Kobi Simmons

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:07 pm

Great get by Miller. Can't sign enough quality recruits with the recruiting arms race going on in the PAC12 with UCLA/Cal stepping it up.

I'm still confused how we seemingly came out of nowhere for Kobi......and whats the recruiting plan going forward. Did we sign Kobi because we don't believe we are getting JJackson??? I presume its full speed ahead for JJackson anyway?? How does JJackson feel about Kobi being on the team?? Are we still chasing Alkins????

Good day for the Cats no matter what. Pair Kobi with LM and we end up with a decent recruiting class no matter what happens for the rest of the spring.

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:08 pm

Kobi!!!!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:32 pm

dmjcat wrote:Great get by Miller. Can't sign enough quality recruits with the recruiting arms race going on in the PAC12 with UCLA/Cal stepping it up.

I'm still confused how we seemingly came out of nowhere for Kobi......and whats the recruiting plan going forward. Did we sign Kobi because we don't believe we are getting JJackson??? I presume its full speed ahead for JJackson anyway?? How does JJackson feel about Kobi being on the team?? Are we still chasing Alkins????

Good day for the Cats no matter what. Pair Kobi with LM and we end up with a decent recruiting class no matter what happens for the rest of the spring.

Kobi and JJ don't play the same position. I'm sure JJ wants to be paired with the best players possible.

I'm really excited to see him in an Arizona uniform. If he dedicates himself on the defensive end, he could be the x-factor in a championship run.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:41 pm

Chicat wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Great get by Miller. Can't sign enough quality recruits with the recruiting arms race going on in the PAC12 with UCLA/Cal stepping it up.

I'm still confused how we seemingly came out of nowhere for Kobi......and whats the recruiting plan going forward. Did we sign Kobi because we don't believe we are getting JJackson??? I presume its full speed ahead for JJackson anyway?? How does JJackson feel about Kobi being on the team?? Are we still chasing Alkins????

Good day for the Cats no matter what. Pair Kobi with LM and we end up with a decent recruiting class no matter what happens for the rest of the spring.
Kobi and JJ don't play the same position. I'm sure JJ wants to be paired with the best players possible.

I'm really excited to see him in an Arizona uniform. If he dedicates himself on the defensive end, he could be the x-factor in a championship run.

Baby steps. Don't go getting crazy talking "championship run."

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:45 pm

Okay now Kobi is a cat let's focus on our new DC!!!

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:45 pm

Debbie Downer.. sheesh. Time to celebrate and dream a little. (not directed at you 3 gogs)

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:52 pm

Miller is a witch & everything but let's be real if UK had a spot for him - that's where he would've ended up at.

Now for what he actually said about Arizona commitment.

"I’m going to Arizona and really my relationship with Miller and his staff just grew and grew,” Simmons told Scout. “We have an indescribable relationship. I just feel more comfortable with that stuff and I can trust them the most.”

"Me and Book [Richardson], the assistant coach, we are pretty much like family,” he added. “He knows my family as well and has known them for over 20 years. That’s just where I feel most comfortable with my style of play. Me and the players have cool relationships and that’s just where I’m most comfortable at.”

"It’s not like a school like North Dakota or something, where you have to go see if you’ll like it,” Simmons said. “It’s out there. I will be going out there right after I commit. That’s not really a big factor, I just know that’s where I need to be.”

“A lot of people don’t know, but this is going on four years of them recruiting me,” Simmons said. “I’ve been to their games. I went to a game when they played at Clemson my freshman year.”

“They came to a couple of my games last year and I had an in-home visit with them,” he added. “They came and saw me workout a couple of times. We always had a tight relationship. Sean just extended it more and more and showed me how bad they wanted me.”

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... ts-arizona" target="_blank

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:55 pm

HiCat wrote:Debbie Downer.. sheesh. Time to celebrate and dream a little. (not directed at you 3 gogs)

I know you were talking about fuegs

CBCat · Post by **CBCat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:58 pm

so do they Overnight the gear or what?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:10 pm

enfuego wrote:Baby steps. Don't go getting crazy talking "championship run."

Sorry, am I stepping all over your schtick?

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:23 pm

CBCat wrote:so do they Overnight the gear or what?

They basically would've had to...

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:30 pm

Chicat wrote:
enfuego wrote:Baby steps. Don't go getting crazy talking "championship run."
Sorry, am I stepping all over your schtick?

Don't let the noise ruin the party. Time to have some fun and get crazy with expectations.

TheGreatCatsby · Post by **TheGreatCatsby** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:11 pm

Kobi
Josh Jackson
Markkanen

That would be a pretty tight class in and of itself!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:45 pm

TheGreatCatsby wrote:Kobi
Josh Jackson
Markkanen

That would be a pretty tight class in and of itself!

Probably third in the nation after Duke and UK.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:55 pm

Not bad for just having 2 recruits. C'mon JJ!!!

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:46 pm

NYCat wrote:Miller is a witch & everything but let's be real if UK had a spot for him - that's where he would've ended up at.

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... ts-arizona" target="_blank

An odd recruitment for Simmons no doubt, but even more odd in the context of our recruitment of the PG/CG position in this class. Many expected us to land Fultz, and then Jones - and we whiff on both. A week ago no one dreamed we had a prayer at Simmons, and yet we land him.

Crazy

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:56 pm

Being a die hard Lakers fan I thought this would be the last year I get to cheer for Kobe...we'll not anymore as I get a new Kobi to cheer for!

Miller shows once again he is a master recruiter and never to be doubted when it comes to recruiting

I love the fact he hasn't visited yet. He is going to visit in the coming weeks see our facilities, home crowd, and the girls and go Why did I wait this long!!!!!!

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:38 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
TheGreatCatsby wrote:Kobi
Josh Jackson
Markkanen

That would be a pretty tight class in and of itself!
Probably third in the nation after Duke and UK.

Add in Ray to that and we have the #1 "frosh class"

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:45 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
NYCat wrote:Miller is a witch & everything but let's be real if UK had a spot for him - that's where he would've ended up at.

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... ts-arizona" target="_blank
An odd recruitment for Simmons no doubt, but even more odd in the context of our recruitment of the PG/CG position in this class. Many expected us to land Fultz, and then Jones - and we whiff on both. A week ago no one dreamed we had a prayer at Simmons, and yet we land him.

Crazy

True, and a pg is the most important position of need For the future so I really hope he is more kris Dunn than jp prince. We need stability at PG once Kadeem leaves. If kobi can coincide with PJC as our backups on a championship caliber team next year then take over as the starter with pjc providing heavy backup minutes as a senior it is a dream scenario

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:18 pm

dcZONAfan wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
TheGreatCatsby wrote:Kobi
Josh Jackson
Markkanen

That would be a pretty tight class in and of itself!
Probably third in the nation after Duke and UK.
Add in Ray to that and we have the #1 "frosh class"

Would you please stop posting this. ASUHATER has weighted in with his board-certified medical opinion.

Ray Smith's career is over.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:35 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
dcZONAfan wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
TheGreatCatsby wrote:Kobi
Josh Jackson
Markkanen

That would be a pretty tight class in and of itself!
Probably third in the nation after Duke and UK.
Add in Ray to that and we have the #1 "frosh class"
Would you please stop posting this. ASUHATER has weighted in with his board-certified medical opinion.

Ray Smith's career is over.

Shit my bad brother

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:55 pm

TheGreatCatsby wrote:Kobi
Josh Jackson
Markkanen

That would be a pretty tight class in and of itself!

Froling, Alkins? Kobi recruiting Alkins.

az91 · Post by **az91** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:28 am

I think John Calipari is secretly an Arizona fan. He helped us get Miller as head coach and now he helped us get Kobi by refusing to let him commit to Kentucky. Thanks, Cal!.

EOCT · Post by **EOCT** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:15 am

gumby wrote:
TheGreatCatsby wrote:Kobi
Josh Jackson
Markkanen

That would be a pretty tight class in and of itself!
Froling, Alkins? Kobi recruiting Alkins.

Adkins, especially if we were to miss on JJ, would be a strong get. Dude is a hard player to stop. Julius Randleish!

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:58 am

I want Alkins. Ive missed having a grimey, hard-nosed east coast/NYC guy on the team. All respect to Rondae, he PLAYED tough but he was he was also the most likeable and nicest guy in the world

though you know he had some badass hidden beneath all that

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:02 am

rgdeuce wrote:I want Alkins. Ive missed having a grimey, hard-nosed east coast/NYC guy on the team. All respect to Rondae, he PLAYED tough but he was he was also the most likeable and nicest guy in the world though you know he had some badass hidden beneath all that

Funny you mentioned a hard nosed guy, I was trying to imagine a Parrom-like player on this team yesterday.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:40 am

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... a-wildcats" target="_blank

Kobi Simmons commits to Wildcats

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:10 pm

If I'm not mistaken there are 4 scholarship seniors correct? York, Zues, Anderson and Tollefson?

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:30 pm

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:41 pm

btfd16 wrote:If I'm not mistaken there are 4 scholarship seniors correct? York, Zues, Anderson and Tollefson?

Correct, along with an open scholarship currently not being used.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:37 pm

If Miller says the '16 class will continue to grow, we should take the man's word.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:35 pm

Simmons named as a McDonald's All American tonight! Congrats to him.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:36 pm

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:56 pm

McD's All American recruits (Wildcats) under Sean Miller:

2012: Grant Jerret, Brandon Ashley
2013: Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Aaron Gordon
2014: Stanley Johnson
2015: Allonzo Trier
2016: Kobi Simmons. Josh Jackson?

Pretty impressive recruiting.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:15 pm

Late to the parade on this, but welcome Kobi Simmons!

Landing KS all the way from Georgia, especially with everyone out east recruiting him, is a huge signing.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:59 pm

CatsbyAZ wrote:Late to the parade on this, but welcome Kobi Simmons!

Landing KS all the way from Georgia, especially with everyone out east recruiting him, is a huge signing.

I know....especially considering the lack of news on him......tOSU really thought they were going to get him....not sure why they think so highly of their program though....I think it's mediocre now.

Anyways, back to Kobi......I still can't believe how quickly this happened....seems like he really wasn't sold on tOSU, so was he headed to UNLV until they fired Rice??? Or did he just really want UK only, they didn't want him, and left him having to re-think things?

Glad to have him though......CSM is a witch!

In re UofA · Post by **In re UofA** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:14 pm

Grant Jarret.... Still consider that whole situation a major bummer.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:24 pm

In re UofA wrote:Grant Jarret.... Still consider that whole situation a major bummer.

He got some bad advice and perhaps wasn't keen on being a student very long. He could've been all Pac if he'd stayed in Tucson for a while.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:53 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
In re UofA wrote:Grant Jarret.... Still consider that whole situation a major bummer.
He got some bad advice and perhaps wasn't keen on being a student very long. He could've been all Pac if he'd stayed in Tucson for a while.

Very much agree with Grant being a HUGE disappointment.......hope his debacle serves as some warning to other young Wildcats about being careful as to what the motives are behind your advisors.

GJ situation is yet another reason to make a 2 year minimum college or something similar.....would benefit all parties. Let those kids who absolutely can't hack it in college play overseas and develop there if they must get paid early.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:37 pm

Jerrett seems like a situation where he happened to be blessed with optimum height, good athleticism, and just enough quick-twitch/hand-eye/muscle-memory to become easily skilled who never really loved playing basketball and decided that as soon as he had to work for it, he was done.

I don't think his mind or heart was in the sport.

At one time I took his comments personally. Now I just think he left before he could screw up his draft stock any more. He was never going to commit to improving enough to justify coming back, so he got what he could while he cared just enough to try. And by try, I mean barely try.

I still remember him tweeting about watching a That 70s Show marathon... Likely from either a shitty apartment or shitty hotel room, in a shitty town while playing shitty in the shitty D-League for shitty pay.

Didn't even have the motivation to escape that hell.

Ashley at least worked. His was all flipping that mental switch.

Jerrett just didn't give a crap.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:47 pm

You bring up some good stuff Jmark. I think after all, it was good he left. I think he would have been bad for team chemistry the following year if he stayed.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:07 pm

WildcatStunner wrote:You bring up some good stuff Jmark. I think after all, it was good he left. I think he would have been bad for team chemistry the following year if he stayed.

Interesting thoughts / Intel Jmark & Stunner.

Thanks. BD.

RichardCranium · Post by **RichardCranium** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:15 pm

WildcatStunner wrote:You bring up some good stuff Jmark. I think after all, it was good he left. I think he would have been bad for team chemistry the following year if he stayed.

He wasn't any good for team chemistry the year he was here. Part of the reason he didn't play as much as expected and part of the reason he was (probably) encouraged to take his attitude elsewhere.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:35 am

Pit stop.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:00 am

RichardCranium wrote:
WildcatStunner wrote:You bring up some good stuff Jmark. I think after all, it was good he left. I think he would have been bad for team chemistry the following year if he stayed.
He wasn't any good for team chemistry the year he was here. Part of the reason he didn't play as much as expected and part of the reason he was (probably) encouraged to take his attitude elsewhere.

I don't know that any of that was actually the case.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:18 am

Chicat wrote:
RichardCranium wrote:
WildcatStunner wrote:You bring up some good stuff Jmark. I think after all, it was good he left. I think he would have been bad for team chemistry the following year if he stayed.
He wasn't any good for team chemistry the year he was here. Part of the reason he didn't play as much as expected and part of the reason he was (probably) encouraged to take his attitude elsewhere.
I don't know that any of that was actually the case.

I don't remember any rumblings that he was an attitude problem when he was actually here. I assume he wanted more minutes, but what player doesn't? I think GJ gets a lot of revisionist history here after the way he left.

carolinacat · Post by **carolinacat** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:22 am

Unless there are legitimate and proven examples, I'm skeptical about over analyzing the Jerrett situation. I think he simply got some bad advice. Miller talked about it recently that when players leave early, they'll sit with their parents and the coach and divulge their plans and the coach really can't do much to convince them to stay once their minds are made up. That's what I think happened with Miller.

I suspect that the parents (and players) think that coaches are only looking out for themselves and selfishly want the players to stay, no matter what. But we've seen that isn't the truth with Miller (and other coaches too). If their draft evaluations are very promising, the players should go. Stanley Johnson was a perfect example. Even after he had all his info, Miller indicated that SJ still was on the fence about leaving but eventually did what was best for his family. Had he stayed, he no doubt would've been in the running for Pac 12 POY and a top 5 pick. But leaving when he did was still very lucrative both short and long term for him.

Jerrett's decision was a disaster and it's a shame that it was obvious to everyone (even the fans) except Jerrett and his handlers.

As for Ashley, I don't understand what led to his decision making. With BA coming in, perhaps the coaches made it clear that they were going to play the best player. In a way, that's tough for Ashley because he was a good soldier. I still think it would've been in his best interest to stay and get minutes and improve. Now he's stuck in the D league and it could be awhile before he gets an opportunity, if ever.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:43 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Chicat wrote:
RichardCranium wrote:
WildcatStunner wrote:You bring up some good stuff Jmark. I think after all, it was good he left. I think he would have been bad for team chemistry the following year if he stayed.
He wasn't any good for team chemistry the year he was here. Part of the reason he didn't play as much as expected and part of the reason he was (probably) encouraged to take his attitude elsewhere.
I don't know that any of that was actually the case.
I don't remember any rumblings that he was an attitude problem when he was actually here. I assume he wanted more minutes, but what player doesn't? I think GJ gets a lot of revisionist history here after the way he left.

I agree. I know GJ was close with TJ and it was kind of a shock that he would go pro and pass up the opportunity to play with a legit pass-first PG, especially as a stretch 4 who would benefit from TJ's ability to get into the lane and then kick it out.

As for Ashley, the best explanation I heard was that sometimes kids are just done with college and want to move on to playing professionally. We saw that with Michael Wright (RIP) as well. Their draft evaluations weren't such that you'd expect them to leave early, but they didn't want to come back to school and went pro anyway.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:36 am

I don't think Ashley made a bad decision. Returning, he would have lost some minutes with Zeus, Ristic and Anderson to compete with. Developmentally, you can develop in the D League as well as college. It really just seemed like his time to go, and even if it does not result in him being a pro, I don't think playing his senior year would have either.

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