Arizona @ Utah discussion thread

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:41 pm

Early line has Utah -9.5.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:49 pm

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:51 pm

Utah is also dealing with a fair bit of injuries. Starting center was just lost for the year and IIRC they've got 2 other O line guys hurt and some DL guys. Possibly their best WR as well. They have enough trouble throwing the ball. If Arizona can have a healthy backfield for this game, they'll have a punchers chance.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:57 pm

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:49 pm

azpenguin wrote:Utah is also dealing with a fair bit of injuries. Starting center was just lost for the year and IIRC they've got 2 other O line guys hurt and some DL guys. Possibly their best WR as well. They have enough trouble throwing the ball. If Arizona can have a healthy backfield for this game, they'll have a punchers chance.

But is their injury worst than Arizona thou were we lost most of our playmakers.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:05 pm

Utah is not a playmaker kind of team. They play a "grind you into the ground" kind of football. Their QB is decent but not great. If they're missing key O line and D line guys, well, those ARE their playmakers. They can't afford to get into a shootout with Arizona, which could happen if AZ can put a healthy backfield out there. The Utes aren't built to chase points.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:13 pm

Well we ain't putting a healthy backfield out if we're on our 4th stringers at qb and rb still.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:20 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:Well we ain't putting a healthy backfield out if we're on our 4th stringers at qb and rb still.

It's on the road but I think this is a great game for Tate to start in. I would love to see him with Zach Green and keep TJ in the slot or as a change of pace back

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:23 pm

azcat49 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Well we ain't putting a healthy backfield out if we're on our 4th stringers at qb and rb still.
It's on the road but I think this is a great game for Tate to start in. I would love to see him with Zach Green and keep TJ in the slot or as a change of pace back

How about both of them back there is a 2 back set like RR hinted about a week or 2 ago.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:34 pm

I don't like that because then the back up QB becomes Werlinger as you would have to move Tate back to QB and then if he gets hurt you are playing guy that couldn't start at Pima.

If Dawkins has bruised ribs I don't see how you run him out there this week anyways so get Tate some playing time

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:39 pm

I think if RR had another healthy RB or two he'd go with the two back set. But as thin as they are right now, you're playing with fire having both of them out there. Enough injuries already, so you don't want to risk guys more than you have to. As far as whether or not they'll put a healthy backfield out there... we don't know how hurt Dawkins is and they still have Wilson listed at 1 on the depth chart (I don't know how much I buy into that.) Therea a slim chance that we could see the 1s out there but as I said, slim.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:44 pm

azcat49 wrote:I don't like that because then the back up QB becomes Werlinger as you would have to move Tate back to QB and then if he gets hurt you are playing guy that couldn't start at Pima.

If Dawkins has bruised ribs I don't see how you run him out there this week anyways so get Tate some playing time

I meant Green and Johnson in the backfield together.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:53 pm

Oh OK. Yea I like that. I think we also need to have a TE on every play for Tate. Make for some easy outlet throws to build confidence plus we have an extra big body to help with blocking

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:59 pm

Great points J, but you think RR would do that?

I don't, too stubborn.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:09 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Great points J, but you think RR would do that?

I don't, too stubborn.

he mentioned wanting to do some 2 back sets for Washington, but then the injuries hit.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:20 pm

That's the thing with RR, he says things like :

1) we need to get bigger and we will address this in recruiting
2) we want to use the TE more and will recruit accordingly
3) we had plans to use 2 backs
4) we have shown guys how we will get them in space

For the most part it has been all lip service. He just does what he does which is read option football 101. He finally ran a reverse against Hawaii. Do you think we could see a jet sweep 1 time with TJ so I doubt it CST

catinfl · Post by **catinfl** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:34 am

Utah can't beat Arizona, Arizona can't beat UCLA. The trend will continue.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:25 pm

azcat49 wrote:That's the thing with RR, he says things like :

1) we need to get bigger and we will address this in recruiting
2) we want to use the TE more and will recruit accordingly
3) we had plans to use 2 backs
4) we have shown guys how we will get them in space

For the most part it has been all lip service. He just does what he does which is read option football 101. He finally ran a reverse against Hawaii. Do you think we could see a jet sweep 1 time with TJ so I doubt it CST

doesn't that fall under the general definition of "coach speak" ?

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:44 pm

Is anybody going to this game? Or thinking about it? I've been waffling back and forth between going or enjoying the Saturday slate from the comfort of my couch. Normally this wouldn't even be a question but this is a tough year

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:55 am

azcat49 wrote:That's the thing with RR, he says things like :

1) we need to get bigger and we will address this in recruiting
2) we want to use the TE more and will recruit accordingly
3) we had plans to use 2 backs
4) we have shown guys how we will get them in space

For the most part it has been all lip service. He just does what he does which is read option football 101. He finally ran a reverse against Hawaii. Do you think we could see a jet sweep 1 time with TJ so I doubt it CST

Offensive line recruiting is fine, IMO, it's the front seven that I've been screaming about for 5 or 6 years now. In his defense a lot of well regarded LBs have been signed on. It's that too many have not worked out well. Finding bodies for the front for has been hopeless and negligent.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:11 pm

'bout time.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:57 pm

I do hate that Neal hasn't been working out at CB, but it is what it is. I'd like to see him get the ball in his hands on offense.

Fishclamps · Post by **Fishclamps** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:15 pm

azpenguin wrote:I do hate that Neal hasn't been working out at CB, but it is what it is. I'd like to see him get the ball in his hands on offense.

He started out at WR. Still wasn't very good.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:13 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:34 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:43 pm

After seeing Wilson hobble off last week, no way I can expect to see him this week.

BAREDOWN · Post by **BAREDOWN** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:49 pm

Merkin wrote:After seeing Wilson hobble off last week, no way I can expect to see him this week.

I was thinking the same thing when he first went off, but if I remember correctly he was walking around the sideline holding his helmet the set of the way.

Either way, if he does see the field, unfortunately it seems like it is only a matter of time before he gets banged up again.

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:41 pm

We're hitching our wagon to Tate and that's that. I don't know what the severity of BD's rib injury is, but as someone who broke 5 of them once, they hurt like a mother and take a long time to heal. I certainly wouldn't blame the kid for not being able to go. I thought he was a stud for giving it the go he did last week after he got banged up. Gonna be hard to hold my breath for an entire game every time someone is coming after Tate.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:53 pm

Not Utah related but anyone watching the drive on the PAC network that features the cats? The Hawaii game one was really good

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:55 pm

They've described it as a bruise, so it may not take too long to heal, but I'd agree it's gonna be the Tate show this week. Even if it's just a bad bruise, it's going to take a bit, and that affects your ability to run, throw, turn, breathe... stuff that might be slightly important for a QB. It's going to be interesting considering that Tate got gassed pretty easily at sea level last week, and now he's going to Rice-Eccles. He's going to have to carry a considerable amount of the load himself.

BearDown89 · Post by **BearDown89** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:38 pm

azpenguin wrote:They've described it as a bruise, so it may not take too long to heal, but I'd agree it's gonna be the Tate show this week. Even if it's just a bad bruise, it's going to take a bit, and that affects your ability to run, throw, turn, breathe... stuff that might be slightly important for a QB. It's going to be interesting considering that Tate got gassed pretty easily at sea level last week, and now he's going to Rice-Eccles. He's going to have to carry a considerable amount of the load himself.

It's interesting about Tate being gassed after that first series and beyond last week. It was obvious to see and surprising that an athlete like him would be so out of breath. You'd expect a certain level of athletic fitness regardless of previous live game action. To me, it almost looked like he was hyperventilating with adrenaline and sensory overload in the excitement of the moment - as opposed to being truly gassed; i.e., he was freaking out! He didn't seem comfortable at first, but obviously performed pretty well. Curious to see if he's a little more settled this week with the expectation and preparation of starting.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:45 pm

Didn't puke like Scott though, so he has that going for him.

Being a 4th string QB to start the season has to put a little damper on putting extreme effort into fitness.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:02 pm

BearDown89 wrote:
azpenguin wrote:They've described it as a bruise, so it may not take too long to heal, but I'd agree it's gonna be the Tate show this week. Even if it's just a bad bruise, it's going to take a bit, and that affects your ability to run, throw, turn, breathe... stuff that might be slightly important for a QB. It's going to be interesting considering that Tate got gassed pretty easily at sea level last week, and now he's going to Rice-Eccles. He's going to have to carry a considerable amount of the load himself.
It's interesting about Tate being gassed after that first series and beyond last week. It was obvious to see and surprising that an athlete like him would be so out of breath. You'd expect a certain level of athletic fitness regardless of previous live game action. To me, it almost looked like he was hyperventilating with adrenaline and sensory overload in the excitement of the moment - as opposed to being truly gassed; i.e., he was freaking out! He didn't seem comfortable at first, but obviously performed pretty well. Curious to see if he's a little more settled this week with the expectation and preparation of starting.

RichRod said when he went to check on him down on the ground after he got the wind knocked out of him, Tate was smiling. "His big butt was just tired." So yeah, maybe some of it was just excitement.

Fishclamps · Post by **Fishclamps** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:01 pm

Sucks to see Poindexter out, he was doing pretty well so far.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:13 am

Poindexter was the only other tall receiver besides Griffey.

TyrantCat · Post by **TyrantCat** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:54 am

Just find a way to beat Utah and btfd.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:57 am

Having good thoughts about Tate and the job he will do today. A star will be born

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:43 am

Where's POM?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:49 pm

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:35 pm

No post game discussion huh?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:42 am

3goggles wrote:No post game discussion huh?

Is there something to discuss? Tate needed to play the whole game and our defense looks and smells like old Swiss cheese. The End

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:43 pm

Jake Matthews - broken toe. Isaiah Hayes left with a likely concussion. Dawkins out as well and speculation it was a concussion. Ippolito out and announcers were saying knee. This is crazy.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:07 pm

Chicat wrote:
3goggles wrote:No post game discussion huh?
Is there something to discuss? Tate needed to play the whole game and our defense looks and smells like old Swiss cheese. The End

100%, no more discussion necessary

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:10 pm

We are essentially a mid major gimmicky team playing in a high major conference.

Its no wonder we are decimated by injuries. Just straight up physics.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:14 pm

Who is taking the over on 4 wins for the season?

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:12 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:Who is taking the over on 4 wins for the season?

Just shut up about that. If you think Arizona is a powerhouse then tell those recruit to come to Arizona. No one predicted this year was going to be bad.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:25 pm

...wha

What?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:54 pm

cordera89 wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Who is taking the over on 4 wins for the season?
Just shut up about that. If you think Arizona is a powerhouse then tell those recruit to come to Arizona. No one predicted this year was going to be bad.

I could go back and look, but pretty sure after the BYU game I was saying the Cats would go 2-7 the first 9 games. But had WSU and ntOSU as wins. Not sure about those any more after last weekend.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:30 pm

Merkin wrote:
cordera89 wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:Who is taking the over on 4 wins for the season?
Just shut up about that. If you think Arizona is a powerhouse then tell those recruit to come to Arizona. No one predicted this year was going to be bad.
I could go back and look, but pretty sure after the BYU game I was saying the Cats would go 2-7 the first 9 games. But had WSU and ntOSU as wins. Not sure about those any more after last weekend.

Merkin everyone is acting like Arizona is a powerhouse level team, were 2-4 with growing injury to bite us in the @@@. Look our expectation isn't high this year and everyone should have lower their chances. At some point, RR and Staff need to salvage this season. Like I said no one predicted it was going to be this bad with injury piling up to creep at us again. Should we really throw RR under the bus for that.

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:31 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:...wha

What?

Keep trying to ignore what I said.

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