NAU @ Arizona discussion thread

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:20 pm

OK, I guess we have to have this thread.

Discuss.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:27 pm

We win, probably...

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:47 pm

House divided

My son goes to UofA, and my daughter goes to NAU.

Although I don't think either one gives a rat's ass at this point.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:49 pm

NAU has a 5th year QB who can throw it. We had a full off season to prepare for Hawaii and only two weeks for NAU. That said, in front of 33,256

NAU 72
AZ 24

prh · Post by **prh** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:54 pm

azgreg wrote:OK, I guess we have to have this thread.

Discuss.

Do we? Are we sure?

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:35 pm

If Tate can run and our defense limits them to 65 points I think we can pull the upset.

RichardCranium · Post by **RichardCranium** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:15 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:House divided

My son goes to UofA, and my daughter goes to NAU.

Although I don't think either one gives a rat's ass at this point.

Person united.

I went to NAU freshman year and then UA after that.

I want both to do well, but UA is just too big for NAU.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:54 pm

If we somehow manage to lose this game, just cancel the rest of the season.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:32 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:If we somehow manage to lose this game, just cancel the rest of the season.

UA will win by 30 plus

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:41 am

What's with all the downer talk? This could be our only win of the season.... let's enjoy it! Then lets donate all of our income to the Arizona Athletic Department to show them how much we love and respect them!!!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:00 am

I just hope we don't lose.

I'm gonna wait for markers like actual progress. Right now, avoiding embarassment is first up.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:57 am

A real issue is many of the fans I speak to just have very little confidence in this staff. Avoiding embarrassment is an accurate sentiment for this game. I really think by the end of the year the erosion of this fan base will be at epic proportions.

We won’t beat TT, CU and probably OSU as thought. Spiff said this might be our only win but I think we can beat UCLA as long as they don’t find a QB. To think that most programs get a big bump in year 2 of a coaching staff change. We continue to spiral down the drain with Mr Excitement and his staff. Sad sad sad

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:45 am

Its an awful situation and schadenfreude doesn’t make it any better . . . but UCLA is in year two, too.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:51 am

Here's how I'd summarize out offensive philosophy: year 2 of jamming a square peg into a round hole.

I assume our defensive philosophy involves a lot of prayers. I don't know why we'd have any confidence in the staff. You don't see evolution or development in players or scheme. They run the same stuff regardless of personnel and keep the players in a fairly constant state of semi-preparation and semi-focus.

It's my biggest issue with Sumlin. What are some markers we're building something? I don't see much building, just doing the same thing and hoping it works better than last time.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:03 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Here's how I'd summarize out offensive philosophy: year 2 of jamming a square peg into a round hole.

I assume our defensive philosophy involves a lot of prayers. I don't know why we'd have any confidence in the staff. You don't see evolution or development in players or scheme. They run the same stuff regardless of personnel and keep the players in a fairly constant state of semi-preparation and semi-focus.

It's my biggest issue with Sumlin. What are some markers we're building something? I don't see much building, just doing the same thing and hoping it works better than last time.

Exactly this. Which is why I keep saying they're just hoping to collect a paycheck for 3 years then get fired. Just coasting. But God damnit you better buy season tickets and donate a 10% tithe to the AD! Support those grifters!

prh · Post by **prh** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:14 am

Remember when all the players wanted Yates as HC?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:40 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Here's how I'd summarize out offensive philosophy: year 2 of jamming a square peg into a round hole.

I assume our defensive philosophy involves a lot of prayers. I don't know why we'd have any confidence in the staff. You don't see evolution or development in players or scheme. They run the same stuff regardless of personnel and keep the players in a fairly constant state of semi-preparation and semi-focus.

It's my biggest issue with Sumlin. What are some markers we're building something? I don't see much building, just doing the same thing and hoping it works better than last time.

We're building towards nothing, but digging ourselves an even bigger hole than Mike Stoops dug us out of.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:58 am

Let's try to look at this in another way. What if.....stay with me here.....what if Hawaii's offense turns out to be all world this year? What if they light up everybody just like they did us? They are all god damn world and we almost beat them in their house! Life is so bright I gotta wear shades.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:09 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Here's how I'd summarize out offensive philosophy: year 2 of jamming a square peg into a round hole.

I assume our defensive philosophy involves a lot of prayers. I don't know why we'd have any confidence in the staff. You don't see evolution or development in players or scheme. They run the same stuff regardless of personnel and keep the players in a fairly constant state of semi-preparation and semi-focus.

It's my biggest issue with Sumlin. What are some markers we're building something? I don't see much building, just doing the same thing and hoping it works better than last time.
We're building towards nothing, but digging ourselves an even bigger hole than Mike Stoops dug us out of.

That's what it's felt like so far. Sumlin is recruiting RichRod level talent and not coaching that talent as well as RichRod did. That's how I see the Sumlin tenure so far.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:10 pm

I just want that team from the 1st half of the ASU game. Remember 3 halves ago we were pretty good. I don't know where the hangups are but KS better figure it out or he is going to be walking pretty soon.

NAU, we should control the line on both sides of the ball. If we can't, we are fucked for the season. We should win by at least 2 td's.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:48 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Here's how I'd summarize out offensive philosophy: year 2 of jamming a square peg into a round hole.

I assume our defensive philosophy involves a lot of prayers. I don't know why we'd have any confidence in the staff. You don't see evolution or development in players or scheme. They run the same stuff regardless of personnel and keep the players in a fairly constant state of semi-preparation and semi-focus.

It's my biggest issue with Sumlin. What are some markers we're building something? I don't see much building, just doing the same thing and hoping it works better than last time.
We're building towards nothing, but digging ourselves an even bigger hole than Mike Stoops dug us out of.
That's what it's felt like so far. Sumlin is recruiting RichRod level talent and not coaching that talent as well as RichRod did. That's how I see the Sumlin tenure so far.

Yup, it's the Rich Rod tenure V2.0 with MUCH worse coaching and the same awful defense.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:20 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
AZCatGirl wrote:If we somehow manage to lose this game, just cancel the rest of the season.
UA will win by 30 plus

I will take NAU and 30 for $20 if you want. I will give you this trend though. Sumlin is 4/7 with 5 consecutive losses after a bye week. I know you are a ride or die guy but this is a big clue the guy can’t coach or game prep

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:57 pm

azcat49 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
AZCatGirl wrote:If we somehow manage to lose this game, just cancel the rest of the season.
UA will win by 30 plus

I will take NAU and 30 for $20 if you want. I will give you this trend though. Sumlin is 4/7 with 5 consecutive losses after a bye week. I know you are a ride or die guy but this is a big clue the guy can’t coach or game prep

Sure you got NAU plus 30 I got UA minus 30 for $20

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:01 pm

azcat49 wrote:I will take NAU and 30 for $20 if you want. I will give you this trend though. Sumlin is 4/7 with 5 consecutive losses after a bye week. I know you are a ride or die guy but this is a big clue the guy can’t coach or game prep

Do you know who the opponents were?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:08 pm

Looked it up. His loses after byes were:
#8 Washington St.
Mississippi St
@ #1 Alabama
@ #10 Alabama
LSU
@ #18 LSU

Not a NAU in the bunch.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:14 pm

Thx Greg. I would be shocked if we lost to a FCS team but with this group of coaches you never know

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:15 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
azcat49 wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
AZCatGirl wrote:If we somehow manage to lose this game, just cancel the rest of the season.
UA will win by 30 plus

I will take NAU and 30 for $20 if you want. I will give you this trend though. Sumlin is 4/7 with 5 consecutive losses after a bye week. I know you are a ride or die guy but this is a big clue the guy can’t coach or game prep
Sure you got NAU plus 30 I got UA minus 30 for $20

Sounds good, we can square up in Vegas at the pac tourney

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:28 pm

Just a note Dick Tomey, a guy who could game prep and develop talent, was 17-4 after a bye week from the 89 season through the 2000 season. He didn’t need a bye for NAU

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:36 pm

azcat49 wrote:Just a note Dick Tomey, a guy who could game prep and develop talent, was 17-4 after a bye week from the 89 season through the 2000 season. He didn’t need a bye for NAU

Two things; One: Tomey is my favorite coach of all time in any sport and you are absolutely correct. Two: It's not like Sumlin asked for a bye before the NAU game.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:40 pm

Nope he did not. But neither his game prep (see Hawaii) over a long off season or after a bye gives me hope this staff can take us to next level things. These trends are telling as to the quality of our staff IMO.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:55 pm

azcat49 wrote:Nope he did not. But neither his game prep (see Hawaii) over a long off season or after a bye gives me hope this staff can take us to next level things. These trends are telling as to the the quality of our staff IMO.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm trying to defend the guy like that. I think it's more likely his tenure is going to be a failure. With that being said, i was on board with the hire. He wasn't my first choice but I was OK with it. However, I was also on board with the Mackaprick, Stoops, and RR hires as well so don't ask my advice on the next one.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:01 pm

I get ya Greg and I am just having a hard time with the last three plus games. We got hammered and embarrassed by WAZZU, had a monumental collapse against ASSU and then lose to ANOTHER non power 5 team and look like we never looked at film.

You can see he was hired to bring in more talent and so far that has not happened at all. Just can’t see the results improving

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:21 pm

azcat49 wrote:I get ya Greg and I am just having a hard time with the last three plus games. We got hammered and embarrassed by WAZZU, had a monumental collapse against ASSU and then lose to ANOTHER non power 5 team and look like we never looked at film.

You can see he was hired to bring in more talent and so far that has not happened at all. Just can’t see the results improving

I was sold on his recruiting. I guess we all found out that you can't recruit to Tucson like you can to the SEC. Current 2020 class ranking is 83rd behind powerhouses Air Force, UTSA, Army, N Illinois, UMass, S Alabama, Bowling Green, Oregon St, Syracuse, Louisiana, W Michigan, Temple, Miami (OH), Toledo, Louisiana Tech, Vanderbilt, N Texas, Tulane..............FUCK!!!!!!!!

i know this class isn't over but god damn it!

UTSA.............FUCK!

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:44 pm

I was at that 2014 game in San Antonio and we looked like we couldn't stand flat footed and fuck a turkey.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:03 pm

Over/under 35k in attendance?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:24 pm

Reported attendance will be over but reality will be lower. By 930 and the start of the 3rd quarter I bet there's 20k max. Lucky if 10k stay for the end

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:45 pm

btfd16 wrote:Over/under 35k in attendance?

I don't think 35,000 people in Tucson realize there is a football game on Saturday.

Post by **UAdevil** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:59 pm

I have zero interest in going, or even watching this game on tv sadly.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:08 pm

Reported attendance will probably be like 40k, but actual will be near 30k with only 15-20k being there early in the 3rd. Wouldn't be surprised if at the final whistle there's only like 5k in the stands.

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:21 pm

UAdevil wrote:I have zero interest in going, or even watching this game on tv sadly.

For the first time since I was a senior in high school, I agree. I have something at 745 Saturday night and while normally I'd move Heaven and Earth to watch, I just don't have a desire to go out of my way to do it.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:32 pm

The game won’t tell us anything, other than if we lose. Need to get to the TT game to see if these coaches can game plan and coach up these kids

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:56 pm

Is anyone going to watch the game? I’m not.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:58 pm

I'm watching.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:10 pm

I’m going.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:12 pm

Postmaster wrote:I’m going.

I'm sorry. As I've said before, my wife and I have opposite schedules most of the week so since she's off Saturday we'll be doing something together. I probably won't watch any football, and I definitely wouldn't watch our game

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:39 pm

I'll watch on TV, but like others have said this game isn't going to tell us much.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:13 pm

I will be there. Never quit

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:44 am

Not watching

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:35 pm

I'll watch if I can find a stream, not ready yet to start my Sling TV subscription back up.

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:56 pm

I'll be watching as I always do.

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