2017-2018 Arizona Basketball

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:56 am

I wouldn't trade AT, RA, and DA for any other trio of players in the nation.

SirClinks · Post by **SirClinks** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:22 am

Im really excited to see a sophmore Rawle. He is going to be a beast on both ends of the court.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:45 am

What you gonna do when he says goodbye?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:55 am

UAEebs86 wrote:What you gonna do when he says goodbye?

There goes next year's chances of a final 4.

Bear Down Vegas · Post by **Bear Down Vegas** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:11 pm

Cal Poly is an excellent school - in maybe my favorite part of California. That's saying something. Good for him.

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:11 am

UAEebs86 wrote:What you gonna do when he says goodbye?

Whatcha gonna do when he is gone?

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:09 pm

Arizona basketball: First look at Wildcats’ 2017 freshman class

We got a taste of what the new guys look like in the proper threads
by Ryan Kelapire@RKelapire Jul 22, 2017, 8:01am PDT

There is a lot of hype surrounding the Arizona Wildcats’ 2017 freshman class, and Friday we got to see the first look of them in red and blue, as the team had its photo day.

Take a look:
https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... -akot-rank" target="_blank

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:30 pm

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:13 am

God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:21 am

ChooChooCat wrote:God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."

That's not how the world of uniforms and recruiting works unfortunately.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:11 am

You need to develop an appreciation of these uniforms, which are better than our previous classic look if you just accept the advantages of one feature:

They have color gradients. That way, you don't have to try to remember how red can gradually change to blue, and you don't have to wait for rain to see rainbows. Plus, the disappearance of the main color at the shoulder and above the knee gives the effect of wearing a barrel around one's middle.

Think about the designer who must have blown the minds of everyone in the office when he came up with the idea.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:15 am

ChooChooCat wrote:God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."

I had the same reaction to the "proper threads" portion of the article above. Those uniforms really suck.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:36 am

ASUHATER! wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."
That's not how the world of uniforms and recruiting works unfortunately.

Tell that to Kentucky, Duke, or UNC.

We weren't exactly suffering in recruiting with our T.J. McConnell era unis to say the least.

Honestly I could give a crap less about our football uniforms as the uniforms reflect the quality of the program, but when you have a high level program with a traditional look that is flawless you don't mess with it for the sake of it.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:02 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."
That's not how the world of uniforms and recruiting works unfortunately.
Tell that to Kentucky, Duke, or UNC.

We weren't exactly suffering in recruiting with our T.J. McConnell era unis to say the least.

Honestly I could give a crap less about our football uniforms as the uniforms reflect the quality of the program, but when you have a high level program with a traditional look that is flawless you don't mess with it for the sake of it.

Kentucky is actually a good example. They've changed over the years, but nothing drastic and generally pretty understated stuff.

The gradient wouldn't be so offensive if red and blue weren't two contrasting primary colors. It isn't like one naturally can fade into another. So, you wind up with the weird, blocky gradient that swings from one extreme to another.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:09 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."
That's not how the world of uniforms and recruiting works unfortunately.
Tell that to Kentucky, Duke, or UNC.

We weren't exactly suffering in recruiting with our T.J. McConnell era unis to say the least.

Honestly I could give a crap less about our football uniforms as the uniforms reflect the quality of the program, but when you have a high level program with a traditional look that is flawless you don't mess with it for the sake of it.

Those schools have won titles and made final fours lately.

Arizona has an amazing basketball program but hasn't done enough to be able to dictate to Nike how things are going to go.

With that said and the awful payouts per year from Nike, Arizona should absolutely consider moving to Under Armor.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:20 am

PHXCATS wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."
That's not how the world of uniforms and recruiting works unfortunately.
Tell that to Kentucky, Duke, or UNC.

We weren't exactly suffering in recruiting with our T.J. McConnell era unis to say the least.

Honestly I could give a crap less about our football uniforms as the uniforms reflect the quality of the program, but when you have a high level program with a traditional look that is flawless you don't mess with it for the sake of it.
Those schools have won titles and made final fours lately.

Arizona has an amazing basketball program but hasn't done enough to be able to dictate to Nike how things are going to go.

With that said and the awful payouts per year from Nike, Arizona should absolutely consider moving to Under Armor.

Spare me the titles and final fours argument. It's a BRAND thing. Arizona is Nike's predominant brand on the west coast unless you consider Gonzaga, whose uniforms haven't been repeatedly messed with for no good reason, their new west coast brand.

As far as UnderArmour goes, Arizona is in a tough spot in that regards. It's predominant rivals on the west coast are UnderArmour and Adidas schools now. To even things in that regard Arizona's hands may be tied to stick with Nike.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:24 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."
That's not how the world of uniforms and recruiting works unfortunately.
Tell that to Kentucky, Duke, or UNC.

We weren't exactly suffering in recruiting with our T.J. McConnell era unis to say the least.

Honestly I could give a crap less about our football uniforms as the uniforms reflect the quality of the program, but when you have a high level program with a traditional look that is flawless you don't mess with it for the sake of it.
Kentucky is actually a good example. They've changed over the years, but nothing drastic and generally pretty understated stuff.

The gradient wouldn't be so offensive if red and blue weren't two contrasting primary colors. It isn't like one naturally can fade into another. So, you wind up with the weird, blocky gradient that swings from one extreme to another.

The gradient is offensive no matter what simply due to the fact it replaced these uniforms, which didn't need to be replaced at all, considering they were active for a total of 2 seasons.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:35 am

How much influence do the coaches have with our uniforms? Maybe fans could get Miller to advocate for more traditional uni's

I'm sure Nike considers Oregon to be there predominant brand on the west coast no matter how you want to spin it

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:45 am

84Cat wrote:How much influence do the coaches have with our uniforms? Maybe fans could get Miller to advocate for more traditional uni's

I'm sure Nike considers Oregon to be there predominant brand on the west coast no matter how you want to spin it

It depends who sells the best for them. I feel pretty confident it sure as hell ain't Oregon.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:50 am

No doubt, looking at UNC, KU, Duke & UK have the best situation. We don't need these "trendy" uni's to get the top recruits.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:51 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:God I despise our uniforms, just absolutely loathe their very existence.

If it ain't fricken broke and as a matter of fact are pure perfection you have zero reason to "fix it."
That's not how the world of uniforms and recruiting works unfortunately.
Tell that to Kentucky, Duke, or UNC.

We weren't exactly suffering in recruiting with our T.J. McConnell era unis to say the least.

Honestly I could give a crap less about our football uniforms as the uniforms reflect the quality of the program, but when you have a high level program with a traditional look that is flawless you don't mess with it for the sake of it.
Those schools have won titles and made final fours lately.

Arizona has an amazing basketball program but hasn't done enough to be able to dictate to Nike how things are going to go.

With that said and the awful payouts per year from Nike, Arizona should absolutely consider moving to Under Armor.
Spare me the titles and final fours argument. It's a BRAND thing. Arizona is Nike's predominant brand on the west coast unless you consider Gonzaga, whose uniforms haven't been repeatedly messed with for no good reason, their new west coast brand.

As far as UnderArmour goes, Arizona is in a tough spot in that regards. It's predominant rivals on the west coast are UnderArmour and Adidas schools now. To even things in that regard Arizona's hands may be tied to stick with Nike.

Such a BRAND that U of A is compensated at the same level per year as Oregon State and below Utah.

Yes currently U of A Basketball is the biggest BRAND west of the Rockies and second biggest overall, but it isn't a big enough one to warrant the prestige of the Kentucky North Carolina Duke Kansas on a national level to where major changes to uniforms besides special games are unacceptable to average college basketball fans like those schools mentioned and USC, Penn State, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan etc in football.

I am flat out embarrassed that U of A has a deal with Nike on par with Oregon State and below Utah. Under Armor would pay at least 5 Million a year to U of A and would be more likely to go back to traditional uniforms for basketball. Twice as much money, good tie in with U of A and UA and everything else UA brings sounds like a win win. Just because asu is with Adidas and UCLA and Utah are UA does not mean that Arizona can't ditch Nike.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:53 am

asu makes almost twice as much as U of A on their apperal contract, awful

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:55 am

Arizona has nobody, but itself and it's lackluster football program and its support to blame for accepting that Nike deal. I will never argue with you about that. Another lasting legacy of the Byrne era.

In regards to ASU, I don't know why Adidas wanted it outside of the size of market maybe, but both Adidas and UA have to grossly overbid to land schools, otherwise most would sign with Nike. There's a reason they only have a small group of schools.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:29 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Arizona has nobody, but itself and it's lackluster football program and its support to blame for accepting that Nike deal. I will never argue with you about that. Another lasting legacy of the Byrne era.

In regards to ASU, I don't know why Adidas wanted it outside of the size of market maybe, but both Adidas and UA have to grossly overbid to land schools, otherwise most would sign with Nike. There's a reason they only have a small group of schools.

UA is getting more and more though.

Nike has the best shoes, I get that also, but at what dollar point does it make sense to switch. When you are Arizona and you make less than Utah or Oregon State, I think it is worth it.

Agree, biggest failure on Byrne's tenure assuming he is all good in the track and field situation is this Nike deal.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:46 am

PHXCATS wrote:asu makes almost twice as much as U of A on their apperal contract, awful

Adidas pays more, because they have to. Phoenix is a larger population, and football is (still) king.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:59 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:asu makes almost twice as much as U of A on their apperal contract, awful
Adidas pays more, because they have to. Phoenix is a larger population, and football is (still) king.

Arizona is a bigger brand in every sport compared to Oregon State except maybe baseball right now, so why does Arizona get the same as Oregon State?

Corvallis metro is 87k people to Tucson's 1 Million. Why not a huge difference then with that logic.

if you are not around the asu campus, the difference between asu and U of A is not big at all in the Phoenix area

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:04 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:asu makes almost twice as much as U of A on their apperal contract, awful
Adidas pays more, because they have to. Phoenix is a larger population, and football is (still) king.

Let me ask you this then since you seem to think Adidas overpaying is a bad thing by the way you say "because they have to". How many less wins would Arizona have in football and basketball the last two years (since the renewal of the Nike deal going into effect) if they had Under Armor and not Nike?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:10 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:asu makes almost twice as much as U of A on their apperal contract, awful
Adidas pays more, because they have to. Phoenix is a larger population, and football is (still) king.
Arizona is a bigger brand in every sport compared to Oregon State except maybe baseball right now, so why does Arizona get the same as Oregon State?

Corvallis metro is 87k people to Tucson's 1 Million. Why not a huge difference then with that logic.

if you are not around the asu campus, the difference between asu and U of A is not big at all in the Phoenix area

He's certainly just pointing out why ASU got paid by Adidas. I think it was a dumb decision for Adidas to even pursue ASU, but market size is why they were targeted. Obviously Adidas wasn't going to pursue Oregon State because they lack a market size, are dwarfed by their rivals in every sport, and aren't worth a large investment.

Honestly Arizona took a damn discount to stick with Nike, I totally agree with you there. I know for a fact that Sean Miller wanted Nike and his influence is probably why we settled among other reasons like the reasons I pointed out.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:46 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:asu makes almost twice as much as U of A on their apperal contract, awful
Adidas pays more, because they have to. Phoenix is a larger population, and football is (still) king.
Arizona is a bigger brand in every sport compared to Oregon State except maybe baseball right now, so why does Arizona get the same as Oregon State?

Corvallis metro is 87k people to Tucson's 1 Million. Why not a huge difference then with that logic.

if you are not around the asu campus, the difference between asu and U of A is not big at all in the Phoenix area
He's certainly just pointing out why ASU got paid by Adidas. I think it was a dumb decision for Adidas to even pursue ASU, but market size is why they were targeted. Obviously Adidas wasn't going to pursue Oregon State because they lack a market size, are dwarfed by their rivals in every sport, and aren't worth a large investment.

Honestly Arizona took a damn discount to stick with Nike, I totally agree with you there. I know for a fact that Sean Miller wanted Nike and his influence is probably why we settled among other reasons like the reasons I pointed out.

For merchandise, selling sidewalk fans is a huge deal. There are a lot more sidewalk fans in Phoenix.

Basketball wise, Nike matters. Shoe companies have influence, and is it a shocker that a lot of our major recruits are out of the Nike system? Ayton, Williams, O'Neal and (maybe) Bol are Cal Supreme Elite in the Nike system. Any coincidence they are our major recruits and targets?

I'm sure that's why Miller wants it. If we switched, would that hamper recruiting? Do I really want to find out?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:55 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:asu makes almost twice as much as U of A on their apperal contract, awful
Adidas pays more, because they have to. Phoenix is a larger population, and football is (still) king.
Arizona is a bigger brand in every sport compared to Oregon State except maybe baseball right now, so why does Arizona get the same as Oregon State?

Corvallis metro is 87k people to Tucson's 1 Million. Why not a huge difference then with that logic.

if you are not around the asu campus, the difference between asu and U of A is not big at all in the Phoenix area

That's a bad comparison.

-Oregon is clearly dominant in that state.
-Oregon and OSU are both Nike.
-Phil Knight is invested in Oregon.

Frankly, Arizona and ASU lack the dominant relationship. We're dominant in basketball. Football-wise, I think most people would rate us lower than ASU.

Look at the # of Nike schools vs Adidas. Adidas was shelling out huge $ for Michigan, and does for other schools. Look at the top ten and how many Adidas schools are there vs overall proportion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... cts-2015-9" target="_blank

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:12 pm

If Miller wants it that is a good enough reason for me.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:00 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: I'm sure that's why Miller wants it. If we switched, would that hamper recruiting? Do I really want to find out?

Lol the 2015 and 2016 classes cracked me up because most of our commits were Adidas or Underarmour guys. Trier was legitimately our only Nike guy out of all the guys in those classes.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:20 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote: I'm sure that's why Miller wants it. If we switched, would that hamper recruiting? Do I really want to find out?
Lol the 2015 and 2016 classes cracked me up because most of our commits were Adidas or Underarmour guys. Trier was legitimately our only Nike guy out of all the guys in those classes.

It seems like there's been a shift. Compton Magic is Adidas, but right around the Leaf decommit, it seemd like things changed.

I'm not super plugged in, but it sure seems like things have gotten more stratified.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:36 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote: I'm sure that's why Miller wants it. If we switched, would that hamper recruiting? Do I really want to find out?
Lol the 2015 and 2016 classes cracked me up because most of our commits were Adidas or Underarmour guys. Trier was legitimately our only Nike guy out of all the guys in those classes.
It seems like there's been a shift. Compton Magic is Adidas, but right around the Leaf decommit, it seemd like things changed.

I'm not super plugged in, but it sure seems like things have gotten more stratified.

Oh you're totally right, things have switched around and Arizona is predominantly landing Nike guys now. It was just an odd period of time where we were still recruiting well, but our guys were coming from other shoe company AAU programs.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:24 pm

I'm so fuckin excited for this season man

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:27 pm

Damn, Chase is tall

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:08 pm

All our incoming guys , save Alex , look like grown men who can play thru contact. This year is gonna be fun.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:18 pm

84Cat wrote:Damn, Chase is tall

PJC is ...... not.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:41 am

4. Ayton
5. Trier
30. Rawle

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:48 am

Chicat wrote:
4. Ayton
5. Trier
30. Rawle

I think Rawle gets underrated. I see him as being close to Trier in terms of his overall production, just maybe not with as gaudy scoring numbers.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:16 am

This comes up every couple years and never quite happens, but 18-0 in the Pac looks attainable.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:18 am

I'd put Zo and Ayton over Diallo but I guess it's hard to complain too much when you have 2 in the top 5

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:28 am

Beachcat97 wrote:This comes up every couple years and never quite happens, but 18-0 in the Pac looks attainable.

I care so much more about a Final Four. So much more.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:49 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:This comes up every couple years and never quite happens, but 18-0 in the Pac looks attainable.
I care so much more about a Final Four. So much more.

That goes without saying. I was just pointing out the great potential of this team.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:55 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:This comes up every couple years and never quite happens, but 18-0 in the Pac looks attainable.
I care so much more about a Final Four. So much more.
That goes without saying. I was just pointing out the great potential of this team.

I've just stopped measuring potential by the Pac. Where we are, it's pretty much that we either finish top two in the Pac or it's a disappointing season.

Miller has proven as many times as he can that he can dominate the Pac. The tourney is the unknown.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:03 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:This comes up every couple years and never quite happens, but 18-0 in the Pac looks attainable.
I care so much more about a Final Four. So much more.
That goes without saying. I was just pointing out the great potential of this team.
I've just stopped measuring potential by the Pac. Where we are, it's pretty much that we either finish top two in the Pac or it's a disappointing season.

Miller has proven as many times as he can that he can dominate the Pac. The tourney is the unknown.

And the biggest crapshoot.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:32 am

Main Event wrote:I'd put Zo and Ayton over Diallo but I guess it's hard to complain too much when you have 2 in the top 5

Hard for me to put a guy who is pretty much an elite athlete and an ok basketball player over two better basketball players. I wouldn't even have Diallo top 15.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:12 am

Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote: I care so much more about a Final Four. So much more.
That goes without saying. I was just pointing out the great potential of this team.
I've just stopped measuring potential by the Pac. Where we are, it's pretty much that we either finish top two in the Pac or it's a disappointing season.

Miller has proven as many times as he can that he can dominate the Pac. The tourney is the unknown.
And the biggest crapshoot.

True. It's the only area where I feel like we have something left to prove, though.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:12 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:This comes up every couple years and never quite happens, but 18-0 in the Pac looks attainable.

Hey beachcat, how's your mom?

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:52 pm

I am not sure what the rules are for broadcasting overseas games but has anyone heard if there will be any sort of webcasts of the games in Spain?

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