Allonzo Trier

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:20 am

ASUHATER! wrote: don't be that guy, Chi. you know better. it's anything but a win. in fact it's a huge loss for everyone, especially RS. feel so bad for the kid. just am pointing out the terrible behavior and posts of some of the people on here.

Terrible behavior? All I saw was a bunch of reasonable fans who were optimistic for a kid who had been through a lot and had high hopes of him gradually contributing more and more as the season progressed. No one knew if he was a Derrick Rose or just someone who had bad luck strike twice. The professionals were saying positive things and there were plenty of examples of bounce back stories. Everyone here knows the history of this and YOU knew that, but you still couldn't help yourself. And you did it when Ray, the entire U of A family, and everyone here is emotionally vulnerable and feeling horrible for the kid. Now tell me, what sounds like the terrible behavior in all of this? Your actions show your sympathy for the kid is merely for show.

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:28 am

At what point is it ok to say that Miller and the training staff messed up bad?

He had an injury scare very early and knowing Ray's history that should have been a sign to slow things down.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:29 am

Blaming an injury on a coach. Cool.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:35 am

He was medically cleared, and Smith reported himself 100%. Nothing else Miller and staff could do.

Wrong thread anyway.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:40 am

I heard a new one today. It isn't PED related at all. It is an academic issue that will either blow over or end up being very, very bad for the entire basketball program. Sort of like a Jalen Rose/Memphis type situation.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:45 am

Very tough situation for the kid. Important decisions coming now, and it won't be easy. As mentioned above, how he's dealing with the situation says a lot about his character. Hats off to him.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:45 am

UofAlum05 wrote:I heard a new one today. It isn't PED related at all. It is an academic issue that will either blow over or end up being very, very bad for the entire basketball program. Sort of like a Jalen Rose/Memphis type situation.

You mean the Jalen Rose who went to Michigan?

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:47 am

UofAlum05 wrote:I heard a new one today. It isn't PED related at all. It is an academic issue that will either blow over or end up being very, very bad for the entire basketball program. Sort of like a Jalen Rose/Memphis type situation.

....you mean Derrick?

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:51 am

MountainCat wrote:
UofAlum05 wrote:I heard a new one today. It isn't PED related at all. It is an academic issue that will either blow over or end up being very, very bad for the entire basketball program. Sort of like a Jalen Rose/Memphis type situation.
....you mean Derrick?

Yes Derrick. Kind of ironic that Ray Smith and Alonzo Trier are being compared to situations pertaining to Derrick Rose.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:53 am

Jalen Rose Michigan was money for a booster to the fab five. It fucked the program. are you sure abou this?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:55 am

Jesus...Thst would be awfule if true, regarding AT. No wonder Miller is tight lipped.

Wouldn't stop UNC.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:00 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Jalen Rose Michigan was money for a booster to the fab five. It fucked the program. are you sure abou this?

He meant Derrick Rose. Someone else taking the SAT for him is what I seem to remember.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:05 am

Several people "in the know" has stated it's not academic related.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:12 am

ASUHATER! wrote:
Chicat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:crazy how i said this, pretty much word for word, before but was destroyed on the board.
Congrats on your big win.
don't be that guy, Chi.

Sorry, should have realized the Internet Douchnozzle position had already been filled by you.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:30 pm

Jefe wrote:Not a single Trier question or statement at either post game presser...

PR staff announced before presser there would be no comment on Trier and that anyone who asked about Comanche would be referred to the statement put out before the game.

qwertyus · Post by **qwertyus** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:56 pm

So...Really nothing has changed with Trier?

He's got some sort of issue, nobody is sure what it is. He may be ineligible for all, part, or none of the season. There may or may not be an appeal on whatever issue Trier is having with the NCAA.

Did I miss anything?

He didn't play in an exhibition game, but of course, that tells us absolutely nothing concrete. If AT is going through something with the NCAA, he's probably not going to be interacting with the team as if nothing is happening. If there's already been a ruling, and we're waiting on an appeal, same thing. If he's already been ruled ineligible, then he'd never have been playing in the R/B game or participating in team activities at all. But so far as I can tell, the only thing he's not doing is participating during games.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:16 pm

I like the fact that he did the shoot around. Means he is practicing and all the rumors about him leaving school are not true. So I did see some positives last night.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:08 pm

rgdeuce wrote:This is certainly not a situation that warrants an "I told you so," no matter how anyone else was acting. Come on man.

Plus, it is like saying "everyone who crosses the street here gets run over", and then someone gets run over and you say "SEEE?!?!?!"

No...that was a fluke. Lots of people cross the street and don't die.

LOTS of people come back from ACL tears, and a first tear on a knee is almost McSurgery. The fact that it happened this time is not indicative of any logic in the initial statement. Sometimes, the slot machine comes up 777, but the fact that it does when someone says it will is not evidence that it was a logical statement to say it would.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:41 pm

luteformayor2 wrote:At what point is it ok to say that Miller and the training staff messed up bad?

He had an injury scare very early and knowing Ray's history that should have been a sign to slow things down.

At some point you gotta take the training wheels off and let them go. He was properly cleared by the right people. Flareups, soreness, stiffness, scares, etc. are all expected along the line of recovery. Those dont go away until things are pushed, cautiously and with proper oversight (ie: limited minutes, like as planned). I had surgery on a torn ligament in my dominant wrist. The rehab sucks, but then it gets to a point where it does all it can and the pain is almost gone, if not gone at all. But eventually, u have to go out in the real work and open a jar, use a screwdriver, shoot a basketball, spank your monkey, etc., and there is pain, soreness, flareups and scares. But that is expected with more dynamic, everyday activities that work things differently than physical therapy in a controlled environment. Eventually you get stronger and get back most of your motion and things are almost like they were before, with a few hiccups once or twice a year. If he babies it til December, he is at the same risk with the same problems as he had November 1.

If the first scare was a knee, I agree. But it was apparently an ankle and he was fine to return. We as fans just have to come to terms with the fact that nothing, outside of not playing basketball, could have prevented this. It just so happened last night was the night. Could have happened during drills or running 5 on 5 in practice. It wasn't some freak event like a foot getting stuck in astro turf - that finish and collision is going to happen in many games for his style of player, and things get even more amped up when the games have more meaning and he gets more confidence. And there were probably plenty of scares in practice before last night, even being cautious.

Gilbertcat wrote:I like the fact that he did the shoot around. Means he is practicing and all the rumors about him leaving school are not true. So I did see some positives last night.

Well, at least it puts to bed the fact he is leaving right now. He still has to stay ready in case things work out in his favor, and he has to stay ready if they dont. Gotta be in game shape whether he is a Cat or plays overseas for a season.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:00 am

for those in the know (if such a thing exists in today's Miller world)...

...is there any additional factor here, or other incidents that are cumulative? A Sean Elliott/Anthony Cook like story?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:04 am

The other worthless site is talking about Maria Sharapova and meldonium in relation to Trier

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:58 am

Jefe wrote:The other worthless site is talking about Maria Sharapova and meldonium in relation to Trier

So he might get suspended for taking a substance that many people believe give you zero percent athletic enhancement? oye

TJATUA · Post by **TJATUA** » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:16 pm

https://instagram.com/p/BMaebtdATo3/" target="_blank

Anyone care to decode this?

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:30 pm

It's black.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:47 am

Jefe wrote:The other worthless site is talking about Maria Sharapova and meldonium in relation to Trier

Based on what source?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:43 am

HiCat wrote:
Jefe wrote:The other worthless site is talking about Maria Sharapova and meldonium in relation to Trier

Based on what source?

A one post user since 2007?

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Think Maria Sharapova.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:33 pm

Merkin wrote:
HiCat wrote:
Jefe wrote:The other worthless site is talking about Maria Sharapova and meldonium in relation to Trier

Based on what source?
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Think Maria Sharapova.

You're the man Merk. Able to leap tall bldgs with a single keystroke.

One post since 07?? pfffft.. so much for credibility.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:12 am

Sean Miller doesn’t say if Allonzo Trier will travel with team to Hawai’i

With the regular season less than five days away, it’s still unclear if the Arizona Wildcats will have sophomore guard Allonzo Trier in their opener against the Michigan State Spartans.

The Wildcats travel to Honolulu on Wednesday, but whether or not Trier will be on that plane was not addressed after Sunday’s game against Chico State.

“I’m not going to comment on Allonzo,” head coach Sean Miller said when asked if he could say if Trier will travel with the team.

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball ... igan-state" target="_blank

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:42 am

The Sports Editor from the AZ Daily Wildcat says 'not traveling with team...'.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Saul_Bookman ... 8038411264

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:13 am

What's disappointing is that this cannot be resolved, or ruled upon, swiftly. Why does it take weeks?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:20 am

Beachcat97 wrote:What's disappointing is that this cannot be resolved, or ruled upon, swiftly. Why does it take weeks?

The NCAA is involved.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:24 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:What's disappointing is that this cannot be resolved, or ruled upon, swiftly. Why does it take weeks?
The NCAA is involved.

I can remember recent eligibility issues with players at Kansas, UCLA, and UK. Most were resolved within the first couple weeks of the season, if not earlier.

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:35 am

rgdeuce wrote:
luteformayor2 wrote:At what point is it ok to say that Miller and the training staff messed up bad?

He had an injury scare very early and knowing Ray's history that should have been a sign to slow things down.
At some point you gotta take the training wheels off and let them go. He was properly cleared by the right people. Flareups, soreness, stiffness, scares, etc. are all expected along the line of recovery. Those dont go away until things are pushed, cautiously and with proper oversight (ie: limited minutes, like as planned). I had surgery on a torn ligament in my dominant wrist. The rehab sucks, but then it gets to a point where it does all it can and the pain is almost gone, if not gone at all. But eventually, u have to go out in the real work and open a jar, use a screwdriver, shoot a basketball, spank your monkey, etc., and there is pain, soreness, flareups and scares. But that is expected with more dynamic, everyday activities that work things differently than physical therapy in a controlled environment. Eventually you get stronger and get back most of your motion and things are almost like they were before, with a few hiccups once or twice a year. If he babies it til December, he is at the same risk with the same problems as he had November 1.

If the first scare was a knee, I agree. But it was apparently an ankle and he was fine to return. We as fans just have to come to terms with the fact that nothing, outside of not playing basketball, could have prevented this. It just so happened last night was the night. Could have happened during drills or running 5 on 5 in practice. It wasn't some freak event like a foot getting stuck in astro turf - that finish and collision is going to happen in many games for his style of player, and things get even more amped up when the games have more meaning and he gets more confidence. And there were probably plenty of scares in practice before last night, even being cautious.

Gilbertcat wrote:I like the fact that he did the shoot around. Means he is practicing and all the rumors about him leaving school are not true. So I did see some positives last night.
Well, at least it puts to bed the fact he is leaving right now. He still has to stay ready in case things work out in his favor, and he has to stay ready if they dont. Gotta be in game shape whether he is a Cat or plays overseas for a season.

Well said!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:42 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:What's disappointing is that this cannot be resolved, or ruled upon, swiftly. Why does it take weeks?
The NCAA is involved.
I can remember recent eligibility issues with players at Kansas, UCLA, and UK. Most were resolved within the first couple weeks of the season, if not earlier.

Cheick Diallo missed 5 regular season games. Allonzo has missed zero so far.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:43 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:What's disappointing is that this cannot be resolved, or ruled upon, swiftly. Why does it take weeks?
The NCAA is involved.
I can remember recent eligibility issues with players at Kansas, UCLA, and UK. Most were resolved within the first couple weeks of the season, if not earlier.

Aren't we in the first few weeks of the season?

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:43 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:What's disappointing is that this cannot be resolved, or ruled upon, swiftly. Why does it take weeks?
The NCAA is involved.
I can remember recent eligibility issues with players at Kansas, UCLA, and UK. Most were resolved within the first couple weeks of the season, if not earlier.

Cheick Diallo was cleared November 26, after Kansas played whatever exhibitions and five regular season games, including Duke and Indiana. One of many examples that there is no such thing as quick with the NCAA no matter what it is.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:44 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:What's disappointing is that this cannot be resolved, or ruled upon, swiftly. Why does it take weeks?
The NCAA is involved.
I can remember recent eligibility issues with players at Kansas, UCLA, and UK. Most were resolved within the first couple weeks of the season, if not earlier.
Aren't we in the first few weeks of the season?

We're actually 4 days away from the start of the season.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:22 am

Ignore, Seth Davis misheard who is playing.

EDIT: Listening to it, sounded like he means Chance, not Trier.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=17991467" target="_blank

loomer · Post by **loomer** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:27 am

Gilbertcat wrote:
EDIT: Listening to it, sounded like he means Chance.

He definitely said Chance.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:28 am

But seems we will know about Trier soon enough.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:30 am

Fair enough. Then we should have some actual news on AT within the next 4 to 6 weeks. Hey, if he's cleared to play by the start of the Pac schedule, we'll be thrilled.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:31 am

Seth Davis is a twat

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:42 am

Olsondogg wrote:Seth Davis is a twat

I can't believe this twat put Oregon at #2 in his Top 25

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:50 am

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Seth Davis is a twat

I can't believe this twat put Oregon at #2 in his Top 25

By March, OR could be a top 5 team.

Bear Down Vegas · Post by **Bear Down Vegas** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:54 am

I don't mean this as a direct analogy but more about - something like this happens every year. Injuries, grades, disciplinary issues...and it never changes how I feel about the 'Cats on the floor. My team is on the floor yo.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:56 am

Bear Down Vegas · Post by **Bear Down Vegas** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:56 am

The crowd does remind me of some people around here though.

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:57 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
BE4RDOWN21 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Seth Davis is a twat

I can't believe this twat put Oregon at #2 in his Top 25
By March, OR could be a top 5 team.

Sure, I could see that. Their non-conference schedule is mediocre though with only Gtown, Baylor and Alabama being potential threats. If they can run the table in their non-conference albeit potentially without Brooks, then I could certainly see a 2 spot for them.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:36 am

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
BE4RDOWN21 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Seth Davis is a twat

I can't believe this twat put Oregon at #2 in his Top 25
By March, OR could be a top 5 team.

Sure, I could see that. Their non-conference schedule is mediocre though with only Gtown, Baylor and Alabama being potential threats. If they can run the table in their non-conference albeit potentially without Brooks, then I could certainly see a 2 spot for them.

Not to get too far afield of the thread topic, but I mean, OR is the favorite to win the Pac. If they go like 16-2 in league with some nice OOC wins, they are definitely a 2 seed and could be in the mix for a 1.

BE4RDOWN21 · Post by **BE4RDOWN21** » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:38 am

For sure. Also, can anyone confirm the validity of AT traveling to Hawaii? Someone in another forum said that both him and CC are there.

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