Bear Down Wildcats

Let's fire it up. Who do we get? Promote from within or go outside?

Will the UA president get involved?

Fisch should be the only person responsible for the hire. Even a poor CEO knows that if he surrounds himself with good managers he won't look all that bad.

Joe Salave'a

I think this erases almost any hope of improvement next year

Need a very good recruiter. Yates! No wait!

Promote from within and keep the same system. Perhaps elevate the position coach of the most improved defensive unit.

So Chuck or Ricky?

wyo-cat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:45 am So Chuck or Ricky?

There is a reason why those two former players are lifelong position coaches, outside of one disastrous year for Cecil as DC for the Titans.

No one on the current defensive staff would move the needle for me.

AV8RCAT wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:35 am Promote from within and keep the same system. Perhaps elevate the position coach of the most improved defensive unit.

I agree with this.

The last thing we want to do is start a whole new system.

Need to bring in a currently fired head coach who has a defensive background. Like,

"Ed Orgeron"

There’s no guarantee that promoting from within means we’d run the same system.

Merkin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:52 am

wyo-cat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:45 am So Chuck or Ricky?

There is a reason why those two former players are lifelong position coaches, outside of one disastrous year for Cecil as DC for the Titans.

That doesn't mean they have to die as position coaches. If you do a good job you get considered for a promotion.

MountainCat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:28 am Need to bring in a currently fired head coach who has a defensive background. Like,

"Ed Orgeron"

I agree with this idea to an extent, but don't think he would ever come here. I made the case when we fired RichRod to hire Lane Kiffin. Everyone scoffed at me because he's a carpetbagger, but he knows how to bake a cake and wins wherever he goes. Kiffin would have used our program to exact revenge on every program that slighted him, something I would have had no problem with. We'd also be nationally relevant and ranked.

So I'm saying all of that to say this: not all retreads are created equal. Find a talented guy with PR issues and let the wins speak for themselves.

Jimmy Lake

My gut tells me it's going to be Walker.

AV8RCAT wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:07 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:52 am

wyo-cat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:45 am So Chuck or Ricky?

There is a reason why those two former players are lifelong position coaches, outside of one disastrous year for Cecil as DC for the Titans.

That doesn't mean they have to die as position coaches. If you do a good job you get considered for a promotion.

Has Cecil done a good job? The safeties have been bad, you could say that is a result of bad players but it might be the only defensive position group that isn't really better than last year.

Dr Wildcat, are you sure about that on the safeties? I think the safeties have battled a lot of injuries. Joe Salavea is not coming here. He has a great gig up north, lots of money and admiration, he's not coming. I'm with Greg and if they hire from within it will be Walker. My big worry and its not a panic yet but how many defensive players will hit the transfer portal because of this and how many recruits will decommit. It's a worry, not a panic

tgrumpy2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:45 pm Dr Wildcat, are you sure about that on the safeties? I think the safeties have battled a lot of injuries. Joe Salavea is not coming here. He has a great gig up north, lots of money and admiration, he's not coming. I'm with Greg and if they hire from within it will be Walker. My big worry and its not a panic yet but how many defensive players will hit the transfer portal because of this and how many recruits will decommit. It's a worry, not a panic

Salave’a made $685K this season. If Brown was offered more than that to stay as reported, then the UA has the ability to pay Salave’a more to come on down.

Brown was at 800k this year and he was going to get two years and be the highest paid assistant in the conference but family and home won out which it should

I do think a program owes it's alumni a shot. Hunley and Cecil finally got one here. Either one certainly deserves to be considered for a promotion, but Fisch has to decide this make or break hire. I'm not sure we want to lose the rest of the staff and a new outside DC will likely want to choose his own assistants.
I don't know if that kind of disruption is what we need now.

The solution is to have Fisch call up Joe Saleve’a and talk career advancement. It seems like coaching under him is a fast path to HC and he’ll help him get there. Maybe even at the U of A after a few more years.

Win-win.

I think Walker and Dudzinski are the most likely to join Brown's staff.

Scheer's hot board has Vic Fangio on it.

I think whoever he hires will have NFL ties

azcat49 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:45 am I think whoever he hires will have NFL ties

And/or overlapped with Fisch.

If fisch hasn’t coached with them, not sure he would bring them in as a DC.

My guess is either D. Walker or the Ole Miss DC that coached under Brown for many years. Obviously fangio would be a freaking surprise.

Walker. Already on staff and would be a smooth transition.

Please do not promote from within, the defense was a success due to Don Brown being a dude not any positional group. The only defensive coach whose group has overperformed to a noticeable level is the DL and I would not be OK with Hunley taking over. I am just hoping we dont lose all the defensive recruits we got over this and if we were willing to make Don Brown he highest paid coordinator in the PAC that money should be used to get a legit DC (or maybe a DC and an OC).

No chance. Especially the way he played UA and ASU for a raise. Besides banging recruits mothers and probably to be fired after the season.

wyo-cat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:06 am The solution is to have Fisch call up Joe Saleve’a and talk career advancement. It seems like coaching under him is a fast path to HC and he’ll help him get there. Maybe even at the U of A after a few more years.

Win-win.

I still don't think any amount of phone calls will pry him out of the Northwest.

So you are suggesting a straight up kidnapping?

There will be booster pressure to keep Cecil and Hunley on staff. Will Fisch tell the new DC that he can't hire his own people?

I highly doubt a new DC is going to demand that current coaches be fired. Some may leave to follow Brown or to pursue other opportunities but I’ve never heard of a coordinator coming in and demanding that he gets to fire a bunch of people right out of the gate.

Cool, I didn't know what typically happens.
I read an article that kept stating that we are always gonna be poached for every good coach we get, and we need stability most of all.
I know it's unpopular, but I would make Cecil and Hunley co- coordinators, and give everyone else a raise.
They have had a year working with Brown, they know all the recruits and they are here for the right reasons.
When it comes right down to it, no coach has some secret knowledge. There's only so many techniques and schemes, the rest is how well you can teach and motivate etc.

I'd try giving them a bigger role, see if they rise to the occasion for their beloved Alma
Mater. Might catch lightning in a bottle.

AV8RCAT wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:03 am I know it's unpopular, but I would make Cecil and Hunley co- coordinators, and give everyone else a raise.

Yeah, no thank you.

If we were willing to make Brown the highest paid coordinator in the conference, we can afford to do a real search and bring in someone who either has put kids into the NFL or coached there themselves.

I know. I just think we might as well try some out of the box shit.

My feel good story is that these guys had fairly long coaching careers, and now the only job they want is here and they are highly motivated to make their final job, bringing this program back.
They have been seething for years, wanting to come here and are on a mission and become instrumental in our run of Pac 12 championships. Books are written, movies made and blah, blah, blah.
I'm now convinced we are in the woods for years, no matter who the coaches are.

Fantasy beats reality lol

Zona Zealots has a nice write up on the possible candidates

https://zonazealots.com/2021/11/23/ariz ... qPAyI22RK8

I'd definitely have Joe Salave’a on the horn. Also meets the alumni criteria some seem to want.

Some of you guys are fighting for the "Chicken Little" award and the sky is falling. Yea I really liked Coach Brown but can we at least see who they hire before the predictions of disaster.

Lol Arizona football is already a disaster. Not sure what you're thinking about.

Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:36 am Zona Zealots has a nice write up on the possible candidates

https://zonazealots.com/2021/11/23/ariz ... qPAyI22RK8

I'd definitely have Joe Salave’a on the horn. Also meets the alumni criteria some seem to want.

For me, 35 years of watching this program struggle to stay relevant, I suppose I'm more open to some idea of a hometown hero magic success story. Seems like some unexpected storybook thing is our only hope lol

Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:36 am Zona Zealots has a nice write up on the possible candidates

https://zonazealots.com/2021/11/23/ariz ... qPAyI22RK8

I'd definitely have Joe Salave’a on the horn. Also meets the alumni criteria some seem to want.

The rumor is that Joe's title of Co defensive coordinator is just a title to get him more money because they like his recruiting especially in the Polynesian community. He doesn't call any of the plays and he,s basically a glorified position coach. I'd love to have big Joe on the staff but not as DC.

Job is advertised which is a requirement for state schools.

https://arizona.csod.com/ux/ats/careers ... ?c=arizona

All I am asking is to not give this to an undeserving alumni for the sake of them being an alumni, in fact while we are shaking up the defense get rid of Cecil his coaching and recruiting is awful.

Could it be Donte Williams?

As far as I know, we have never had an alum as more than a position coach.
We are what? 1-25 over 3 years? Fuck it. I'm ready to try something we haven't tried before.

Weren't both Hunley and Cecil out of coaching when Fisch hired them as position coaches? Couldn't find work anywhere else.

Just tells you how good of coaches they are.

Sonny Dykes and Mike Leach never played college ball yet became successful head coaches,

Sounds like the Fisch is only looking for experienced DCs with west coast ties/knowledge. So, it won’t be an alum. I’m hoping it’s not Walker.

OSUCat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:14 pm Sounds like the Fisch is only looking for experienced DCs with west coast ties/knowledge. So, it won’t be an alum. I’m hoping it’s not Walker.