Allow Beachcat to stay?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:42 pm

catgrad97 wrote:The anonymity of the internet has abased human beings into sociopaths with avatars.

Maybe I was that to begin with. You don't know me.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:52 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:The anonymity of the internet has abased human beings into sociopaths with avatars.
Maybe I was that to begin with. You don't know me.

You don't have an avatar.

Post by **UAdevil** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:17 pm

I'd vote to let him back after the season for a final chance.

Lofty · Post by **Lofty** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:29 pm

Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:It was more than fair to consider a return before he came back with the response Chi posted mere moments after "leaving".

He provides nothing of substance to the board. If people want him back, restrict him to his own forum/thread so that those that want to engage that shit can go there. Otherwise, it pollutes otherwise good threads.
See, that's why I think the suspension is more about how he behaves than the bet. If he wasn't consistently trolling and dropped the non-apology at the end, people would be willing to overlook the bet, at least IMO.

That's a reason I tend to skew towards letting him control his own destiny. Keep with posts that show the reason no one minds that he got banned to begin with and let him go for good. If he actually values posting here, he can show it and make amends by cutting the bs.
Yeah, if he had come in and said, "Holy crap, what a game. I'm an idiot. That will teach me to bet against the Cats ever. Any chance we can say bygones and I can stick around? Willing to eat as much crow as possible to make that happen." and then watched for the responses, I'm sure most people, especially in the afterglow of such a huge win would have been fine with him staying.

But to just announce he's sticking around and that "it's just a message board" and then to finish it off by saying to hold the elementary school-level insults and taunts? What an asshole.

THIS. Ban him. At the very least until after the season is over, including Dance.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:48 pm

rgdeuce wrote:In defense of the guy, it is pretty apparent there are some underlying mental health concerns. If he isn't a concern troll or a wolf in sheep's clothing troll, he is a case study for generalized anxiety disorder. I've felt bad for the dude on multiple occasions.

Yeah, something is amiss, for sure.

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Some klnd of obsessive something

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No way we beat the Bruins! Miller is great.

Heh

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:54 pm

Alright I say we close it here, he's not worth more than 4 pages of discussion quite frankly. We have an overwhelming majority.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:48 pm

3 month ban, subject to reconsideration and majority vote of approval after April.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:58 pm

HiCat wrote:3 month ban, subject to reconsideration and majority vote of approval after April.

I agree, that's a separate vote.

And should he come back, he should honor his word and never come back.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:00 pm

Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:The anonymity of the internet has abased human beings into sociopaths with avatars.
Maybe I was that to begin with. You don't know me.
You don't have an avatar.

Only on the internet.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:48 pm

Wow, just ignore him. Its hilarious how wrong he has been, what are we gonna do without the comedic relief? If he really wants to be on here he will find a way back in

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:50 pm

Who's going to tell him when he's off the banned list?!!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:17 pm

Alieberman wrote:Who's going to tell him when he's off the banned list?!!

He messaged the Admin account right after he got banned.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:20 pm

Has he even written a mea culpa? Apology? Or some kind of explanation and promise not to be such a negative tool (at times)?

Damn, if it were me and I really cared about being banned or not, I'd at least send out a statement/apology if I actually cared.....and this discussion has been going on for how long now?

Edit, I see he his banned....has he submitted any apology anywhere?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:26 pm

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Has he even written a mea culpa? Apology? Or some kind of explanation and promise not to be such a negative tool (at times)?

Damn, if it were me and I really cared about being banned or not, I'd at least send out a statement/apology if I actually cared.....and this discussion has been going on for how long now?

Edit, I see he his banned....has he submitted any apology anywhere?

Not yet.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:37 pm

I'd like to see T Bag come back. Dude was money on his ban vote

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:05 pm

Hi, everyone. What follows was sent to the admin yesterday. So yes, I did attempt to apologize.

"I readily admit that I made a huge mistake agreeing to that bet. I'm a UofA alum (class of '99) and love the Cats. I should know better than to antagonize the team or their fans. I get carried away sometimes. I'll learn from this experience and keep it in check moving forward. I feel terrible about this and do apologize."

I'm sorry to anyone I may've offended. I've followed this thread and now wonder if I should seek psychological counseling or something. It's a serious subject, and I do appreciate the concern, if that's what it is.

Lastly, I just want to express heartfelt, unwavering support for the UofA. I love the school, its teams, and its community. It's an exciting time to be a UofA fan, and like all of you, I can't wait for March.

Bear Down!

Post by **UAdevil** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:09 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:12 pm

Actual humility . . . Interesting.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:13 pm

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:14 pm

Okay, thank you Beachcat. What you say rings true. I'm going to have faith that you aren't a UCLA fan pretending to be an Arizona fan just to disrupt threads.

What do we do about the vote tally? Like I said above, I'd change my vote but I can't. Maybe others would change their vote as well, but can't.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:19 pm

Think I'm just going to refrain from discussing UCLA. It seems to get me in trouble.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:29 pm

Longhorned wrote:Okay, thank you Beachcat. What you say rings true. I'm going to have faith that you aren't a UCLA fan pretending to be an Arizona fan just to disrupt threads.

What do we do about the vote tally? Like I said above, I'd change my vote but I can't. Maybe others would change their vote as well, but can't.

Banned until after the season is my vote.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:41 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Think I'm just going to refrain from discussing UCLA. It seems to get me in trouble.

Dude, what gets you in trouble is that you don't believe that CSM is a witch. Which seems silly, considering the evidence at hand.

Rest of the board: We are 18-2 w/ BC97 here. Do we really want to mess w/ that JUJU right now??

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:43 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Hi, everyone. What follows was sent to the admin yesterday. So yes, I did attempt to apologize.

"I readily admit that I made a huge mistake agreeing to that bet. I'm a UofA alum (class of '99) and love the Cats. I should know better than to antagonize the team or their fans. I get carried away sometimes. I'll learn from this experience and keep it in check moving forward. I feel terrible about this and do apologize."

I'm sorry to anyone I may've offended. I've followed this thread and now wonder if I should seek psychological counseling or something. It's a serious subject, and I do appreciate the concern, if that's what it is.

Lastly, I just want to express heartfelt, unwavering support for the UofA. I love the school, its teams, and its community. It's an exciting time to be a UofA fan, and like all of you, I can't wait for March.

Bear Down!

Impressive mea culpa....well-said. Hope you will come back after whatever price is that you will have to pay. Bear Down.

EDIT: Too bad you waited so long or I wouldn't have voted to ban you......which I didn't take lightly.

Post by **UAdevil** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:55 pm

To be fair, he could not post that earlier and he DID reach out to me earlier.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:01 pm

Chicat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Okay, thank you Beachcat. What you say rings true. I'm going to have faith that you aren't a UCLA fan pretending to be an Arizona fan just to disrupt threads.

What do we do about the vote tally? Like I said above, I'd change my vote but I can't. Maybe others would change their vote as well, but can't.
Banned until after the season is my vote.

Agreed.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:23 pm

UAdevil wrote:To be fair, he could not post that earlier and he DID reach out to me earlier.

Ah, ok thanks for the clarification UAdevil.....fairness is very important.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:36 pm

I say let him stay. I never voted before. There are some serious things to get upset with in this world today... crappy message board posters isn't high on my list

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:39 pm

Sorry as well for even creating a need for this thread! I know you'd all rather be discussing other things.

Two games this week. Bear down!

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:46 pm

Seems kind of messy to have individual votes for different outcomes. Would there be widespread objection to allowing Beachcat to come to his own decision about what kind of self-ban to impose (if any) in lieu of his earlier decision to leave the board permanently? It was, after all, his voluntary decision, and the only talk of board-based ban came about after his ignoring of the issue, which his recent posts seem to correct.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:57 pm

Longhorned wrote:Seems kind of messy to have individual votes for different outcomes. Would there be widespread objection to allowing Beachcat to come to his own decision about what kind of self-ban to impose (if any) in lieu of his earlier decision to leave the board permanently? It was, after all, his voluntary decision, and the only talk of board-based ban came about after his ignoring of the issue, which his recent posts seem to correct.

Seems fair to me....but I would also think the Mods have enough reason for some sort of probation as well....his statement above was a good first step though.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:03 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Hi, everyone. What follows was sent to the admin yesterday. So yes, I did attempt to apologize.

"I readily admit that I made a huge mistake agreeing to that bet. I'm a UofA alum (class of '99) and love the Cats. I should know better than to antagonize the team or their fans. I get carried away sometimes. I'll learn from this experience and keep it in check moving forward. I feel terrible about this and do apologize."

I'm sorry to anyone I may've offended. I've followed this thread and now wonder if I should seek psychological counseling or something. It's a serious subject, and I do appreciate the concern, if that's what it is.

Lastly, I just want to express heartfelt, unwavering support for the UofA. I love the school, its teams, and its community. It's an exciting time to be a UofA fan, and like all of you, I can't wait for March.

Bear Down!

I am good with this although I think a regular season ban might he good. He could come back for the PAC tourney.

I do appreciate his apology and I know I would miss this board if I lost my privilege to post

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:08 pm

Alieberman wrote:I say let him stay. I never voted before. There are some serious things to get upset with in this world today... crappy message board posters isn't high on my list

I don't disagree with that. But what you say and what you post matter. If not this might as well be a Trump campaign. There has to be accountability otherwise this becomes just another crappy message board.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:09 pm

Longhorned wrote:Would there be widespread objection to allowing Beachcat to come to his own decision about what kind of self-ban to impose (if any) in lieu of his earlier decision to leave the board permanently?

I object. He trolled the whole community. He bet the whole community. He then welched on that bet and called the whole community a bunch of ten-year-olds. Just because he went through withdrawal and knows he has to seem contrite doesn't seem like nearly what should be coming to him.

Ban until the end of the season.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:11 pm

Needs to be a ban until the day after the ncaa title game.

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:31 pm

I'm on board with chi and choo. He made his bed..he at least needs to nap in it. We should welcome him back on April 4th. If we make the final 4, let him back early, so that all of us cats fans (even obnoxious message board posters...bad ones) will be able to share the moment.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:48 pm

Longhorned wrote:Seems kind of messy to have individual votes for different outcomes. Would there be widespread objection to allowing Beachcat to come to his own decision about what kind of self-ban to impose (if any) in lieu of his earlier decision to leave the board permanently? It was, after all, his voluntary decision, and the only talk of board-based ban came about after his ignoring of the issue, which his recent posts seem to correct.

As I've posted, I care less about his past than I do his future. If he gives thoughtful, non-trolling posts, that is more worthwhile than any punishment, self imposed or otherwise. If he reverts to what caused these issues, that eliminates any need to forgive and forget.

ANGCatFan · Post by **ANGCatFan** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:56 pm

I agreed with a ban until after the season on page 1. No need to put a date on it. Ever the optimist, I don't want Beachcat back until after the championship celebrations are done in Tucson.

1stNGrant Frys · Post by **1stNGrant Frys** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:38 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: I know you'd all rather be discussing other things.

not really

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:58 pm

The bet was really stupid and impulsive. First time I've ever taken a "board bet," and it'll also be the last. I do apologize for it and hope most of you, like Spiff, can focus on the future not the past. From here on out, I'll be following the examples of the many excellent posters here, and not trolling or doing the things that got me into this spot. I love this site (obviously) and forum and want to be a part of it over these next few months as we chase a national title. Stupidly, I should've thought about that before I made the bet.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:22 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:The bet was really stupid and impulsive. First time I've ever taken a "board bet," and it'll also be the last. I do apologize for it and hope most of you, like Spiff, can focus on the future not the past. From here on out, I'll be following the examples of the many excellent posters here, and not trolling or doing the things that got me into this spot. I love this site (obviously) and forum and want to be a part of it over these next few months as we chase a national title. Stupidly, I should've thought about that before I made the bet.

How are you posting?

Look - I can't stand you as a poster. But I voted to have you reinstated at the end of the season.... but after reading your post above, I have changed my mind. (not that it matters)

The part in bold above is a flat-out fucking lie. You made the EXACT same bet previously - that if you lost you would leave the site... I believe 2 years ago. I don't recall what it was over, but I am sure someone could scrub the archives and find out.

Regardless... UCLA and UO were both going 17-1 in Conference. Definitively - right BeachCat?

Don't go to Vegas...

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:25 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:The bet was really stupid and impulsive. First time I've ever taken a "board bet," and it'll also be the last. I do apologize for it and hope most of you, like Spiff, can focus on the future not the past. From here on out, I'll be following the examples of the many excellent posters here, and not trolling or doing the things that got me into this spot. I love this site (obviously) and forum and want to be a part of it over these next few months as we chase a national title. Stupidly, I should've thought about that before I made the bet.
The part in bold above is a flat-out fucking lie. You made the EXACT same bet previously - that if you lost you would leave the site... I believe 2 years ago. I don't recall what it was over, but I am sure someone could scrub the archives and find out.

I have no recollection of this. But I believe you and certainly regret it if I did this in the past.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:38 pm

Hows UCLA looking now Beachcat?

#papertigers.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:46 am

Ban from the UA hoops board only till after the NCAA championship game.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:45 am

Puerco wrote:Ban from the UA hoops board only till after the NCAA championship game.

Agreed. And we'll reinstate the ban until we come to some other consensus or solution. BC got his chance to state his case, now it's up to the community.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:00 am

Chicat wrote:
Puerco wrote:Ban from the UA hoops board only till after the NCAA championship game.
Agreed. And we'll reinstate the ban until we come to some other consensus or solution. BC got his chance to state his case, now it's up to the community.

Add some karma into the mix.

...only after the Arizona NCAA championship game.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:20 am

Chicat wrote:
Puerco wrote:Ban from the UA hoops board only till after the NCAA championship game.
Agreed. And we'll reinstate the ban until we come to some other consensus or solution. BC got his chance to state his case, now it's up to the community.

Makes sense procedurally. There's a majority vote to ban. Had Beachcat voluntarily proposed a self-ban until after the tourney, for example, there would be something to work with his earlier agreement to leave the board and the majority sentiment that he honor his word. But he proposes to return immediately. So what we could do after the tourney is hold a vote to reinstate.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:32 am

Personally, I'm with Alieberman. I think posters should be accountable to themselves. If someone goes back on his word, he incurs de facto consequences. I don't want to vote for de juris consequences. I'd say leave it up to the poster. But a vote is a vote, and co-ops honor votes.

walk-on-wildcat · Post by **walk-on-wildcat** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:17 am

What's wrong with speaking your mind? I do it and sometimes it gets me in trouble. It's only human nature.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:18 am

walk-on-wildcat wrote:What's wrong with speaking your mind? I do it and sometimes it gets me in trouble. It's only human nature.

It's not about speaking your mind. He made a bet with the board and refused to pay up. Whether he's a shitty poster or not is a secondary issue.

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