Who's staying? Who's going?

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:25 am

Joe Pasternack leaving Wildcats to be head coach at UC Santa Barbara

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball ... recruiting" target="_blank

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:09 am

Lead recruiter for Ira Lee, Alex Barcello and Emmanuel Akot. Do they waiver?

In any event, congrats.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:17 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:Awfully close to April 1...If Lauri doesn't hire an agent in the next 2 days I bet theres a press conference to announce he's coming back

Too soon?
April 1 is the day Paulo Cruz declares for the NBA, and Lauri won't want to steal his thunder.

Sidd Finch is the kid we need to look at. Grad transfer from the Flushing Meadows area. Get on it, Book!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:18 am

Pop McKale wrote:
rgdeuce wrote: There is no perfect scenario. 3 years is too much without the options you proposed. 2 years may be a fair balance, but its not completely necessary IMO and even then, you may be pushing some more to Europe. At least with 1, we get to see the best compete against great comp once or twice a week on TV if you have the sports package on cable. You get to see the next Lebron James or Kobe Bryant actually play in March Madness games. Id rather have that than deal with what baseball does, where most of the elite talent is not going to play in the NCAA. Why would they? NCAA baseball loses a ton of talent to JUCO and guys being drafted out of HS. Generally speaking, baseball is a white, middle to upper middle class game in America. Most stars in the NBA do not fall within the same demographics. You dangle a $50,000 signing bonus in front of a kid from a poor urban neighborhood, what you think is going to happen? $50,000 to someone who has nothing is not the same as Blake, whose parents live in a $300,000 house in a nice neighborhood, whose dad has business ties so if baseball falls through, he still has his UCLA degree and can hit the ground running. IMO, this is blatantly setting up young urban blacks up to fail and would only lead to even more exploitation. Minor league baseball is cut throat. There are no guaranteed contracts and they can give you your walking papers at any time. Its bad for the kids and bad for the fans.
First, have to say I love your posts and your perspective.

Not sure I understand why adding a year to the college commitment or just letting kids go direct from HS is so much worse and why the OAD rule is the best compromise. Without making this a huge socio-economic debate, many young urban blacks are already set up to fail in far more serious ways. So, I can't make that leap with you. Besides, most of these kids have someone or many someones in their ear from age...what?...5? 8? 10? saying they can be like Mike. A lot may have the best of intentions, many may just be gravy-training. Has nothing to do with NCAA or NBA policy. The percentages are what they are for all professional sports. Your odds are slim. Really slim. Who is telling them this while also encouraging them to get jobs, stay in school, get good grades, etc.? That said, there's absolutely exploitation going on from both sides. I'm pretty fatigued by it. Maybe numb is a better adjective. Those feel-good chest-thumping NCAA ads about student athletes going professional in something besides sports? Let's have a little honesty and show the kids who are lining up the hats on the table or shedding 3 different jerseys and making a general self-indulgent spectacle of themselves and their "commitments". Meanwhile, I'll take a lower standard of play any day with kids who want to be in school, want to play college ball, and are serious about getting degrees. I love college sports above all others. I enjoy getting to know these kids beyond their exploits on the court 30-35 days in the fall/winter. One thing I like about Miller is he has a knack for assembling teams full of genuinely good dudes. I love seeing them develop from year to year under a coach I really admire and appreciate. I have zero interest in salary caps, constantly changing rosters, trade demands, or gauging the NBA prospects of our incoming classes year after year before they've even checked into their dorms at UofA.

Your previous post talks about the minor league system and how much more the NBA would have to add to have anything remotely close to a farm system. Well, OK. They seem to be doing pretty f'ing well as far as revenue is concerned, so get to work! To be clear, I don't blame any player for leaving early and I'll cheer like hell for them while they're in our godawful unis. If they can get paid to play ball then go for it. I just want the charade to end and the system to be radically changed as gumby suggests.

Love ya, Pop!

Said it well.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:19 am

HiCat wrote:Joe Pasternack leaving Wildcats to be head coach at UC Santa Barbara

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball ... recruiting" target="_blank

Congratulations Coach!

So far that's the worst news of the off season. Hopefully we ca fill his void quickly.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:53 am

Congrats to Pasternack. Certainly will have hard work ahead of him at that school, but I'd wager he'll be up to the task.

Jwsisliving · Post by **Jwsisliving** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:06 pm

gumby wrote:Lead recruiter for Ira Lee, Alex Barcello and Emmanuel Akot. Do they waiver?

In any event, congrats.

As long as Miller is still coaching here and we are still the U of A, do you really think they would back out because an assistant got his shot at coaching a mid-major (something that I don't believe is all that uncommon)

who knows, it could happen, but i'm not too worried. seems like a stretch

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:26 am

My doc recommends stretching. I don't mean they go to Santa Barbara, but another school that says stuff like, "We're Arizona!"

Imagine it's a bit jarring to have the guy you built the relationship with suddenly leave. Probably won't happen, but if the commitment was a close call ...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:32 am

Barcello, Lee, Akot didn't commit for Joe. He didn't hurt, but they committed because they wanted to go to Arizona.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:18 am

Then who needs him ...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:37 am

I feel like recruits reconsidering when their recruiter takes a different job happens way more often in football than basketball.

CatMG · Post by **CatMG** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:51 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Barcello, Lee, Akot didn't commit for Joe. He didn't hurt, but they committed because they wanted to go to Arizona.

And my guess, part of the sales pitch was selling them on Miller as the coach.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:14 am

Lorenzo...you complete us...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:25 am

Chicat wrote:I feel like recruits reconsidering when their recruiter takes a different job happens way more often in football than basketball.

That's predominantly due to the fact head bball coaches are more involved with recruiting and building relationships than head football coaches are, that has pretty much every thing to do with how many recruits you're after in a cycle of course. Sean Miller of course is involved, especially when he has decided to specifically target a guy. In certain instances like Lute towards the end, he wasn't involved in recruiting much at all, and he let namely Pastner choose who to prioritize and let them build the relationships solely pretty much. Obviously there were reasons for Lute's laid back stance on recruiting toward the end and why most basketball coaches are not that way and can not afford to be that way.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:49 pm

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:53 pm

The other shoe drops

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:35 pm

elriop20 · Post by **elriop20** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:50 pm

Main Event wrote:

Someone explain this to me.

He isn't ready for the NBA and his play time is only going to increase here. If he was a 3-4 year player he could play his way into a long term NBA career.

He's just throwing away his future.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:59 pm

elriop20 wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Someone explain this to me.

He isn't ready for the NBA and his play time is only going to increase here. If he was a 3-4 year player he could play his way into a long term NBA career.

He's just throwing away his future.

He doesn't want to be in college. His PT isn't increasing unless Trier leaves and Bowen doesn't come.

You can play your way into the NBA in places other than college. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Best of luck to him.

I get a distinct feeling both parties have moved on.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:01 pm

Kobi and his handlers/family never EVER expected him to stay more than 1 year in college. Ever.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:23 pm

elriop20 wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Someone explain this to me.

He isn't ready for the NBA and his play time is only going to increase here. If he was a 3-4 year player he could play his way into a long term NBA career.

He's just throwing away his future.

He disagrees.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:53 pm

Academic issues? Choo said he would probably be ineligible if he stayed

stupid stupid stupid

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:04 pm

Chief,

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:09 pm

Jefe wrote:Academic issues? Choo said he would probably be ineligible if he stayed

stupid stupid stupid

Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:12 pm

EVCat wrote:
Jefe wrote:Academic issues? Choo said he would probably be ineligible if he stayed

stupid stupid stupid
Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.

Bingo.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:15 pm

Comanche may not be a smart "declare and get info" move. This may very well be another Grant Jerrett situation and if that's the case there is something wrong with the culture of our program or at the very least the players we target. UNC just won the title with a 5 star senior at the 4 and a 4 star senior at the 5, yet we may possibly lose a 4 star sophomore who came off the bench? GARBAGE.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:15 pm

Chance Comanche ... didn't see that coming.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:16 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Comanche may not be a smart "declare and get info" move. This may very well be another Grant Jerrett situation and if that's the case there is something wrong with the culture of our program or at the very least the players we target. UNC just won the title with a 5 star senior at the 4 and a 4 star senior at the 5, yet we may possibly lose a 4 star sophomore who came off the bench? GARBAGE.

Gut feeling we're losing him, need to go after McCoy hard.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:16 pm

NYCat wrote:Chief,

Dear NBA Waters,

Be brutally honest with him.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:18 pm

NYCat wrote:Chief,

If he can't defend the basket in college, how can he do it in the league?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:18 pm

NYCat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Comanche may not be a smart "declare and get info" move. This may very well be another Grant Jerrett situation and if that's the case there is something wrong with the culture of our program or at the very least the players we target. UNC just won the title with a 5 star senior at the 4 and a 4 star senior at the 5, yet we may possibly lose a 4 star sophomore who came off the bench? GARBAGE.
Gut feeling we're losing him, need to go after McCoy hard.

He's not coming.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:23 pm

EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.

Woh. How do you stop going to class and stay eligible for 2-3 months?

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:23 pm

Jeter?

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:24 pm

If I had to guess, it's playing time. And declaring for the NBA is faster than transferring.

Looks like we should look at a transfer and pickup Jeter

But come on, chance couldn't beat out effing Ristic

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:25 pm

Jeter has to sit out a year

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:27 pm

Jefe wrote:
EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.
Woh. How do you stop going to class and stay eligible for 2-3 months?

Was wondering the same thing, this has to hurt the APR for the team. Fortunately Denny was a scholarship player last season and was all academic at his last conference, so his grades should help.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:28 pm

Jefe wrote:
EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.
Woh. How do you stop going to class and stay eligible for 2-3 months?

You aren't ineligible until the semester grades come in. So, he has a few weeks to turn it around academically!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:29 pm

NYCat wrote:If I had to guess, it's playing time. And declaring for the NBA is faster than transferring.

Looks like we should look at a transfer and pickup Jeter

But come on, chance couldn't beat out effing Ristic

Fucking irks me to no end. Isaiah Hicks, a 5 star recruit out of HS, played 18 minutes per game as a Junior at UNC, which is the same amount of time Comanche, a 4 star developmental player, played as a Sophomore. Playing time? Fuck off. He will be handed nearly 30 minutes per game as a senior and certainly no less than the 18 he just got last year as a Junior.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:29 pm

Jefe wrote:
EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.
Woh. How do you stop going to class and stay eligible for 2-3 months?

Grades dont post until the class is done

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:30 pm

Good riddance then. We covered his scholarship to sit on the bench and not get an education. Wow

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:43 pm

Kobi officially gone

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:44 pm

Glad he didnt get a presser, didn't deserve one

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:46 pm

ha no presser. No love lost! What a shame

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:47 pm

You guys take this way too personal

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:49 pm

Main Event wrote:You guys take this way too personal

Our tax dollars paid for his wasted scholarship and our after tax dollars were spent on game tickets. Its personal

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:51 pm

Main Event wrote:You guys take this way too personal

Its not personal. If you dont go to class you don't fulfill your end of the deal, so you dont deserve the benefits given to others who do.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:53 pm

Jefe wrote:
Main Event wrote:You guys take this way too personal
Our tax dollars paid for his useless scholarship and our after tax dollar were spent on game tickets. Its personal

Was it useless after the UCLA or Michigan St? You're bitter a kid left your favorite school earlier than you liked. Kobi's not the first kid to stop going to class and won't be the last, get over it.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:56 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Main Event wrote:You guys take this way too personal
Its not personal. If you dont go to class you don't fulfill your end of the deal, so you dont deserve the benefits given to others who do.

The benefits of Joe Message Board wishing you good luck? I doubt he's losing sleep over not getting a presser

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:57 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
NYCat wrote:If I had to guess, it's playing time. And declaring for the NBA is faster than transferring.

Looks like we should look at a transfer and pickup Jeter

But come on, chance couldn't beat out effing Ristic
Fucking irks me to no end. Isaiah Hicks, a 5 star recruit out of HS, played 18 minutes per game as a Junior at UNC, which is the same amount of time Comanche, a 4 star developmental player, played as a Sophomore. Playing time? Fuck off. He will be handed nearly 30 minutes per game as a senior and certainly no less than the 18 he just got last year as a Junior.

Exactly. In what universe does Comanche think he'll get paid to play ball next year? Whoever is advising him is an idiot. And Chance is an idiot if he's advising himself or listening to anyone telling him to go pro. Every UA fan on the planet knows he's crazy for even considering turning pro. I hate this. Why does this stupid stuff happen to Arizona and not other programs?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:59 pm

Main Event wrote:Was it useless after the UCLA or Michigan St? You're bitter a kid left your favorite school earlier than you liked. Kobi's not the first kid to stop going to class and won't be the last, get over it.

You first

Lets be honest, this is much worse than GJ

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