the time he got an idea of what was wrong, it was probably too late, even as he fired his friend. His survival was likely based on the 2017 class that looked so good a year ago. The blow he took with losing Williams was probably the fatal one. But if he can figure out how to survive this season and win? I think 6-6 or lower ends him. But better than that? We have to consider what that would mean...because it would require 4 wins in the PAC with our schedule this year.