2015/6 Polls

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:34 am

#52 in the RPI currently.

asu is up to #41

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:44 am

scumdevils86 wrote:#52 in the RPI currently.

asu is up to #41

i know you know that i feel this way already, and maybe you do too to a certain extent, but RPI doesnt really true up until beginning of February -- about a month after all the conf play has started.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:46 am

8th in the AP as well, stunned Duke got a legit drop
http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll" target="_blank

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:07 pm

Wow single digits in the AP poll. Good work Cats.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:17 pm

97cats wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:#52 in the RPI currently.

asu is up to #41
i know you know that i feel this way already, and maybe you do too to a certain extent, but RPI doesnt really true up until beginning of February -- about a month after all the conf play has started.

I agree with you, think it is silly overall... but it is interesting to note.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:23 pm

We just had a bad SOS outcome. We missed a bump with MSU, Mizzou became terrible after we signed them up and UNLV isn't what we'd thought they would be. Even Gonzaga losing to UCLA hurts.

That said, ASU over UNLV and UCLA over Zaga really just restructures thing to where the games that will have the big impact are in front of us, not OOC.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:28 pm

Yea, conference has shaped up better than expected so no worries, just handle business.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:29 pm

Yeah the projected RPI of every team we play in conference is top 70 except Washington St and Stanford.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:35 pm

Providence disrespected at 14 in the coaches poll. I think we are a better team than them, but what beef could we have if they were ahead of us?

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:48 pm

I think it's kind of a joke that Duke is ahead of Villanova. Both have two losses, with Nova's being to the #3 and #5 teams and Dukes being to #12 and an unranked. Same goes for Kentucky being ranked ahead of 'Nova as well.

Nice to be back in the top 10, let's hope we can go on a major tear to start Pac play and stay there for a long while

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:34 pm

97cats wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:#52 in the RPI currently.

asu is up to #41
i know you know that i feel this way already, and maybe you do too to a certain extent, but RPI doesnt really true up until beginning of February -- about a month after all the conf play has started.

Yeah, we knew that. You've taught us well. We just devour and discuss all that we can about U of A hoops, even when we know it isn't all that meaningful.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:38 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:Yeah the projected RPI of every team we play in conference is top 70 except Washington St and Stanford.

It's a shame Stanford couldn't knock off Texas. A lot of good but not great teams in the Pac this year.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:40 pm

carolinacat wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Yeah the projected RPI of every team we play in conference is top 70 except Washington St and Stanford.
It's a shame Stanford couldn't knock off Texas. A lot of good but not great teams in the Pac this year.

Maybe we can be that great one. The consistently difficult rpi of the competition should help us...if we do what we need to do.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:41 pm

Just hoping we can find a way to win 2 of those first 3 road games of the conference season

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:12 pm

azcat49 wrote:Just hoping we can find a way to win 2 of those first 3 road games of the conference season

UCLA is going to be coming off a likely sweep of the Washington schools the prior week. We'll be coming off the ASU game. Gut check time for our team.

Our depth should (and could) really help us at ASU. They're talented but a little small inside with very little depth. I think Ristic's offensive game in the starting lineup will benefit us more than Tarc starting, even though we need his defense and the five fouls he gives us. Ristic's offensive game must get ASU's attention defensively where they're a little weak inside. Rustic can have a big game and get them in foul trouble early, which should be our strategy. That will free up Anderson & Tolley to start cleaning up later in the game for our famous "wear down."

The last two years, ASU has shot the ball out of their minds from distance (especially last year in Tempe). They don't have quite the shooters as last season but are more athletic. Holder vs. Allen at the point should be a good matchup. This game is also an opportunity for Trier to have a big game. IMO we match up well with ASU as long as we stick to the coach's expected game plan (pound the ball inside) and we knock down open perimeter shots. Anderson vs. Goodman should be a good matchup as well. I doubt it's a game we overlook.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:55 pm

I don't understand why Providence is ranked below us.

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:21 pm

West coast bias.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:11 pm

Chicat wrote:I don't understand why Providence is ranked below us.

Me neither. But their schedule is pretty weak other than the games in California.

They caught us at a perfect time (1st game w/out Tarc) and were still lucky to win. We had a six point lead with a few minutes to play.

I do think we're the better team but if I had a vote I'd put them one spot ahead of us.

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:00 am

Chicat wrote:I don't understand why Providence is ranked below us.

I'd sure be complaining if I were a Friar fan. They beat us and lost only to # uno. What more should it take?

We should learn to chill. All of the things that we fuss about happen to other teams too. We are just too self-absorbed to notice.

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:03 am

KaibabKat wrote:West coast bias.

LOL! Bask in it for the fleeting moment that we have it.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:32 am

It's not like people got together in a room and decided Arizona should be ranked higher than Providence. It just came out that way in the wash. A good number no doubt ranked Providence higher, and I wouldn't doubt if some voted differently with Tarc's first game out and Arizona's subsequent improvement in mind.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:19 am

This probably sounds absurd, but we're better than Providence. Provided we're at full strength, we'd beat them in a rematch.

CatMG · Post by **CatMG** » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:14 pm

Chicat wrote:I don't understand why Providence is ranked below us.

I imagine because where they each started the year. Teams usually get the benefit of the doubt in first or early losses. The reality of it is that the Cats played pitifully in that game and still had a chance to tie on their finally possession (until the Cats literally handed the ball to Providence as they had done multiple times during the game). I am not sure fans should lose much sleep on rankings in December.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:21 pm

Still 8 in AP. Utes and Bruins also ranked. Coaches flip Cats and Heels, placing us 7. But keep UCLA out of the top 25. Oddly, they rank Gonzaga ahead of UCLA.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings" target="_blank

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:22 am

Up to #6 in the coaches poll. AP moves a little later today. We're the only Pac 12 team ranked although six teams from the conference received votes including Colorado, Oregon State & USC (but not UCLA).

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:17 pm

gumby wrote:Still 8 in AP. Utes and Bruins also ranked. Coaches flip Cats and Heels, placing us 7. But keep UCLA out of the top 25. Oddly, they rank Gonzaga ahead of UCLA.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings" target="_blank

Pretty sure that's last week

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:19 pm

pretty sure Gumby posted that on December 28th

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:19 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
gumby wrote:Still 8 in AP. Utes and Bruins also ranked. Coaches flip Cats and Heels, placing us 7. But keep UCLA out of the top 25. Oddly, they rank Gonzaga ahead of UCLA.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings" target="_blank
Pretty sure that's last week

As was Gumby's post.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:17 pm

Apologies. I'll try to work a week ahead from now on.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:23 pm

Up to #7 in the AP.

Cal, OSU, Utah, and Oregon also getting some votes but are unranked.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:26 pm

It's pretty remarkable that in January, Arizona is in the top 10 and no other PAC team is ranked.

Ya know, considering that the conference is up for grabs and that we are easily ending up 3-5th according to Roth(CAL)stein.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:05 pm

If any voter drops Oklahoma more than 1 spot because of this loss, they should get their vote taken away.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:16 pm

They shouldnt drop at all except the coaches poll to let Kansas take top spot

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:08 pm

Now who was saying that the UA would drop out of the polls?

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Polls are out and Arizona stays in top 20 in both polls unlike alot of you were thinking!! AP #18 and Coaches #16! Bear Down!!

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:16 pm

Yea that is absurd. Two road losses to two tough fringe top 25 type of teams. One in 4OT and the other at the buzzer. I guessed 18 in another thread.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:31 pm

Seriously, though, what are rankings in January even worth? They don't help our tourney seed. We just need two wins this week, and that won't be easy.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:38 pm

I look at rankings from a purely cosmetic standpoint. It looks good to recruits and people outside of Arizona notice your team. Not necessarily bragging rights, but you get more respect and attention, which our program deserves. Do they help w seedings? Maybe, maybe not. I tend to think if a committee is sitting there looking at all the advanced numbers, and team A has been ranked 16-20 all year has the same numbers and resume as team B who have been 10-14 all year, team B is going to get the higher seed because subconsciously you are going to associate them with being better.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:49 pm

rgdeuce wrote:I look at rankings from a purely cosmetic standpoint. It looks good to recruits and people outside of Arizona notice your team. Not necessarily bragging rights, but you get more respect and attention, which our program deserves. Do they help w seedings? Maybe, maybe not. I tend to think if a committee is sitting there looking at all the advanced numbers, and team A has been ranked 16-20 all year has the same numbers and resume as team B who have been 10-14 all year, team B is going to get the higher seed because subconsciously you are going to associate them with being better.

I hope you're wrong and that the committee does what they're supposed to: base the seedings on the appropriate metrics and indices.

I'd rather have an RPI in the top 10 than be ranked in the top 10.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:51 pm

Being ranked gets you on ESPN. That's the only real advantage that I see. Keeps your name in the news.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:54 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:I look at rankings from a purely cosmetic standpoint. It looks good to recruits and people outside of Arizona notice your team. Not necessarily bragging rights, but you get more respect and attention, which our program deserves. Do they help w seedings? Maybe, maybe not. I tend to think if a committee is sitting there looking at all the advanced numbers, and team A has been ranked 16-20 all year has the same numbers and resume as team B who have been 10-14 all year, team B is going to get the higher seed because subconsciously you are going to associate them with being better.
I hope you're wrong and that the committee does what they're supposed to: base the seedings on the appropriate metrics and indices.

I'd rather have an RPI in the top 10 than be ranked in the top 10.

We can debate how important it is to be ranked at this point in the season... but I think we can agree that there is no advantage to being unranked.

We need to sweep this week, and it is not a given.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:55 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
We need to sweep this week, and it is not a given.

We're sweeping the WA schools.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:11 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
We need to sweep this week, and it is not a given.
We're sweeping the WA schools.

I think there are 14,500 people in agreement. I think the McKale faithful sense the adversity facing this team. They sense the togetherness of this program. We're sweeping this weekend.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:18 pm

carolinacat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
We need to sweep this week, and it is not a given.
We're sweeping the WA schools.
I think there are 14,500 people in agreement. I think the McKale faithful sense the adversity facing this team. They sense the togetherness of this program. We're sweeping this weekend.

I'll be there Sunday. We need to get it together defensively, but there's no reason McKale should not be hyped.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:05 pm

Pretty sure we play Saturday. I will be there as well.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:41 pm

Zero wrote:Pretty sure we play Saturday. I will be there as well.

Yeah, it will go better if I show up the right day for the Coogs.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:18 am

Chicat wrote:If any voter drops Oklahoma more than 1 spot because of this loss, they should get their vote taken away.

Scott Mansch is that asshole.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on- ... -is-stupid" target="_blank

EOCT · Post by **EOCT** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:53 pm

Chicat wrote:
Chicat wrote:If any voter drops Oklahoma more than 1 spot because of this loss, they should get their vote taken away.
Scott Mansch is that asshole.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on- ... -is-stupid" target="_blank

Wuh. Scott definitely not a Mensch.

Thanks for the share, Chi.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:01 pm

Oh, and another thing about these polls. It's ridiculous that only one Pac team is ranked. All of these teams are at least as deserving as the bunch of east coast and midwest schools currently ranked in the top 25. USC and Cal and Oregon and UCLA would do just fine against Nova, Xavier, WVU, Texas A&M, ISU, Pitt, Baylor, Butler, etc.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:08 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Oh, and another thing about these polls. It's ridiculous that only one Pac team is ranked. All of these teams are at least as deserving as the bunch of east coast and midwest schools currently ranked in the top 25. USC and Cal and Oregon and UCLA would do just fine against Nova, Xavier, WVU, Texas A&M, ISU, Pitt, Baylor, Butler, etc.

You listed a whole variety of schools in this one. Top 10 to fringe top 25....

Of the teams you listed I agree with you on A&M, ISU, Pitt, Baylor, Butler.

But Nova, Xavier, and WVU are all better than every other team in the PAC in my opinion.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:08 am

Not an Arizona fan either.

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