Welcome Aboard Marcel Yates Arizona's New DC

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:03 pm

splitsecond wrote:I love that people are praising the 4-2-5 when we already ran the 4-2-5 out of the 3-3-5 base fairly regularly. Base schemes do not matter. It's the variations you use and when you use them that are important.

Arizona didn't use it often. A couple times a drive, maybe, but mostly Arizona used a straight 3-3-5. And fans would probably have like to use 4-2-5 more, but Arizona wasn't using it. Additional, you are also rushing a 4-2-5 with lineman for a 3-3-5, which is different. I expect being able to recruit and use better players if Arizona moves to a 4 base.

While every team run various formation the Base defense is still very important.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:01 pm

carolinacat wrote:Whoever the DC is, can he teach our guys how to actually tackle?

Up until this season the tackling had been for the most part very good under Casteel. The difference from the 2011 team to the 2012 team was night and day. They did well in 2013 and also last year, save for the Pac-12 title game where they couldn't get off the field and were gassed.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:11 pm

splitsecond wrote:I love that people are praising the 4-2-5 when we already ran the 4-2-5 out of the 3-3-5 base fairly regularly. Base schemes do not matter. It's the variations you use and when you use them that are important.

Incorrect

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:32 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
splitsecond wrote:I love that people are praising the 4-2-5 when we already ran the 4-2-5 out of the 3-3-5 base fairly regularly. Base schemes do not matter. It's the variations you use and when you use them that are important.
Incorrect

Hater you better be more specific in what you think is incorrect with SS post as we often moved a LB down to rush end and presented a 4 man front with 2 LB's

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:37 pm

The 3-3-5 and 4-2-5 are very different schemes with different personnel being used. What we occasionally did may look like a 4-2-5 but it wasn't that. There are more differences between the systems than having one lb walk forward a few feet and split second doesn't seem to understand that

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:39 pm

azpenguin wrote:
carolinacat wrote:Whoever the DC is, can he teach our guys how to actually tackle?
Up until this season the tackling had been for the most part very good under Casteel. The difference from the 2011 team to the 2012 team was night and day. They did well in 2013 and also last year, save for the Pac-12 title game where they couldn't get off the field and were gassed.

This is exactly right.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:52 pm

When you see 3 down lineman and a safety or LB playing up off the edge....that's not a 4-2-5. It's a functionality of the 3-3-5 Odd Stack.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:29 pm

Sure you are looking for 4 traditional big uglies in a 4 front

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:49 pm

Gary Patterson has had success with the 4-2-5 at TCU. Koetter ran it at ASU and it was a disaster. Let's hope for better results than the Scum had.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:27 pm

If the Cats went to a four man front, I wonder who would end up playing the DE spots. I can easily see Williams and Griffin at the DT spots.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:22 pm

carcassdragger wrote:
azpenguin wrote:
carolinacat wrote:Whoever the DC is, can he teach our guys how to actually tackle?
Up until this season the tackling had been for the most part very good under Casteel. The difference from the 2011 team to the 2012 team was night and day. They did well in 2013 and also last year, save for the Pac-12 title game where they couldn't get off the field and were gassed.
This is exactly right.

No, it's not, and if it were, then Casteel would not have been shown the door. The defense has been awful, save for a handful of good outings over the past 4 years.

On to more important matters... I think Yates would be a terrific hire and the prospect of him coming here gives me hope. Him and the guy from UW were the 2 names I was most excited about.

Dkenner · Post by **Dkenner** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:50 pm

Dont know if this Yates offer goes down tommorrow, on Thur I was told to look for something in a week and a half

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:22 pm

He's out recruiting for BSU.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:34 pm

Well he's still employed by Boise so he's doing his job. RR visited Khalil Tate a night before he flew to South Carolina so I don't take that as a sign of anything.

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:28 am

Ya, if he hasn't signed anything he keeps doing doing job. I wouldn't expect anything less.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:46 am

Supposedly today's the day (unconfirmed) for an announcement; it will be very interesting to see which way Rich goes with this whenever the announcement does occur.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:32 am

looking like tomorrow ill be the day for the announcement of the new DC and staff

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:49 am

this is the first day they could announce, but it doesn't mean they will.

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:55 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:48 pm

"Sources close to the situation inform me San Jose State assistant Donte' Williams is nearly a done deal to sign with Arizona.

He won't be DC but will be a position coach with extra duties. (Passing game coordinator)

If you're not familiar with him he's an absolute MONSTER recruiter.

This is a VERY big hire for Richard Rod."

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:31 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:"Sources close to the situation inform me San Jose State assistant Donte' Williams is nearly a done deal to sign with Arizona.

He won't be DC but will be a position coach with extra duties. (Passing game coordinator)

If you're not familiar with him he's an absolute MONSTER recruiter.

This is a VERY big hire for Richard Rod."

Let me first say that if it is true, I really hope this hyperbole is justified. But excuse my skepticism, because the terms 'monster recruiter' and 'San Jose State' don't exactly go hand in hand.

It it is true, then he must be the best kept secret in college football, because he was being paid $102K to coach at SJSU and live in the Bay Area.

But I guess we'd have a battle on our hands for the recruiting crown next season between our former film coordinator and the guy we just stole from the Spartans' staff.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:47 pm

Maybe they mean "energetic" as opposed to Casteel and staff.

Coach Background
Donté Williams joined the San Jose State University football staff in January 2013 as the cornerbacks coach.

Williams comes to the Spartans after two seasons as a graduate assistant at the University of Washington working with cornerbacks and linebackers. He was at University of Nevada as an assistant linebacker coach in 2010.

Williams began his coaching career in 2007 as an assistant coach at Los Angeles Harbor College. He also worked one season each at El Camino College (2008) and Mt. San...

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:40 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:"Sources close to the situation inform me San Jose State assistant Donte' Williams is nearly a done deal to sign with Arizona.

He won't be DC but will be a position coach with extra duties. (Passing game coordinator)

If you're not familiar with him he's an absolute MONSTER recruiter.

This is a VERY big hire for Richard Rod."

Let me first say that if it is true, I really hope this hyperbole is justified. But excuse my skepticism, because the terms 'monster recruiter' and 'San Jose State' don't exactly go hand in hand.

It it is true, then he must be the best kept secret in college football, because he was being paid $102K to coach at SJSU and live in the Bay Area.

But I guess we'd have a battle on our hands for the recruiting crown next season between our former film coordinator and the guy we just stole from the Spartans' staff.

I actually love this hire. Young African American assistant coach from Cali with Great ties to the JC and High Schools there. Sounds like a winner to me. I am not sure how we could do much better for a safety's coach. Big upgrade over the bum who left us for West Virginia

Update, list of his recruits

http://247sports.com/Coach/Donte-Willia ... meRecruits

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:31 am

Lev tweeted that SJSU had the second best pass defense in the nation this year.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:48 am

This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:51 am

Yates coached safeties right? Not sure if this hire supports his coming on board. Would understand him not wanting to deplete his Alma Mater by bringing Asst's from there but...
Do agree that this looks like a solid hire for position coach though. Looks like a real up and comer as coach and recruiter. Yates has strong ties to Cali, so perhaps they've crossed paths?

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:58 am

As long as Greg Robinson doesn't come with him. Haha

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:00 am

chiefzona wrote:This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.

To be be fair, Bell wasn't going to USC

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:07 am

MrBug708 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.
To be be fair, Bell wasn't going to USC

Tee Martin recruited him hard. It was between USC and SJSU.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:31 am

chiefzona wrote:As long as Greg Robinson doesn't come with him. Haha

Looking him up, it seems Robinson had Casteel type numbers while working for RichRod at UM

In 2009, Michigan ranked 82nd of 120 teams in the Football Bowl Subdivision and 9th of 11 teams in the Big Ten Conference in total defense. In 2010, the Wolverines ranked 110th of 120 teams in FBS and 11th of 11 teams in the Big Ten in total defense.

However, Robinson did quite well at UT:

Texas Longhorns defense makes 180-degree turn, now one of the Big 12's best since hiring of Greg Robinson

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college ... g-robinson" target="_blank

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:25 am

New position coach:

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:26 am

Greg Robinson is right behind him. Haha

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:26 am

chiefzona wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.
To be be fair, Bell wasn't going to USC

Tee Martin recruited him hard. It was between USC and SJSU.

That's nice. But when you are "between" SJSU and USC, there is one reason you pick SJSU and it isn't a recruiter

Chief, I thought you were some recruiting guru. Between this and the McClure stuff, my faith is wavering

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:31 am

MrBug708 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.
To be be fair, Bell wasn't going to USC

Tee Martin recruited him hard. It was between USC and SJSU.
That's nice. But when you are "between" SJSU and USC, there is one reason you pick SJSU and it isn't a recruiter

Chief, I thought you were some recruiting guru. Between this and the McClure stuff, my faith is wavering

And he still ended up at Mt Sac for grades. Lol

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:41 am

chiefzona wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.
To be be fair, Bell wasn't going to USC

Tee Martin recruited him hard. It was between USC and SJSU.

Hahaha. Wait. You're serious?

Dkenner · Post by **Dkenner** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:48 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:"Sources close to the situation inform me San Jose State assistant Donte' Williams is nearly a done deal to sign with Arizona.

He won't be DC but will be a position coach with extra duties. (Passing game coordinator)

If you're not familiar with him he's an absolute MONSTER recruiter.

This is a VERY big hire for Richard Rod."

Let me first say that if it is true, I really hope this hyperbole is justified. But excuse my skepticism, because the terms 'monster recruiter' and 'San Jose State' don't exactly go hand in hand.

It it is true, then he must be the best kept secret in college football, because he was being paid $102K to coach at SJSU and live in the Bay Area.

But I guess we'd have a battle on our hands for the recruiting crown next season between our former film coordinator and the guy we just stole from the Spartans' staff.

I just hope these guys can coach as well as recruit

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:50 am

chiefzona wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.
To be be fair, Bell wasn't going to USC

Tee Martin recruited him hard. It was between USC and SJSU.
He was also arrested and was kicked out

That's nice. But when you are "between" SJSU and USC, there is one reason you pick SJSU and it isn't a recruiter

Chief, I thought you were some recruiting guru. Between this and the McClure stuff, my faith is wavering
And he still ended up at Mt Sac for grades. Lol

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:51 am

I quit following this clown on Twitter awhile back:

(Scheer said it was a recruit's father)

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:51 am

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
chiefzona wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
chiefzona wrote:This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.
To be be fair, Bell wasn't going to USC

Tee Martin recruited him hard. It was between USC and SJSU.
Hahaha. Wait. You're serious?

I believe his final 5 was USC, Oklahoma, Nebraska, SJSU and WAZZU. He had just visited USC and Oklahoma and the pundits all said SJSU or USC with Wazzu third. He committed to SJSU and then grades were the issue so he never made it on campus and went to Mt SAC. Williams still got him to commit so I think that's pretty good along with all of his other commits. He's a bad ass recruiter.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:00 am

UAEebs86 wrote:I quit following this clown on Twitter awhile back:

(Scheer said it was a recruit's father)

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:01 am

UAEebs86 wrote:I quit following this clown on Twitter awhile back:

(Scheer said it was a recruit's father)

Hmmm, don't even think I would confuse them. Eyes aren't even close. Yates has sleepy eyes.

Dkenner · Post by **Dkenner** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:07 am

So RR gonna go out and hire the best young recruiters he can find at lower levels??

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:11 am

UAEebs86 wrote:I quit following this clown on Twitter awhile back:

(Scheer said it was a recruit's father)

Well let's see...

They're both Black . . . annnnnnndddddd . . .

Good enough! Let the tweet fly!

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:14 am

Dkenner wrote:So RR gonna go out and hire the best young recruiters he can find at lower levels??

Why not? I have zero problems with that unless Tosh Lupoi walked into town with the NCAA along with him.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:20 am

That was Warren G sitting next to RR.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:25 am

Okay, I'll retract my earlier statement. Sound like this guy is a terrific hire. I still find it hard to believe a 'monster' recruiter was buried up at SJSU, but everybody has to start somewhere.

Hopefully Yates is coming and was on board with this decision.

Sounds very positive...

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:29 am

Dkenner wrote:So RR gonna go out and hire the best young recruiters he can find at lower levels??

It's a young mans game and these kids seem to relate better to a younger coach.

Would love to get Donte Williams on board. does anyone know if he was part of Mike MacIntyre's staff when he was at SJSU? Might be where he learned to recruit.

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:34 am

whatisee wrote:
Dkenner wrote:So RR gonna go out and hire the best young recruiters he can find at lower levels??
It's a young mans game and these kids seem to relate better to a younger coach.

Would love to get Donte Williams on board. does anyone know if he was part of Mike MacIntyre's staff when he was at SJSU? Might be where he learned to recruit.

No he wasn't.

Born: September 1, 1982 in Los Angeles, Calif
2015 San Jose State University defensive backs coach
2014 San José State University defensive backs coach
2013 San José State University cornerbacks coach
2011-12 University of Washington graduate assistant
2010 University of Nevada assistant linebackers coach
2009 Mount San Antonio College secondary coach
2008 El Camino College secondary coach
2007 Los Angeles Harbor College secondary coach

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:01 am

chiefzona wrote:
whatisee wrote:
Dkenner wrote:So RR gonna go out and hire the best young recruiters he can find at lower levels??
It's a young mans game and these kids seem to relate better to a younger coach.

Would love to get Donte Williams on board. does anyone know if he was part of Mike MacIntyre's staff when he was at SJSU? Might be where he learned to recruit.
No he wasn't.

Born: September 1, 1982 in Los Angeles, Calif
2015 San Jose State University defensive backs coach
2014 San José State University defensive backs coach
2013 San José State University cornerbacks coach
2011-12 University of Washington graduate assistant
2010 University of Nevada assistant linebackers coach
2009 Mount San Antonio College secondary coach
2008 El Camino College secondary coach
2007 Los Angeles Harbor College secondary coach

So he came in the year after Mike left, and looks like he was part of Sark's staff at UW

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:02 am

chiefzona wrote:This is a HUGE hire. He is a phenomenal recruiter. He pulled Kanya Bell out of Long Beach Poly away from USC and to San Jose State. That ish doesn't happen. Charismatic and a very good coach. Kudos RR. You've done your homework and realize the importance of Recruiting Cali.

I asked my SoCal contact who knows high school football in SoCal better then even Chief and he said he LOVED the hire. Said he was one of the top up and coming coaches on the west coast and a well known recruiter. Said it was the exact type of hire a guy like rich Rod needs to make to continue to grow the Cali pipeline . He said he got the lower ranked guys from all the big Cali high schools to commit to SJSU and now at Arizona will have a lot more to sell.

I always temper expectations when it comes to Arizona football but I am actually pretty optimistic at what Rich Rod is doing

Let's see who we hire at DC

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