UA Basketball 2015-2016 Discussion Thread

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:16 am

The good news is, one of you is bound to be right.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:36 am

Chicat wrote:The good news is, one of you is bound to be right.

I fully expect to get called out with a "see, told ya" if we don't fall in that top 20. Then I'll get to read about how we can't get to the Final 4 cause the metric doesn't match up.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:03 pm

Cropped the 5' chick out of the pic

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:11 pm

Airizona wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Cool. Good to know you've already accurately predicted the skills of several players yet to actually suit up and play, as well as nailed what the metrics of a season yet to be played are. Fantastic stuff.
PJC
York
Tollefsen
Anderson
Zeus

That's the likely starting 5. Which one is a mystery in their defensive abilities at this point in their careers outside of maybe our 5'8 PG who will be a tad deficient defensively solely due to his lack of stature naturally. The rest all have ridiculous amount of experience and aren't exactly known as defensive specialists outside of maybe Zeus, which his defensive ability is debatable honestly.

In regards to the young guys only one has any hype as a defender (Simon) and his playing time at this point is a major question mark.

Top 20 defense here we come.
ahaha the bolded is the funniest thing I've read today, I'm sure Miller doesn't know what he is talking about when he constantly touts Zeus' defensive abilities. You should talk with Miller and let him know.

Zeus does a defensive win share of 2.2, so he's not terrible, but if I took Sean Miller's word for it I'd 100% be under the impression that Zeus is an All-American. Miller has been known to overstate his players quite often during his tenure. You can go ahead and cut the "Sean Miller will forget more about basketball than you will ever know," but just remember that what he says in public is mostly bullshit, except when it comes to talking about touching balls in Las Vegas.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:14 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Zeus does a defensive win share of 2.2, so he's not terrible, but if I took Sean Miller's word for it I'd 100% be under the impression that Zeus is an All-American. Miller has been known to overstate his players quite often during his tenure. You can go ahead and cut the "Sean Miller will forget more about basketball than you will ever know," but just remember that what he says in public is mostly bullshit, except when it comes to talking about touching balls in Las Vegas.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:18 pm

Pretty sure that how players have played in the past is indicative of the teams that they've played with. For now, nobody knows what the team will look like this year...

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:20 pm

Also if Miller is ever not the coach of AZ, I vote for Choo Choo as next in line. That's a win share right there.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:22 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Cool. Good to know you've already accurately predicted the skills of several players yet to actually suit up and play, as well as nailed what the metrics of a season yet to be played are. Fantastic stuff.
PJC
York
Tollefsen
Anderson
Zeus

That's the likely starting 5. Which one is a mystery in their defensive abilities at this point in their careers outside of maybe our 5'8 PG who will be a tad deficiency defensively solely due to his lack of stature naturally. The rest all have ridiculous amount of experience and aren't exactly known as defensive specialists.

In regards to the young guys only one has any hype as a defender (Simon) and his playing time at this point is a major question mark.

Top 20 defense here we come.
I like your reasoning as well, never having seen this "likely starting 5" ever play together, never seen them in practice together, never watched a game, practice, or anything resembling game play. Futhermore, you have already grasped the 2015-16 college basketball landscape that has yet to even start, enough to know for a fact that Arizona can't possibly be good at defense, based on prior years and prior programs. You've used what you've read from others enough to form an opinion to ridicule others that feel that, while not as good, AZ will still be one of the better teams in the country--defensively speaking.

I applaud you on your brilliance. We should all strive to be as amazing as you, and hopefully as condescending as well.

Who needs reasoning based on past precedence and empirical data when you have the whole "We haven't seen these guys play together, therefore I can ignore everything I know about them via the statistical evidence or utilizing my own two eyes." Hey OlsonDogg do you think the Oakland Raiders can win the World Series too just because you haven't seen them play with their starting quarterback for an entire game? This post of yours isn't even trying, it's just stomping your feet saying you're right because 4 players who have been in college for 4-5 years could magically get better under our "defensive coach" whom statistically is better at offense historically. Yep that sounds about right.

Here are our 4 likely starting seniors defensive win share totals over their most recent years.
York - 1.7 (got worst from his sophomore year)
Tollefsen - 1.2 (I'll just have to take Miller's word for it he's a great defender right?)
Anderson - 0.5 (we definitely took him for his defense)
Zeus - 2.2 (we finally got a semi-capable defender)

All 4 have gotten marginally worse as their careers have gone on and they've gotten bigger roles. I'm just supposed to believe over one offseason that Sean Miller will be able to turn all 4 of these guys into above average defenders to the point where we can have a top 20 defense? They've played 3 years of college ball each, like I said not a single one of them is a mystery at this point. For comparisons Nick Johnson turned in a 3.0 and got better every year, Rondae was a 2.9 and improved his sophomore year, and Aaron Gordon was sitting at an astounding 3.3. Those are 3 above average defenders and only one guy who couldn't stop an uber driver last year in the NCAA tourney was remotely close to their defensive share rankings.

By the way I never said I think Arizona will have a terrible defense, I said they would compare very similarly to the 2012 team, which was 47th in the nation in defense, which isn't terrible. Guess what though? It's not top 20 or even close to it.

Look OlsonDogg you didn't even put up a fight. At least the other guy calling me out used a quote from the head coach of the team we're talking about as his reasoning. You just stomped your feet and said I was wrong, because you want to believe what you want to believe. Also what is this crap about using what I read from others? I used statistical analysis. You may want to try using something of value when you debate next time. Just a suggestion though.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:25 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
Chicat wrote:The good news is, one of you is bound to be right.
I fully expect to get called out with a "see, told ya" if we don't fall in that top 20. Then I'll get to read about how we can't get to the Final 4 cause the metric doesn't match up.

Yes you're the mature one here. I won't even mention your name again. You provide nothing of substance as far as I can see. I hope you're a genius and we're rolling a top 20 defense next year. I'll just cross my fingers and toes every day like you are.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:28 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Also if Miller is ever not the coach of AZ, I vote for Choo Choo as next in line. That's a win share right there.

Main Event gets to be my associate then. He appears to use facts to back up his stance at least.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:30 pm

Olsondogg wrote: For now, nobody knows what the team will look like this year...

Then how on god's green Earth are you so positive we'll have a top 20 defense? I don't think anything you say means what you think it does.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:36 pm

Never said you were right or wrong. I made a prediction, as did you. You can't be right or wrong for something that hasn't happened yet big guy.

Oakland Raiders and World Series eh? Wow. Win share that, dude.

Airizona · Post by **Airizona** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:57 pm

Choo choo there are flaws with Win Share, especially for players like Zeus and Tollefsen. Zeus is not a defender who fills up a stat sheet, and that makes his Win Share less than a player like Rondae or AG. Tollefsen played for a team that did not win a ton of games and there can obviously be a great defender on a terrible team which will skew his Win Share.

As for Miller bullshitting, I'm sure he does sometimes, but I trust Miller's judgement on players far more than someone on a message board and its not like Miller is going to recruit and take players who he doesn't think are good defenders.

Hopefully we can revisit this thread at the end of the season.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:58 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Cool. Good to know you've already accurately predicted the skills of several players yet to actually suit up and play, as well as nailed what the metrics of a season yet to be played are. Fantastic stuff.
PJC
York
Tollefsen
Anderson
Zeus

That's the likely starting 5. Which one is a mystery in their defensive abilities at this point in their careers outside of maybe our 5'8 PG who will be a tad deficiency defensively solely due to his lack of stature naturally. The rest all have ridiculous amount of experience and aren't exactly known as defensive specialists.

In regards to the young guys only one has any hype as a defender (Simon) and his playing time at this point is a major question mark.

Top 20 defense here we come.
I like your reasoning as well, never having seen this "likely starting 5" ever play together, never seen them in practice together, never watched a game, practice, or anything resembling game play. Futhermore, you have already grasped the 2015-16 college basketball landscape that has yet to even start, enough to know for a fact that Arizona can't possibly be good at defense, based on prior years and prior programs. You've used what you've read from others enough to form an opinion to ridicule others that feel that, while not as good, AZ will still be one of the better teams in the country--defensively speaking.

I applaud you on your brilliance. We should all strive to be as amazing as you, and hopefully as condescending as well.
Who needs reasoning based on past precedence and empirical data when you have the whole "We haven't seen these guys play together, therefore I can ignore everything I know about them via the statistical evidence or utilizing my own two eyes." Hey OlsonDogg do you think the Oakland Raiders can win the World Series too just because you haven't seen them play with their starting quarterback for an entire game? This post of yours isn't even trying, it's just stomping your feet saying you're right because 4 players who have been in college for 4-5 years could magically get better under our "defensive coach" whom statistically is better at offense historically. Yep that sounds about right.

Here are our 4 likely starting seniors defensive win share totals over their most recent years.
York - 1.7 (got worst from his sophomore year)
Tollefsen - 1.2 (I'll just have to take Miller's word for it he's a great defender right?)
Anderson - 0.5 (we definitely took him for his defense)
Zeus - 2.2 (we finally got a semi-capable defender)

All 4 have gotten marginally worse as their careers have gone on and they've gotten bigger roles. I'm just supposed to believe over one offseason that Sean Miller will be able to turn all 4 of these guys into above average defenders to the point where we can have a top 20 defense? They've played 3 years of college ball each, like I said not a single one of them is a mystery at this point. For comparisons Nick Johnson turned in a 3.0 and got better every year, Rondae was a 2.9 and improved his sophomore year, and Aaron Gordon was sitting at an astounding 3.3. Those are 3 above average defenders and only one guy who couldn't stop an uber driver last year in the NCAA tourney was remotely close to their defensive share rankings.

By the way I never said I think Arizona will have a terrible defense, I said they would compare very similarly to the 2012 team, which was 47th in the nation in defense, which isn't terrible. Guess what though? It's not top 20 or even close to it.

Look OlsonDogg you didn't even put up a fight. At least the other guy calling me out used a quote from the head coach of the team we're talking about as his reasoning. You just stomped your feet and said I was wrong, because you want to believe what you want to believe. Also what is this crap about using what I read from others? I used statistical analysis. You may want to try using something of value when you debate next time. Just a suggestion though.

You can skew stats to say whatever you want, especially when you fall to mention that DWS is based on minutes played and York was able to have the 14th best DWS in the conference as a 6th man. Higher than Oregon's superstar defender Jordan Bell. You can also claim that they have got worse each year by choosing a particular state, though had you choose to use Defense Rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) you could say they have gotten better each year. Either way, the moral of the story is we will be fine this year and next year. The bigger issue right now is our very unappealing brand in recruiting currently.

Airizona · Post by **Airizona** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:09 pm

Exactly gronk, it is important not to lean on certain statistical analyses too heavily as they have flaws and can be skewed. We will be fine in recruiting and hopefully Compton Magic players will come to their senses when they see us winning and UCLA losing

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:29 pm

Airizona wrote:Choo choo there are flaws with Win Share, especially for players like Zeus and Tollefsen. Zeus is not a defender who fills up a stat sheet, and that makes his Win Share less than a player like Rondae or AG. Tollefsen played for a team that did not win a ton of games and there can obviously be a great defender on a terrible team which will skew his Win Share.

As for Miller bullshitting, I'm sure he does sometimes, but I trust Miller's judgement on players far more than someone on a message board and its not like Miller is going to recruit and take players who he doesn't think are good defenders.

Hopefully we can revisit this thread at the end of the season.

Everything you said is more than fair. From the beginning I said this team should be very similar to the 2012 team, which was a sweet 16 team and was 47th in defense in the nation. That's far from horrible. I just don't see a top 20 defense and I feel confident in that assessment whether you guys put as much precedence on the stats that I do or not. Agree to disagree guys.

Also ditto on Gronk's very last statement in regards to recruiting. As I've said before though Lauri and Jackson = final four. Make it so Miller!

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:56 pm

I'm just waiting for the Oakland Raiders to start playing baseball. Make it happen choo choo

Airizona · Post by **Airizona** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:03 pm

From the beginning I said this team should be very similar to the 2012 team

That is the main problem I have. Nick was a great defender, but he was too short to guard taller guards (if you remember Allen Crab lighting us up). Solo and KP were good defenders but are not as athletic as the 5*s we have on the team now. Not all the players I listed earlier will be great defenders, but they are all athletic and long enough to be great defenders and the depth and amount of talent we have on this team is far more than back then.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:28 pm

Olsondogg wrote:I'm just waiting for the Oakland Raiders to start playing baseball. Make it happen choo choo

My bad, not on a lot of sleep right now and I wrote out a damn novel. Newborn baby will do that to you. You hold on to that win though Dogg, you deserve it.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:45 pm

Airizona wrote:From the beginning I said this team should be very similar to the 2012 team

That is the main problem I have. Nick was a great defender, but he was too short to guard taller guards (if you remember Allen Crab lighting us up). Solo and KP were good defenders but are not as athletic as the 5*s we have on the team now. Not all the players I listed earlier will be great defenders, but they are all athletic and long enough to be great defenders and the depth and amount of talent we have on this team is far more than back then.

Depth doesn't equate to a top 20 defense though. Also your issue with Nick Johnson exists ten fold with Gabe York, Kadeem Allen, and PJC. Also it doesn't take much to see Trier has never been coached defense before so he'll have a rough transition. Parrom and Hill weren't athletic beasts or anything, but their 2016 counterparts are a guy off an ACL tear and a guy who has played power forward or center his entire collegiate career who can jump high, but his lateral quickness is very in question. Anderson and Ashley may be a wash, but Ashley's 7'2 wingspan made up for many discrepancies in his defense. We still have Zeus though who happens to struggle against 5 men with skills like Stainbrook and Kaminsky. Thankfully those guys are rare in college so we really don't have too much to worry there at least.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:48 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:I'm just waiting for the Oakland Raiders to start playing baseball. Make it happen choo choo
My bad, not on a lot of sleep right now and I wrote out a damn novel. Newborn baby will do that to you. You hold on to that win though Dogg, you deserve it.

Yeah. I got a newborn at home and a 3 yr old too. Not a lot of sleep here either. But I do manage to keep my sports straight especially when attempting to call someone out.

But hold onto that excuse though Choo choo. You deserve it.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:50 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:I'm just waiting for the Oakland Raiders to start playing baseball. Make it happen choo choo
My bad, not on a lot of sleep right now and I wrote out a damn novel. Newborn baby will do that to you. You hold on to that win though Dogg, you deserve it.
Yeah. I got a newborn at home and a 3 yr old too. Not a lot of sleep here either. But I do manage to keep my sports straight especially when attempting to call someone out.

But hold onto that excuse though Choo choo. You deserve it.

I'll take anything I can get Dogg, appreciate it.

Airizona · Post by **Airizona** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:09 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Airizona wrote:From the beginning I said this team should be very similar to the 2012 team

That is the main problem I have. Nick was a great defender, but he was too short to guard taller guards (if you remember Allen Crab lighting us up). Solo and KP were good defenders but are not as athletic as the 5*s we have on the team now. Not all the players I listed earlier will be great defenders, but they are all athletic and long enough to be great defenders and the depth and amount of talent we have on this team is far more than back then.
Depth doesn't equate to a top 20 defense though. Also your issue with Nick Johnson exists ten fold with Gabe York, Kadeem Allen, and PJC. Also it doesn't take much to see Trier has never been coached defense before so he'll have a rough transition. Parrom and Hill weren't athletic beasts or anything, but their 2016 counterparts are a guy off an ACL tear and a guy who has played power forward or center his entire collegiate career who can jump high, but his lateral quickness is very in question. Anderson and Ashley may be a wash, but Ashley's 7'2 wingspan made up for many discrepancies in his defense. We still have Zeus though who happens to struggle against 5 men with skills like Stainbrook and Kaminsky. Thankfully those guys are rare in college so we really don't have too much to worry there at least.

I never mentioned PJC or York as the new defensive specialists. Don't see how Kadeem Allen would have 10x that problem since he is taller than Nick but obviously we aren't going to agree so we don't need to beat this to death. We'll revisit this thread later

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:38 pm

Airizona wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Airizona wrote:From the beginning I said this team should be very similar to the 2012 team

That is the main problem I have. Nick was a great defender, but he was too short to guard taller guards (if you remember Allen Crab lighting us up). Solo and KP were good defenders but are not as athletic as the 5*s we have on the team now. Not all the players I listed earlier will be great defenders, but they are all athletic and long enough to be great defenders and the depth and amount of talent we have on this team is far more than back then.
Depth doesn't equate to a top 20 defense though. Also your issue with Nick Johnson exists ten fold with Gabe York, Kadeem Allen, and PJC. Also it doesn't take much to see Trier has never been coached defense before so he'll have a rough transition. Parrom and Hill weren't athletic beasts or anything, but their 2016 counterparts are a guy off an ACL tear and a guy who has played power forward or center his entire collegiate career who can jump high, but his lateral quickness is very in question. Anderson and Ashley may be a wash, but Ashley's 7'2 wingspan made up for many discrepancies in his defense. We still have Zeus though who happens to struggle against 5 men with skills like Stainbrook and Kaminsky. Thankfully those guys are rare in college so we really don't have too much to worry there at least.
I never mentioned PJC or York as the new defensive specialists. Don't see how Kadeem Allen would have 10x that problem since he is taller than Nick but obviously we aren't going to agree so we don't need to beat this to death. We'll revisit this thread later

Nick Johnson listed at 6'3. Kadeem Allen listed at 6'3. I'm willing to bet heavy money on which guy can jump higher than the other as well. if Kadeem is the answer though I hope he plays more than what it looks like he will.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:47 am

http://tucson.com/sports/basketball/col ... 1bdd1.html

Arizona lost four starters from its Elite Eight team last season, but the early projections say the Wildcats won’t fall far.

If at all.

Blue Ribbon Yearbook said Wednesday it is ranking Arizona No. 7 nationally, the highest projection the Wildcats have received yet, while preseason yearbooks from Athlon Sports and the Sporting News both have UA at No. 8, and Lindy’s has it at No. 12.

All four publications have UA with the highest ranking in the Pac-12, though an ESPN online Top 25 projection last month put the Wildcats at No. 15, behind No. 12 Cal and No. 13 Utah.

In any case, the race for a Pac-12 title is expected to be much tighter than it was last season when Arizona won it by three games, with Cal, Oregon, UCLA and Utah all expected to challenge the Wildcats.

“Stay safe, Arizona, but stay alert,” reads the headline of Lindy’s Pac-12 preview.

Lindy’s has a Top 5 in the Pac-12 of Arizona, Cal, Utah, UCLA and Oregon. In Athlon, it’s Arizona first, followed by Cal, Oregon, UCLA and Utah.

The Sporting News and Blue Ribbon are yet to be published, so their Pac-12 projections are not public, but Sporting News ranks Arizona highest in the Top 25, with Cal (13) and Oregon (19) trailing.

In Blue Ribbon’s Top 25 projection, Arizona is followed by Cal (12), Oregon (18) and Utah (20).

Respect for Anderson

The reason for Arizona’s lofty projections, of course, has a lot to do with both the UA’s 2015 recruiting class — Athlon ranked it first in the conference — as well as incoming transfers Ryan Anderson (Boston College), Mark Tollefsen (San Francisco) and Kadeem Allen (junior college).

Both Lindy’s and Athlon list Anderson on its five-man all-Pac-12 first team, while Tollefsen (at both forward spots) and Allen (at both guard spots) are expected to start or play key rotation roles.

Athlon put senior center Kaleb Tarczewski and freshman guard Allonzo Trier on its second team, while Tarczewski also made Lindy’s third team.

Anderson was a third-team all-ACC pick as a sophomore at Boston College in 2012-13, and an honorable mention all-ACC selection as a junior in 2013-14. He redshirted last season at the UA because of Division I undergraduate transfer rules.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:49 am

I am not buying stock in Tah...

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:49 pm

Most and least experienced rosters for 2015-16

By way of answering that question, allow me to introduce you to the most-and least-experienced major-conference teams for 2015-16. To measure experience, I use a handy item I call possession-minutes. Basically it's the percentage of minutes that a player is on the floor, multiplied by the percentage of possessions he used last season (as seen at KenPom.com). I add those products up for each player on a given team from last season, and calculate what percentage of that total number is returning as possession-minutes (%RPMs) for this season. For 2015-16, the average major-conference team will return about 60 percent of its possession-minutes from last season.

Enough with the method to this madness. Here are the most experienced major-conference teams you'll see this season

Least experienced major-conference teams

9. Arizona Wildcats
%RPMs: 34
Having won back-to-back outright regular-season Pac-12 titles, Sean Miller may find things a bit more competitive on the left coast this season. California appears to have a good blend of freshmen and veterans, and in Tucson Miller is faced with replacing not only Stanley Johnson but also Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, T.J. McConnell and Brandon Ashley. The incoming freshman class is talented, but for the first time since 2011-12 it appears there's no one-and-done performer on the roster. With Kaleb Tarczewski, Gabe York and Allonzo Trier, the Wildcats could still be the favorites in the Pac-12, but they'll have to work for a third straight title.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... 016-season

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:30 pm

No one's running away with the Pac this season.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:11 am

Beachcat97 wrote:No one's running away with the Pac this season.

I'm gonna go ahead and counter with yes, yes someone is.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:12 pm

Olsondogg wrote:I am not buying stock in Tah...

Agreed. The thing that made them as good as they were is in the NBA now.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:54 pm

Main Event wrote:Most and least experienced rosters for 2015-16

By way of answering that question, allow me to introduce you to the most-and least-experienced major-conference teams for 2015-16. To measure experience, I use a handy item I call possession-minutes. Basically it's the percentage of minutes that a player is on the floor, multiplied by the percentage of possessions he used last season (as seen at KenPom.com). I add those products up for each player on a given team from last season, and calculate what percentage of that total number is returning as possession-minutes (%RPMs) for this season. For 2015-16, the average major-conference team will return about 60 percent of its possession-minutes from last season.

Enough with the method to this madness. Here are the most experienced major-conference teams you'll see this season

Least experienced major-conference teams

9. Arizona Wildcats
%RPMs: 34
Having won back-to-back outright regular-season Pac-12 titles, Sean Miller may find things a bit more competitive on the left coast this season. California appears to have a good blend of freshmen and veterans, and in Tucson Miller is faced with replacing not only Stanley Johnson but also Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, T.J. McConnell and Brandon Ashley. The incoming freshman class is talented, but for the first time since 2011-12 it appears there's no one-and-done performer on the roster. With Kaleb Tarczewski, Gabe York and Allonzo Trier, the Wildcats could still be the favorites in the Pac-12, but they'll have to work for a third straight title.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... 016-season

So a team with possibly 4 seniors in the starting lineup is somehow not expereienced in college basketball?

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:31 pm

Experienced individually, not collectively in Miller's system. Still, that's better than having a load of freshman. Nice mix on this squad.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:23 pm

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:05 pm

gumby wrote:Experienced individually, not collectively in Miller's system. Still, that's better than having a load of freshman. Nice mix on this squad.

Shhh.... Rational explanations like that don't fit in with the "we're being disrespected" card that is so popular among so many. Next you"ll point out that the story in question ranked us the 9th LEAST experienced, as opposed to NOT experienced. Details, details...

But the fact that we are barely ranked in the top 10 by several (with A returning starter and 2 of our top 6 back) proves that we really are under-appreciated.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:49 am

Olsondogg wrote: So a team with possibly 4 seniors in the starting lineup is somehow not expereienced in college basketball?

Presumably Gasaway's equation gives Anderson a zero because he didn't play last year.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:47 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
gumby wrote:Experienced individually, not collectively in Miller's system. Still, that's better than having a load of freshman. Nice mix on this squad.
Shhh.... Rational explanations like that don't fit in with the "we're being disrespected" card that is so popular among so many. Next you"ll point out that the story in question ranked us the 9th LEAST experienced, as opposed to NOT experienced. Details, details...

But the fact that we are barely ranked in the top 10 by several (with A returning starter and 2 of our top 6 back) proves that we really are under-appreciated.

So seniors equal being LEAST experienced as opposed to NOT experienced. Cool semantics.

I could point out that this is actually Miller's MOST experienced team ever, in terms of college basketball games having been played.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:07 pm

Does Tolefson play this year or next?

I forgot about Anderson. Damn, I'm excited to get this party rolling. Luck for me this train starts up right after I take my boards.

Did ChooChoo and ODogg kiss and make up yet? Who made the other breakfast in bed?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:46 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Does Tolefson play this year or next?

This year. Grad transfer, doesn't have to sit out.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:51 pm

Hell Yeah.

We are gonna be good.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:06 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Does Tolefson play this year or next?

I forgot about Anderson. Damn, I'm excited to get this party rolling. Luck for me this train starts up right after I take my boards.

Did ChooChoo and ODogg kiss and make up yet? Who made the other breakfast in bed?

I'm still trying to figure out how the Oakland Raiders can get to the World Series. Once I get that far I'll get to making Dogg breakfast.

az91 · Post by **az91** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:58 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Does Tolefson play this year or next?
This year. Grad transfer, doesn't have to sit out.

Some think Tolefson will be our leading scorer.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:18 pm

Jefe wrote:

Is that Ristic (top left) with beard? As for Tarc and D, how many stat points do you get for hedging properly, keeping guys off the block and generally clogging the lane? Those are the things he does that Miller loves. It isn't bullshit.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:10 am

gumby wrote:
Jefe wrote:
Is that Ristic (top left) with beard? As for Tarc and D, how many stat points do you get for hedging properly, keeping guys off the block and generally clogging the lane? Those are the things he does that Miller loves. It isn't bullshit.

No one in the country does those things better than Zeus that's for sure, especially hedging.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:20 am

My favorite thing about Zeus's hedge is how active his hands are. He's constantly waving them around with purpose, blocking sight lines and passing lanes. To ball handlers it must seem like a 7 foot octopus just ran up on them.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:35 pm

https://youtu.be/WTpQgF--0Aw

Suddenly can't embed (or forgot how). Anyway, here's come Tollefsen, when he was at USF. Think this was his junior year. Can see some plays at:

15 seconds
2:25
3:10
4:40
4:55

Can see EOCT at 3:25

BTW, No. 25 is Cole Dickerson, cousin of Michael.

Tollefsen is a smooth operator. Moves the ball well, and is quite coordinated. Not really a banger, though.

Post by **UAdevil** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:10 am

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:19 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Does Tolefson play this year or next?

I forgot about Anderson. Damn, I'm excited to get this party rolling. Luck for me this train starts up right after I take my boards.

Did ChooChoo and ODogg kiss and make up yet? Who made the other breakfast in bed?
I'm still trying to figure out how the Oakland Raiders can get to the World Series. Once I get that far I'll get to making Dogg breakfast.

Breakfast in bed? Cool, cause the only thing I use this bed for is eating, sleeping and maybe building a little fort.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:28 pm

UAdevil wrote:

Big thanks to my favorite poster and, well, person on the planet. Your generosity knows no bounds. I hope.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:39 am

He gets that shot off at 4:40 pretty quickly. High release and no hesitation to take it. Nice

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:41 am

Offense is far from the concern I have with Tollefsen.

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