let's talk '15

KOQSTRONG · Post by **KOQSTRONG** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:50 am

Nice! I had an email alert from scout yesterday in my spam folder I just checked today and I'm usually expecting another 3 star football player, but when I see it's the BBall commits, I get all warm and fuzzy inside! Welcome Ray Smith!!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:48 am

Yay. We kneed him.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:19 pm

HiCat wrote:Outstanding commit. Hope for a speedy rehab.

Recovery time for a torn ACL ranges from four to eight months. Smith’s father said surgery would be done “as soon as possible” once they get back to Las Vegas.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/las ... -tears-acl

4 is insane. And would not be worth the push given the risk of re-tear. Doctors used to operate on a 6 month checklist, but they are readjusting to look at it as more of a 6 to 9 month process. Unless you go to Europe or Antartica or space or wherever AP went and have live humans injected into your leg.

i wonder what they will use for the new one (hamstring or pateller tendon)...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:39 pm

Read earlier where he is going to skip his senior season and just heal up and rehab.

thenewazcats · Post by **thenewazcats** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:11 pm

Merkin wrote:Read earlier where he is going to skip his senior season and just heal up and rehab.

I think that's a really good idea, but then again I'm not a coach nor a doctor. I just want him healthy down the stretch as a freshman and hopefully sophomore.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:31 pm

doubt he plays high school or AAU again -- should be tip top shape for his first summer at Arizona

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:36 pm

Derrick Rose is telling him to take a redshirt year too.

Hopefully people around Smith push him to do the right thing. Too often, injury rehab gets twisted up when a player's ranking starts falling. That's OK, though. You don't get any prize for his ranking.

ElGatoBlanco · Post by **ElGatoBlanco** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:00 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Derrick Rose is telling him to take a redshirt year too.

Hopefully people around Smith push him to do the right thing. Too often, injury rehab gets twisted up when a player's ranking starts falling. That's OK, though. You don't get any prize for his ranking.

It'll be 16 months before he plays a game for Arizona. He won't need a redshirt year.

What examples are there of injury rehab getting twisted up with player's rankings? Committing to Arizona negates all worried about recruit rankings fwiw.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:56 am

ElGatoBlanco wrote: It'll be 16 months before he plays a game for Arizona. He won't need a redshirt year.

What examples are there of injury rehab getting twisted up with player's rankings? Committing to Arizona negates all worried about recruit rankings fwiw.

But if he drops in the rankings it'll hurt our class ranking!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:38 pm

ElGatoBlanco wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Derrick Rose is telling him to take a redshirt year too.

Hopefully people around Smith push him to do the right thing. Too often, injury rehab gets twisted up when a player's ranking starts falling. That's OK, though. You don't get any prize for his ranking.
It'll be 16 months before he plays a game for Arizona. He won't need a redshirt year.

What examples are there of injury rehab getting twisted up with player's rankings? Committing to Arizona negates all worried about recruit rankings fwiw.

Sitting out AAU has a negative impact on a player's rankings. That's where the majority of the rise and fall of rankings happens. Just compare pre and post summer rankings to see the impact.

ElGatoBlanco · Post by **ElGatoBlanco** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:22 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ElGatoBlanco wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Derrick Rose is telling him to take a redshirt year too.

Hopefully people around Smith push him to do the right thing. Too often, injury rehab gets twisted up when a player's ranking starts falling. That's OK, though. You don't get any prize for his ranking.
It'll be 16 months before he plays a game for Arizona. He won't need a redshirt year.

What examples are there of injury rehab getting twisted up with player's rankings? Committing to Arizona negates all worried about recruit rankings fwiw.
Sitting out AAU has a negative impact on a player's rankings. That's where the majority of the rise and fall of rankings happens. Just compare pre and post summer rankings to see the impact.

For an unknown or an unscouted prospect I absolutely agree with you. For Ray personally, he has been on the circuit for some time, played in the April tourneys, PANGOS, and everything he could. He'll miss the Adidas 64 in Las Vegas and that's pretty much it for the Summer circuit and every incoming HS Seniors AAU career. It definitely sucks for a guy who is working on getting offers and is still a bit of a unknown, but for someone like Ray? Nah.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:47 pm

Prior to injury Scout crew was mentioning a possible top-10 ranking. Smith's ceiling is about as high as anyone's in the class.

I doubt his ranking falls much. Least not at Scout.

Where it hurts in acclaim is no McD AA.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:51 pm

Judging by his presence on twitter he doesn't care about HS accolades at this point...just wants to get in a UA uni asap.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:17 pm

ElGatoBlanco wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ElGatoBlanco wrote:
It'll be 16 months before he plays a game for Arizona. He won't need a redshirt year.

What examples are there of injury rehab getting twisted up with player's rankings? Committing to Arizona negates all worried about recruit rankings fwiw.
Sitting out AAU has a negative impact on a player's rankings. That's where the majority of the rise and fall of rankings happens. Just compare pre and post summer rankings to see the impact.
For an unknown or an unscouted prospect I absolutely agree with you. For Ray personally, he has been on the circuit for some time, played in the April tourneys, PANGOS, and everything he could. He'll miss the Adidas 64 in Las Vegas and that's pretty much it for the Summer circuit and every incoming HS Seniors AAU career. It definitely sucks for a guy who is working on getting offers and is still a bit of a unknown, but for someone like Ray? Nah.

Don't get it wrong, I don't think he'll lose offers. There are always risers during this time period, and a few might overtake him, but my main point was that he was doing the right thing in not reacting out of fear of dropping from 22 to 32 or 42, but in selecting a path that protects his potential and his future.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:26 am

http://tucson.com/online/video/video-ua ... 08727.html

TheBlackLodge · Post by **TheBlackLodge** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:25 am

Here's an embed of the above link (Thanks HiCat):

[youtube]sYHPc9Foqo0[/youtube]

ElGatoBlanco · Post by **ElGatoBlanco** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:48 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Don't get it wrong, I don't think he'll lose offers. There are always risers during this time period, and a few might overtake him, but my main point was that he was doing the right thing in not reacting out of fear of dropping from 22 to 32 or 42, but in selecting a path that protects his potential and his future.

That's more than fair. I just don't know how many guys with serious injuries hurry back because of their ranking unless of course they don't have many options during the time of their injury.

salim'sheadband · Post by **salim'sheadband** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:10 pm

Jesus, that baby face. It's easy to forget these guys are just kids.

If we get Rabb too with Smith and PJC we'll lead the nation in guys who look 13.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:13 pm

ElGatoBlanco wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Don't get it wrong, I don't think he'll lose offers. There are always risers during this time period, and a few might overtake him, but my main point was that he was doing the right thing in not reacting out of fear of dropping from 22 to 32 or 42, but in selecting a path that protects his potential and his future.
That's more than fair. I just don't know how many guys with serious injuries hurry back because of their ranking unless of course they don't have many options during the time of their injury.

Or their AAU coach convinces them they could drop, with the secret agenda of building his own brand off the backs of injured 17 year olds. I tend to regard most AAU coaches as possessing a slightly better moral compass than Jeffrey Dahmer.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:05 pm

salim'sheadband wrote:Jesus, that baby face. It's easy to forget these guys are just kids.

If we get Rabb too with Smith and PJC we'll lead the nation in guys who look 13.

Tell me about it. This is my son's graduating class. Just out of diapers, as I recall.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:07 pm

TheBlackLodge wrote:Here's an embed of the above link (Thanks HiCat):

[youtube]sYHPc9Foqo0[/youtube]

Muehlebach's number. Maybe he can match Matt's home record.

azcat34 · Post by **azcat34** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:04 am

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status ... 3887082497

Chance Comanche says he has an official visit to Arizona set for September 13.

ASU, UCLA, USC, UConn, NC State, Cal also in his top seven.

Still having trouble with the embedding on here.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:30 pm

Simon
Trier
Smith
Rabb
Comanche

That is my ideal.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:14 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Simon
Trier
Smith
Rabb
Comanche

That is my ideal.

Me too. Plus Anderson off his red shirt!

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:15 pm

My ideal would be that nobody leaves early. That's always my ideal

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:18 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Simon
Trier
Smith
Rabb
Comanche

That is my ideal.
Me too. Plus Anderson off his red shirt!

Anderson plus Victor/Ristic would make me miss Comanche less than anyone else if we could get the other four. Rabb, Anderson is a solid combo with 2 sophs to lend a hand.

Edited for Odogg: it ain't gonna happen, and it's not a bad thing. Putting a lot of Cats in the NBA is a big part of future success. It helps to have recruits watch AG match up with Solomon and Stanley on the big stage.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:21 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Simon
Trier
Smith
Rabb
Comanche

That is my ideal.
Me too. Plus Anderson off his red shirt!
Anderson plus Victor/Ristic would make me miss Comanche less than anyone else if we could get the other four. Rabb, Anderson is a solid combo with 2 sophs to lend a hand.

Edited for Odogg: it ain't gonna happen, and it's not a bad thing. Putting a lot of Cats in the NBA is a big part of future success. It helps to have recruits watch AG match up with Solomon and Stanley on the big stage.

Yeah a frontcourt of rabb/Anderson/ristic/Victor would be acceptable with having Simon/Smith/trier/Allen/York/Pitts in the backcourt.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:24 pm

azcat34 wrote:Still having trouble with the embedding on here.

http://forum.prodigaleyelid.com/viewtop ... f=26&t=310

EOCT · Post by **EOCT** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:15 pm

Love Smith.

Love Trier. Determined baller. Loves the net. Plays some D and should grow. Quick jumper!! Hits the J, but kind of inconsistent(who isn't?) and stroke problems---elbow out, shot-put tendency, has the ball pretty low a lot.

But the damn determination, relentless play. Finishes! Yeah, Love this guy.

Briscoe. Wow, what to make of him? Looks lackadaisical, but is actually both very fast and quick. Gets way out and quickly on the step. Nice smooth stroke with a very quick release. Six two or three tall, but has big wingspan----maybe 4-6" beyond height. Sweet passer. Smart. Doesn't show much interest in D so far. Like his potential a lot, though.

Hard decision if it's really a "choice" situation. Wish we could land both: Add them to Simon and our backcourt smokes! And with lots of flexibility between PG and SG. Smith, Trier, Briscoe, Simon...and Rabb or Comanche. Are 14, 15, 16, 17 here yet?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:27 pm

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Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:52 pm

When Trier puts on a little more muscle I think he'll take his game to a whole other level.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:59 pm

Chicat wrote:When Trier puts on a little more muscle I think he'll take his game to a whole other level.

He doesn't look very physically developed. He gets that aspect dialed in, he should have a high ceiling.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:24 pm

97cats wrote:Alonzo Trier

Can't wait to see this kid in an Arizona uniform.

Bear Down!!!

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:41 pm

I like this Trier kid. Plans on being a one and done, but that's cool.

[youtube]dHWwOfO-obQ[/youtube]

ElGatoBlanco · Post by **ElGatoBlanco** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:16 pm

Merkin wrote:I like this Trier kid. Plans on being a one and done, but that's cool.

[youtube]dHWwOfO-obQ[/youtube]

He didn't say that was the plan, he said that was the goal. That's the goal for every player.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:31 am

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:33 am

CBCat · Post by **CBCat** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:44 am

Yay yay yay or is it yeah yeah yeah. ok lets go with YES!!!!!
Love Sean Miller.

Oh and McKale looking shweeeeeet!

p.s. what's next???

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:46 am

Main Event wrote:

Very cool!

Five-star shooting guard Allonzo Trier commits to Arizona

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Five-star shooting guard Allonzo Trier has committed to Sean Miller and Arizona on Sunday morning, according to multiple reports.

Evan Daniels of Scout.com first reported the commitment, immediately followed by a tweet from Jeff Goodman of ESPN.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports. ... o-arizona/

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:05 am

Just landed my favorite player in the class!!!

Gotta have scoring wings. Just have to.

Got the best one in the class! Can't wait to see how Miller elevates his game. Kid looked great in the USA games. Playing alongside talent will only make him more efficient!

Ih8assu · Post by **Ih8assu** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:36 am

The rich get richer!!

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:41 am

97 What's the next piece to fall?

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:42 am

Nothing from bazzie yet. . .

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:52 am

Hell Yeah.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:56 am

3goggles wrote:97 What's the next piece to fall?

i think Comanche is going to be a Wildcat.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:05 am

Gotta love this quote from one of the Kansas' board.
Damn, Miller is on a freaking roll over there.

http://kansas.247sports.com/Board/59455 ... t-29851622

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:49 am

Irish27 wrote:Gotta love this quote from one of the Kansas' board.
Damn, Miller is on a freaking roll over there.

http://kansas.247sports.com/Board/59455 ... t-29851622

They should have listened to our boards. In 97cats I trust.

BTW, Allonzo is 6'4", 6' 7" with the fade:

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:56 am

i'd like to think comanche decides sometime in the next 2-3 months. may have to wait until next march or april for rabb.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:15 am

So am I wrong to think that UA ends with:
Simon
Smith
Trier
Chance
Rabb

Are we only signing 5 or is there a chance of signing 6

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:23 am

Miller for Governor!

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