Pussification of American Sports Continues...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:41 am

http://www.ksby.com/news/parents-and-co ... practices/

Parents and coaches react to new bill that limits school football practices

Governor Jerry Brown is joining the effort to reduce head injuries in young athletes.

With the support of medical groups and the organization who oversees high school athletics, Brown signed a bill into law that limits full-contact youth football practices.

It's a law that doesn't take effect until 2015, but it's already making waves in the football community.

Drills involving game-speed tackling will not be allowed in the off-season and will be limited to 90-minute sessions twice a week for the rest of the year.

Kim Streker's 12-year old son Ethan plays in the Orcutt Youth Football League.

"He's had a couple of concussions in the past and it is very nerve-racking," said Streker.

She's considered his safety a top priority since he started playing in the third grade.

"It's very scary to have them laying on the field and as a parent, up in the stands, not knowing exactly what has happened or why he's there and what's going on," said Streker.

Parents and coaches alike are hoping to have less to worry about when it comes to the risk of getting a concussion.

"Safety over winning. Safety over playing," said Orcutt Youth Football coach Ty Lee.
"Just making sure that if something is going wrong, that we have everything taken care of at all measures.

Both Lee and Streker believe this new law is a step in the right direction.

"If there's a doubt of something, take someone out versus to keep them in if there's an injury," said Lee.

"Making sure that the coaches are looking at the children as if they were their own kids and not just another player on the field," said Streker.

C.I.F. says most coaches already follow these rules.

The new law applies to public, private, and charter schools.

Some lawmakers questioned whether the proposal puts students at a competitive disadvantage and whether the issue merits state regulation.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:08 am

Now they can get concussions when out of state teams who have more full contact practices blast them in games.

77HoyaCat4Ever · Post by **77HoyaCat4Ever** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:11 am

As a doctor and a parent of three sons, I don't think avoiding brain injuries is pussification.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:14 am

77HoyaCat4Ever wrote:As a doctor and a parent of three sons, I don't think avoiding brain injuries is pussification.

That's exactly what a ****y would say.

Kidding.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:17 am

When are we banning headers in soccer?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:21 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Now they can get concussions when out of state teams who have more full contact practices blast them in games.

Yep, it will be the Pigskin Classic all over again vs. out of state teams.

KCF · Post by **KCF** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:47 am

Merkin wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Now they can get concussions when out of state teams who have more full contact practices blast them in games.

Yep, it will be the Pigskin Classic all over again vs. out of state teams.

I thought this game was not allowed to be mentioned like some other game 9 years ago that I have forgotten about.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:43 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:When are we banning headers in soccer?

Or making boxing and MMA illegal?

There's only so much you can legislate. I'd rather see money put into safety equipment.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:01 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:When are we banning headers in soccer?
Or making boxing and MMA illegal?

There's only so much you can legislate. I'd rather see money put into safety equipment.

The minimum impact that could cause significant damage is, unfortunately, shockingly small. It is very difficult to imagine safety equipment making enough of a difference.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:21 pm

Bruins01 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:When are we banning headers in soccer?
Or making boxing and MMA illegal?

There's only so much you can legislate. I'd rather see money put into safety equipment.
The minimum impact that could cause significant damage is, unfortunately, shockingly small. It is very difficult to imagine safety equipment making enough of a difference.

I don't think it's government's role to regulate how consenting adults and kids play sports. So, do what you can to minimize the effects.

thenewazcats · Post by **thenewazcats** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:32 pm

The pussification of American sports is real, but this example is a big fail IMO. Trying to prevent brain injury is different than, say, firing a coach because he verbally abuses his players.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:36 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:38 pm

You go Woody.

Hurt Woody more me thinks.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:42 pm

Pooh, the government isn't considering banning anything and no one is saying it should....

Banning headers in soccer has been discussed for years within non-government organizations like AYSO. Many local AYSO programs already do ban headers until children reach a certain age.

The federal government has never taken a legislative position on head injuries in sports and no one is saying it should. State and local governments often do, of course, because they are charged with running youth leagues and the like.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:44 pm

I think the real next step is to wake up and realize that American football is just a really stupid sport.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:47 pm

This should take care of it.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:48 pm

Longhorned wrote:I think the real next step is to wake up and realize that American football is just a really stupid sport.

But it was made in Merica so it can't be stupid...

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:17 pm

Lando05 wrote:
Longhorned wrote:I think the real next step is to wake up and realize that American football is just a really stupid sport.
But it was made in Merica so it can't be stupid...

I love America. I love basketball. Barbecue. Jazz. Blues.

Wait a minute....

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:25 pm

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ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:31 pm

Longhorned wrote:I think the real next step is to wake up and realize that American football is just a really stupid sport.

how? it's no less stupid than golf or car racing or cricket or anything.

thenewazcats · Post by **thenewazcats** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:36 pm

I could really care less about CFB but I do love watching the NFL. I don't think it's a stupid sport but I'm opening my mind to the possibility that it would be stupid to let my kids play. There are plenty of sports they can play where the chances of suffering a serious, long term injury aren't nearly as high.

Post by **UAdevil** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:36 pm

thenewazcats wrote:I could really care less about CFB but I do love watching the NFL. I don't think it's a stupid sport but I'm opening my mind to the possibility that it would be stupid to let my kids play. There are plenty of sports they can play where the chances of suffering a serious, long term injury aren't nearly as high.

I'm the complete opposite. Love college football, indifferent to NFL.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:37 pm

Bruins01 wrote:Pooh, the government isn't considering banning anything and no one is saying it should....

Banning headers in soccer has been discussed for years within non-government organizations like AYSO. Many local AYSO programs already do ban headers until children reach a certain age.

The federal government has never taken a legislative position on head injuries in sports and no one is saying it should. State and local governments often do, of course, because they are charged with running youth leagues and the like.

I just said regulate, and I don't think it is the role of state government to regulate in this area either.

If people want to start leagues that limit things like that, fine. There are plenty of solutions that don't require government to make the choice for you. No one is forced to play Pop Warner.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:38 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Longhorned wrote:I think the real next step is to wake up and realize that American football is just a really stupid sport.
how? it's no less stupid than golf or car racing or cricket or anything.

Golf isn't a sport. It's a competitive activity, like candlestick bowling.

Car racing isn't a sport. It's racing cars.

Cricket isn't a sport. It's a paddle game of Brits against Indians and Pakistanians.

Football is a sport, and a good one for people who enjoy brief moments of action separated by enormous expanses of dead time.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:49 pm

I think it was Seinfeld who said that when you wear a helmet it's a way to do an activity that you shouldn't be doing anyway...

Ah, found exact quote...just apply it to football:

There are many things you can point to as proof that the human is not smart. But my personal favorite would have to be that we needed to invent the helmet. What was happening, apparently, was that we were involved in a lot of activities that were cracking our heads. We chose not to avoid doing those activities but, instead, to come up with some sort of device to help us enjoy our head-cracking lifestyles. And even that didn’t work because not enough people were wearing them so we had to come up with the helmet law. Which is even stupider, the idea behind the helmet law being to preserve a brain whose judgment is so poor, it does not even try to avoid the cracking of the head it’s in.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:01 pm

Olsondogg wrote:I think it was Seinfeld who said that when you wear a helmet it's a way to do an activity that you shouldn't be doing anyway...

Ah, found exact quote...just apply it to football:

There are many things you can point to as proof that the human is not smart. But my personal favorite would have to be that we needed to invent the helmet. What was happening, apparently, was that we were involved in a lot of activities that were cracking our heads. We chose not to avoid doing those activities but, instead, to come up with some sort of device to help us enjoy our head-cracking lifestyles. And even that didn’t work because not enough people were wearing them so we had to come up with the helmet law. Which is even stupider, the idea behind the helmet law being to preserve a brain whose judgment is so poor, it does not even try to avoid the cracking of the head it’s in.

As a helmet-wearing bicyclist, I shouldn't criticize. But haven't there been scientific studies that prove that wearing a helmet increases one's chances of an accident while cycling?

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:07 pm

Longhorned wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
Longhorned wrote:I think the real next step is to wake up and realize that American football is just a really stupid sport.
how? it's no less stupid than golf or car racing or cricket or anything.
Golf isn't a sport. It's a competitive activity, like candlestick bowling.

Car racing isn't a sport. It's racing cars.

Cricket isn't a sport. It's a paddle game of Brits against Indians and Pakistanians.

Football is a sport, and a good one for people who enjoy brief moments of action separated by enormous expanses of dead time.

Are you picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight again?

You said "regulate" in a previous post, but this is the post to which I was responding.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:When are we banning headers in soccer?
Or making boxing and MMA illegal?

State and local governments run youth sports leagues and have the right to set the rules of those leagues. For example, they do not claim to have the right to ban headers across ALL soccer leagues, only the ones that they run (or support, like CIF).

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:26 pm

I don't think it's the place of government. It isn't a compulsory activity, so children, parents, schools and coaches should make their own choices.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I don't think this is an area for government legislation. It's that simple.

Edit: I may regret this, but how were you responding to Longhorned's post when it hadn't happened yet?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:54 pm

Bruins01 wrote:
Are you picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight again?

You said "regulate" in a previous post, but this is the post to which I was responding.

I like to fight, and I like to type. Seems like a perfect combination for this board to me!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:00 pm

Longhorned wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:
Are you picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight again?

You said "regulate" in a previous post, but this is the post to which I was responding.
I like to fight, and I like to type. Seems like a perfect combination for this board to me!

Wait, I thought I was the one picking the fight? Do we have to fight to see who gets to fight Bruins?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:36 pm

Is masterbating considered a sport?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:42 pm

Alieberman wrote:Is masterbating considered a sport?

If you're at risk for CTE from masturbating, you're doing it wrong, or you're David Carradine.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:04 pm

Alieberman wrote:Is masterbating considered a sport?

If you're good at it you should get a medal.

77HoyaCat4Ever · Post by **77HoyaCat4Ever** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:13 pm

Alieberman wrote:Is masterbating considered a sport?

Beats me

77HoyaCat4Ever · Post by **77HoyaCat4Ever** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:17 pm

Alieberman wrote:Is masterbating considered a sport?

Perhaps if you are at the level of a grandmaster masturbator

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/2 ... 63576.html

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:48 am

Bruins01 wrote:Are you picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight again?

"Again"? Longhorned is probably the most agreeable poster on this board. I can't remember a time when he fought with anyone.

You on the other hand are like a boil on the ass of the internet. Just go the fuck away already.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:06 am

Chicat wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:Are you picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight again?
"Again"? Longhorned is probably the most agreeable poster on this board. I can't remember a time when he fought with anyone.

Oh yes, I was a victim of a LH smack down when I accused him of peeing in the swimming pool.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:27 am

Merkin wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:Are you picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight again?
"Again"? Longhorned is probably the most agreeable poster on this board. I can't remember a time when he fought with anyone.
Oh yes, I was a victim of a LH smack down when I accused him of peeing in the swimming pool.

I already told you I was done with that argument the second I swam through that warm spot caused by you, not me!!!

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:56 am

Bruins01 wrote:State and local governments run youth sports leagues

What? Since when?

Local organizations control youth sports leagues (at least around here they do) and set the rules especially in regards to player safety.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:13 pm

EastCoastCat wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:State and local governments run youth sports leagues

What? Since when?

Local organizations control youth sports leagues (at least around here they do) and set the rules especially in regards to player safety.

Uh... it took me literally thirty seconds to find a government-run youth sports league in Arizona for you.

https://www.facebook.com/MesaYouthSports

Here is the brochure for the sports league run by the City of Los Angeles at the park just a short walk from where I live: http://www.laparks.org/dos/reccenter/pd ... ochure.pdf

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:23 pm

Bruins01 wrote:
EastCoastCat wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:State and local governments run youth sports leagues

What? Since when?

Local organizations control youth sports leagues (at least around here they do) and set the rules especially in regards to player safety.
Uh... it took me literally thirty seconds to find a government-run youth sports league in Arizona for you.

https://www.facebook.com/MesaYouthSports

Here is the brochure for the sports league run by the City of Los Angeles at the park just a short walk from where I live: http://www.laparks.org/dos/reccenter/pd ... ochure.pdf

And in 5 seconds I can pull examples of youth leagues not run by the gov't. My son's little league was not, nor his hockey league.
The point was your statement made it seem like all youth leagues were run by state or local gov'ts. That is false.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:25 pm

EastCoastCat wrote:And in 5 seconds I can pull examples of youth leagues not run by the gov't. My son's little league was not, nor his hockey league.
The point was your statement made it seem like all youth leagues were run by state or local gov'ts. That is false.

So you decided to push back against something that I didn't say and would never say because I'm not a complete moron. Fun exercise!

EDIT: In fact, I made it clear that government does not run ALL sports leagues in THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE of that post!

Bruins01 wrote:State and local governments run youth sports leagues and have the right to set the rules of those leagues. For example, they do not claim to have the right to ban headers across ALL soccer leagues, only the ones that they run (or support, like CIF).

Miller time · Post by **Miller time** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:35 pm

Longhorned's a Dick! Kick him out!!!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:26 pm

Merkin wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:Are you picking a fight just for the sake of picking a fight again?
"Again"? Longhorned is probably the most agreeable poster on this board. I can't remember a time when he fought with anyone.
Oh yes, I was a victim of a LH smack down when I accused him of peeing in the swimming pool.

And his withering take down of me when I confessed to hating mayo was just plain cruel. Always wear a helmet around that dude.

Sometimes I wonder about this place. Avoiding injuries is "pussification?" Next thing you know those football players will be wearing shoulder pads. Pussies!

Then we'll pave the roads. And mandate seat belts and air bags!

Pussification of driving!

Pop Warner or whatever will be exceedingly dumb if it doesn't impose this stuff themselves. The science is clear. It's the accumulation of collisions that matters. Limiting them is smart.

It'll only take a small fraction of parents to balk before football is in serious trouble. Better helmets isn't really the answer. It's the head whipping back -- happens on the lines virtually ever play as the players collide -- that also leads to CTE.

Sport is in big trouble if it doesn't get out in front of this. Balking at rules that limit contact would be a bad move. But if football wants to bang its head against the wall, it will speed its demise.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... ion-watch/

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:40 pm

Harry Carson:

“I have a 3-year-old grandson who I just spent the last month with. And he’s a daredevil anyway, but I’ve told his mom, my daughter, that he’s not going to play football.

“Knowing what I know now, I do not want him to play. And the stuff that I know, I know for pretty damn sure, because I was diagnosed two years after I left football with post-concussion syndrome. I recognized when I played that I was having some neurological issues, but I couldn’t really put my finger on exactly what it was, because I was trained to be aware of the physical but also the mental. But from a neurological standpoint, you don’t really understand exactly all the stuff that’s going on. After I was diagnosed and I learned as much as I could learn about post-concussion syndrome, but also listening to my own body, I say parents need to be vigilant as to what they allow their children to do. When you sign that consent form, you really need to understand exactly what you’re doing. As for me and my family, I don’t want my grandson to play.”

Is pussification retroactive? And who gets to break the news to him that he's a pussy?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:47 pm

gumby wrote:Next thing you know those football players will be wearing shoulder pads.
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It's the head whipping back -- happens on the lines virtually ever play as the players collide -- that also leads to CTE.

There is some who think the problem is to much protective gear. If a DB does not have huge shoulder pads they won't be trying to do a Chuck Cecil at 30 mph. Players will need to learn how to actually tackle.

Less gear:

and even less gear in rugby, but proper tackling.

You won't see this anymore:

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:14 pm

It's more complicated than concussions, which get all the attention. The accumulation of subconcussive hits lead to CTE.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/20 ... s/1970177/

The results of the study could shake up the perception that concussions are the primary culprit behind long-term brain injuries suffered by college and professional football players. No player in the study suffered a concussion; nonetheless, 40 of the 67 players profiled sustained the sort of hits to the head to mimic the results of a concussion-related brain injury.

Leagues like the NFL have focused on concussions as the primary cause of injuries like chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a brain disease that causes dementia and depression and has been found in many former professional players.

"We have shown that elevations of serum S100B," which the study proves is a sign of a disruption of blood flowing to the brain, "occur in football players who experience sub-concussive head hits below the threshold for a diagnosis of concussion," the study reads.

So, yeah, limit hitting in practices. Get enough of that in games.

Steve Young:

But what I'm really worried about are these fellas that did it every day all summer long, all fall long, every practice, every game, every walkthrough, every spring ball. That's what I worry about. As a quarterback, those are the times when Joe Montana and I were all playing golf while those guys were banging away. I worry. I worry about myself -- there's no question; we all do, because we have our own histories -- but I really worry about my fellow brothers in different positions.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:17 am

http://www.cbs46.com/story/26879563/8-y ... -fined-500

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:21 am

scumdevils86 wrote:http://www.cbs46.com/story/26879563/8-y ... -fined-500

Why don't they just end the game when the lead is 32? That's what they do in softball and other sports where they have mercy rules, just end it.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:44 am

And how does the opponent "refuse to catch the ball"?

How does that work, you play hot potato with it? Just back off the line and let the QB run.

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