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Jwsisliving wrote:Most of us lurkers have come here to find out some news, not to hear that you agree with a Bruins fan.
No one gives a fuck what you want.
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I'm going to make it my mission in life that when his time comes, I'm going to teabag Dick Vitale's corpse.

RIP with the taste of my hairy wrinkled nutsack in your mouth.
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gumby wrote:Here’s what coach Bruce Pearl said:
“Let me just say up front my only comments on this matter are twofold.”
Pearl goes on to say that he agrees with the statement issued by the university and that the alleged conduct is unacceptable.
Pearl says this team “has a chance to compete for the tournament,” and it’s “time to start basketball practice.”
On day-to-day operations: “Again, our focus is the players. Our focus is practice and practice plans.” Drop-back defense, rebounding, transition are areas the team has struggled with the most. Pearl has spent a lot of time there himself recently and will be heavily involved in Person’s absence.
On whether or not he will hire an assistant coach: “I’m probably not going to make any more comments on that at this time.”
All players will practice today.
“Practice starts today and our kids are excited about it. We’re good to go.”
On two players involved in the complaint: “I can’t and I won’t have any further comment.”
On his job security: “Again, I can’t and I won’t have any further comments.”
“I stand by the university statement and the conduct alleged is unacceptable.”
Auburn is in discussions about promoting someone to the assistant coach.
“I feel really confident in our players… we’re healthy. We’re going into the season completely healthy.”
“I feel as confident going into the season as any season I ever have,” says Pearl.
On whether someone from the university advised him on how to respond: “…I don’t have anymore comments.”
Pearl says he has no further comments on whether or not he’s spoken to Austin Wiley’s mother Vicki Orr or Danjel Purifoy’s mother (both are two players who are thought to be involved in the complaint).
On the violation of trust: “We try to maintain good communication with our families and recruits…”
Pearl ends the press conference saying he will answer questions regarding the start of basketball practice and will refrain from commenting on the allegations involving Chuck Person and players implicated in the complaint from the federal government.
Rinse, repeat for the others, I would imagine.

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ODogg, my enemy, my friend...

First, welcome back.

Next, you seem to be implying that Miller may not be responsible for the actions of his employee. If this turns out to be a one-off, then I'm with you. However, if it is a normal state of affairs in the program, then he is responsible for the culture of his program. Obviously I hope it is the former, but the calls of some fans to 'jump in the foxhole' to defend Miller are pretty despicable at this point, dontcha think? God knows I'd like to defend Miller, but this is a shitty, shitty state of affairs just now.

Anyway, it sucks that you're back around just at this particular point. Makes me long for the old zone defense fights... I hope you're doing okay otherwise.
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This is an excellent post.
Harvey Specter wrote:People suggesting Miller should be let go right now are misguided and foolish on every level. And we should not confuse what we think we know (and might even believe) with due process, facts, & evidence.

I don't care whether you prioritize winning, program reputation, public perception, or 'Doing the Right Thing'. Nothing has been released (let alone proven) in the public domain that suggests he is directly implicated in any wrongdoing; he has responsibility for his staff, but if every person who had someone under their watch do something wrong... NOBODY would have a job.

And you are not going to find a guy with his profile who has had a cleaner track record & reputation up to this point. Cutting a guy lose at the first whiff of serious trouble for (as far as I know) 25+ years into coaching? Who in the hell that is worth a shit (or half a brain) would EVER come to coach here.

The things to do right now are investigation, risk analysis, and damage control. To that latter point, I think Miller needs to emerge from the curtain. I suspect there are questions he will be asked (not directly related to the case at hand) which he does not want to answer. I understand that, but those are inevitable... and he cannot stay in iding forever.

Any hopes that bigger fish to fry might emerge in any near-term timeframe are insanely naive. Shit like this NEVER happens fast. EVER.
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Everyone needs a hug. It's been a long week (well...11 months really...since Trump was elected).
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Chicat wrote:This is an excellent post.
Harvey Specter wrote:People suggesting Miller should be let go right now are misguided and foolish on every level. And we should not confuse what we think we know (and might even believe) with due process, facts, & evidence.

I don't care whether you prioritize winning, program reputation, public perception, or 'Doing the Right Thing'. Nothing has been released (let alone proven) in the public domain that suggests he is directly implicated in any wrongdoing; he has responsibility for his staff, but if every person who had someone under their watch do something wrong... NOBODY would have a job.

And you are not going to find a guy with his profile who has had a cleaner track record & reputation up to this point. Cutting a guy lose at the first whiff of serious trouble for (as far as I know) 25+ years into coaching? Who in the hell that is worth a shit (or half a brain) would EVER come to coach here.

The things to do right now are investigation, risk analysis, and damage control. To that latter point, I think Miller needs to emerge from the curtain. I suspect there are questions he will be asked (not directly related to the case at hand) which he does not want to answer. I understand that, but those are inevitable... and he cannot stay in iding forever.

Any hopes that bigger fish to fry might emerge in any near-term timeframe are insanely naive. Shit like this NEVER happens fast. EVER.
Seriously. Who the hell want Miller to be fired right now? Apologies, hard to keep up with this thread...
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My efficiency through my work day has dropped like a stone into the ocean this week.

I feel like I'm on ICU watch for the program I love.

I hope dick vitale never hopes to set foot in mckale or an Arizona tourney game ever again. Hypocritical douche

Need new news soon...
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Yeah I'm just burnt out on this and all the other shit filled news around us lately.
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CalStateTempe wrote:My efficiency through my work day has dropped like a stone into the ocean this week.

I feel like I'm on ICU watch for the program I love.

I hope dick vitale never hopes to set foot in mckale or an Arizona tourney game ever again. Hypocritical douche

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Didn't even blow any kisses to Vitale. He comes a legal battle.
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Pitino, lol. Poor, persecuted victim!
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Add props to Harvey's post. "Fire Miller" is a bit of a phantom. Think the controversies now are:

1. Should he speak?

2. Should "paid" player or players be rooted out, or "fuck it, let's win natty, then burn in hell." (as it were).
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scumdevils86 wrote:Everyone needs a hug. It's been a long week (well...11 months really...since Trump was elected).
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Tom Price is out. Damn, this thing is EVERYWHERE!

(Oh chill, it's just a joke)
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The irony of this investigation is really starting to set in consider it this way...

The FBI is basically claiming that the University of Louisville is a victim here because a top recruit got outside money and that his scholarship was inappropriate because he now is not eligible for financial aid...

The indictment and statement by the FBI is basically that these schools are ALL victims because the top recruits somehow got money and should not be getting a scholarship...

Lets play that back in real world talk...

Mr. FBI agent you're telling me that a university that will/has made millions and millions from the athletic ability of star recruits is now victim of those recruits for a few 100k???

This is the claim being made by the Feds...the universities are the victims...a multi-billion dollar shoe industry has already made up any loss because they are wearing their shoes when they play and the university pocketed the change...

The feds side of this stinks to high heaven as far as I'm concerned...what business does the fed have in enforcing state colleges possible loss of scholarship $, it's not like they've lost a lot, there's already recoup in place from the minute the recruit steps on campus...

This really comes down to people not paying in NCAA bucks and using Adidas bucks instead that were not first laundered through the university...
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Puerco wrote:Pitino, lol. Poor, persecuted victim!
Spiffs Pitino statement from above wasn't too far off! :lol:
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CatFanOneMil wrote:The irony of this investigation is really starting to set in consider it this way...

The FBI is basically claiming that the University of Louisville is a victim here because a top recruit got outside money and that his scholarship was inappropriate because he now is not eligible for financial aid...

The indictment and statement by the FBI is basically that these schools are ALL victims because the top recruits somehow got money and should not be getting a scholarship...

Lets play that back in real world talk...

Mr. FBI agent you're telling me that a university that will/has made millions and millions from the athletic ability of star recruits is now victim of those recruits for a few 100k???

This is the claim being made by the Feds...the universities are the victims...a multi-billion dollar shoe industry has already made up any loss because they are wearing their shoes when they play and the university pocketed the change...

The feds side of this stinks to high heaven as far as I'm concerned...what business does the fed have in enforcing state colleges possible loss of scholarship $, it's not like they've lost a lot, there's already recoup in place from the minute the recruit steps on campus...

This really comes down to people not paying in NCAA bucks and using Adidas bucks instead that were not first laundered through the university...
Wha...? The FBI is saying that by bribing players, the coaches were defrauding their employers because their bribes immediately make the players ineligible. That's it. Simple argument. Ironclad. All the other stuff is made up by you.
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Bilas was on local radio in Phoenix today and made some very compelling points about the harsh concept of the lack of institutional control by head coaches, particularly in Miller's case, assuming he truly was not involved with anything (and at this point, there is no viable, credible evidence suggesting Miller is involved). Bilas said it is impossible for head coaches to know everything that goes on with their assistants; they cannot possibly know who they interact with 24/7. They don't share every meal, they don't live together, they don't check phone records, they don't check financial records. If Book did something on the side, it seems unreasonable to hold Miller accountable for Book's actions. He said, it isn't as if every parent out there is aware of what their kids are doing. Sometimes people close to others surprise them and let them down. He thinks highly of Miller and does not suspect he has involvement -- he said he would change his point of view if and when credible evidence was presented to suggest otherwise. He also said the issues/acts at the root of this investigation have been well-known for a long time throughout the basketball world.

If this was happening to Duke, you can bet with 100% certainty Vitale would be defending Coach K, and separating the actions of K's assistants. Vitale has become such a joke. He is a cheerleader for a just a select few coaches and programs, and has no ability to hide his bias.
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Chicat wrote:This is an excellent post.
Harvey Specter wrote:People suggesting Miller should be let go right now are misguided and foolish on every level. And we should not confuse what we think we know (and might even believe) with due process, facts, & evidence.

I don't care whether you prioritize winning, program reputation, public perception, or 'Doing the Right Thing'. Nothing has been released (let alone proven) in the public domain that suggests he is directly implicated in any wrongdoing; he has responsibility for his staff, but if every person who had someone under their watch do something wrong... NOBODY would have a job.

And you are not going to find a guy with his profile who has had a cleaner track record & reputation up to this point. Cutting a guy lose at the first whiff of serious trouble for (as far as I know) 25+ years into coaching? Who in the hell that is worth a shit (or half a brain) would EVER come to coach here.

The things to do right now are investigation, risk analysis, and damage control. To that latter point, I think Miller needs to emerge from the curtain. I suspect there are questions he will be asked (not directly related to the case at hand) which he does not want to answer. I understand that, but those are inevitable... and he cannot stay in iding forever.

Any hopes that bigger fish to fry might emerge in any near-term timeframe are insanely naive. Shit like this NEVER happens fast. EVER.
Yes, excellent post ... however, I am confident Miller and Dr. Robbins are smart guys, and are being advised by other smart guys. So, I wouldn't second guess the timing of when Miller (or Heeke, or Dr. Robbins for that matter) should emerge from the curtain. They will emerge when it's smart to do so. Be patient.

Also, as evidenced by Miller's handling of Zo's suspension, he knows how not to answer questions he doesn't want to answer, and how to elaborate eloquently where he wants to. The man is a pro. I'm not worried about how the issue is being handled.
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Puerco wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:The irony of this investigation is really starting to set in consider it this way...

The FBI is basically claiming that the University of Louisville is a victim here because a top recruit got outside money and that his scholarship was inappropriate because he now is not eligible for financial aid...

The indictment and statement by the FBI is basically that these schools are ALL victims because the top recruits somehow got money and should not be getting a scholarship...

Lets play that back in real world talk...

Mr. FBI agent you're telling me that a university that will/has made millions and millions from the athletic ability of star recruits is now victim of those recruits for a few 100k???

This is the claim being made by the Feds...the universities are the victims...a multi-billion dollar shoe industry has already made up any loss because they are wearing their shoes when they play and the university pocketed the change...

The feds side of this stinks to high heaven as far as I'm concerned...what business does the fed have in enforcing state colleges possible loss of scholarship $, it's not like they've lost a lot, there's already recoup in place from the minute the recruit steps on campus...

This really comes down to people not paying in NCAA bucks and using Adidas bucks instead that were not first laundered through the university...
Wha...? The FBI is saying that by bribing players, the coaches were defrauding their employers because their bribes immediately make the players ineligible. That's it. Simple argument. Ironclad. All the other stuff is made up by you.
Maybe you should look up the definition of irony, which is what I led my post by...of course its made up its sarcasm...sheesh
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Puerco wrote:ODogg, my enemy, my friend...

First, welcome back.

Next, you seem to be implying that Miller may not be responsible for the actions of his employee. If this turns out to be a one-off, then I'm with you. However, if it is a normal state of affairs in the program, then he is responsible for the culture of his program. Obviously I hope it is the former, but the calls of some fans to 'jump in the foxhole' to defend Miller are pretty despicable at this point, dontcha think? God knows I'd like to defend Miller, but this is a shitty, shitty state of affairs just now.

Anyway, it sucks that you're back around just at this particular point. Makes me long for the old zone defense fights... I hope you're doing okay otherwise.
Puerco. I’m fine, not happy to be here, but fine. Hope you are as well.

I don’t know what I’m supposed to defend or not defend from Miller. Last I checked he hasn’t been accused of anything from anybody, Outside of message boards and Internet posts.

I get that people Want answers. That takes time and no answers are going to come from Miller or anybody else at the UA.

Miller is a damn fine coach...that’s not debatable to me. I just don’t get the clamor to fire somebody when nothing concrete is there and nothing has been proven.

If and when that day comes, we can revisit this...
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I made the mistake of checking Twitter. Saw some OSU kid talking shit and saying we should refund tickets and apologize to Pac12 schools. Saw some other stupid shit. I really hope this team rallies internally, and comes out and destroys every Pac12 team we play and carry it through to the tournament. A real f*ck the world attitude. Let's get that undefeated season we should have had in 2014.
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Agreed PRH, just lay waste to every opponent. Run up the score and take no prisoners ( no pun intended). US Against the world. I am ready
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prh wrote:I made the mistake of checking Twitter. Saw some OSU kid talking shit and saying we should refund tickets and apologize to Pac12 schools. Saw some other stupid shit. I really hope this team rallies internally, and comes out and destroys every Pac12 team we play and carry it through to the tournament. A real f*ck the world attitude. Let's get that undefeated season we should have had in 2014.
Yeah I always thought the whole "Back the Pac" motto was bullshit and always laughed whenever people tried to support other Pac 12 during the dance. And when the fuck did Utah fans grow balls all of a sudden?
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Yeah we arnt a big 10 school or sec school. They has a real weird incestuous love affair with each other's programs in those conferences
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NYCat wrote::lol:
5 MINUTES APART
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Jwsisliving wrote:
Puerco wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:Bosy Billups' comments on this make my skin crawl, but not nearly as much as Dick Vitale's do. What an embarrassment that guy is. Whom does he think he is fooling?
Oh, for fuck's sake... I find myself ageeing with Bruins now?
Most of us lurkers have come here to find out some news, not to hear that you agree with a Bruins fan.
I just wanted to add this post for some reason

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midnightx wrote:Bilas was on local radio in Phoenix today and made some very compelling points about the harsh concept of the lack of institutional control by head coaches, particularly in Miller's case, assuming he truly was not involved with anything (and at this point, there is no viable, credible evidence suggesting Miller is involved). Bilas said it is impossible for head coaches to know everything that goes on with their assistants; they cannot possibly know who they interact with 24/7. They don't share every meal, they don't live together, they don't check phone records, they don't check financial records. If Book did something on the side, it seems unreasonable to hold Miller accountable for Book's actions. He said, it isn't as if every parent out there is aware of what their kids are doing. Sometimes people close to others surprise them and let them down. He thinks highly of Miller and does not suspect he has involvement -- he said he would change his point of view if and when credible evidence was presented to suggest otherwise. He also said the issues/acts at the root of this investigation have been well-known for a long time throughout the basketball world.

If this was happening to Duke, you can bet with 100% certainty Vitale would be defending Coach K, and separating the actions of K's assistants. Vitale has become such a joke. He is a cheerleader for a just a select few coaches and programs, and has no ability to hide his bias.
I'll put it this way:

If you start with the idea that Miller didn't authorize Book to start hitting up Sood and Dawkins, look at the investigation the FBI had to do to catch him. Multiple informants, wiretaps and surveillance. If Miller didn't know, it's sort of ludicrous to expect a school to have the level of institutional control with anything close to that level of investigation. Miller and Arizona can't do interstate wiretaps even if they think Book might be suspect.

This changes if you think Miller gave Book the go ahead. Right now, there's no evidence of that, but facts are obviously developing and no one knows the outcome.

The complexity and difficulty of the FBI's investigation is a useful comparison point for the concept that institutional control is not as easy as presumed.
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The pac12 tourny this yr should be fun. I cant wait to come across some Utah fans talkin shit. Hopefully we give them a 30+ point beatdown.
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prh wrote:I made the mistake of checking Twitter. Saw some OSU kid talking shit and saying we should refund tickets and apologize to Pac12 schools. Saw some other stupid shit. I really hope this team rallies internally, and comes out and destroys every Pac12 team we play and carry it through to the tournament. A real f*ck the world attitude. Let's get that undefeated season we should have had in 2014.
Which OSU?

Ohio State better not be talking. They got a FB postseason ban in the last decade and have to be concerned in this one.
Ok. State is directly implicated by the FBI.
Oregon State...well, it isn't our fault that there's no amount of money you can give a kid to go play in Corvallis.
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midnightx wrote:Bilas was on local radio in Phoenix today and made some very compelling points about the harsh concept of the lack of institutional control by head coaches, particularly in Miller's case, assuming he truly was not involved with anything (and at this point, there is no viable, credible evidence suggesting Miller is involved). Bilas said it is impossible for head coaches to know everything that goes on with their assistants; they cannot possibly know who they interact with 24/7. They don't share every meal, they don't live together, they don't check phone records, they don't check financial records. If Book did something on the side, it seems unreasonable to hold Miller accountable for Book's actions. He said, it isn't as if every parent out there is aware of what their kids are doing. Sometimes people close to others surprise them and let them down. He thinks highly of Miller and does not suspect he has involvement -- he said he would change his point of view if and when credible evidence was presented to suggest otherwise. He also said the issues/acts at the root of this investigation have been well-known for a long time throughout the basketball world.

If this was happening to Duke, you can bet with 100% certainty Vitale would be defending Coach K, and separating the actions of K's assistants. Vitale has become such a joke. He is a cheerleader for a just a select few coaches and programs, and has no ability to hide his bias.
I'll put it this way:

If you start with the idea that Miller didn't authorize Book to start hitting up Sood and Dawkins, look at the investigation the FBI had to do to catch him. Multiple informants, wiretaps and surveillance. If Miller didn't know, it's sort of ludicrous to expect a school to have the level of institutional control with anything close to that level of investigation. Miller and Arizona can't do interstate wiretaps even if they think Book might be suspect.

This changes if you think Miller gave Book the go ahead. Right now, there's no evidence of that, but facts are obviously developing and no one knows the outcome.

The complexity and difficulty of the FBI's investigation is a useful comparison point for the concept that institutional control is not as easy as presumed.
Always the intelligent response, appreciate it...

People have no idea how much work goes into a simple wire tap subpoena request...it has to meet very stringent criteria and then be approved by a judge...and this is what is required by a law enforcement division of the federal government with more money than God...a head coach is supposed to know every in and out of his assistants activity? As much of a control freak as I think Miller is, this would still require draconian micro-management that borders on evil genius and if your gonna be an evil genius you're definitely not hiring Book...unless you need a fall guy who is to dumb to know he fell...either way Millers either innocent or an evil genius...
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Why does Corvallis suck so bad? It's practically a suburb of Beaverton/Portland, it can't be that bad, can it?
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OSUCat wrote:Just checking in, Arizona still has a basketball program?
We're going to win the national title this year.

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CalStateTempe wrote:Why does Corvallis suck so bad? It's practically a suburb of Beaverton/Portland, it can't be that bad, can it?

86 miles from Portland. Closer to Eugene (48 miles)
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CalStateTempe wrote:Why does Corvallis suck so bad? It's practically a suburb of Beaverton/Portland, it can't be that bad, can it?
That's one heck of a suburban map.

Maybe a suburb of Salem.

Which is part of the issue. I suppose.

I was shocked the first time I dropped into Corvallis just how...country...it was. The campus is nice, and it's a cute campus area. But, wow...I was amazed at the drive over there.
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Beachcat97 wrote:If anyone has ever wondered -- and I'm sure many have -- why UCLA receives my most fervent scorn, it's because Russ Smith is strongly representative of their fan base. They're practically jubilant this week. Eager to bury our guy and then loot the stores of recruits left behind. It's sickening. And I was surrounded by this sentiment during my years in Westwood.

Free Miller! BTFD!!
Acutally we're on UCLA boards talking about how soon something comes up on UCLA and how bad it might be.

if I were gloating jubilantly you'd know it. I was just pointing out in a thread now nearly 40 pages I appear to have been the first person to have brought up Pasternack is mentioned in the report too. Pascoe mentioned it, otherwise I haven't seen anybody Arizona related mention it.

It's very difficult for a control freak coach like Sean Miller to claim Book was a rogue coach, especially when his associate head coach was in the process of getting involved with the same guys, when he got the UCSB job. Sean Miller controls every detail of his program, the only reason he didn't fire Book before is Book got players. If people here and elsewhere knew Book was taking money from PGU to get recruiting information surely Miller knew too, but he still didnt' fire Book because he wanted those players. It makes it harder to now claim hey I had no idea this guy was doing anything wrong he went rogue.

Also, to believe that the FBI tipped off Miller and he backed off Walker and Bowen, I have to believe that Miller was tipped off nearly a year ago. Walker committed to Miami in Nov 2016, so even if Miller was told in November that means he's known for 10 months. Every school and the NCAA that have publicly commented on this said they found out the same day, yet somehow I'm just supposed to accept that Miller was tipped off 10 months ago and kept it quiet but did nothing to stop Book and let him continue to break rules, pay Quinerly and didn't call up Nike and tell them he wasn't interested in Nassir Little? If' I'm a coach and the FBI contacts me with something like this, I become the cleanest program in history overnight, that clearly didn't happen. I suppose to play out that line of thinking the FBI told him what was going on and told him to continue to act like he always did until they made arrests. That's not typically how these things go, the FBI catches you and then presses you to give up other people, that's what started this whole thing they caught someone doing something else and he started giving out information. Why would they single out Sean Miller to inform him what was going on, were the FBI guys Arizona fans too?

If it comes out later that Miller was in fact tipped off I'll come on here and post an apology, admit I was wrong and be done with it.
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EVCat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Why does Corvallis suck so bad? It's practically a suburb of Beaverton/Portland, it can't be that bad, can it?
That's one heck of a suburban map.

Maybe a suburb of Salem.

Which is part of the issue. I suppose.

I was shocked the first time I dropped into Corvallis just how...country...it was. The campus is nice, and it's a cute campus area. But, wow...I was amazed at the drive over there.
Corvallis sucks. I lived just outside of Salem growing up, until I went to Arizona for school, and I played HS sports all across the state of Oregon. Once you get away from Portland, Oregon is full of small cities/towns, most of which have a country/small town feel to them. Some are pretty cool. Corvallis is not one of those.
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Which OSU?

Ohio State better not be talking. They got a FB postseason ban in the last decade and have to be concerned in this one.
Ok. State is directly implicated by the FBI.
Oregon State...well, it isn't our fault that there's no amount of money you can give a kid to go play in Corvallis.
Oregon State. Just funny since their games are like low level HS games except for when we visit.
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The FBI doesn't tip anyone off, especially in a sting, unless they are part of the sting operation. So either Miller knew and intentionally let Book be setup, or this was a big surprise

PS - Book's phone/texts were tapped, so all digital communication to CSM will be swept up. Promising that nothing on Miller has come out yet

PPS - After a 3 year operation and taps, there has got to be some hilarious shit picked up dealing with these cast of clowns, like pics, videos, etc. talking crap about bosses :lol:
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EVCat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Why does Corvallis suck so bad? It's practically a suburb of Beaverton/Portland, it can't be that bad, can it?
That's one heck of a suburban map.

Maybe a suburb of Salem.

Which is part of the issue. I suppose.

I was shocked the first time I dropped into Corvallis just how...country...it was. The campus is nice, and it's a cute campus area. But, wow...I was amazed at the drive over there.
Welp, missed on that one. I've always just blown by Corvallis because Portland is relatively so close when driving from NorCal. Never stopped and always thought it was close, but yeah not close at all.
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As I think about it I think a lot of this started shaking out when Miller hired Romar...think about it from Books position (or even Pasternak if you're a UCLA fan and believe your own shit smells like flowers)...

You're an assistant to one of the premier programs in the country, certainly in the West for sure and that program just brought in a heavy hitter for west coast recruiting with boatloads more talent and experience than you...your ceiling just got about 6'8" lower...your only option now is to be a recruiting superman, problem is you're now competing against TWO head coaches on staff...what to do what to do?

Pad the resume...get some coin to ease the transition that is inevitably coming since its obvious you are never going to be a head coach, hell the fat white kid just landed a job before you...

It's pretty easy to see that the Adidas path for Book was an exit strategy, no way he's thinking he's going to displace Nike here...
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I get that feel every time I drive around Oregon prh. Lot of quaint little places and spots that are cool in their own right where you can do your thing.

I was amazed/shocked how many trump signs and bumper stickers I saw everywhere except Portland during my 8day Oregon road trip last year before the election.


Um wasn't the sting operation already in motion by the time romar was fired, and subsequently interviewed and hired by Arizona?
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CalStateTempe wrote:I get that feel every time I drive around Oregon prh. Lot of quaint little places and spots that are cool in their own right where you can do your thing.

I was amazed/shocked how many trump signs and bumper stickers I saw everywhere except Portland during my 8day Oregon road trip last year before the election.


Um wasn't the sting operation already in motion by the time romar was fired, and subsequently interviewed and hired by Arizona?
"The Sting operation" encapsulates a very broad program that STARTED in 2015...almost all the stuff I am seeing on Book was this year...its hard to say because we are not given the exact timeline of events or if we are we don't know for sure how long it took that event to be captured...I'm thinking Book is the new kid on the crime block...I could be wrong.

It seems like there is a mention of a party/event in Vegas that I assume is the PAc12 Larry Scott pony show

The actual complaint filed against Book says "In or about 2016 leading up to Sept. 2017"
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Dosia wrote:The pac12 tourny this yr should be fun. I cant wait to come across some Utah fans talkin shit. Hopefully we give them a 30+ point beatdown.
Ute fans were insufferable at the football game last week. Can't imagine how annoying they will be now.
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Student sections should be revved up with material. by tourney time our kids should think that is a cake walk
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Book met with the agent and undercover in vegas at the PAC 12 tourney. This is before romar was fired. The timeline has been established in this thread previously, no need to rehash here.
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Mod note: I merged NM's thread into this one, as this is where it belongs.
It's long past time to bring this back to the court, let's do it with a small update:

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