2016 NBA Draft

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:59 pm

The Suns take Dragan Bender, Croatia.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:34 pm

As expected. And terrible

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:34 pm

And traded up for Chriss.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:46 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:And traded up for Chriss.

Interesting trade. My guess is I'd rather have Chriss than whoever they pick up at 13 and 28.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:15 pm

Suns going for that all-Kentucky backcourt by drafting Tyler Ulis.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:40 am

The sounds actually had a decent draft

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:03 am

SCCats wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:And traded up for Chriss.
Interesting trade. My guess is I'd rather have Chriss than whoever they pick up at 13 and 28.

They should've stayed put and picked Ellenson at 13. Pick a stash away player at 28 and stereotypical Kentucky guard in the 2nd round.

I'm not a fan of the Suns draft at all personally.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:02 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:And traded up for Chriss.
Interesting trade. My guess is I'd rather have Chriss than whoever they pick up at 13 and 28.
They should've stayed put and picked Ellenson at 13. Pick a stash away player at 28 and stereotypical Kentucky guard in the 2nd round.

I'm not a fan of the Suns draft at all personally.

Eh, there are two ways to improve...

Both require taking high upside talent.

I liked Dunn the best of who was available.

After, I liked Bender for upside, and Chriss for intrigue. They doubled down. If one hits and the other misses, so what. If they both miss, you suck all the same and get similar positions in better drafts next year and the year after.

Even if both succeed, they will need a bit of time, so their draft pick next year holds promise.

And Ulis is smart because he's good friends with Booker, and he's a Speedy Claxton type of undersized guard. Quick, smart, good vision, and has just enough skills to both you in short burts.

I'd give this draft a B+.

A if they had been able to trade Knight for an extra pick to select a wing to replace Bogdan.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:53 am

JMarkJohns wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
UAEebs86 wrote:And traded up for Chriss.
Interesting trade. My guess is I'd rather have Chriss than whoever they pick up at 13 and 28.
They should've stayed put and picked Ellenson at 13. Pick a stash away player at 28 and stereotypical Kentucky guard in the 2nd round.

I'm not a fan of the Suns draft at all personally.
Eh, there are two ways to improve...

Both require taking high upside talent.

I liked Dunn the best of who was available.

After, I liked Bender for upside, and Chriss for intrigue. They doubled down. If one hits and the other misses, so what. If they both miss, you suck all the same and get similar positions in better drafts next year and the year after.

Even if both succeed, they will need a bit of time, so their draft pick next year holds promise.

And Ulis is smart because he's good friends with Booker, and he's a Speedy Claxton type of undersized guard. Quick, smart, good vision, and has just enough skills to both you in short burts.

I'd give this draft a B+.

A if they had been able to trade Knight for an extra pick to select a wing to replace Bogdan.

As usual you put it all into context. I'm just a believer of picking the best player possible and not picking Dunn pissed me off. I get the line of thought, take two high upside guys, if they work out awesome, if not then you're in this position again the next two years to improve more. I did like the Ullis pick more than the first two for the Booker connection and I think he's honestly the best actual point guard on the roster now, although he obviously won't start. We need to ship off Brandon Knight for a box of donuts or best offer ASAP.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:19 am

My idea draft was Dunn at 4, trade back in for Bender, and some sort of draft/stash wing in 2nd.

But this is probably as good as was likely considering the cluster of guards.

I had hoped Knight would be heading to Sacramento with 13/28 and the Suns get 8 and keep Bogdan.

That would have been perfect.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:00 pm

JMarkJohns wrote:My idea draft was Dunn at 4, trade back in for Bender, and some sort of draft/stash wing in 2nd.

But this is probably as good as was likely considering the cluster of guards.

I had hoped Knight would be heading to Sacramento with 13/28 and the Suns get 8 and keep Bogdan.

That would have been perfect.

Amen on the Knight tidbit. No one wants him for that salary I'm sure.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:29 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
JMarkJohns wrote:My idea draft was Dunn at 4, trade back in for Bender, and some sort of draft/stash wing in 2nd.

But this is probably as good as was likely considering the cluster of guards.

I had hoped Knight would be heading to Sacramento with 13/28 and the Suns get 8 and keep Bogdan.

That would have been perfect.
Amen on the Knight tidbit. No one wants him for that salary I'm sure.

In a year he will be a value.

Parsons is asking for the MAX. Salaries are going to explode.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:50 pm

I don't watch the NBA like some here but I thought Butler was pretty good? WTF

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:14 pm

84Cat wrote:I don't watch the NBA like some here but I thought Butler was pretty good? WTF

Butler is really good. The Wolves are loaded. The Bulls are just dumping at this point. Lavine and Dunn are young and they can get a very solid talent at #7. Hopefully Lauri doesn't have to go to that messed up organization, though.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:16 pm

Lavine and Wiggins can't play together

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:19 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Lavine and Wiggins can't play together

Lavine and Wiggins weren't much on D, but Butler can be a very good defender. Rubio, Butler, Wiggins and KAT are 4/5 of a contender.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:23 pm

All right Lauri to the Bulls!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:26 pm

Alieberman wrote:All right Lauri to the Bulls!

Poor Lauri. Chicago is a mess right now.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:28 pm

Lauri getting ripped on twitter. Can't wait til he proves them wrong.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:55 pm

Isn't it 2017?

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:01 pm

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:25 pm

2-0-1-7

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:00 pm

Thunder just wasted their pick on some nobody from oversees.... Terrance Ferguson I think his name is?

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:13 pm

Rabb in the 2nd round to the Magic

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:15 pm

84Cat wrote:Rabb in the 2nd round to the Magic

2nd round and all the way on the other side of the country

But at least he got to build something

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:49 pm

ike anigbogu #47. I thought he was projected in the 1st round.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:51 pm

Jordan Bell #38
Tyler Dorsey #41
Dillon Brooks #45

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:08 pm

Allen #53 to the Celtics! Yay Kadeem!

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:08 pm

LETS GO DEEM!!!

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:11 pm

84Cat wrote:Jordan Bell #38
Tyler Dorsey #41
Dillon Brooks #45

They're recruiting the right kind of guys for the college game (particularly so in Bell and Brooks)

Which is (often) a different kind of guy than one that will be drafted high

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:19 pm

Allen was drafted? How great is that!. Another example of being patient and honoring the process.

Glad he got drafted ahead of Kobi and Chance. He and Sol Hill are two of my favorite cats

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:20 pm

Is Simmons still on the board?

Wheres Comanche?

Wtg Kadeem! My man!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:27 pm

Sac had a decent 1st round, de'aaron fox and justin Jackson.

Too bad they are a grave yard of talent.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:17 pm

84Cat wrote:ike anigbogu #47. I thought he was projected in the 1st round.

People are concerned he has Greg Oden knees

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:41 am

SCCats wrote:
84Cat wrote:Jordan Bell #38
Tyler Dorsey #41
Dillon Brooks #45
They're recruiting the right kind of guys for the college game (particularly so in Bell and Brooks)

Which is (often) a different kind of guy than one that will be drafted high

Eh, a huge part is the amount of depth in this draft. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say people in the second round were going 10-15 picks after where they would go in a normal class. Look at guys like Thomas Bryant too. This draft had a glut of talent, and a lot of the guys in the 30's and 40's would have been first rounders in a normal draft.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:53 am

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:51 pm

So how much did it cost Ivan Rabb to go back to Berkley last year instead of going lottery after his freshman year? Coach Martin, where are you?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:06 pm

He choose Cal for reasons, mostly because it was close. Kids make bad decisions in the schools they play for and find themselves out of basketball soon enough

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:16 pm

Agreed but wasn't he projected as a lottery guy after his freshman year. If true he cost himself a ton of dough and I thought it was Martin who sold him on having more around him so it would improve his stock?

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:59 pm

azcat49 wrote:Agreed but wasn't he projected as a lottery guy after his freshman year. If true he cost himself a ton of dough and I thought it was Martin who sold him on having more around him so it would improve his stock?

Martin is a snake oil salesman who bilks you out of money "because you have to want to be healthy for your family" (stay close to home) and "next bottle will strengthen the previous bottle" (come back for second year) and before you know it you're worse for ever listening and he's gone to his next victim'd town (program).

Such a shame.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:57 pm

azcat49 wrote:Agreed but wasn't he projected as a lottery guy after his freshman year. If true he cost himself a ton of dough and I thought it was Martin who sold him on having more around him so it would improve his stock?

It's why I always add notes of caution about the rhetoric about returning. It is not the surefire ticket to better pro prospects that people make it out to be. Rabb was not bad in his sophomore year, but the outcome killed his draft stock.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:59 am

I watched Cal probably five times last year and he wasn't properly used in any of them.

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