Ray Rice

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:30 am

You just cannot make this stuff up:

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:13 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-yahoo ... 5-nfl.html

Roger Goodell, still on fire. The evidence was ambiguous prior to the video from the interior of the elevator.

Kudos to O'Donnell for the Captain Obvious question about what part of dragging an unconscious fiance out an elevator is ambiguous. As the article notes, the criminal complaint said he punched her, so...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:22 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-yahoo ... 5-nfl.html

Roger Goodell, still on fire. The evidence was ambiguous prior to the video from the interior of the elevator.

Kudos to O'Donnell for the Captain Obvious question about what part of dragging an unconscious fiance out an elevator is ambiguous. As the article notes, the criminal complaint said he punched her, so...

That's just pure bullshit Roger.

http://deadspin.com/report-nfl-had-copy ... socialflow

A law enforcement official says he sent a video of Ray Rice punching his then-fiancee to an NFL executive three months ago, while league officers have insisted they didn't see the violent images until this week.

The person played The Associated Press a 12-second voicemail from an NFL office number on April 9 confirming the video arrived. A female voice expresses thanks and says: "You're right. It's terrible."

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:24 pm

that's not good for Roger the dodger, or the exec who's going to be thrown under the bus.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:36 pm

It's sad for me because of my extreme dislike for Roger Goodell, but I'm sure he'll chuck someone else under the bus. That said, how moronic is he? You'd need an IQ in single digits not to see how this one was going to turn out when the video broke.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:53 pm

Better find a fall guy

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:05 pm

Somebody in the NFL office is going to get a nice bonus to take the knife for Goodell.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:39 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:Should've been more obviously but at the time the video wasn't out and he was cleared through law enforcement channels. Wasn't a set policy for disciplining abuse either. Goodell fixed the mistake and is one of the best commissioners the sports world has ever seen.

I really hope you were being sarcastic with this post and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

There is no excuse for not demanding that tape. If AP and TMZ could get it, the NFL certainly could. Goodell and the entire front office of the Ravens should have resigned or been fired by now.

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:49 pm

Boom.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:04 pm

Bruins01 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Should've been more obviously but at the time the video wasn't out and he was cleared through law enforcement channels. Wasn't a set policy for disciplining abuse either. Goodell fixed the mistake and is one of the best commissioners the sports world has ever seen.
I really hope you were being sarcastic with this post and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

There is no excuse for not demanding that tape. If AP and TMZ could get it, the NFL certainly could. Goodell and the entire front office of the Ravens should have resigned or been fired by now.

Is the fact they actually got the tape an excuse for not demanding it? It's looking like that's what happened. Maybe that's Goodell's master plan. They can't fault us for not demanding it if we actually got it.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:41 pm

ghostwhitehorse wrote:
Boom.

Maybe their VCR was broken.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:48 pm

I got one at Goodwill for $2 recently

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:24 pm

Man I'd be really pissed at the NFL and the commish If I manged to give two shits about the NFL.

SCCat · Post by **SCCat** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:56 am

Oooooooookkkkkkkk....

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- A New Jersey prosecutor has defended his office's handling of the Ray Rice case and says allowing him into a pretrial intervention program was done after careful consideration.

Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain told the Press of Atlantic City he wanted to clear up misinformation and restore trust in his agency.

He said Rice wouldn't have faced jail time if he had gone to trial on third-degree aggravated assault charges after he punched his then-fiancee and knocked her unconscious.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505 ... -rice-case

So...first, what occurred here was definitely a battery (the actually punching someone) and probably also an assault (creating the apprehension of immediate harm) so I'm somewhat wondering if the prosecutor is getting what he's talking about jumbled up.

Just kind of mind blowing that that kind of battery would be so easily dismissed without the possibility of jail time.

[A quick look at third degree aggravated assault gives this as a theoretical punishment: Conviction of a third degree crime carries a potential prison sentence of at least three years up to five years, and a fine that could be up to $15,000.]

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:03 pm

Pretty hard when the then his then fiance, now wife, wouldn't testify against him.

SCCat · Post by **SCCat** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:07 pm

Merkin wrote:Pretty hard when the then his then fiance, now wife, wouldn't testify against him.

Not really.

When you go to court and all you have to do is prove the crime. You don't need her testimony to do that.

Show video, case over.

The question is, if she chooses not to press charges can the case go forward? My guess is in these kinds of domestic violence situations, there are situations where it can go forward.

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:50 pm

SCCat wrote:
Merkin wrote:Pretty hard when the then his then fiance, now wife, wouldn't testify against him.
Not really.

When you go to court and all you have to do is prove the crime. You don't need her testimony to do that.

Show video, case over.

The question is, if she chooses not to press charges can the case go forward? My guess is in these kinds of domestic violence situations, there are situations where it can go forward.

Prosecutors have learned to keep going with the cases even if the wife won't testify. That was the policy of the City of Tucson when I was involved as a mediator for misdemeanor offenses. It is pretty well known through the cycle of domestic violence that spouses won't testify whether they are afraid or whether they are now in the "honeymoon" period that follows these acts of violence.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:38 pm

Did you need further evidence that Roger Goodell has handled Ray Rice wrong at every turn?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ices-wife/

This is ridiculous.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:35 pm

Bill Polian, saying two opposite things in the same interview after a "technical difficulties" break.

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagre ... 1633593081

Um..?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:35 am

Goodell caught in another lie:

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:11 am

Greg Hardy.................your turn.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:31 am

Merkin wrote:Goodell caught in another lie:

Punched could mean so many things though! Maybe he gave her Hawaiian Punch, she spilled it, slipped on it and bumped her head!

Seriously, **** Goodell. Bill Simmons has a great article on Grantland detailing how tough a question it is as to whether he's just that incompetent or whether this is all intentional.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:32 am

Coop Cat wrote:Greg Hardy.................your turn.

Roger Goodell is so angry at Ray Rice, I bet Hardy gets banned for life.

SCCat · Post by **SCCat** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:58 pm

SCCat wrote:Oooooooookkkkkkkk....

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- A New Jersey prosecutor has defended his office's handling of the Ray Rice case and says allowing him into a pretrial intervention program was done after careful consideration.

Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain told the Press of Atlantic City he wanted to clear up misinformation and restore trust in his agency.

He said Rice wouldn't have faced jail time if he had gone to trial on third-degree aggravated assault charges after he punched his then-fiancee and knocked her unconscious.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11505 ... -rice-case

So...first, what occurred here was definitely a battery (the actually punching someone) and probably also an assault (creating the apprehension of immediate harm) so I'm somewhat wondering if the prosecutor is getting what he's talking about jumbled up.

Just kind of mind blowing that that kind of battery would be so easily dismissed without the possibility of jail time.

[A quick look at third degree aggravated assault gives this as a theoretical punishment: Conviction of a third degree crime carries a potential prison sentence of at least three years up to five years, and a fine that could be up to $15,000.]

So they've generally got pretty good statistics on this kind of stuff so I thought something like this might eventually come out...

TRENTON, N.J. -- The pretrial intervention program offered to Ray Rice in the assault case involving his wife was granted in less than 1 percent of all domestic violence assault cases from 2010-13 that were resolved, according to New Jersey Judiciary data obtained Friday by "Outside the Lines."

Rice and his then-fiancee, Janay Palmer, were arrested on Feb. 15 and charged with simple assault after an incident at an Atlantic City casino. Janay's charges were later dropped, but on March 27, an Atlantic City grand jury increased Rice's assault charge to aggravated assault-bodily injury in the third degree causing bodily harm and one count of simple assault. If convicted of the felony, Rice faced a penalty of three to five years in prison.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... red-rarely

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:24 am

Thursday night football is canceling Rihanna's opening. I guess they don't want people thinking about domestic violence.

WTF?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:50 am

Alieberman wrote:Thursday night football is canceling Rihanna's opening. I guess they don't want people thinking about domestic violence.

WTF?

It isn't a true Roger Goodell move until he replaces her with Chris Brown, then panics in the face of public outcry and suspends Brown until halftime.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:30 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:43 pm

Just heard that on the radio Merk.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:21 pm

And the beat goes on...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:33 pm

Chicat wrote:And the beat goes on...

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:06 pm

If true, the NFL is in dwyer straits...

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:19 pm

Luckily they have a RB on the practice squad...oh wait, never mind:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/h ... /15469869/

"Most troubling, however, is the recent signing of running back Chris Rainey to the practice squad. In 2010, Rainey was dismissed from the University of Florida after he was charged with felony aggravated stalking. In that incident, he allegedly sent a chilling text message to an ex-girlfriend that read, "Time to Die B---- u and ur???"

Rainey eventually rejoined the team, becoming the Gators' ninth-leading rusher all-time. But the Steelers released Rainey in 2013 following another domestic violence incident, where he allegedly slapped a woman with an open hand.

Finally, the Colts kicked Rainey to the curb this summer for violating team rules. In the wake of national outrage directed toward Ray Rice and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, he's the last player you expect a team to sign, practice squad or not."

And then there's D-Wash. And even Fitz had an incident that got buried:

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Larry-Fitzger ... Blog-18597

SMH

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:13 am

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:27 am

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:55 am

That's a good question.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:44 pm

Too big a can of worms. Plus Hope Solo would go on TV and crusade her victimhood. She's kind of a minor-league publicity seeker.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:47 pm

Holy moly, Goodell.

That presser was an abomination.

UofAlum05 · Post by **UofAlum05** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:47 pm

Benjy from the Howard Stern show FTW!!

When security grabbed him he began to yell, "Don't take me to the elevator! Anywhere but the elevator!"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... 1.1945978

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:50 pm

JMarkJohns wrote:Holy moly, Goodell.

That presser was an abomination.

I missed it. Anyone care to recap the lowlights?

Wait, let me guess... New policy that changes absolutely nothing?

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:02 pm

Chicat wrote:
JMarkJohns wrote:Holy moly, Goodell.

That presser was an abomination.
I missed it. Anyone care to recap the lowlights?

Wait, let me guess... New policy that changes absolutely nothing?

He's sorry.
He messed up.
Blames outdated policy for initial punishment.
Said not right expertise hired over matter.
Said he's sorry.
Said he didn't know ______________ ...
Said he has a job to do.
Said he's updating policy.
Said he's hiring new committee members.
Said "you're wrong" to those questioning too much of him.
Said "next" to anyone asking for specifics, timetables.
Said fuck off (well, effectively) to those who question him, or his ignorance is now an excuse defense.
Said he didn't do enough.
Said he needs to do more.
Inferred "I made a mistake, but at least I punished Rice."
Said so much he said nothing much at all.
Said he will not step down.
Said nothing of his own accountsbility.

Truly horrible.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:03 pm

And yet, nothing is immediate in any change.

Said Super Bowl the earliest.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:07 pm

You think there's a manual somewhere he cribbed all his answers out of?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:18 pm

I didn't see it, but this seems to be the overall reaction(correct me if I'm wrong if you watched):

He said he was taking responsibility, then proceeded to spend the remainder of the press conference not taking any sort of responsibility.

It's the exact issue he always has. He says a PR savvy thing that is completely not reflected in any action. Like the time he pledged to respond to the head trauma claims of ex players, then proposed adding two games to the schedule.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:20 pm

I was at a bar and the bartender predicted Goodell would step down.

I literally laughed in his face.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:03 pm

Chicat wrote:I was at a bar and the bartender predicted Goodell would step down.

I literally laughed in his face.

I don't think you can be as out of touch as Goodell and not have a massive inability to see when it's time to cash it in. Caesar/Brutus is the endgame.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:23 pm

ESPN reporting John Harbaugh wanted to cut him but owner and GM Ozzie Newsome said no.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:11 pm

There is no place to hide. Truly independent investigators will uncover every shred of knowledge or willful ignorance in this, and reporters will continue to hound, and networks will continue to bring to light every sordid detail, because what Goodell, every NFL owner fails to realize is in America, the only story more popular than greatness is a fall from grace, and when you're the biggest trophy game on the trail, everyone with a rifle first wants to take its shots, then take you outand display your John The Decapitated bust on a silver platter for all to see.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:09 pm

JMarkJohns wrote:There is no place to hide. Truly independent investigators will uncover every shred of knowledge or willful ignorance in this, and reporters will continue to hound, and networks will continue to bring to light every sordid detail, because what Goodell, every NFL owner fails to realize is in America, the only story more popular than greatness is a fall from grace, and when you're the biggest trophy game on the trail, everyone with a rifle first wants to take its shots, then take you outand display your John The Decapitated bust on a silver platter for all to see.

Can't wait for the 20 for 20 documentary, "The Rise & Fall of the NFL".

SCCat · Post by **SCCat** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:08 pm

Chicat wrote: Can't wait for the 20 for 20 documentary, "The Rise & Fall of the NFL".

Here's OTL and step by step it paints a pretty horrible picture on all levels.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... oodell-nfl

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:32 pm

They'll wait to come up with some bs explanations.

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