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Never thought I'd see him tear up like that. Tough kid, fierce competitor, and All-time GREAT Cat. I wish him much success in the NFL.NYCat wrote:http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14400972
Signed with Drew Rosenhaus....shocking, People should listen to me moreNewportcat wrote:Wait looks like Newportcat has good sources....Newportcat wrote:
He choose his agent before the season started, it was fairly well known
From people in the know, they think 3rd to 5th round depending on combine workouts
Let him follow in Bruschi's footsteps and actually be on a good team please.Alieberman wrote:He's going to make a great Chicago Bear
Lance Briggs had a pretty good career.Fishclamps wrote:Let him follow in Bruschi's footsteps and actually be on a good team please.Alieberman wrote:He's going to make a great Chicago Bear
Salty wrote:Maybe he should call up Ka'Deem and ask him what declaring early did for his career.
Disappointing decision. Scouts have called him a third round pick at best... With draft position being so important, I just can't understand why he wouldn't come back for his senior year. Of course his agent is going to tell him he's a first or second round talent, but that's simply not going to be where he's taken.
He will probably be drafted in the 5th or 6th round and will end up being an absolute steal for a rebuilding team. However, his rookie contract will end up costing him millions of dollars in the long run.
After law school did you became a sports agent by chance?Salty wrote:Maybe he should call up Ka'Deem and ask him what declaring early did for his career.
Disappointing decision. Scouts have called him a third round pick at best... With draft position being so important, I just can't understand why he wouldn't come back for his senior year. Of course his agent is going to tell him he's a first or second round talent, but that's simply not going to be where he's taken.
He will probably be drafted in the 5th or 6th round and will end up being an absolute steal for a rebuilding team. However, his rookie contract will end up costing him millions of dollars in the long run.
Example #236 why no one should ever listen to you or believe your advice.Salty wrote:Maybe he should call up Ka'Deem and ask him what declaring early did for his career.
Disappointing decision. Scouts have called him a third round pick at best... With draft position being so important, I just can't understand why he wouldn't come back for his senior year. Of course his agent is going to tell him he's a first or second round talent, but that's simply not going to be where he's taken.
He will probably be drafted in the 5th or 6th round and will end up being an absolute steal for a rebuilding team. However, his rookie contract will end up costing him millions of dollars in the long run.
And Kadeem returning for his senior season would have done exactly what for his draft status? Oh yeah, nothing. The reasons he slipped were not changing with another year at UA. Only difference is he would have started getting paid a year later.Salty wrote:Maybe he should call up Ka'Deem and ask him what declaring early did for his career.
Disappointing decision. Scouts have called him a third round pick at best... With draft position being so important, I just can't understand why he wouldn't come back for his senior year. Of course his agent is going to tell him he's a first or second round talent, but that's simply not going to be where he's taken.
He will probably be drafted in the 5th or 6th round and will end up being an absolute steal for a rebuilding team. However, his rookie contract will end up costing him millions of dollars in the long run.
Ever see Drew Rosenhaus' client list, or have any idea how much money he makes?tgrumpy2 wrote:I'm with Salty. I think an agent filled Scoobie full of BS. If I'm wrong I'll come back and say yea you all told me so but I don't see him going above the 5th round. That 5th round money is only slightly better than the NFL minimum for a rookie and probably not much signing bonus and none of that salary will be guaranteed. He gets hurt in an NFL camp he's not getting paid. He stays and plays another year in college has a great senior year and refreshes the minds of the scouts as to who he is, he could go way up in the draft. Then we're talking about a lot more money. Yea its still kind of a crap shoot but I think he stands to gain a lot more than he loses by staying another year. I don't know why me or anyone else is even babbling on about this. Its a done deal now anyway. LOL.
I just read that the NFL limits the amount an agent can take to 3%. That makes it a numbers game. How many clients can I sign. The more clients I sign the more money I make. I think Rosenhaus has no qualms about taking 3% of fifth or sixth round money. I think he has no trouble filling a potential client full of bullshit.Harvey Specter wrote:Ever see Drew Rosenhaus' client list, or have any idea how much money he makes?tgrumpy2 wrote:I'm with Salty. I think an agent filled Scoobie full of BS. If I'm wrong I'll come back and say yea you all told me so but I don't see him going above the 5th round. That 5th round money is only slightly better than the NFL minimum for a rookie and probably not much signing bonus and none of that salary will be guaranteed. He gets hurt in an NFL camp he's not getting paid. He stays and plays another year in college has a great senior year and refreshes the minds of the scouts as to who he is, he could go way up in the draft. Then we're talking about a lot more money. Yea its still kind of a crap shoot but I think he stands to gain a lot more than he loses by staying another year. I don't know why me or anyone else is even babbling on about this. Its a done deal now anyway. LOL.
He's not some small-time upstart trying to keep the lights on; he has zero incentive to talk a 5th-6th round prospect into making a bad decision. The fee he'd generate from that kind of prospect is not worth his time because the guy's opportunity costs are high.
I think Drew Rosenhaus is a snake, but he's smart and he's greedy - which means he does not like wasting his time.
15 tackles (11 solo), 3.5 tfl and 2 sacks. Very unfocused. Just saying. . .Salty wrote:Yeah, a team is going to use one of their top three picks on an LB who they have two years of film on, missed an entire year due to injuries, is undersized, slow, and played in a system which no NFL team runs.
Sure. That sounds just right.
Scooby has an excellent football IQ and plays with intensity that is very rare. However, there's a ton of questions marks surrounding him due to the little time he's spent in college. He was a very good player on an awful defense.
Him signing right after means he wasn't focused on the team. And he's been influenced by an agent who has signed a ton of players who haven't panned out. I don't have respect for that.
You should post another pic of yourself flexing. It would be slightly less of a joke than your written posts.Salty wrote:Him signing right after means he wasn't focused on the team. And he's been influenced by an agent who has signed a ton of players who haven't panned out. I don't have respect for that.
http://www.cvhspreps.com/index.php?opti ... 800.0;wap2" target="_blanktgrumpy2 wrote:I just read that the NFL limits the amount an agent can take to 3%. That makes it a numbers game. How many clients can I sign. The more clients I sign the more money I make. I think Rosenhaus has no qualms about taking 3% of fifth or sixth round money. I think he has no trouble filling a potential client full of bullshit.Harvey Specter wrote:Ever see Drew Rosenhaus' client list, or have any idea how much money he makes?tgrumpy2 wrote:I'm with Salty. I think an agent filled Scoobie full of BS. If I'm wrong I'll come back and say yea you all told me so but I don't see him going above the 5th round. That 5th round money is only slightly better than the NFL minimum for a rookie and probably not much signing bonus and none of that salary will be guaranteed. He gets hurt in an NFL camp he's not getting paid. He stays and plays another year in college has a great senior year and refreshes the minds of the scouts as to who he is, he could go way up in the draft. Then we're talking about a lot more money. Yea its still kind of a crap shoot but I think he stands to gain a lot more than he loses by staying another year. I don't know why me or anyone else is even babbling on about this. Its a done deal now anyway. LOL.
He's not some small-time upstart trying to keep the lights on; he has zero incentive to talk a 5th-6th round prospect into making a bad decision. The fee he'd generate from that kind of prospect is not worth his time because the guy's opportunity costs are high.
I think Drew Rosenhaus is a snake, but he's smart and he's greedy - which means he does not like wasting his time.
Against the triple option...ghostwhitehorse wrote:15 tackles (11 solo), 3.5 tfl and 2 sacks. Very unfocused. Just saying. . .Salty wrote:Yeah, a team is going to use one of their top three picks on an LB who they have two years of film on, missed an entire year due to injuries, is undersized, slow, and played in a system which no NFL team runs.
Sure. That sounds just right.
Scooby has an excellent football IQ and plays with intensity that is very rare. However, there's a ton of questions marks surrounding him due to the little time he's spent in college. He was a very good player on an awful defense.
Him signing right after means he wasn't focused on the team. And he's been influenced by an agent who has signed a ton of players who haven't panned out. I don't have respect for that.
Stop quoting Rich Rod on how undersized and slow Scooby is, because he is the only one I have heard repeatedly make those claims. I am not sure why he does, unless it is a transparent attempt make his staff look like they are miracle workers... God knows there is not much else out there to support that silly idea. He is not doing Scooby any favors because lemmings like you run around quoting it as gospel truth.Salty wrote:Yeah, a team is going to use one of their top three picks on an LB who they have two years of film on, missed an entire year due to injuries, is undersized, slow, and played in a system which no NFL team runs.
Sure. That sounds just right.
Scooby has an excellent football IQ and plays with intensity that is very rare. However, there's a ton of questions marks surrounding him due to the little time he's spent in college. He was a very good player on an awful defense.
Him signing right after means he wasn't focused on the team. And he's been influenced by an agent who has signed a ton of players who haven't panned out. I don't have respect for that.
Scooby will do fine on whatever team he plays on, he lives and breathes the sport.Harvey Specter wrote:Stop quoting Rich Rod on how undersized and slow Scooby is, because he is the only one I have heard repeatedly make those claims. I am not sure why he does, unless it is a transparent attempt make his staff look like they are miracle workers... God knows there is not much else out there to support that silly idea. He is not doing Scooby any favors because lemmings like you run around quoting it as gospel truth.Salty wrote:Yeah, a team is going to use one of their top three picks on an LB who they have two years of film on, missed an entire year due to injuries, is undersized, slow, and played in a system which no NFL team runs.
Sure. That sounds just right.
Scooby has an excellent football IQ and plays with intensity that is very rare. However, there's a ton of questions marks surrounding him due to the little time he's spent in college. He was a very good player on an awful defense.
Him signing right after means he wasn't focused on the team. And he's been influenced by an agent who has signed a ton of players who haven't panned out. I don't have respect for that.
I do not think he is that undersized, and I do not think he is slow. We can revisit after the combine.
But let's assume you are right (simply for argument's sake)... he comes back for another year and he is still undersized, slow, and playing in a scheme that no NFL teams run. Simply one more year of game film is not helping his draft status... although it might stop you from being so butt-hurt.
I am still struggling to understand how you got into law school. Either you paid my associate Mike Ross to take your LSAT's, or I know why most of my buddies from undergrad days who went to law school in-state opted for ASU.
Harvey Specter wrote:http://www.cvhspreps.com/index.php?opti ... 800.0;wap2" target="_blanktgrumpy2 wrote:I just read that the NFL limits the amount an agent can take to 3%. That makes it a numbers game. How many clients can I sign. The more clients I sign the more money I make. I think Rosenhaus has no qualms about taking 3% of fifth or sixth round money. I think he has no trouble filling a potential client full of bullshit.Harvey Specter wrote:Ever see Drew Rosenhaus' client list, or have any idea how much money he makes?tgrumpy2 wrote:I'm with Salty. I think an agent filled Scoobie full of BS. If I'm wrong I'll come back and say yea you all told me so but I don't see him going above the 5th round. That 5th round money is only slightly better than the NFL minimum for a rookie and probably not much signing bonus and none of that salary will be guaranteed. He gets hurt in an NFL camp he's not getting paid. He stays and plays another year in college has a great senior year and refreshes the minds of the scouts as to who he is, he could go way up in the draft. Then we're talking about a lot more money. Yea its still kind of a crap shoot but I think he stands to gain a lot more than he loses by staying another year. I don't know why me or anyone else is even babbling on about this. Its a done deal now anyway. LOL.
He's not some small-time upstart trying to keep the lights on; he has zero incentive to talk a 5th-6th round prospect into making a bad decision. The fee he'd generate from that kind of prospect is not worth his time because the guy's opportunity costs are high.
I think Drew Rosenhaus is a snake, but he's smart and he's greedy - which means he does not like wasting his time.
Average signing bonus:
1st - Between $3MM and $10MM depending where in the draft order. Average, lets say, is $5MM
2nd - $1MM to $2.2MM
3rd - $700K
4th - $550K
5th - $ 175K
6th - $50k
The 4 year rookie contracts being signed, when you get to 5th round and beyond, only GUARANTEED MONEY is the bonus. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE TEAM TO GET PAID. Rounds 1-4, it is usually a 2-4 year guarantee.
I do not believe there is any rule limiting an agent's fee to 3%, although I think Rosenhaus has claimed that is all he takes. That would be a foolish claim to make if not true because too many people can dispute it.
He is reportedly worth $65M. So you think he is slumming around lying and stealing to earn between $1,500 and $5K guaranteed for a 5th-6th round draft pick? Considering people worth 10-15% as much as Rosenhaus wouldn't cross the street for that kind of money - I don't find your theory very plausible.
Rosenhaus did not fly coach to Albuquerque; he probably chartered a flight, but even if he flew 1st class - he just burned whatever money he'll be making off Scooby - at least according to 'your story that your sticking to'.tgrumpy2 wrote:Harvey Specter wrote:http://www.cvhspreps.com/index.php?opti ... 800.0;wap2" target="_blanktgrumpy2 wrote:I just read that the NFL limits the amount an agent can take to 3%. That makes it a numbers game. How many clients can I sign. The more clients I sign the more money I make. I think Rosenhaus has no qualms about taking 3% of fifth or sixth round money. I think he has no trouble filling a potential client full of bullshit.Harvey Specter wrote:Ever see Drew Rosenhaus' client list, or have any idea how much money he makes?tgrumpy2 wrote:I'm with Salty. I think an agent filled Scoobie full of BS. If I'm wrong I'll come back and say yea you all told me so but I don't see him going above the 5th round. That 5th round money is only slightly better than the NFL minimum for a rookie and probably not much signing bonus and none of that salary will be guaranteed. He gets hurt in an NFL camp he's not getting paid. He stays and plays another year in college has a great senior year and refreshes the minds of the scouts as to who he is, he could go way up in the draft. Then we're talking about a lot more money. Yea its still kind of a crap shoot but I think he stands to gain a lot more than he loses by staying another year. I don't know why me or anyone else is even babbling on about this. Its a done deal now anyway. LOL.
He's not some small-time upstart trying to keep the lights on; he has zero incentive to talk a 5th-6th round prospect into making a bad decision. The fee he'd generate from that kind of prospect is not worth his time because the guy's opportunity costs are high.
I think Drew Rosenhaus is a snake, but he's smart and he's greedy - which means he does not like wasting his time.
Average signing bonus:
1st - Between $3MM and $10MM depending where in the draft order. Average, lets say, is $5MM
2nd - $1MM to $2.2MM
3rd - $700K
4th - $550K
5th - $ 175K
6th - $50k
The 4 year rookie contracts being signed, when you get to 5th round and beyond, only GUARANTEED MONEY is the bonus. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE TEAM TO GET PAID. Rounds 1-4, it is usually a 2-4 year guarantee.
I do not believe there is any rule limiting an agent's fee to 3%, although I think Rosenhaus has claimed that is all he takes. That would be a foolish claim to make if not true because too many people can dispute it.
He is reportedly worth $65M. So you think he is slumming around lying and stealing to earn between $1,500 and $5K guaranteed for a 5th-6th round draft pick? Considering people worth 10-15% as much as Rosenhaus wouldn't cross the street for that kind of money - I don't find your theory very plausible.
That's what I think and I'm sticking with it. Here is the link that talks about agent's commission. We'll see where Scoobie gets drafted but I think he was sold a bill of good. http://work.chron.com/average-sports-ag ... 21083.html" target="_blank
Chicat wrote:Watching Scooby tear up made me tear up.
Gonna miss that kid. He had a motor and a heart as big as the Sonoran Desert.
Bear Down in the NFL Scooby!
He reminds me of Zach Thomas, which would definitely be a good thing in the pros.gronk4heisman wrote:Scooby reminds me a lot of Rocky Calmus, which could not be a good thing in the pro's.
And you think that Rosenhaus usually has those guys either wasting their time, or that he hired them because they suck?gronk4heisman wrote:It will be the lower agents in his agency doing most of the leg work
And you think that's going to magically change because he spends an injury free senior season in a Cat uniform?gronk4heisman wrote:ILB are rarely taken high in the draft
Chicat wrote:He reminds me of Zach Thomas, which would definitely be a good thing in the pros.gronk4heisman wrote:Scooby reminds me a lot of Rocky Calmus, which could not be a good thing in the pro's.
And you think that Rosenhaus usually has those guys either wasting their time, or that he hired them because they suck?gronk4heisman wrote:It will be the lower agents in his agency doing most of the leg work
And you think that's going to magically change because he spends an injury free senior season in a Cat uniform?gronk4heisman wrote:ILB are rarely taken high in the draft
Some interesting takes here. Not sure why more fans aren't just happy for a guy who was one of the only bright spots on our horrific defenses the past three years.
Hey grumpy... Either you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills, or a remedial math class (online or at a community college) might be in the cards. The only money that is guaranteed for a 5th-6th round pick is their signing bonus, which typically ranges between $50-175K. Multiply 0.03 x both those lower and upper end limits and tell me what you get.tgrumpy2 wrote:Chicat, I'm a Scooby fan. I wish him the best. I hope he tears it up in the NFL. I just don't think he's going to be drafted all that high and maybe spending another year in college would have improved that and made him more money in the long run. Harvey seems to think Rosenhuas is some sort of super man that would never lie to anyone and that's ridiculous. Harvey doesn't realize that the NFL pay for rookies is very structured and there's very little to negotiate. Its pretty much, here's the contract, sign here. What the agent is hoping for is that Scooby does tear it up and when his contract is renegotiated he'll get a big payday. By the way Harvey, 3% of 500k is not 1500 dollars, Its 150,000 dollars
tgrumpy2 wrote:By the way Harvey, 3% of 500k is not 1500 dollars, Its 150,000 dollars
UAdevil wrote:tgrumpy2 wrote:By the way Harvey, 3% of 500k is not 1500 dollars, Its 150,000 dollars
Huh?
$15k
I want to be grumpy's agent. I like his math!Harvey Specter wrote:UAdevil wrote:tgrumpy2 wrote:By the way Harvey, 3% of 500k is not 1500 dollars, Its 150,000 dollars
Huh?
$15k
I did not even pick up on that... as they say, the bull never looks at the matador, he only looks at the cape!
One out of three ain't bad.UAdevil wrote:tgrumpy2 wrote:By the way Harvey, 3% of 500k is not 1500 dollars, Its 150,000 dollars
Huh?
$15k
So 165k total? Score!UAdevil wrote:Huh?tgrumpy2 wrote:By the way Harvey, 3% of 500k is not 1500 dollars, Its 150,000 dollars
$15k
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/02/28/Joey-B ... e-notebookWhat to do with Scooby?
I guess that’s a play on words. It’s about as good as you’re going to get after a week spent covering the combine.
Anyway, Arizona linebacker Scooby Wright: He was the best linebacker in college football two seasons ago, taking home the Nagurski, Bednarik and Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year awards after a 164-tackle campaign. Multiple injuries (knee, foot) limited him to just three games this past season, although the last was a 15-tackle, two-sack bowl outing.
He always has presented as a function-over-form evaluation for the draft, so the combine didn’t shape up as his best environment. Wright excelled for Arizona on his instincts—hardly something that shows up speed drills.
“You don’t have 31 tackles [for loss] by being slow,” Wright said this week.
Even with that in mind, Sunday was disappointing for him, starting with a 4.9-second 40 and ending (at least in terms of what the NFL Network aired) with a stumble in an agility drill.
Will it matter? In terms of his final draft spot, probably. When it comes to his success in the NFL, the answer will depend on if his next team can find a creative way to take advantage of his nose for the ball.
He will appeal most to teams needing an inside run defender and perhaps to teams looking for weak-side help. Interestingly enough, he told SI on our On the Clock podcast that his dream would be to play a pass-rushing OLB role in a 3–4.
Whatever the fit, Sunday just wasn't a great day for him.
