Coach Rod

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:43 pm

Hold Scheer accountable? How? And for what? Passing along rumors? Yeah, that's not allowed on the interwebs...

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:45 pm

Chicat wrote:Hold Scheer accountable? How? And for what? Passing along rumors? Yeah, that's not allowed on the interwebs...

In believing him. It is a joke. He's not a journalist, so no guidelines to follow. But one can judge how good or not his rumors are. Which is why I added that he said the same rumor with many other openings. Grain/salt stuff

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:08 pm

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
Chicat wrote:Hold Scheer accountable? How? And for what? Passing along rumors? Yeah, that's not allowed on the interwebs...

In believing him. It is a joke. He's not a journalist, so no guidelines to follow. But one can judge how good or not his rumors are. Which is why I added that he said the same rumor with many other openings. Grain/salt stuff

Acting like Scheer is some sort of journalistic authority is a joke. Any one who takes his musings as having some insider scoop needs to recalibrate their expectations.

The longer the ntSC job remains open, the more likely an RR hire becomes. This could be going down exactly as I have feared.i really hope not.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:07 pm

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
Chicat wrote:Hold Scheer accountable? How? And for what? Passing along rumors? Yeah, that's not allowed on the interwebs...

In believing him. It is a joke. He's not a journalist, so no guidelines to follow. But one can judge how good or not his rumors are. Which is why I added that he said the same rumor with many other openings. Grain/salt stuff

You mentioned Louisville. If memory serves, there were tons of people (journalists and otherwise) who said he was a candidate for that job. Whole articles were written about it. Because it didn't happen that somehow disqualifies Scheer alone from ever commenting on RichRod's job prospects?

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:24 pm

Chicat wrote:Because it didn't happen that somehow disqualifies Scheer alone from ever commenting on RichRod's job prospects?

No, not at all. It was wrong though. If I recall, RR shot that down pretty quick. Came out "quickly" after rumors from Louisville that RR would not be a candidate there.

In my earlier post I also added that Wolken also wrong many times. So Scheer not alone. I was also asking for more info/background/details than just Scheer's generic tweet that some think it means RR and ntSC. Tweet Didn't even mention RR. But I think it's OK for a forum to point out he/they wrong alot. Or at least add some meat to the rumor (like Louisville's)...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:33 pm

"Wrong" is a funny term to use when discussing coaching carousel rumors.

I mean, if everyone was held accountable for any rumor they pass along in that regard, they'd be "wrong" about 90+% of the time and no one would ever be believed about anything. Just because RR isn't the current coach of Louisville, doesn't mean he wasn't a candidate, didn't entertain the idea, his agent/reps didn't talk to people at that program and so forth.

97Cats called Sean Miller to Maryland. Told everyone it was all but a done deal. Sean Miller is still the coach at Arizona. Should we hold 97 accountable for being "wrong"? When he tells us that Allonzo Trier, or Stanley Johnson, or Aaron Gordon are locks to be Wildcats, should we all say, "Yeah, but you were wrong about Sean Miller to Maryland..." Because CSM didn't end up taking the job?

I've seen enough people over the past few weeks talk about RR being a fallback option for South Carolina that even if RR is the coach of Arizona next year I'm not going to say that Jason Scheer was "wrong". There is obviously at least some smoke there. If Scheer doesn't address it, and RR does fly the coop and land in Columbia, then Cat fans who follow him would be saying, "But you never even mentioned South Carolina! You were WRONG!"

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:40 pm

Chicat wrote:I've seen enough people over the past few weeks talk about RR being a fallback option for South Carolina that even if RR is the coach of Arizona next year I'm not going to say that Jason Scheer was "wrong". There is obviously at least some smoke there. If Scheer doesn't address it, and RR does fly the coop and land in Columbia, then Cat fans who follow him would be saying, "But you never even mentioned South Carolina! You were WRONG!"

OK, he wasn't wrong and you're right. We can all have our own assessments.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:36 pm

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
Chicat wrote:I've seen enough people over the past few weeks talk about RR being a fallback option for South Carolina that even if RR is the coach of Arizona next year I'm not going to say that Jason Scheer was "wrong". There is obviously at least some smoke there. If Scheer doesn't address it, and RR does fly the coop and land in Columbia, then Cat fans who follow him would be saying, "But you never even mentioned South Carolina! You were WRONG!"
OK, he wasn't wrong and you're right. We can all have our own assessments.

I don't care that Scheer is or was wrong, what I do care about is that he acts like he has the inside scoop and then condescends those who challenge them. Not a good formula.

That and he thinks he is a sports journalist and acts like a fan with his panties in a bunch when recruit spurns the school whose fan site he runs.

He is a fan site moderator, nothing wrong with that. It's a good gig... Just stop pretending like he is something he isn't.

dc4azcats · Post by **dc4azcats** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:22 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
Chicat wrote:I've seen enough people over the past few weeks talk about RR being a fallback option for South Carolina that even if RR is the coach of Arizona next year I'm not going to say that Jason Scheer was "wrong". There is obviously at least some smoke there. If Scheer doesn't address it, and RR does fly the coop and land in Columbia, then Cat fans who follow him would be saying, "But you never even mentioned South Carolina! You were WRONG!"
OK, he wasn't wrong and you're right. We can all have our own assessments.
I don't care that Scheer is or was wrong, what I do care about is that he acts like he has the inside scoop and then condescends those who challenge them. Not a good formula.

That and he thinks he is a sports journalist and acts like a fan with his panties in a bunch when recruit spurns the school whose fan site he runs.

He is a fan site moderator, nothing wrong with that. It's a good gig... Just stop pretending like he is something he isn't.

Very much like with Greg Hansen, you would probably be surprised with who talks with Scheer. I know it isn't going to change your mind but he's not who you say he is. Very unassuming guy and a great guy to hang with and talk sports with.

Thing is, most everybody thought he was gone to VT and it made all the sense in the world and one has to wonder what went wrong? I got my info from two former UA coaches who swore that a deal had been locked up with RR to VT for awhile now. Like it wasn't even a question that RR was taking the VT job. 4 weeks later and he never even got an offer from VT.

The South Carolina deal is just a cluster fuch at this point. They thought they had Herman locked up and didn't bother to have a plan B or C because they were so sure that they were getting Herman. Then when that went South they thought they had Smart because no way Georgia is firing Richt? Now they're scrambling and rumors have been running wild as to whether or not RR is in the picture there. My guess is even if they did call RR at this point I think he says no. Nobody wants to be the only guy who said yes, when everybody else said no, unless you don't have a choice and you really need the job.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:35 pm

I know what happened at VT. Can't go into too much detail, but it rhymes with "Tree Free Drive".

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:37 pm

tgrumpy2 · Post by **tgrumpy2** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:25 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
Chicat wrote:I've seen enough people over the past few weeks talk about RR being a fallback option for South Carolina that even if RR is the coach of Arizona next year I'm not going to say that Jason Scheer was "wrong". There is obviously at least some smoke there. If Scheer doesn't address it, and RR does fly the coop and land in Columbia, then Cat fans who follow him would be saying, "But you never even mentioned South Carolina! You were WRONG!"
OK, he wasn't wrong and you're right. We can all have our own assessments.
I don't care that Scheer is or was wrong, what I do care about is that he acts like he has the inside scoop and then condescends those who challenge them. Not a good formula.

That and he thinks he is a sports journalist and acts like a fan with his panties in a bunch when recruit spurns the school whose fan site he runs.

He is a fan site moderator, nothing wrong with that. It's a good gig... Just stop pretending like he is something he isn't.
Very much like with Greg Hansen, you would probably be surprised with who talks with Scheer. I know it isn't going to change your mind but he's not who you say he is. Very unassuming guy and a great guy to hang with and talk sports with.

Thing is, most everybody thought he was gone to VT and it made all the sense in the world and one has to wonder what went wrong? I got my info from two former UA coaches who swore that a deal had been locked up with RR to VT for awhile now. Like it wasn't even a question that RR was taking the VT job. 4 weeks later and he never even got an offer from VT.

The South Carolina deal is just a cluster fuch at this point. They thought they had Herman locked up and didn't bother to have a plan B or C because they were so sure that they were getting Herman. Then when that went South they thought they had Smart because no way Georgia is firing Richt? Now they're scrambling and rumors have been running wild as to whether or not RR is in the picture there. My guess is even if they did call RR at this point I think he says no. Nobody wants to be the only guy who said yes, when everybody else said no, unless you don't have a choice and you really need the job.

So you talked to two "former" UofA coaches? Are these coaches still coaching somewhere else that competes for the same recruits we want? Did you ever stop to think maybe they were blowing smoke up your rear end?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:00 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:07 pm

To keep Casteel?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:16 pm

Chicat wrote:

What in the world would he want and one would assume to some degree he asked the same of us when he was being courted. Would love to know what those things were past his buds coaching with him. Any guesses?

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:17 pm

Imagine that...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:18 pm

Could be anything from a private jet for recruiting to a membership at Augusta National.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:19 pm

Lifetime supply of Flaming Hot Cheetos.

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:28 pm

Subscription to Scout SC. That was bad...

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:32 pm

I think we can swing a free BDW premium script if he stays.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:48 pm

So it wasn't Cheetos...

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:49 pm

Chicat wrote:So it wasn't Cheetos...

I bet they were involved though.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:08 pm

Lol that's pretty funny. Maybe he actually does like arizona.

I like my crow with orange sauce. Fire up the grill.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:00 pm

dc4azcats wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:
Chicat wrote:I've seen enough people over the past few weeks talk about RR being a fallback option for South Carolina that even if RR is the coach of Arizona next year I'm not going to say that Jason Scheer was "wrong". There is obviously at least some smoke there. If Scheer doesn't address it, and RR does fly the coop and land in Columbia, then Cat fans who follow him would be saying, "But you never even mentioned South Carolina! You were WRONG!"
OK, he wasn't wrong and you're right. We can all have our own assessments.
I don't care that Scheer is or was wrong, what I do care about is that he acts like he has the inside scoop and then condescends those who challenge them. Not a good formula.

That and he thinks he is a sports journalist and acts like a fan with his panties in a bunch when recruit spurns the school whose fan site he runs.

He is a fan site moderator, nothing wrong with that. It's a good gig... Just stop pretending like he is something he isn't.
Very much like with Greg Hansen, you would probably be surprised with who talks with Scheer. I know it isn't going to change your mind but he's not who you say he is. Very unassuming guy and a great guy to hang with and talk sports with.

Thing is, most everybody thought he was gone to VT and it made all the sense in the world and one has to wonder what went wrong? I got my info from two former UA coaches who swore that a deal had been locked up with RR to VT for awhile now. Like it wasn't even a question that RR was taking the VT job. 4 weeks later and he never even got an offer from VT.

The South Carolina deal is just a cluster fuch at this point. They thought they had Herman locked up and didn't bother to have a plan B or C because they were so sure that they were getting Herman. Then when that went South they thought they had Smart because no way Georgia is firing Richt? Now they're scrambling and rumors have been running wild as to whether or not RR is in the picture there. My guess is even if they did call RR at this point I think he says no. Nobody wants to be the only guy who said yes, when everybody else said no, unless you don't have a choice and you really need the job.

I can hazard a guess as to what happened with VT... and I do not doubt that your info was legit and solid. But most people close to and around the UA program think RichRod walks on water, and do not see that the rest of the world sees him very differently.

The AD wanted to hire RR until the alumni and boosters showed up with torches and pitchforks and he was forced to go in a different direction. Gives a possible alternative view to Rich Rod's considerably more aggressive coaching style/ play calling in the last 3 games.

Nobody wants to be the 3rd choice, except Pete Carroll. I suspect RR doesn't either, and took the position with ntUSC "If you want me now, it is going to cost you". They may have moved on, but they may have no choice but to rethink their position, because they are drowning in a very public way, and need a life raft. Quickly.

I feel better than I did, but I will not fully exhale until they announce a new coach in Columbia.

As for Scheer, I have never met him and do not doubt he is a good guy. But his Twitter persona, and the quips he makes on that medium, are uber-douchey.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:45 pm

azgreg wrote:
Chicat wrote:So it wasn't Cheetos...

I bet they were involved though.

Any person in a position of any kind of power has a Cheeto number in mind, in case a head hunter ever comes calling. That I can tell you with certainty.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:58 pm

My Cheeto number to start posting at PGU is in the millions . . . of tons.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:21 am

Chicat wrote:So it wasn't Cheetos...

Austin Powers - 100 billion dollars: http://youtu.be/jTmXHvGZiSY" target="_blank

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:37 pm

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:42 pm

We're fucked.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:47 pm

Merged your thread into this one Dill . . . . mostly because if I see another thread dedicated to whether RichRod will stay or go I might drink cheap whiskey until my liver falls out of my butthole.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:48 pm

You mean they didn't decide to go hard after Muschamp???

Once the South Carolina search started to go sideways it wasn't too hard to imagine these talks would occur. We will see what the result is.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:50 pm

On a totally separate note, journalists used to use two independent sources before publishing stories. Is that no longer the standard? This story says that one source indicated there would be an interview. Unless that source is the USC AD or RichRod himself, why no corroboration?

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:51 pm

Jesus, these rumor mills are annoying as fuck.

uacat540 · Post by **uacat540** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:52 pm

Meh, at this point if he wants to go to what is the 4th best job in the SEC East and the 8-10 best job in the conferece, let him.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:53 pm

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:57 pm

uacat540 wrote:Meh, at this point if he wants to go to what is the 4th best job in the SEC East and the 8-10 best job in the conferece, let him.

And considering his salary here and the bonus structure they'd probably need to pay him somewhere around $3.5M a year just to match salary and retention bonuses, and that's assuming he gets no salary bump up for moving across country.

So if they want to pay him $3.5M+ a year and he wants to take that marginal job....then have at.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:59 pm

Peace.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:00 pm

SCCats wrote:
uacat540 wrote:Meh, at this point if he wants to go to what is the 4th best job in the SEC East and the 8-10 best job in the conferece, let him.
And considering his salary here and the bonus structure they'd probably need to pay him somewhere around $3.5M a year just to match salary and retention bonuses, and that's assuming he gets no salary bump up for moving across country.

So if they want to pay him $3.5M+ a year and he wants to take that marginal job....then have at.

And we'll hire Sonny Dykes and probably not miss a beat.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:02 pm

Chicat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
uacat540 wrote:Meh, at this point if he wants to go to what is the 4th best job in the SEC East and the 8-10 best job in the conferece, let him.
And considering his salary here and the bonus structure they'd probably need to pay him somewhere around $3.5M a year just to match salary and retention bonuses, and that's assuming he gets no salary bump up for moving across country.

So if they want to pay him $3.5M+ a year and he wants to take that marginal job....then have at.
And we'll hire Sonny Dykes and probably not miss a beat.

+100

At least Dykes can make defensive coaching adjustments.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:04 pm

Chicat wrote:On a totally separate note, journalists used to use two independent sources before publishing stories. Is that no longer the standard? This story says that one source indicated there would be an interview. Unless that source is the USC AD or RichRod himself, why no corroboration?

Now that I realize it was Feldman, makes sense that it came from RR himself.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:07 pm

Dan Mullen! Hi Greg!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:09 pm

Don't know that Mullen wants to leave the SEC. The recruiting scraps he picks up in that area are world's better than the recruits he could get to come to Tucson.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:11 pm

Chicat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
uacat540 wrote:Meh, at this point if he wants to go to what is the 4th best job in the SEC East and the 8-10 best job in the conferece, let him.
And considering his salary here and the bonus structure they'd probably need to pay him somewhere around $3.5M a year just to match salary and retention bonuses, and that's assuming he gets no salary bump up for moving across country.

So if they want to pay him $3.5M+ a year and he wants to take that marginal job....then have at.
And we'll hire Sonny Dykes and probably not miss a beat.

Sure. Sonny's salary is reported at $2M a year. Have him become the HC and OC for $2.5M a year and pony up $750,000-$1M a year for a top level DC and defensive recruiter = no beats missed

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:13 pm

SCCats wrote:
Chicat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
uacat540 wrote:Meh, at this point if he wants to go to what is the 4th best job in the SEC East and the 8-10 best job in the conferece, let him.
And considering his salary here and the bonus structure they'd probably need to pay him somewhere around $3.5M a year just to match salary and retention bonuses, and that's assuming he gets no salary bump up for moving across country.

So if they want to pay him $3.5M+ a year and he wants to take that marginal job....then have at.
And we'll hire Sonny Dykes and probably not miss a beat.
Sure. Sonny's salary is reported at $2M a year. Have him become the HC and OC for $2.5M a year and pony up $750,000-$1M a year for a top level DC and defensive recruiter = no beats missed

And no more shitstain 3-3-5.

I will miss Dudek and the videos though...

TyrantCat · Post by **TyrantCat** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:16 pm

RichRod to meet with SC? Suppose they need to hire somebody. Why not a 6-6 coach?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:18 pm

Can a mod merge the 2 threads?

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:19 pm

Chicat wrote:And no more shitstain 3-3-5.

It'd be real nice to get rid of the 3-3-5.

And I know it's going to piss me off just a little bit if RR accepts the South Carolina job and then announces he's bringing in a different DC. So we'll watch for that.

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:29 pm

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:35 pm

Starting to remind me of Tommy Tuberville

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/20 ... i/1763615/" target="_blank

Saw Dykes was interviewing everywhere so I guess that can be a backup. But one more bubble screen and I'll throw a football at his head.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:39 pm

Threads merged.

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