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azpenguin wrote:RR went on a rant about scheduling in the press conference today.
PHXCATS wrote:Can we all grow up and stop the Larry Scott is out to get Arizona crap?
Olsondogg wrote:"Fucking Pac-12," "Bullshit conference," "Cheating conference," "Cheating-ass conference"
Those aren't my words, though I agree.
he touched the ball!!!If Miller really believed that do you think Bryne and Hart would be doing more to get in new leadership or moving conferencea. It was a bad apple who is gone.Olsondogg wrote:"Fucking Pac-12," "Bullshit conference," "Cheating conference," "Cheating-ass conference"
Those aren't my words, though I agree.
You're never arguing to get the call that just went against you, you're arguing to get the next call to go your way.azcat49 wrote:azpenguin wrote:RR went on a rant about scheduling in the press conference today.
But Scott doesn't select the teams for the slots, the TV people do right? I hate Scott has much as the next guy and I really beleive he would F AZ in anyway he could but Fox selecting the UDub game for that time slot is beyond Scotts grasp
I don't know how much the conference can influence these things but this is a great point.azpenguin wrote:You're never arguing to get the call that just went against you, you're arguing to get the next call to go your way.azcat49 wrote:azpenguin wrote:RR went on a rant about scheduling in the press conference today.
But Scott doesn't select the teams for the slots, the TV people do right? I hate Scott has much as the next guy and I really beleive he would F AZ in anyway he could but Fox selecting the UDub game for that time slot is beyond Scotts grasp
Arizona has gotten screwed all year on the schedule. No bye week. Late starts on the road. Etc. This is the school's way of putting pressure on the conference to lean on the networks.
Larry's response was very telling. Basically it was "money over everything".BearDown89 wrote:cbssports picks up Rich Rod's scheduling complaint and Larry's response.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... mmish-says" target="_blank
via http://cbssportsapp.com" target="_blank
So how much money are you willing to give back to give schools and the conference more power in TV times? I know everyone hates Scott but he said nothing wrong here and spoke the truth. he isn't trying to screw arizona here. Fox wants to showcase Arizona and it sucks for the timing of this game but no one is trying to screw Arizona by having them in the 2nd best slot of the weekend for the networks.Chicat wrote:Larry's response was very telling. Basically it was "money over everything".BearDown89 wrote:cbssports picks up Rich Rod's scheduling complaint and Larry's response.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... mmish-says" target="_blank
via http://cbssportsapp.com" target="_blank
The PAC is going to end up looking like it just does not give a shit about student athlete physical and mental wellbeing. Just wait until we hit the 5 day road trips in basketball. I wonder how many of those UA is going to be forced to take.
So we're all good with "Money over Everything"? Maybe we should look into changing the conference motto...PHXCATS wrote:So how much money are you willing to give back to give schools and the conference more power in TV times? I know everyone hates Scott but he said nothing wrong here and spoke the truth. he isn't trying to screw arizona here. Fox wants to showcase Arizona and it sucks for the timing of this game but no one is trying to screw Arizona by having them in the 2nd best slot of the weekend for the networks.Chicat wrote:Larry's response was very telling. Basically it was "money over everything".BearDown89 wrote:cbssports picks up Rich Rod's scheduling complaint and Larry's response.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... mmish-says" target="_blank
via http://cbssportsapp.com" target="_blank
The PAC is going to end up looking like it just does not give a shit about student athlete physical and mental wellbeing. Just wait until we hit the 5 day road trips in basketball. I wonder how many of those UA is going to be forced to take.
Looks like Cal has a Wednesday/Sunday roadie to Colorado/Utah, Colorado has one at the Arizona schools, Oregon State has one at Colorado/Utah, Stanford has one at the Oregon schools, Washington has one at the Oregon schools, as does Washington State.PHXCATS wrote:And to answer your basketball question it is zero. Two times it is Thursday to Saturday and two times Wednesday to Saturday. Seems like Scott did Miller a favor and gave no Sunday road games except for Asu.
Your question is, how much money would I be willing to give up to have more control over scheduling?PHXCATS wrote:If you have such a problem with the money the conference is making, it should be easy to answer my question which you didn't do.
I asked what you would be willing, not what a number can be in the contracts currently or next renewal period. I agree it is not for the best for student athletes all the time but it was what every school wanted at the time. And with being on the west coast the conference can't play at 9am and the east coast schools can't play at 11pm. Just the nature of the geography for the conference. I would love it if there was more flexibility but I don't know if is worth paying coaches less and losing them more often, not having the facilities as nice and not being able to do more for the student athletes.Chicat wrote:Your question is, how much money would I be willing to give up to have more control over scheduling?PHXCATS wrote:If you have such a problem with the money the conference is making, it should be easy to answer my question which you didn't do.
That's not an easy question since A) I was not a part of the negotiating process, B) I have no idea what monetary value the networks put on scheduling flexibility, and C) I have no idea how other conferences' TV deals are structured when it comes to scheduling and the monetary value put on that aspect of the contract.
The answer may very well be $0 since it's possible that a better negotiator could have secured better scheduling control for the conference and teams. And it's possible the answer is in the tens of millions of dollars. I honestly don't know (do you?). But I do know that the TV deal as structured now does not take into account student athlete welfare. That should be obvious, to even the biggest Larry Scott fanboy.
I doubt he even has anything to do with selecting those. But I'm talking about the process that resulted in the television channels having the ability to screw over student athletes. He's long talked about the television contract as a feather in his cap. I'm telling you that cap is made from recycled dog feces and everyone around him is too polite to tell him that his head smells like shit, except it seems people around the University of Arizona.PHXCATS wrote:He has nothing to do with the selection process of games except for the Pac12 network games which are usually (I belive twice a year) are the games left over after espn and fox select their games.
I agree with you to a large extent especially with basketball. But every school wanted the money and agreed to the deal that gave the networks the power. But you do have to acknowledge two things. arizona agreed to the TV deal and the network windows are limited for games since the PAC 12 is on the west coast and prior deals the other conferences have which all have more viewers except probably the ACC. I am sure fox will fight like hell to keep it but the biggest issue is the exclusive window during big fox games. Get rid of that and there are more student athlete friendly options.Chicat wrote:I doubt he even has anything to do with selecting those. But I'm talking about the process that resulted in the television channels having the ability to screw over student athletes. He's long talked about the television contract as a feather in his cap. I'm telling you that cap is made from recycled dog feces and everyone around him is too polite to tell him that his head smells like shit, except it seems people around the University of Arizona.PHXCATS wrote:He has nothing to do with the selection process of games except for the Pac12 network games which are usually (I belive twice a year) are the games left over after espn and fox select their games.
Fox and ESPN will not go for restricting their options unless they have to pay pennies on the dollar for the rights. They are paying what they are to have the ability to feature who they want when they have the available times. Colorado sucked last year and every game of theirs was on the PAC12 network while Oregon last year only had one game on PAC12 (only counting conference games)azpenguin wrote:The conference is also at a time zone disadvantage. On the east coast, you can start a game at noon and the entire country can see it, starting at 9 am out west. You can start a game at 8 pm and it's a 5 pm kick for the west coast. The Pac, though, if they schedule a noon kick, it's 3 pm out east, and if they schedule a 7 pm kick it's 10 pm out east. The UW game is going to be an 11 pm kick for the east coast. The window for the Pac for games that aren't running ungodly late out east is short (pretty much 12-4) while the east can play all day and it's going to be during normal viewing hours out here.
The contract is what it is, but the conference needs to lean on the networks to get more games during that mid-day window. Night games are going to happen but the teams need to be rotated better; as RichRod said, can't a team get at least one daytime road game a year? There's been a lot of outpouring of support across the conference for this protest and a lot of people think Arizona has gotten screwed up and down on the schedule this year.
Oh yeah, I realize that. It's a two way street, though, and I'm not saying have the networks give up their rights or put Colorado vs. Oregon St. in a national prime time slot, just that the conference and the networks should work together a bit to ensure a better schedule all around. Doesn't have to be a complete re-vamp. Just some tweaking.PHXCATS wrote:Fox and ESPN will not go for restricting their options unless they have to pay pennies on the dollar for the rights. They are paying what they are to have the ability to feature who they want when they have the available times. Colorado sucked last year and every game of theirs was on the PAC12 network while Oregon last year only had one game on PAC12 (only counting conference games)azpenguin wrote:The conference is also at a time zone disadvantage. On the east coast, you can start a game at noon and the entire country can see it, starting at 9 am out west. You can start a game at 8 pm and it's a 5 pm kick for the west coast. The Pac, though, if they schedule a noon kick, it's 3 pm out east, and if they schedule a 7 pm kick it's 10 pm out east. The UW game is going to be an 11 pm kick for the east coast. The window for the Pac for games that aren't running ungodly late out east is short (pretty much 12-4) while the east can play all day and it's going to be during normal viewing hours out here.
The contract is what it is, but the conference needs to lean on the networks to get more games during that mid-day window. Night games are going to happen but the teams need to be rotated better; as RichRod said, can't a team get at least one daytime road game a year? There's been a lot of outpouring of support across the conference for this protest and a lot of people think Arizona has gotten screwed up and down on the schedule this year.
Again, what other options are there? 330 eastern times booked solid always with ACC SEC Big Ten and Big 12. Can't play at 9 or 10 am on the West. Fox has an agreement with the conc that when they have 7 and 8 eastern time games no other pac 12 games can be held. There are tons of networks but unless there is pAC12 2 or games are on BYUTV or nbcsportsnetwork there aren't enough slots availableUAEebs86 wrote:Nothing says national exposure like games that finish around 2:30 AM Eastern time.
Nothing can be done about that game at this point. That's a stupid gotcha question. But there is a correctable perception issue out there.PHXCATS wrote:So Chicat, what do you want to see done? The PAC force FS1 to move the game to a differ time? Force FS1 to switch the game they are covering?
So you want to ruin a relationship with Fox. Okay. And no good reason? There are not the available slots for the PAC 12 as there is for other conferences. Maybe explore NBC in the future so that this won't happen as often?Chicat wrote:Nothing can be done about that game at this point. That's a stupid gotcha question. But there is a correctable perception issue out there.PHXCATS wrote:So Chicat, what do you want to see done? The PAC force FS1 to move the game to a differ time? Force FS1 to switch the game they are covering?
What I'd like to see is Larry Scott at least pay lip service to the complaints; claim "we are working with our media partners to ensure that the health, safety, and well being of our student athletes is of the utmost concern when scheduling games," and for him to not appear to be stepping over the exhausted bodies of Arizona football players on his way to take a dip in his pool filled with gold coins Scrooge McDuck-style.
You may think that's too much to ask, but just acknowledging there's an issue and asking the networks what we can do about it is a good first step. Like I said, nothing can be done about the Washington game at this point, but that doesn't mean that it can't be corrected for the future. Maybe if Larry and the conference make Fox look like evil money-grubbing assholes (instead of themselves) there will be enough external pressure that maybe they take a less high profile game in a late slot so that the kids aren't flying thousands of miles overnight for no good damn reason.
This is getting hilarious. At this point you're arguing just to argue.PHXCATS wrote:So you want to ruin a relationship with Fox. Okay. And no good reason? There are not the available slots for the PAC 12 as there is for other conferences. Maybe explore NBC in the future so that this won't happen as often?Chicat wrote:Nothing can be done about that game at this point. That's a stupid gotcha question. But there is a correctable perception issue out there.PHXCATS wrote:So Chicat, what do you want to see done? The PAC force FS1 to move the game to a differ time? Force FS1 to switch the game they are covering?
What I'd like to see is Larry Scott at least pay lip service to the complaints; claim "we are working with our media partners to ensure that the health, safety, and well being of our student athletes is of the utmost concern when scheduling games," and for him to not appear to be stepping over the exhausted bodies of Arizona football players on his way to take a dip in his pool filled with gold coins Scrooge McDuck-style.
You may think that's too much to ask, but just acknowledging there's an issue and asking the networks what we can do about it is a good first step. Like I said, nothing can be done about the Washington game at this point, but that doesn't mean that it can't be corrected for the future. Maybe if Larry and the conference make Fox look like evil money-grubbing assholes (instead of themselves) there will be enough external pressure that maybe they take a less high profile game in a late slot so that the kids aren't flying thousands of miles overnight for no good damn reason.
Are you sure Scott did not ask fox to consider Oregon State Colorado?
The public pressure is a big part of this. Byrne has been getting a lot of questions and complaints from fans about the game time scheduling. Even if nothing happens, people see that the department pushed back and didn't just sit back and play the good soldier.RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Let's get this in public (complain). Media will pick up on it. Media loves controversy and likes RR. Try to Force TV Networks to pay attention.
In the meantime, heh, heh, let's make it harder for the Networks to put UA in a similar situation in the final games of season (try to get some relief where wcan to help with the no bye weeks). Squeaky wheel. If they do, the foundation set to continue the conversation and let's push to get some policy in place to minimize or amend contract for the future. Also, build support from other power conferences (Ncaa autonomy). Build a more powerful coalition to put pressure on the Networks. Not just the pac12
Public pressure. With UA leading the way...
No it is correcting your inaccurate postASUHATER! wrote:That's what phxcats does..bitch to bitch
Yeah like a 1230 ABC/ESPN 2 gameFishclamps wrote:Hoo boy he is gonna be fucking pissed. And if Utah is still ranked high enough they'll give us some early afternoon game I'm guessing.
I'd be pissed. Tired of the day games.ASUHATER! wrote:Yeah like a 1230 ABC/ESPN 2 gameFishclamps wrote:Hoo boy he is gonna be fucking pissed. And if Utah is still ranked high enough they'll give us some early afternoon game I'm guessing.
I still look like a lobster from Saturday.FightWildcatsFight wrote:I'd be pissed. Tired of the day games.ASUHATER! wrote:Yeah like a 1230 ABC/ESPN 2 gameFishclamps wrote:Hoo boy he is gonna be fucking pissed. And if Utah is still ranked high enough they'll give us some early afternoon game I'm guessing.
Know people like the conspiracies and hate on Larry Scott. Fine, no problem (not saying you ASUHater, just using your comment for my post). Continue on, but at least I can provide some details around this scheduling issues so you in the know:ASUHATER! wrote:Seriously what does it take for us to get 4-5 p.m. kickoff
Would this tweet also be described as selective? I find it pretty apparent the discrepancy with scheduling that we are handed, I just hope it doesn't end up costing us our coach. I find it even more disturbing that this only started around the time that Miller called out the Pac 12 for being crooked, or maybe I just love a good conspiracy.RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
In my opinion, he's being selective. Only Conference and 1:30pm or earlier start. Here's Conference only and Day road game (before 6pm). Guess it comes down to what is their definition of what a Day game is. Maybe they mean morning or early afternoon
Not sure yet. Researching it. So far it doesn't seem out of line with rest of league. Facts are facts. People can still think AZ handled differently than others in league. Some are because National TV networks don't pick them to be on their airwaves. Others are , because of their TV Markets.gronk4heisman wrote: Would this tweet also be described as selective? I find it pretty apparent the discrepancy with scheduling that we are handed, I just hope it doesn't end up costing us our coach. I find it even more disturbing that this only started around the time that Miller called out the Pac 12 for being crooked, or maybe I just love a good conspiracy.
