lets talk '16

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:26 pm

Does Lightfoot seriously think that KU won't recruit over him in the coming years? If he's really just a role player, then he's gonna be a role player at any major program.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:31 pm

If he wanted to be "the man," he could do what Zimmerman did and play for a third tier program.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:43 am

I won't lose any sleep if lightfoot goes to KU. He will be recruited over at what ever school he goes to.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:17 am

Beachcat97 wrote:If he wanted to be "the man," he could do what Zimmerman did and play for a third tier program.

He could be the man at Stanford, which is why I've never understood his fascination with Arizona and Kansas. I hope I'm wrong and he tears it up on the big stage.

Zimmerman was going to UNLV all along. UCLA was really in it, and he couldn't have come to Arizona had he wanted to. I think Winger was the one who aptly said, "I don't think Wilt could beat out Tarc for a starting position on this year's team."

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:54 am

Longhorned wrote:He could be the man at Stanford, which is why I've never understood his fascination with Arizona and Kansas. I hope I'm wrong and he tears it up on the big stage.

Yikes. With what I've heard I'm not even sure I'd describe it as that. I might say as an upperclassman at Stanford he has a significantly higher chance of getting somewhat meaningful minutes.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:31 am

Players always think (cause they're told) that they are better than they actually are, when entering college. With a few exceptions, they are usually worse.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:50 am

Another fall out from the Lauri commitment? Don't people want to compete anymore?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:10 am

Merkin wrote:Another fall out from the Lauri commitment? Don't people want to compete anymore?

There just aren't enough elite players that they have to compete against one another, but enough so that premier programs get theirs. Players seem to land where they're a good fit. In the case of Lauri, there's reason to believe that nobody in the country could compete with him for minutes at the 4.

This is also why worrying about recruiting is kind of bonkers. As though a Miller-led Arizona would run out of elite prospects for available playing time. If not Leaf, and if not Lauri....

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:25 am

I'm actually happy he's canceling his visit. You're only allowed so many officials, so why waste one on a guy who isn't serious about being a Cat?

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:41 am

Who's in the lead for uncommitted 5-stars?

No. 3 Josh Jackson (SF, 6-7, 195, Prolific Prep (CA)/Southfield, MI) -- Arizona Wildcats
The truth is that this one is still very much in flux. Yes, Arizona and Sean Miller have gone from a quiet contender to a perceived favorite while Michigan State and Maryland have emerged as the two most likely competitors. There’s no denying that Tom Izzo’s top-ranked national class has Jackson excited about the possibility of coming back home to play for the Spartans, while anyone discounting Maryland’s chances probably said the same thing about Diamond Stone at this time last year.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecr ... t?id=14674" target="_blank

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:47 am

I'm concluding that, if Jackson goes to MSU or Maryland or Kansas, something will have changed by the spring. I don't think there's any leaning in any direction. I think the coaching staffs at MSU, Maryland, and Kansas know they're on the outside looking in. The interest in Maryland is polite. The interest in MSU is inferred based on a set of circumstances. The interest in Kansas is longstanding and real. But the idea of Jackson coming to play for Miller, whom he identifies as his coach, is genuine. With all of the authority of a poster on the internets, I'm comfortable enough to end my wondering early on this one and calling Jackson to Arizona in the spring.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:51 am

Diamond Stone, sure do shine.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:32 am

Longhorned wrote:I'm concluding that, if Jackson goes to MSU or Maryland or Kansas, something will have changed by the spring. I don't think there's any leaning in any direction. I think the coaching staffs at MSU, Maryland, and Kansas know they're on the outside looking in. The interest in Maryland is polite. The interest in MSU is inferred based on a set of circumstances. The interest in Kansas is longstanding and real. But the idea of Jackson coming to play for Miller, whom he identifies as his coach, is genuine. With all of the authority of a poster on the internets, I'm comfortable enough to end my wondering early on this one and calling Jackson to Arizona in the spring.

"Like"

Just imagine our '16 lineup. Jeezus.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:26 pm

Miller is "messin with Texas."

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Sean-Miller-v ... d-40429068" target="_blank

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:51 pm

gumby wrote:Miller is "messin with Texas."

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Sean-Miller-v ... d-40429068" target="_blank

Is there even room for him in our '16 backcourt? He'd get pretty limited minutes with KA, PJC, JS, EP, and AT all in the mix. This assumes no one transfers.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:12 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
gumby wrote:Miller is "messin with Texas."

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Sean-Miller-v ... d-40429068" target="_blank
Is there even room for him in our '16 backcourt? He'd get pretty limited minutes with KA, PJC, JS, EP, and AT all in the mix. This assumes no one transfers.

Miller sure seems to think so if he's pushing this hard for him. I could see a world where Allen grad transfers out if he's not a likely starter. Also I'd definitely put AJ above a role player like Pitts. JS can play 3 positions and AJ can play 2, so it's not outside the realm of possibility to find 10-15 minutes a game for AJ. He's definitely a play for the future though. He'd shine as a sophomore and on.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:56 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
gumby wrote:Miller is "messin with Texas."

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Sean-Miller-v ... d-40429068" target="_blank
Is there even room for him in our '16 backcourt? He'd get pretty limited minutes with KA, PJC, JS, EP, and AT all in the mix. This assumes no one transfers.
Miller sure seems to think so if he's pushing this hard for him. I could see a world where Allen grad transfers out if he's not a likely starter. Also I'd definitely put AJ above a role player like Pitts. JS can play 3 positions and AJ can play 2, so it's not outside the realm of possibility to find 10-15 minutes a game for AJ. He's definitely a play for the future though. He'd shine as a sophomore and on.

AJ looks like a very good player. Just not sure he'll be happy with the playing time situation during his freshman year. UT may have more minutes to offer.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:05 pm

Trier
Jackson
Smith
Lauri
Ristic

pass the fucking defibrillator my way right meow!

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:10 pm

No kidding, 97. That's a dominating lineup.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:31 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
gumby wrote:Miller is "messin with Texas."

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Sean-Miller-v ... d-40429068" target="_blank
Is there even room for him in our '16 backcourt? He'd get pretty limited minutes with KA, PJC, JS, EP, and AT all in the mix. This assumes no one transfers.
Miller sure seems to think so if he's pushing this hard for him. I could see a world where Allen grad transfers out if he's not a likely starter. Also I'd definitely put AJ above a role player like Pitts. JS can play 3 positions and AJ can play 2, so it's not outside the realm of possibility to find 10-15 minutes a game for AJ. He's definitely a play for the future though. He'd shine as a sophomore and on.
AJ looks like a very good player. Just not sure he'll be happy with the playing time situation during his freshman year. UT may have more minutes to offer.

Not necessarily, they landed two fairly highly rated guards last year in Eric Davis & Kerwin Roach and also have Joseph Young's younger brother Jacob, who is also fairly highly rated coming in next year. There's also Isaiah Taylor who would be a senior AJ's freshman year if he doesn't leave early and Kendal Yancy who averaged 21mpg as a freshman as well. The road is no more clearer in Austin than it is in Tucson. He's in for plenty of competition if he's choosing between those two schools.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:32 pm

97cats wrote:Trier
Jackson
Smith
Lauri
Ristic

pass the fucking defibrillator my way right meow!

It's nice when your entire starting lineup has lottery upside!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:33 pm

97cats wrote:Trier
Jackson
Smith
Lauri
Ristic

pass the fucking defibrillator my way right meow!

No kidding. Who would even come off the bench out of that 5 in the scenario they're all here next season or do you give the ball to Jackson and just let him work magic?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:37 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: No kidding. Who would even come off the bench out of that 5 in the scenario they're all here next season or do you give the ball to Jackson and just let him go?

that is the starting line-up

ive talked off line about it with a few people but Trier at the NBA level is a one and reminds a lot of people of a young Chauncy Billups type -- including myself.

Lando05 · Post by **Lando05** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:12 am

97cats wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote: No kidding. Who would even come off the bench out of that 5 in the scenario they're all here next season or do you give the ball to Jackson and just let him go?
that is the starting line-up

ive talked off line about it with a few people but Trier at the NBA level is a one and reminds a lot of people of a young Chauncy Billups type -- including myself.

97 you just made my day, that's one hell of a line up.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:33 am

97cats wrote:Trier
Jackson
Smith
Lauri
Ristic

pass the fucking defibrillator my way right meow!

Before we pass the defibrillator, can we decide who's going to pass the basketball?

Chauncey was great (I was at CU at the same time as him -- god, that was a long time ago), but he wasn't exactly surrounded by talent, so he created a lot for himself. We won't need that type of PG...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:54 am

Puerco wrote:
97cats wrote:Trier
Jackson
Smith
Lauri
Ristic

pass the fucking defibrillator my way right meow!
Before we pass the defibrillator, can we decide who's going to pass the basketball?

Chauncey was great (I was at CU at the same time as him -- god, that was a long time ago), but he wasn't exactly surrounded by talent, so he created a lot for himself. We won't need that type of PG...

There are a lot of guys in that lineup who can create their own shot off the dribble. Imagine for a second Trier off the ball taking a smaller PG down low while Lauri, Smith, or JJ plays point forward at the top of the key and spreads the defense out. Dribble drive and finish or kick out to open wings all day long.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:24 am

Individually looks good, but they'd have screen, pass, board and defend. Team. Humble.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:41 am

97cats wrote:Trier
Jackson
Smith
Lauri
Ristic

pass the fucking defibrillator my way right meow!

So you don't think Allen can be a starter? And what about PJC?

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:19 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
97cats wrote:Trier
Jackson
Smith
Lauri
Ristic

pass the fucking defibrillator my way right meow!
So you don't think Allen can be a starter? And what about PJC?

Allen is stronger and bigger. Not a true point guard, but if it was needed he could run the point. Whether he's better than PJC is yet to be seen. Does he see the floor well enough to complete passes? Also, I wonder if his defensive skills are good enough for Miller to give him the ball at game time. Should be interesting watching things shake out.

edit add note:
Kadeem Allen is a bit of an unknown this season.
http://www.scout.com/college/arizona/st ... deem-allen" target="_blank

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:35 am

My guess is that Allen's defense is one of the reasons Miller would give him time at point guard. PJC is obviously the real distributor and perimeter shooter, but when Tollefsen is on the court, you've got ball movement from a different point, and another weapon from the perimeter.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:36 am

Longhorned wrote:I'm concluding that, if Jackson goes to MSU or Maryland or Kansas, something will have changed by the spring. I don't think there's any leaning in any direction. I think the coaching staffs at MSU, Maryland, and Kansas know they're on the outside looking in. The interest in Maryland is polite. The interest in MSU is inferred based on a set of circumstances. The interest in Kansas is longstanding and real. But the idea of Jackson coming to play for Miller, whom he identifies as his coach, is genuine. With all of the authority of a poster on the internets, I'm comfortable enough to end my wondering early on this one and calling Jackson to Arizona in the spring.

Can I get an amen?

Pretty cool (no jinx) read. Hats off for having the b...ls to say this.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:34 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
97cats wrote:Trier
Jackson
Smith
Lauri
Ristic

pass the fucking defibrillator my way right meow!
So you don't think Allen can be a starter? And what about PJC?

SMH. Scroll up. Already been explained. If Trier becomes Billup-like and we land Jackson, those two would not start. It's conditional.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:54 pm

97cats wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote: No kidding. Who would even come off the bench out of that 5 in the scenario they're all here next season or do you give the ball to Jackson and just let him go?
that is the starting line-up

ive talked off line about it with a few people but Trier at the NBA level is a one and reminds a lot of people of a young Chauncy Billups type -- including myself.

Interesting comparison. Ill be on the watch for his on-ball skills this season. He definitely looked more than comfortable navigating off screens and attacking off the dribble in the Red-Blue game.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:49 am

BTW, Chauncey was a chucker.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:54 am

Had to be.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:56 am

gumby wrote:Had to be.

exactly, as would Trier in the same role.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:00 pm

I don't think Trier would have to be a point guard in college or the NBA. There's a good amount of 6'4 2 guards in the league. I'm also not a fan of fitting a square peg into a round hole. Also if Arizona has other guys who can score there's truly no purpose for a Chauncey Billups chucker and we'd have plenty of scorers next season, especially with Josh Jackson in the fold. If we had a chucker as our point guard that year that could lead to chemistry issues up the wazoo.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:49 pm

The point, as I understand it, is that Billups chucked cuz teammates sucked. If Trier were to chuck, he'd be out of luck, as point guard. So if you were to gauge Billups the Buff, you would say "square peg" as a point. Turned out to be a fine one with weapons around him.

Westbrook as a point? I would've said square peg. Reggie Geary? No way! Way. These are teenagers. They're not set in stone.

D. Stoudamire chucked as a senior. Had to.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:04 pm

Our '16 class just got a hell of a lot better. Ray Smith will play his "freshman" year for AZ in '16, provided things go smoothly with his recovery and he remains a UofA student.

Just looking for that silver lining.

Get better soon, Ray

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:21 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Our '16 class just got a hell of a lot better. Ray Smith will play his "freshman" year for AZ in '16, provided things go smoothly with his recovery and he remains a UofA student.

Just looking for that silver lining.

Get better soon, Ray

Our medical staff will make him right and next year we will be legendary

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:53 am

97cats wrote:
gumby wrote:Had to be.
exactly, as would Trier in the same role.

True. All true.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:02 am

luteformayor2 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Our '16 class just got a hell of a lot better. Ray Smith will play his "freshman" year for AZ in '16, provided things go smoothly with his recovery and he remains a UofA student.

Just looking for that silver lining.

Get better soon, Ray
Our medical staff will make him right and next year we will be legendary

With healthy RS:

PCJ/Trier
Allen/Simon
Smith
JJ/LM
Ristic/Comanche

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:55 am

Lauri

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:57 am

97cats wrote:Lauri

?

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:48 am

Holy snaps

Either 97 just had a weird compulsion to type 'lauri' or he is hinting that Lauri may reclassify to this year

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:13 am

luteformayor2 wrote:Holy snaps

Either 97 just had a weird compulsion to type 'lauri' or he is hinting that Lauri may reclassify to this year

Or he's just emphasizing that the '16 class is all about Lauri.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:16 am

Or he is simply stating that Lauri will be starting, no questions asked.

PJC
Trier
Smith (JJ if we get him)
Lauri
Ristic

EOCT · Post by **EOCT** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:31 am

gronk4heisman wrote:Or he is simply stating that Lauri will be starting, no questions asked.

PJC
Trier
Smith (JJ if we get him)
Lauri
Ristic

Exactly. That is, that Lauri was not included in BC's forecast line-up. Nothing more.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:34 am

EOCT wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Or he is simply stating that Lauri will be starting, no questions asked.

PJC
Trier
Smith (JJ if we get him)
Lauri
Ristic

Exactly. That is, that Lauri was not included in BC's forecast line-up. Nothing more.

LM = Lauri Markkanen

EOCT · Post by **EOCT** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:41 am

Chicat wrote:
EOCT wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Or he is simply stating that Lauri will be starting, no questions asked.

PJC
Trier
Smith (JJ if we get him)
Lauri
Ristic

Exactly. That is, that Lauri was not included in BC's forecast line-up. Nothing more.
LM = Lauri Markkanen

Thanks, Chi. After I posted I went to Bc's post and saw I was wrong--"LM" was there. I Then hit delete to correct my mistake and was given a message "You can't delete something you've written which has been replied to"(your post, Chi.)

Sorry for jumping on you BC.

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