Who's staying? Who's going?

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:02 pm

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#60 Kobi
#73 Kadeem
#78 Rawle
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Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:55 pm

Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:22 pm

If Rawle's back, we certainly have the best backcourt in the Pac, and probably one of the top 5 nationally.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:47 am

You can't have a top back court without a top point guard. We might have a top-5 set of wings, but not back court.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:35 am

Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good

I certainly hope common sense came into play and this is the case. It certainly wasn't just as recent as 3 days ago.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:53 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good
I certainly hope common sense came into play and this is the case. It certainly wasn't just as recent as 3 days ago.

We'll see. It's one reason I keep preaching patience. These are 18-20 year olds. Things certainly can change minute to minute.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:03 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good
I certainly hope common sense came into play and this is the case. It certainly wasn't just as recent as 3 days ago.
We'll see. It's one reason I keep preaching patience. These are 18-20 year olds. Things certainly can change minute to minute.

It's not just the 18-20 year olds that are making this decision though, lots of guiding going on both good and bad. This is really no different than the recruiting game in that regard unfortunately.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:49 am

Nice to see Kadeem get some love

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:09 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good
I certainly hope common sense came into play and this is the case. It certainly wasn't just as recent as 3 days ago.
We'll see. It's one reason I keep preaching patience. These are 18-20 year olds. Things certainly can change minute to minute.

This. Which is why I keep saying the insiders have, no doubt, access, but they only have access to whatever the kid is feeling at that moment or wants the insider to know. Unlike recruiting, where there is history to evaluate, and ongoing visits and contacts to assemble to make an educated assertion, there is no such thing as solid information in this situation until a decision is made, because you can't report a decision that has not been made. "Leaning" isn't committing, which is why the insider stuff for the kids who are in this limbo is useless unless you have real information like "we have learned Rawle Alkins has made a call to agent Joe Smith with the intent of signing tomorrow."

Short of that...the "insider" information is just closely sourced speculation

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:23 am

EVCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good
I certainly hope common sense came into play and this is the case. It certainly wasn't just as recent as 3 days ago.
We'll see. It's one reason I keep preaching patience. These are 18-20 year olds. Things certainly can change minute to minute.
This. Which is why I keep saying the insiders have, no doubt, access, but they only have access to whatever the kid is feeling at that moment or wants the insider to know. Unlike recruiting, where there is history to evaluate, and ongoing visits and contacts to assemble to make an educated assertion, there is no such thing as solid information in this situation until a decision is made, because you can't report a decision that has not been made. "Leaning" isn't committing, which is why the insider stuff for the kids who are in this limbo is useless unless you have real information like "we have learned Rawle Alkins has made a call to agent Joe Smith with the intent of signing tomorrow."

Short of that...the "insider" information is just closely sourced speculation

Agreed, although the only thing that gives me pause this year as opposed to other years is the introduction of two-way contracts and more open slots than normal. It adds something else to this that usually isn't there, hence why a guy like Rawle or Chance who would most likely return based on their prospects were even leaning to stay in from the get go.

Either way that's very welcoming news about Rawle and let's hope he continues to see the light.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:39 am

EVCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good
I certainly hope common sense came into play and this is the case. It certainly wasn't just as recent as 3 days ago.
We'll see. It's one reason I keep preaching patience. These are 18-20 year olds. Things certainly can change minute to minute.
This. Which is why I keep saying the insiders have, no doubt, access, but they only have access to whatever the kid is feeling at that moment or wants the insider to know. Unlike recruiting, where there is history to evaluate, and ongoing visits and contacts to assemble to make an educated assertion, there is no such thing as solid information in this situation until a decision is made, because you can't report a decision that has not been made. "Leaning" isn't committing, which is why the insider stuff for the kids who are in this limbo is useless unless you have real information like "we have learned Rawle Alkins has made a call to agent Joe Smith with the intent of signing tomorrow."

Short of that...the "insider" information is just closely sourced speculation

Yeah, that's what I had been trying to say a bit back. This is (likely) not a situation where the decision is done and inside sources know more than us normies. He may be leaning some, but until/unless it goes final, things can change.

I'm sure Miller and Romar are re-recruiting, his friends and family are talking to him and hopefully he is getting NBA feedback too. When he gets an agent or withdraws, it's done. Until then, it may be a lean, but it will be final when it is final.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:47 am

Puerco wrote:You can't have a top back court without a top point guard. We might have a top-5 set of wings, but not back court.

PJC may never be a top PG, but he really grew up last year. I expect this trend to continue and for him to have his best season at AZ as a senior. So PJC plus Rawle, Trier, Randolph, and Barcello...that's a pretty damn good backcourt if you ask me.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:57 pm

Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good

Link?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:14 pm

Should know pretty soon.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:54 pm

Merkin wrote:Should know pretty soon.

They're being sent out today, but unless players put out that info we won't know but if they do we'll know..

Like kuzma from 'tah

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:01 pm

Jefe wrote:
Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good
Link?

Get premium

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:13 pm

Link to premium? Scout?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:21 pm

Jefe wrote:Link to premium? Scout?

Think it was a joke.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:54 pm

I always wondered

I have cash...

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:03 pm

Jefe wrote:I always wondered I have cash...

Send it to me. I'll give you the inside scoop on anything you want to know.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:04 pm

McKale Midwest · Post by **McKale Midwest** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:44 pm

NYCat wrote:

Call me selfish, but I was kinda hoping Rawle wouldn't get invited to the combine...

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:53 pm

Jefe wrote:Link to premium? Scout?

Scheer was alluding to it, I think that's where Main Event got it from.

The combine invite may change everything however.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:30 pm

1. Ecstatic for Kadeem to get an invite
2. Not happy Rawle got one for selfish reasons only of course
3. Cam Johnson visiting next weekend sounds like

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:04 am

ChooChooCat wrote:1. Ecstatic for Kadeem to get an invite
2. Not happy Rawle got one for selfish reasons only of course
3. Cam Johnson visiting next weekend sounds like

3. Along with Chase Jeter.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:09 am

Big weekend

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:24 am

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:16 am

Kobi got invited to the NBA Combine as well per the Star

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:13 am

UAEebs86 wrote:Kobi got invited to the NBA Combine as well per the Star

Good for him, but didn't he already hire an agent? Kobi's done at AZ. Gonna be a while longer before we know about Rawle and Chance.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:18 am

Comanche praying for an invite after the high lotto picks all announce they're skipping the combine.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:31 am

In other news water is wet.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:52 am

ChooChooCat wrote:In other news water is wet.

I mean, so what? Does not getting invited mean a guy will automatically return to school?

az91 · Post by **az91** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:36 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:In other news water is wet.

I mean, so what? Does not getting invited mean a guy will automatically return to school?

No, just that he is unlikely to get drafted. Chance may want to take a chance overseas in Finland or Poland.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:53 pm

There is going to be a second combine hosted by the IMG Academy May 15-17. Not affiliated with the NBA, but pretty big chance for a lot of these guys who dont receive an invite to Chicago.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:32 pm

az91 wrote:
No, just that he is unlikely to get drafted. Chance may want to take a chance overseas in Finland or Poland.

Wow. Didn't realize he's that determined to be done at AZ.

ProfessorFate · Post by **ProfessorFate** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:07 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:In other news water is wet.

I mean, so what? Does not getting invited mean a guy will automatically return to school?

Ever heard of " a closed mouth gathers no feet?". I would have thought your senseless takes would have decreased after your temporary ban.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:05 am

Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good

NBA Combine performance will make or break Arizona's Rawle Alkins

Apr 29, 2017 Updated 13 hrs ago

http://tucson.com/hansen-s-sunday-noteb ... 97343.html" target="_blank

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:49 pm

Go ... break!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon May 01, 2017 12:52 pm

HiCat wrote:
Main Event wrote:Rawle's decision is supposedly back up in there air, which is good
NBA Combine performance will make or break Arizona's Rawle Alkins

Apr 29, 2017 Updated 13 hrs ago

http://tucson.com/hansen-s-sunday-noteb ... 97343.html" target="_blank

Hopefully he gets lots of feedback from teams. Lots.

If he is going to get drafted in a reasonable spot, good for him. I just don't want to see Rawle leave to go UDFA to low level pro forever.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon May 01, 2017 2:01 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: PJC may never be a top PG

correct

Beachcat97 wrote:but he really grew up last year.

he did???

he looked like the same scared, over-matched, outclassed, small, weak, injury prone PG all season and right into conf tournament and the NCAA's to me -- add in easily the worst demeanor and body language of anybody i can remember on the floor in decades and you have what you have...PJC.

Beachcat97 wrote:I expect this trend to continue

i agree, he is the same player hes always been, a back-up who should be utilized as such, backing the starting PG up 10-12mpg max

Beachcat97 wrote:and for him to have his best season at AZ as a senior.

nothing ive seen from Cartwright up to this point gives me confidence that hes a FF caliber player -- nothing

Beachcat97 wrote: So PJC plus Rawle, Trier, Randolph, and Barcello...that's a pretty damn good backcourt if you ask me.

i will remember not to ask you, cause Cartwright is a back-up player at best and Barcello is not a PG

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon May 01, 2017 2:10 pm

PJC, at least all conference honorable mention next year.

Also why hate on a kid who tries his hardest and wants to be there? Why not hate on the coach for not bringing in a better option in your eyes?

TheBlackLodge · Post by **TheBlackLodge** » Mon May 01, 2017 2:35 pm

97cats hate for PJC has definitely jumped the shark when he starts agreeing with BruinCat97.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:21 pm

Whoa, whoa, whoa...PJC played very well in the Pac tourney in wins vs. UCLA and Oregon. TJ McConnell he isn't, nor will ever be, but it's impossible to deny that he made strides in the second half of the season.

Would he take a seat immediately if Duval came to AZ? Of course. But I still like our group of guards for next season. This assumes Rawle is back. If he leaves, and no other guards are added, that's a problem.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:25 pm

PHXCATS wrote:PJC, at least all conference honorable mention next year.

i 100% disagree with this -- but even so, why is a senior PG who is honorable mention good enough at Arizona?

sound like more first a second weekend exits to me...

PHXCATS wrote:Also why hate on a kid who tries his hardest and wants to be there?

its not hate, this isn't AYSO, everyone doesn't get a god damn participation trophy or ribbon, im telling it like it is -- Cartwright has no business being the starting PG playing 25+mpg during the season and 30+mpg in March at a program like Arizona.

none - zilch - nadda

PHXCATS wrote:Why not hate on the coach for not bringing in a better option in your eyes?

which is exactly what i have done since the end of Cartwright's Soph season -- 100% its not the kids fault and 100% the coaches fault (Sean Miler) not only for putting a kid in a position he wont be successful but also compromising what is a Final Four roster around him by having said player man the most important position on the floor.

its a crying shame that next season Arizona and one Sean Miller has put all their eggs (barring something totally unforeseen) in the Cartwright and freshman combo guard basket at PG.

its not a recipe for the Final Four

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:30 pm

TheBlackLodge wrote:97cats hate for PJC has definitely jumped the shark when he starts agreeing with BruinCat97.

you need to re-read -- i didnt agree with him

maybe you did -- well good for you.

and for the 1000th time, its not hate -- its reality.

go stick your head in the sand and ignore the problem, but if nothing changes at PG for Arizona we will be back in the same spot the third weekend in March of '18, bummed out buy the same shit, and you and the other ostriches can make up some more excuses why Arizona didnt advance to San Antonio.

and just like this year, i will be nowhere to be found to say i told you so, cause im telling you right here AGAIN, 10 and a half months in advance.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:31 pm

I've been advocating for a grad transfer PG for months now and for good reason, yet not even a single rumor or blip that we're looking that route at all. Sigh.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:38 pm

97cats wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:PJC, at least all conference honorable mention next year.
i 100% disagree with this -- but even so, why is a senior PG who is honorable mention good enough at Arizona?

sound like more first a second weekend exits to me...

PHXCATS wrote:Also why hate on a kid who tries his hardest and wants to be there?
its not hate, this isn't AYSO, everyone doesn't get a god damn participation trophy or ribbon, im telling it like it is -- Cartwright has no business being the starting PG playing 25+mpg during the season and 30+mpg in March at a program like Arizona.

none - zilch - nadda

PHXCATS wrote:Why not hate on the coach for not bringing in a better option in your eyes?
which is exactly what i have done since the end of Cartwright's Soph season -- 100% its not the kids fault and 100% the coaches fault (Sean Miler) not only for putting a kid in a position he wont be successful but also compromising what is a Final Four roster around him by having said player man the most important position on the floor.

its a crying shame that next season Arizona and one Sean Miller has put all their eggs (barring something totally unforeseen) in the Cartwright and freshman combo guard basket at PG.

its not a recipe for the Final Four

Who does deserve minutes on the roster at point?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:40 pm

97cats wrote:
TheBlackLodge wrote:97cats hate for PJC has definitely jumped the shark when he starts agreeing with BruinCat97.
you need to re-read -- i didnt agree with him

maybe you did -- well good for you.

and for the 1000th time, its not hate -- its reality.

go stick your head in the sand and ignore the problem, but if nothing changes at PG for Arizona we will be back in the same spot the third weekend in March of '18, bummed out buy the same shit, and you and the other ostriches can make up some more excuses why Arizona didnt advance to San Antonio.

and just like this year, i will be nowhere to be found to say i told you so, cause im telling you right here AGAIN, 10 and a half months in advance.

97, I'm assuming, then, that you don't see our '17 class as strong enough to compensate for other weaknesses in the team, particularly at PG.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:43 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa...PJC played very well in the Pac tourney in wins vs. UCLA and Oregon. TJ McConnell he isn't, nor will ever be, but it's impossible to deny that he made strides in the second half of the season.

Would he take a seat immediately if Duval came to AZ? Of course. But I still like our group of guards for next season. This assumes Rawle is back. If he leaves, and no other guards are added, that's a problem.

Team definitely has Elite Eight potential

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:43 pm

PHXCATS wrote: Who does deserve minutes on the roster at point?

Cartwright is the only PG on the roster -- what a fucking joke that is.

you have the #1 player in the country coming and an all around top five class with a returning All-American caliber player and a few young studs and Cartwright is all you have at point.

its maddening and all Sean Miler's fault

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